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crazyeaglefan236

Feb 9, 2007, 12:09 PM
When I had my Motorola V710 I could use a mobile office kit and connect to the internet. It just used my airtime. Verizon touted this feature and for selling more kits/accessories.

Now fastfoward to today. What phones are capable of doing this? I know with the EVDO phones you must subscribe to a tether plan. What about the V325? The kit advertises that it will connect to the National Access network. Will it do this old school, using just the airtime?

Thanks in advance!
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yeahright

Feb 9, 2007, 12:11 PM
my understanding is that would work if you are not caught, however the actual stance with Verizon is the $60 unlimited tethering is charged regardless if your phone is evdo or not. I asked this same question about a month ago.
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crazyeaglefan236

Feb 9, 2007, 12:18 PM
Ok. My questioning is because years ago, this was touted. This was brought up as acceptable. My understanding was that it was unacceptable if you were hacking an EVDO phone to use the broadband network w/o paying.

I have asked my rep and she said she didn't know that it was ever acceptable to be using the National Access...by using a phone as a modem. So, I went three years back and sent her and email that she sent from VZW to tell us to push this very fact. So, she has no answer either...
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wfine81

Feb 9, 2007, 12:21 PM
Well, I still sell a lot of the Mobile Office kits for various phones, and the customers can still connect to the internet, since it is not using the EVDO I am assuming that it is using national access, which just uses minutes.

I have always been a little confused by this stuff myself
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crazyeaglefan236

Feb 9, 2007, 12:31 PM
Thanks. We have a customer that bought a Samsung a870 and just came back about not being able to connect like her old Samsung phone. I looked and could not find a mobile office kit for that phone...so I assume it would not be capable. I would easily switch her out for a Motorola V325i which does have a kit. I just want to be sure that will work.
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wfine81

Feb 9, 2007, 12:35 PM
Well, tell ya what, I have a customer coming in back around 3ish with her laptop and Im selling her a mobile office kit for her 325, ill let you know how it goes.
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crazyeaglefan236

Feb 9, 2007, 12:44 PM
hey...much thanks!
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wfine81

Feb 9, 2007, 4:21 PM
Just set up the 325i with no problems, connects and just uses minutes, the only problem I encountered was trying to set up her husbands Razr with it because of the EVDO restrictions, so it couldnt be done.
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wfine81

Feb 9, 2007, 12:37 PM
That is strange, I just looked to for the 870 Mobile office kit and your right, it just list...

650/670/890/930/950/970/990/340 and skips right over the 870, wonder what would happen if you tried to hook it up
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crazyeaglefan236

Feb 9, 2007, 12:43 PM
She tried...nothing. Won't recognize anything...
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wfine81

Feb 9, 2007, 1:07 PM
that is weird, I also noticed that none of the Nokias support "office kits" either
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Wireless Buddy

Feb 9, 2007, 5:24 PM
Few Quick Questions.

I am using an 8910, which is NationalAccess compatible. If I buy a Mobile Office Kit, can I connect it to a desktop computer (Sony Vaio, Windows ME) and only use minutes? Is it a full ISP or do I still need to get a dial up ISP like Netzero seperate?
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crazyeaglefan236

Feb 10, 2007, 7:22 PM
I have a MOK here for an 8900 in my old overstock. Don't know if this will work...
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yeahright

Feb 9, 2007, 3:18 PM
you are right, i sold many of them even kept a cable for my phone in case internet went down at home, but ever since verizon launched tethering,evdo and aircards they have tightened their greedy arse and have said no. Will it work...should, but we are not suppposed to be promoting it as reps and it is not published. Where it is mentioned directs you to purchasing a tethering package, regardless of your phones evdo capability or not. the other thing I noticed is that the kit comes up for the 325 but not the 325I, doubt there is a difference, but maybe. So hook it up, should work, doubt verizon will hunt the customer down, but technically that could turn it off or charge them for use if they choose
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Wireless Buddy

Feb 9, 2007, 5:37 PM
Would it work with a non-phone PDA like HP iPaq or Dell Axim?
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yeahright

Feb 10, 2007, 12:09 PM
not 100% sure what you mean..but if you are asking if you could tether a non phone pda and use verizon network i would say no.
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Wireless Buddy

