any1 think roll-over is better than Fair&Flex? read this...
i have a simple mathematical exercise that i beleive will definitively prove that Fair&Flex is a better value than rollover:
let's say person A has cingy...450 minutes/mt for $39/mt
person B has sprint...300 minutes/mt for $30/mt
person A and person B both use 400 minutes/mt for the first six months on their plan, then, during the seventh month, *they have a death in the family* or *they go on vacation*, and they each use like 1250 minutes
month 1 - 400 minutes used
person A rolls 50 minutes over, pays $39
person B gets billed $5 for 100 extra minutes, pays $35
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total paid so far
A = $39
B = $35
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month 2 - 400 minutes used
A rolls-over another 50, has 100 saved, pays $39
B repeats month 1, pays $35
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let's say person A has cingy...450 minutes/mt for $39/mt
person B has sprint...300 minutes/mt for $30/mt
person A and person B both use 400 minutes/mt for the first six months on their plan, then, during the seventh month, *they have a death in the family* or *they go on vacation*, and they each use like 1250 minutes
month 1 - 400 minutes used
person A rolls 50 minutes over, pays $39
person B gets billed $5 for 100 extra minutes, pays $35
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total paid so far
A = $39
B = $35
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month 2 - 400 minutes used
A rolls-over another 50, has 100 saved, pays $39
B repeats month 1, pays $35
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verizon ending prorations is even less money.
month 1 - 39
month 2 - 39
month 3 - 39
month 4 - 39
month 5 - 39
month 6 - 39
month 7 - 79
total - 313
month 1 - 39
month 2 - 39
month 3 - 39
month 4 - 39
month 5 - 39
month 6 - 39
month 7 - 79
total - 313
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LanceUppercut said:
verizon ending prorations is even less money.
month 1 - 39
month 2 - 39
month 3 - 39
month 4 - 39
month 5 - 39
month 6 - 39
month 7 - 79
total - 313
Actually you missed the Month 7 example. In phonerboi74's example, month 7 1250 minutes were used. Verizon's $39 plan includes 450 minutes. So this customer would have 800 minutes of overage on Verizon's plan @ $0.45 per minute would be would be $360 extra š² ...so F&F still wins.
The only way your figures would work is if said customer called before month 7 was over and requested a higher plan. If they didn't, they'd have $360 in overage charges versus $40 for the extra 800 minutes on F&F.
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no actually he is correct for $79 you get 1350 minutes with Verizon so the customer had 100 to spareverizon does not have prorations anymoe so if the customer goes way over their minutes they can change their rate plan to a higher one and not get charged any overages
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Sure, I'm not discounting that, but the customer would have to make sure they call before the end of his billing cycle (may not be that easy in emergency situations) and renew the contract. It may be a few dollars less, but it's a lot bigger headache with Verizon.
The customer on the verizon example started with the 450 minute plan for $39. This is how the figure was given that Verizon was cheaper. If they had the $79 plan all along, it would be MUCH more expensive.
So as I said, for Verizon to be cheaper, it would require a call to Verizon customer service before the billing cycle ends AND a renewal their contract. If the customer doesn't catch the overage before the end of the cycle, they'd be looking at $360 in overage charges. ...
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The customer on the verizon example started with the 450 minute plan for $39. This is how the figure was given that Verizon was cheaper. If they had the $79 plan all along, it would be MUCH more expensive.
So as I said, for Verizon to be cheaper, it would require a call to Verizon customer service before the billing cycle ends AND a renewal their contract. If the customer doesn't catch the overage before the end of the cycle, they'd be looking at $360 in overage charges. ...
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OMG... š LOL do u really think a customer would think to make a mid cycle plan change to avoid overage???? NOOOOOO
Most is not ALL teh customers I speak to would never think that...HAHHAHA that's funny!!!!! š¤£ š¤£
Most is not ALL teh customers I speak to would never think that...HAHHAHA that's funny!!!!! š¤£ š¤£
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i didn't miss anything. verizon will now allow you to backdate your calling plan so if you check your minutes and you see you've used 1300, you can call and change to a 1350 plan and not pay ANY overages.
keep up.
keep up.
