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Sprint Nextel sues Vonage on patents

dca

Oct 5, 2005, 8:49 AM
I would be surprised if Sprint wins... This is a poor analogy, but, its kind of like every car company having to pay Ford Motors residuals because Henry Ford built the first car....
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nextel18

Oct 5, 2005, 10:26 AM
they will probably settle it... vonage doesnt really have the money to challenge sprint, even though vonage might do an IPO soon and reclaim it all back.

the thing is, sprint was clear about how many patents were being violated and things of that nature and specific language that is shows that it is impossible to be false. kinda like when qualcomm sues other companies for violating they are so detailed.

the lawyers win anyway..

i am thinking sprint should just buy vonage out.
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texaswireless

Oct 5, 2005, 10:30 AM
And NTP's suit over RIM looked so official as well.

It's hard to say one will win over another because it looks "clear".
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nextel18

Oct 5, 2005, 10:37 AM
well rim and ntp are differnt. why? well becuase it was actually settled for $450 million and then NTP said they wont agree.

"RIM earlier this month rattled investors when it said efforts to finalize a
March agreement that had appeared to settle the long-running patent litigation
with NTP had broken down. RIM has gone to court to seek enforcement of the
agreement, which called for RIM to pay NTP $450 million to settle the dispute.
NTP is arguing the agreement was preliminary and said the two sides disagreed
over final terms. It is also threatening to seek reinstatement of a previous
court order that would shut down BlackBerry sales and service in the U.S.
Neither RIM nor NTP have disclosed specifics of the impasse."



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texaswireless

Oct 5, 2005, 10:41 AM
I'm sorry it confused you. Should I use bigger words or should I type slower?

NTP's original suit was "clear" which is why you think Sprint will prevail.

Clear has nothing to do with it.
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nextel18

Oct 5, 2005, 1:20 PM
see every single topic we discuss you always have to say "I'm sorry it confused you. Should I use bigger words or should I type slower?" or something of that sort to attack me..

anyway, the suit had already been settled, which means closed, however, ntp for some reason backed out of the agreement they already had. (ntp already won a while ago on a simliar matter against rimm)

the point is, this suit with sprint vs vonage has just begun and not even close to an impasse or a settlement, while ntp and rimm has.
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texaswireless

Oct 5, 2005, 2:29 PM
I'm saying the path is a paved road and you are talking about the flowers in the trees (that, by the way, is a analogy).

Are you just digging in your heels because I said it?

All I said was NTP's patent suit looked "clear", a word you used to describe Sprint's suit as a reason it is factual.

NTP has now had most, if not all, of their patent claims rejected. It has nothing to do with the settlement. But it looked "clear and factual" at the beginning.

"Clear" does not mean "factual". I am talking about "A" while you want to compare it to "Z".

Relax man.
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nextel18

Oct 5, 2005, 2:41 PM
i am relaxed. lol.

i am just laughing at ya that is all.

all i am saying is that the sprint vs vonage case has just started while the ntp vs rimm's case is basically over.

anyway, this will continue to loop into circles becuase you like to spin things.. so we will just leave it at that.
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texaswireless

Oct 5, 2005, 3:00 PM
What does the time frame of the two cases have to do with comparison of merit?
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stevelvl

Oct 5, 2005, 10:32 PM
hey you too play nice or i will send you both back to your mall keyosks!
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texaswireless

Oct 5, 2005, 10:33 PM
The difference is I OWN my store 😁

And he didn't answer my question anyways hehe.
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nextel18

Oct 6, 2005, 10:31 AM
i own mine as well.

i answered your question...

sorry i do have a life you know other then posting 24/7 on here like you do. 🙂
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texaswireless

Oct 6, 2005, 12:40 PM
You own a kiosk?

That is new.

I'll let others jump on your for that revelation.
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nextel18

Oct 6, 2005, 12:57 PM
no... i own a store.
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MarkF

Oct 6, 2005, 1:04 PM
nextel18 said:
no... i own a store.


That's funny....for as long as I have seen you on this board you claimed that you "don't work". Obvious that you lied on this little bit of information.
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nextel18

Oct 6, 2005, 1:05 PM
you need to understand something my friend.

when one owns a store they have people working for you... meaning i dont work. i have people working for ME.

working and owning a store doesnt fall in the same boat. sorry.
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MarkF

Oct 6, 2005, 1:34 PM
nextel18 said:
you need to understand something my friend.

when one owns a store they have people working for you... meaning i dont work. i have people working for ME.

working and owning a store doesnt fall in the same boat. sorry.


You may have some working for you, as do I, but you still have to "work" to pay them, write the rent check to the landlord among other items such as utilities & insurance, and in total over see your operation.

That is called working my friend no matter how you cut it. So don't pretend that your something that your not.
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nextel18

Oct 6, 2005, 1:56 PM
no.. i have managers, accountants and others who handle my store, and my finances.

i dont have to work at all. as i said above.. you hire people to handle things for you.
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stevelvl

Oct 6, 2005, 10:11 PM
so you finally saved up enough money to buy the keyosk you work at? wow i am impressed1 hey maybe next you can buy the radio shack next door too!!!
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texaswireless

Oct 6, 2005, 1:11 PM
I didn't even need to jump him for that stupid remark. I knew many others would for me. 😳
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nextel18

Oct 6, 2005, 1:14 PM
he is like you.. he and you both switch things and turn things around...

when you own a store you dont work.. not sure if you dont know that...

stupid remark? hahahah... pathetic...

you need to try going out more...
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texaswireless

Oct 6, 2005, 1:16 PM
When you own a store you don't work.

