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why sell iden?

THE BOX

Dec 18, 2005, 4:56 PM
why in gods name would sprint sell iden ? I know that sprints cdma sucks in most areas even though they have roaming agreements with everyone (supposedly).I really liked nextel and i truly hate sprints crappy cusotmer service and plans so why not adopt nextels network and do away with sprints bullshit ?
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baristakid

Dec 19, 2005, 7:27 AM
the thing that sprint hopes to accomplish is appealing to many different customers. The iden network is a strong network, but is now as widespread as the sdma network. on top of that, iden excels in the and gps features while cdma is the most condusive wireless phone technology to data capibility. It really comes down to what you are looking for. Both of my cdma phones work everywhere i need it to, although it is a little weak in areas. Another thing is that the iden network runs on the 850mhz band, which the government is forcing all cellular bands out (which is only nextel) by 2012. the cdma runs on either the 1900mhz or the 2.5ghz bands, which means that by 2012 all nextel customers will be switched to the cdma bands. a little unfo...
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DarkStar

Dec 19, 2005, 6:23 PM
Sorry bud,
You need to do a lot of research. Cingular and Verizon use the 850 Mhz band in many areas.
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monkeyracer

Dec 19, 2005, 7:07 PM
Check your dates, it's 2010, not 2012, I think you were mistaken because 2012 is when you graduate high school finally 🤣 . Also, not every nextel subcriber will switch to CDMA unless there is a system for PTT that is better than ready link. Sprint has 4 years to figure that out. There are little rumors about a soft switch, a phone that has both tdma and cdma capability, Direct Connect with CDMA calls and data. if such a phone were to exist, it would help the switch over, but again only if there were a better PTT service.
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VZW429

Dec 23, 2005, 11:48 PM
why would the FCC mandate that every carrier uses 1900mhz? Verizon Uses 850 mhz and 1900 mhz it wouldnt make sense
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MarkF

Dec 24, 2005, 6:16 AM
VZW429 said:
why would the FCC mandate that every carrier uses 1900mhz? Verizon Uses 850 mhz and 1900 mhz it wouldnt make sense


He is mis-informed, the FCC isn't mandating anyone move from the Cellular A and B blocks.
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dave73

Dec 28, 2005, 6:56 AM
Besides, the PCS band doesn't travel as far as the cellular band does. It takes more towers to cover several miles as it does to use 1 or 2 towers using the cellular band. The PCS band is primarily used in heavily populated cities where celphone reception doesn't interfere as much with emergency services frequencies like cellular band frequencies do. Nextel was supposed to swap out some of their cellular band licenses for PCS band licenses in some markets because their phones were interfering with emergency services frequencies. It doesn't look like that'll happen as Sprint will use the swapped licenses for their own network. I wonder if they'll start operating in the cellular band as well, or convert the rest of the network to PCS.
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MarkF

Dec 28, 2005, 3:48 PM
dave73 said:
Nextel was supposed to swap out some of their cellular band licenses for PCS band licenses in some markets because their phones were interfering with emergency services frequencies. It doesn't look like that'll happen as Sprint will use the swapped licenses for their own network. I wonder if they'll start operating in the cellular band as well, or convert the rest of the network to PCS.


Re-Banding is happening right now on the west coast. Once it is completed Sprint/NEXTEL will have nationwide contiguous spectrum from approximately 866 to 869MHz in addition to 1.9 GHz spectrum. It is far off from completion though.
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DarkStar

Dec 19, 2005, 6:24 PM
Wow!!!! 😳 You don't know sh*t.
Sprint serivce is excellent in my areas. I have also had no problems with customer service in the past year. I have to call sprint on almost a daily basis because I sell sprint and I know their customer service. Don't try and bulldoze a company without knowing all the facts. Thats why I can't say the Cingular suck or T-mobile sucks.
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monkeyracer

Dec 19, 2005, 7:00 PM
Yeah, I agree, I've worked for a third party retailer selling different carriers side by side, and now sell sprint (nextel) exclusively. From my experience, most customers come to me and have had any other carrier and say that they don't get service in a given location. They try sprint, it works great. I tell all my customers to talk to me for any service issues, and if needed, I call sprint care so the customer doesn't have to. 1 out of 30 sprint care reps is retarded, but that's a lot better than my experience with the former at&t which was more like 1 in 5 was retarded.
This is a dumb point. All carriers have their good points and their bad points. And all have competing leading technologies. Really it comes down to whether it works in y...
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MarkF

Dec 20, 2005, 6:51 AM
There are a couple of reasons why:

1. iDEN is a radio protocol with telephone interconnect. It is NOT a standardized cellular protocol. It does not roam to CDMA or GSM and is licensed as a Part 90 radio service with the FCC.