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okay, so vzw will allow you to backdate your rate plan change...BIG WHOOP!!...you still have the worry of minute usage and overage charges...with sprint, you can worry and check if you want to, but i just rest assured that any overage minutes i use cost exactly the same as the minutes that are included in my plan...
300 mins for $30/mt = $0.10/min
100 extra mins for $5 = $0.05/min
overage beyond 500 = $0.10/min
so actually i am rewarded for going ONLY A LITTLE over, but if i go WAY over i still have nothing to worry about
plus, wasn't this thread originally created to compare F&F to rollover? how did vzw get involved? anyway, it beats even VZW!! way to go F&F!!
300 mins for $30/mt = $0.10/min
100 extra mins for $5 = $0.05/min
overage beyond 500 = $0.10/min
so actually i am rewarded for going ONLY A LITTLE over, but if i go WAY over i still have nothing to worry about
plus, wasn't this thread originally created to compare F&F to rollover? how did vzw get involved? anyway, it beats even VZW!! way to go F&F!!
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i didn't say vzw's didn't require a little responsiblity (but you make it sound like checking your minutes is as much of a haslle as the dentist). i said it cost less (which it does).
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you refer to checking minute usage and calling cs to change your rate plan as actions that are expected from a responsible wireless user...
i concede, and agree, and any sprint cust is welcome to do that!
my point is that they don't have to, b/c they were respponsible enuf when they signed their contract to cover the inevitability of overages...
vzw may cost less IF (AND ONLY IF) the cust checks their minute usage on a monthly basis...sprint cust's displayed that level of responsibility before they signed their contract! no need to worry, no need to check, just pay for the minutes that you use...
FAIR&FLEX IS POST-PAID PAYG!
i concede, and agree, and any sprint cust is welcome to do that!
my point is that they don't have to, b/c they were respponsible enuf when they signed their contract to cover the inevitability of overages...
vzw may cost less IF (AND ONLY IF) the cust checks their minute usage on a monthly basis...sprint cust's displayed that level of responsibility before they signed their contract! no need to worry, no need to check, just pay for the minutes that you use...
FAIR&FLEX IS POST-PAID PAYG!
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But you're leaving out the requirement for a contract renewal AND a required call to customer care (in the case of something like a death in the family, calling Verizon is probably the last thing I would be thinking about).
Also said customer would have to make sure they call before the end of their billing cycle otherwise they'd be stuck with $360 in overage.
Also said customer would have to make sure they call before the end of their billing cycle otherwise they'd be stuck with $360 in overage.
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moving from a 450 minute plan to a 1350 minute plan doesn't require a contract renewal.
hope this helps.
hope this helps.
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Not according to any of the Verizon customer care reps I've spoken to.
Here's the bottom line. Fair and Flexible is just that, Fair and Flexible. I have the peace of mind that I don't have to go jumping through hoops to make sure I don't get slammed with high overage charges. I can relax, use my phone as much as I want to and not wory about calling or going into a store (oops, I forgot, Verizon is now charging for this kind of service in stores).
Sure, I can make adjustments to my plan with any wireless company as long as I have the forsight to do so. And if I get a rep that actually cares about customer service, they'll back-date the plan if necissary. It's just that this is all avoidable and not that much more expensive with F...
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Here's the bottom line. Fair and Flexible is just that, Fair and Flexible. I have the peace of mind that I don't have to go jumping through hoops to make sure I don't get slammed with high overage charges. I can relax, use my phone as much as I want to and not wory about calling or going into a store (oops, I forgot, Verizon is now charging for this kind of service in stores).
Sure, I can make adjustments to my plan with any wireless company as long as I have the forsight to do so. And if I get a rep that actually cares about customer service, they'll back-date the plan if necissary. It's just that this is all avoidable and not that much more expensive with F...
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actually, it's all avoidable AND cheaper with F&F...
FAIR&FLEX IS POST-PAID PAYG!
i think i might make that my signature...
FAIR&FLEX IS POST-PAID PAYG!
i think i might make that my signature...