I know quite a few store owners, AND THEY ALL WORK.
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MarkF

Oct 6, 2005, 1:39 PM
Not only do they work...they work a heck of a lot more than their employees! Hard to find anyone that is trustworthy enough to have the keys to the shop anymore!
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texaswireless

Oct 6, 2005, 1:57 PM
I am in my store 6 days a week and we are closed on Sunday. I try to leave early or come in a little late every once in a while but I want to be around for every customer.

I know the owners of quite a few Verizon and Cingular agents. Yeah, there are some that don't work, but their stores don't do very well either. The best agent principals are very hands-on in their operation. Those that suddenly decide to "coast" suddenly see their sales drop and wonder why. Gotta constantly get an edge!
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MarkF

Oct 6, 2005, 2:08 PM
texaswireless said:
I am in my store 6 days a week and we are closed on Sunday. I try to leave early or come in a little late every once in a while but I want to be around for every customer.



That's a man who takes pride in his operation. Kudo's!

Personally I like the 7:30 to 4:30 M-F, and a regular check every 2 weeks, but that is just me.
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texaswireless

Oct 6, 2005, 2:14 PM
I prefer this so much more. Same hours as before but I realize much more personal income and job satisfaction.
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stevelvl

Oct 6, 2005, 10:13 PM
i perfer where i just work from home and sprint writes me a big fat check. oh and ocasionally i drive to stores as well.
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nextel18

Oct 6, 2005, 1:55 PM
yea.. when you own a store you dont work.. that is why you hire others to work for you and hire managers to look after your store then you hire accountants to handle your accounts and finances.

i know many store owners too and they dont work either.

i guess we do things differntly in our end than in yours.
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texaswireless

Oct 6, 2005, 2:12 PM
You have a great deal to learn about business.
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MarkF

Oct 6, 2005, 1:36 PM
Yeah that one caught my attention right off the bat. I loved calling him on the carpet for that one. 😁
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nextel18

Oct 6, 2005, 10:31 AM
we are discussing about the time frame.

sprint's case has just begun while ntp vs rimm is pretty much over.

as i said we will just go around and around in circles.
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texaswireless

Oct 6, 2005, 12:39 PM
Dude, I never brought up time frame nor was it implied or inferred by my reference. You brought it up and said my "analogy" didn't make sense.

Yeah, it didn't make sense if you took it as a time frame reference.

I don't know if you even relaize it but you do this alot. You either add your own point to a discussion that is completely out of context or you change the direction to please your own motive. The end result is you then accuse others of "going around in circles" when you turned the direction of the conversation in the first place.

I didn't say anything about time. I was talking (as many others here have read and entered their opinion) about MERIT and how "Clear" a cause of action has nothing to do with said MERIT.

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nextel18

Oct 6, 2005, 1:04 PM
like i said.. in circles thats all you do and you post 24/7 and you attack me... i mean i understand you have nothign else to do by try. i can help support you. lol. perhaps you should move your kiosk in a better location so that you can have those extra funds so you can get out more.

i mentioned something about time that is why i said your analogy didnt make any sense... 1 is almost closed or by law closed, and the 2nd one isnt closed and just begun.

1. was settled.. (but ntp backed out of the deal)
2. just begun...

i never mentioned one thing about merit... just about your analogy with timeframe.
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texaswireless

Oct 6, 2005, 1:15 PM
God you are an idiot.

I WAS ARGUING ON MERIT, YOU CHANGED THE ARGUMENT TO TIME FRAME.

The funny thing is you can joke about me owning a store (kiosk in your little world) and I don't argue with you. I am proud that I own a store. I am proud that I the number one store in volume in my market (can be confirmed by several other outside sources as well). I am proud I have kids that keep me up late.

And most of all, I am proud I am a grown up.
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nextel18

Oct 6, 2005, 1:54 PM
name calling? lol what isnt new..

i wasnt arguing about merit. as you know i never changed anything i just stood my ground with saying about the timeframe...

store and a kiosk are different but thats ok.

number 1 store? not to shabby. perhaps you should take some of your funds and go out more? or perhaps you shouldnt be on people's back ON THE INTERNET and go out with your kids and family some more.

your grown up? hahahah. arguing with a 21 year old all the time with the smallest things.. very grown up. lol..
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texaswireless

Oct 6, 2005, 2:09 PM
Ok, time to show others your twist.

dca said:
I would be surprised if Sprint wins... This is a poor analogy, but, its kind of like every car company having to pay Ford Motors residuals because Henry Ford built the first car....


Then you replied with

nextel18 said:
they will probably settle it... vonage doesnt really have the money to challenge sprint, even though vonage might do an IPO soon and reclaim it all back.

the thing is, sprint was clear about how many patents were being violated and things of that nature and specific language that is shows that it is impossible to be false. kinda like when qualcomm sues other companies for violating they are so detailed.

the lawye
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MarkF

Oct 5, 2005, 6:30 PM
I agree, its amazing that the lawsuit is allowed to continue as Sprint didn't develop all of packet-data communication protocols. They utilize the technology as many other communication companies including Vonage, AT&T and others. At the rate they are going they are going to say that they invented the IP protocol and files injunctions against all of the Internet companies nationwide.

Actually Ham radio has been using packet data switching way before Sprint was in wireless, but you don't see the ham radio manufacturers who still manufacturer packet systems suing Sprint or anyone else as its considered an open technology.

Be interesting to see how this unfolds.
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texaswireless

Oct 5, 2005, 10:34 PM
Actually, Al Gore invented packet data.
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MarkF

Oct 6, 2005, 4:15 AM
I was waiting for that! 🤣
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