2. iDEN is not as robust as CDMA. It is very inefficient in its handoffs (only does hard handoffs) and the phones doesn't get updates as to the loading of adjacent cells which leads to a large # of dropped calls, as compared to CDMA/GSM.

3. After the Re-banding is done (3 to 4 years) is the only time that WiDEN can be efficiently deployed which could increase the capacity of the existing network. A lot of areas, such as Chicago, NY, and South Florida are severely overloaded. The only way to increase capacity...
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legacynrs4evr

Dec 21, 2005, 9:56 PM
first of all just wanted to quote our hosts:
"Nextel uses Motorola's iDEN technology. They use an unusual set of small "SMR" frequency bands near 800-900 MHz, which are seperate from the 800/850 and 900 MHz cellular bands."

Second of all, thats the first ive heard about anything with 900mhz for cellular. Most of that spectrum is public, like phones FRS radios. I couldn't trust it. 1900 is way up there and has more potential.
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MarkF

Dec 21, 2005, 10:14 PM
legacynrs4evr said:
Second of all, thats the first ive heard about anything with 900mhz for cellular. Most of that spectrum is public, like phones FRS radios. I couldn't trust it. 1900 is way up there and has more potential.


Then its obvious that you aren't keeping up with NEXTEL's licensing strategy..

http://www.rcrnews.com/news.cms?newsId=25127 »

as this has been going on nationwide for quite some time.

Sprint/NEXTEL is not able to utilize the 1900 spectrum awarded to them by the FCC last year until they:
1. Complete the re-banding of Public Safety, and
2. Complete the re-location of those already occupying that spectrum.

If they need to utilize 1900 spectrum in the short term it has to be Sp...
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legacynrs4evr

Dec 21, 2005, 10:37 PM
That's new to me. Thanks for the source! BTW I didn't deny what you said, I just said I personally couldn't trust 900mhz as a scanner owner. You can legally listen in on anything you can pick up, including phone calls on cordless phones. Im just sayin...
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MarkF

Dec 22, 2005, 5:45 AM
You can't listen to iDEN with a scanner so the use of 900 MHz by NEXTEL is a moot point.

As far as listening to cordless phones, that is a violation of Federal Law, especially if you disclose what you have heard, but that is a totally different topic all to itself.
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CptFarlow

Dec 23, 2005, 5:06 PM
I work for a third-party retailer for Sprint, and we also sell IDEN. I rarely sign somebody up for Nextel. Mainly because people see the difference in the phones and go with Sprint. Other than the handsets being way behind the times, the quality is so much less than a Sanyo or Samsung.

Nextel's network, at least in the northeast where I am at, is one of the smallest.

I agree that in some areas Nextel may be good, and better than some other carriers. Just not in mine.

One last point of why I rarely sell an IDEN phone: It takes me at least an hour, usually two to sign somebody up and get them activated. With Sprint's activation system, I can do it in ten minutes.

I've had Cingular, and hated it. I have not had Verizon, and I actual...
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Insert Witty Name Here

Dec 23, 2005, 6:33 PM
I hate Sprint and I hate that they merged.

*in my best Forrest Gump voice* And that is all I have to say about that.
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Alluvin

Dec 23, 2005, 8:17 PM
Don't worry, sprint hates it's customers more than their customers hate them.
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CptFarlow

Dec 24, 2005, 10:23 AM
If that was true they wouldn't be in business... 😕

Like I and many others here were saying, it's all about what area you are in.

In my area, Sprint is great. I never roam, but even if I do, I don't have to pay for it. Being able to use any part of Verizon's network and Sprint's, think of that coverage area. Better than any other carrier, hands down.
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