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1.) pressing #MIN towards the end of your billing cycle is hardly "having to worry"
2.) i work for verizon. changing your plan doesn't extend your contract. accepting a new promotion does, but if you're just moving up in minutes, it doesn't extend it.
3.) the two sprint fanboys in here sound like the cingular reps who like to tell customers that verizon's network is "mostly analog".
4.) i guess you can be happy you can "relax and use your phone as much as you want to" and pay $40 more for the month (in the example used).
the fair and flexible plan is more convenient for the customer. i never said it wasn't, so i'm having a ball watching the two of you harp on this subject. but you're paying for that convenience. i mentioned ...
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2.) i work for verizon. changing your plan doesn't extend your contract. accepting a new promotion does, but if you're just moving up in minutes, it doesn't extend it.
3.) the two sprint fanboys in here sound like the cingular reps who like to tell customers that verizon's network is "mostly analog".
4.) i guess you can be happy you can "relax and use your phone as much as you want to" and pay $40 more for the month (in the example used).
the fair and flexible plan is more convenient for the customer. i never said it wasn't, so i'm having a ball watching the two of you harp on this subject. but you're paying for that convenience. i mentioned ...
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LanceUppercut said:
1.) pressing #MIN towards the end of your billing cycle is hardly "having to worry"
Okā¦.In the real world, many customerās donāt check their minutes. A sprint customer can do the same. As can ANY wireless carrierās customer. Donāt see a Verizon benefit hereā¦
2.) i work for verizon. changing your plan doesn't extend your contract. accepting a new promotion does, but if you're just moving up in minutes, it doesn't extend it.
Okā¦if Iām wrong about this, then so are at least 4 Verizon reps that Iāve spoken to personally. Maybe this is a new change of policy since the last time I was a Verizon customer. But it still requires a call to customer service BEF ...
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that's just what we're trying to tell you, we're NOT paying for the convenience, sprint's plan is cheaper WITH the convenience than vzw is EVEN IF the cust *follows through* with the "HOLY CRAP" realization of overage when (and if) they hit #MIN at the end of the month (and even then, they have to worry about the csr actually performing the back-dating of the change CORRECTLY)
not only do sprint cust's not have to worry about hitting #MIN at the end of the month, but we DON'T PAY FOR THAT CONVENIENCE!!
FAIR&FLEX IS POST-PAID PAYG!!
not only do sprint cust's not have to worry about hitting #MIN at the end of the month, but we DON'T PAY FOR THAT CONVENIENCE!!
FAIR&FLEX IS POST-PAID PAYG!!
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btw, will verizon allow you to change your rate plan WITHOUT renewing your contract?
if so, please see BIG WHOOP!!
if not, please see BIG WHOOP!! but also feel beat down...
F&F is definitively the best value in wireless plans!! other companies may have phones that have better features with smaller price tags, but (i don't know why this is, any1 who does please let me know) i have yet to see a sanyo on a line of service from any1 other than sprint, and i say that b/c sanyo's are the best phones in wireless hands down...i feel i should also say that CDMA samsung's are WAY better than GSM samsung's, so BOOYAH!!
sprint
best rate plans (+)
more expensive (but more reliable, higher quality) handsets (-)
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if so, please see BIG WHOOP!!
if not, please see BIG WHOOP!! but also feel beat down...
F&F is definitively the best value in wireless plans!! other companies may have phones that have better features with smaller price tags, but (i don't know why this is, any1 who does please let me know) i have yet to see a sanyo on a line of service from any1 other than sprint, and i say that b/c sanyo's are the best phones in wireless hands down...i feel i should also say that CDMA samsung's are WAY better than GSM samsung's, so BOOYAH!!
sprint
best rate plans (+)
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cingular
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lol, defensive much? i lost you at the third "boyaaa". i'm sure you had a thesis but i lost it in all your exclamation points...
i'm not sure what having a sanyo/not having a sanyo in the lineup has anything to do with this. lets not change the subject here. all i mentioned was that under your example, verizon's offering would cost you less money.
now if you'll excuse me, i'll go feel "beat down" š¤£
i'm not sure what having a sanyo/not having a sanyo in the lineup has anything to do with this. lets not change the subject here. all i mentioned was that under your example, verizon's offering would cost you less money.
now if you'll excuse me, i'll go feel "beat down" š¤£
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i'm sorry, but i have a slightly (okay, very) spasmatic personality, so i get a little cought-up in arguments rather easily...i apologize that my point was lost on you.
what i was trying to say was 2 things:
1. this is a discussion about F&F vs rollover
2. sprint cust's do not pay for the convenience of not having to worry about minute usage
any questions?
what i was trying to say was 2 things:
1. this is a discussion about F&F vs rollover
2. sprint cust's do not pay for the convenience of not having to worry about minute usage
any questions?
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I don't think he get's it. Lance is stuck on the fact that you can change your plan with Verizon and save (just like you can with Sprint, Cingular, Tmobile, or any other carrier you can think of).
I don't blame him. He's just brainwashed by Verizon (since he's employed by them) and thinks that Verizon's the best for EVERYTHING. He doesn't seem willing to admit that every carrier has strengths and weaknesses and that a savvy wireless consumer can do many things to save money.
The argument he's making can be made for ANY company. If one were to call sprint and change to the Mid F&F plan, they'd save even more than your original post. He doesn't understand that you can do this, so he thinks Verizon is superior.
Anyway, Kudos for y...
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I don't blame him. He's just brainwashed by Verizon (since he's employed by them) and thinks that Verizon's the best for EVERYTHING. He doesn't seem willing to admit that every carrier has strengths and weaknesses and that a savvy wireless consumer can do many things to save money.
The argument he's making can be made for ANY company. If one were to call sprint and change to the Mid F&F plan, they'd save even more than your original post. He doesn't understand that you can do this, so he thinks Verizon is superior.
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i agree, and thank you...but i can't take all the credit for my original post...it was actually somathing i thought of while arguing in the "Why Sprint?" thread, and i think i may have posted it there, too...
FAIR&FLEX IS POST-PAID PAYG!
p.s. : maybe i should take credit for it, b/c i haven't seen any1 defend cingy on this issue...guess we can take their silence to mean that they concede that F&F is indeed a better value than rollover...
FAIR&FLEX IS POST-PAID PAYG!
p.s. : maybe i should take credit for it, b/c i haven't seen any1 defend cingy on this issue...guess we can take their silence to mean that they concede that F&F is indeed a better value than rollover...
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I don't think he get's it. Lance is stuck on the fact that you can change your plan with Verizon and save (just like you can with Sprint, Cingular, Tmobile, or any other carrier you can think of).
I don't blame him. He's just brainwashed by Verizon (since he's employed by them) and thinks that Verizon's the best for EVERYTHING. He doesn't seem willing to admit that every carrier has strengths and weaknesses and that a savvy wireless consumer can do many things to save money.
The argument he's making can be made for ANY company. If one were to call sprint and change to the Mid F&F plan, they'd save even more than your original post. He doesn't understand that you can do this, so he thinks Verizon
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further, i wanted to note that in this thread, i merely crunched numbers. you, johall, were the one who brought opinions and emotions to the table. if one of us is brainwashed, it would be you.
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LanceUppercut said:
can you show me where i'm "brainwashed"? all i mentioned was that verizon's worry free guarantee is less expensive than the fair and flexible plan as long as you're a responsible user. never did i say verizon is the best for everything. in fact, i mentioned that fair and flexible while a little more expensive is more convenient for the customer.
āVerizonās worry free guarantee is less expensive than the Fair and Flexible plan.āĀ
Unfortunately this is incorrect. Iām assuming your āWorry free guaranteeāĀ means you can change plans with Verizon. Guess what? You can do that with Sprint too. You can also do that with Cingular, Tmobile, Alltel, etcā¦
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Let's say this customer is on top of his minutes as you show. He calls in every month to check and fixes his plan. In the example above, the customer saved $12 over seven months be doing the verizon thing. However, I work in a sprint store. The average customer doesn't check his minutes, in fact you'd be surprised how many people don't even look at the bill they pay every month. I get customers all the time that have gone over minutes for 3 months or longer before they come in to ask for help, say they didn't know they were going over, or adjust their plan. While I still don't think the F&F works for everyone(especially high minute users), it's pretty hard to argue with the no worry mentality. I love selling it because even customers ...
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I work for a Sprint retailer, and I'm with johall15.......you guys got WAY off the discussion subject by bringing in Verizon. Sprint, like every other carrier I assume, has people left and right asking "do you have rollover minutes?".......F&F was specifically designed, i would think, to market as better than rollover. In a nutshell, if you're with Cingular and you acquire rollover minutes even just a few of times a year your plan is too big and you're spending too much money to begin with. As I explain it to people who ask, I also find that people don't realize that you PAID for the rollover minutes in frequent months, ans I've seen many people who have viewed the rollover minutes as free, since it APPEARS as "more minutes this month for th...
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I was also just told you can only roll over your minutes for 1 year...........after that, BYE BYE! (Oh, and you paid for them already lol)
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that is true, darth, rollover minutes are only valid for one year.
but almost any cingy rep is gonna tell you that by the time your first month's rolled-over minutes are one-twelfth of the way expired, you already have a second month of rolled-over minutes that you can still depend on for the next twelve months.
good marketing ploy : confuse the customer by telling them great things about the plan that quickly get way too complicated for their own good!
but almost any cingy rep is gonna tell you that by the time your first month's rolled-over minutes are one-twelfth of the way expired, you already have a second month of rolled-over minutes that you can still depend on for the next twelve months.
good marketing ploy : confuse the customer by telling them great things about the plan that quickly get way too complicated for their own good!
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Thanks for the great breakdown. I can use this a lot when people ask if we have roll over minutes.
My take on rollover is if you have minutes to roll over, you have to many minutes. If you go over your plan a lot, you have none saved to use.
My take on rollover is if you have minutes to roll over, you have to many minutes. If you go over your plan a lot, you have none saved to use.
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Most cell users choose plan based on their usage:
ie..if i use 500min on average it wouldnt make since to get a 500min plan.
Also by chance if you are that person who uses 500min and gets a 500min plan you never get to benefit from the rollover minutes, because you never save any.
On the flip side if you are a 300 min plan person and you average 150min. You have to wait until that obsure moment to use rolloever minutes.
Fact is people with rollover are paying for a feature they will more than likely never use.
ie..if i use 500min on average it wouldnt make since to get a 500min plan.
Also by chance if you are that person who uses 500min and gets a 500min plan you never get to benefit from the rollover minutes, because you never save any.
On the flip side if you are a 300 min plan person and you average 150min. You have to wait until that obsure moment to use rolloever minutes.
Fact is people with rollover are paying for a feature they will more than likely never use.
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Rate jump.
And btw, your examples are pretty weak. Considering there isn't even a plan with as many minutes as you mention.
And btw, your examples are pretty weak. Considering there isn't even a plan with as many minutes as you mention.
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I don't use tha same amount of minutes each month. My plan has 850 minutes and some months I use a little less, some months I use just about 850, and some months I use a little more. Rollover saves me the stress of counting my minutes all month long to make sure that I dont' go over. Whatever minutes I don't use in one month, I'll most likely use in another and I don't have to give it a thought. I also don't have to pay an extra $5 a month every month I go over. I've never paid an overage charge once in the time that I've been with Cingular.
Rollover works great if you actually use it. I'm sure you have not.
Rollover works great if you actually use it. I'm sure you have not.
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again i said most, key word being most, so your the odd ball. that doesnt make it the industry standard. and u are paying an extra $5 dollars
But lets be real about many people use there cell phones for more than just talking...
Cingular Sprint
Nation 900 w/Rollover Fair & Flexible 1000min
$59.99 $65.00
7pm Nights $7.00 6pm nights $10.00
MEdiaNet $19.99 Vision Prem $10.00
2500 sms $19.99 Unlimited Sms $10.00
total $106.97 total $95.00
what if you need an extra 200min and u are out of rollover?
extra 300min= $120 extra 300= $15.00
But lets be real about many people use there cell phones for more than just talking...
Cingular Sprint
Nation 900 w/Rollover Fair & Flexible 1000min
$59.99 $65.00
7pm Nights $7.00 6pm nights $10.00
MEdiaNet $19.99 Vision Prem $10.00
2500 sms $19.99 Unlimited Sms $10.00
total $106.97 total $95.00
what if you need an extra 200min and u are out of rollover?
extra 300min= $120 extra 300= $15.00
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Most cell users choose plan based on their usage:
ie..if i use 500min on average it wouldnt make since to get a 500min plan.
Also by chance if you are that person who uses 500min and gets a 500min plan you never get to benefit from the rollover minutes, because you never save any.
So if you average 500 minutes, you could be using 450 one month and 550 another month. 450+550=1000 1000/2=500 If you were on a 500 minute plan with rollover, then you're on the perfect plan for yourself because you just saved 50 minutes in overage fees. You didn't have to buy an extra package of minutes, your bill stays exactly the same. Most people make the same amount of money each mo...
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Verizon has the most expensive plans, then Sprint, then Cingular, and T-Mobile has the cheapest plans. Rollover would not work for me because I have 300 minutes a month and I make sure I use them all before I loose them.
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It's been about a year since I've put pen to paper, so I took my own advice and redrew a graph on single nationwide plans. T-mobile is the cheapest (unless you use more than 5200 minutes per month), then Cingular and Verizon have the exact same rate plans so they're they same, and Sprint is at the bottom but only by a little.
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sprint has long been the price leader.
As sprint plans change so does the industry to compensate. This is true for plans as well as phones.
Sprint was first come out with free incoming minutes
First to include long distance
First with night and weekend minutes
first with unlimited minutes
first to offer mobile to mobile(almost 3yrs before cingular or verizon)
sprint changed the market with 3g phones and stylish phones in general.
need i go on?
The point is pricewise everyone is basically the same right now once you factor in usage. Like i said on my last post. if you use 500 min per month
tmobile is 8cts per min
alltel is 9cts per min
sprint is 10cts per min
cingular is 12cts per min
verizon is 12cts pe...
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As sprint plans change so does the industry to compensate. This is true for plans as well as phones.
Sprint was first come out with free incoming minutes
First to include long distance
First with night and weekend minutes
first with unlimited minutes
first to offer mobile to mobile(almost 3yrs before cingular or verizon)
sprint changed the market with 3g phones and stylish phones in general.
need i go on?
The point is pricewise everyone is basically the same right now once you factor in usage. Like i said on my last post. if you use 500 min per month
tmobile is 8cts per min
alltel is 9cts per min
sprint is 10cts per min
cingular is 12cts per min
verizon is 12cts pe...
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So if you average 500 minutes, you could be using 450 one month and 550 another month. 450+550=1000 1000/2=500 If you were on a 500 minute plan with rollover, then you're on the perfect plan for yourself because you just saved 50 minutes in overage fees. You didn't have to buy an extra package of minutes, your bill stays exactly the same. Most people make the same amount of money each month, so staying on a fixed budget is nice....
first of all i'll just use current plans to make my point
example: Assume customer uses 500min per month;
cingular sprintpcs
Nation 900 w/Rollover Fair & Flexible w/700min
$59.99 $50.00If a person only uses 150 minutes a month they
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Well, I put the numbers into Excel and came up with some pretty exciting results. I compared my current family plan with 3 lines and an individual plan (850 min on FT, 450 on the other), with the 1000 FT plan, 4 lines; 1500 FT plan, 4 lines; and the Sprint F&F Family plan. The main reason I did this is because I'm considering switching to sprint and wanted to actually see the numbers and see the graph of them. For someone that uses around all of the minutes on their plan, Sprint has a higher cost, but only by around $5.00. For someone on a 1500 plan and only using 1200 min, they'd only be paying $5 more a month. Now, the numbers may be a bit off, I was looking for a rough estimate and I think it may add an extra $5 1 minute before it's ...
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