Feb 10, 2007, 5:55 PM
😢
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duckbutter

Feb 9, 2007, 1:27 PM
I'm with yeahright on this one, I think the official stance is no you can't. I do remember a couple years ago when they were trying to have us push it on everybody. If it still works then great, I doubt they are going to hunt anybody down for using national access. Verizon probably wouldn't even notice.
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Voice_Of_Logic

Feb 10, 2007, 2:10 PM
as long as the phone being used is a 1x/NA ONLY device you will be able to use the MOK and only be billed as MOU based on your plan. so say you have like a 6100, 4700, 5300, v325, etc etc. you have been able to and you will be able to! (as long as a MOK avail)

BUT once you change to or have ANY device that is EVDO capable you will not be able to use a MOK and get away with only MOU! reason behind it is that your line/profile is now provisioned very differently than a 1x only device. as soon as you try to connect that is what says yes or no, unless you have the unlimited plan

non-evdo capable devices, MOK with MOU = yes
evdo capable device, MOK with MOU = no
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crazyeaglefan236

Feb 10, 2007, 3:39 PM
That is exactly as I thought...but I was not positive. So I will need to get this customer out of their Samsung a870 and into a Moto V325i as the a870 does not have a Mobile Office Kit.

Thank you for your help.
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Voice_Of_Logic

Feb 10, 2007, 6:25 PM
crazyeaglefan236 said:
That is exactly as I thought...but I was not positive. So I will need to get this customer out of their Samsung a870 and into a Moto V325i as the a870 does not have a Mobile Office Kit.

Thank you for your help.



you got it, MOK for the 325i is sku VERKUMOTOMINI13
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crazyeaglefan236

Feb 10, 2007, 7:18 PM
I have one in stock here already.

Thanks!
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verizonplayah

Feb 10, 2007, 5:32 PM
You have to subscribe to mobile web to use this though, right?
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crazyeaglefan236

Feb 10, 2007, 5:33 PM
Mobile web is for access to WAP sites through your handset. Not for tethering...
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verizonplayah

Feb 10, 2007, 5:58 PM
Ya i know what mobile web is for, just didnt know about the tethering.

So pretty much if you buy the kit to use with a non evdo phone like the v325i it just uses minutes just like a phone call?

Anyone know if it works with Mac OSX?
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Wireless Buddy

Feb 10, 2007, 6:04 PM
Would it work with my 8910? Where can I find a MOK for it? How much $$?
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Voice_Of_Logic

Feb 10, 2007, 7:02 PM
Wireless Buddy said:
Would it work with my 8910? Where can I find a MOK for it? How much $$?


would the 8910 work and only use MOU, yes. but the hard part would be finding a MOK kit for it now since its that old of a model. best bet would be checking with utstarcom directly 800 229 1235
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Wireless Buddy

Feb 11, 2007, 10:07 AM
would i need a seperate ISP or can I just go to my browser (Opera) and use the Internet?
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Voice_Of_Logic

Feb 11, 2007, 11:15 AM
Wireless Buddy said:
would i need a seperate ISP or can I just go to my browser (Opera) and use the Internet?


i think your missing the point of the MOK then! your phone = modem, vzw service = connection to internet
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Wireless Buddy

Feb 11, 2007, 8:55 PM
👀

I thought that it was like a dial up connection, the phone with MOK being the phone line and needing an ISP w/ access #'s.

Thanks!!
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Voice_Of_Logic

Feb 10, 2007, 6:32 PM
verizonplayah said:

Anyone know if it works with Mac OSX?



http://vzam.net/Download/Default.aspx » for supported tables
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yeahright

Feb 12, 2007, 12:34 PM
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »

This same thing has been debated on here many of times, here is just one link form the past. I cannot find anything supporting this is allowed, I can find info saying a unlimited national access plan is available for tethering national access phones. So with that said it looks like Verizon is wanting people to pay for this service. Yes I know many are still using it, but officially i can't find anywhere where Verizon says it is ok.
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vz_wireless

Feb 12, 2007, 12:48 PM
Unlimited National Access feature is 59.99 add on, same as Unlimited Broadband access. VZW does not condone or support minutes of use with tethered phone. This changed over a year ago.
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yeahright

Feb 12, 2007, 2:32 PM
see that is what i thought as well, but people keep saying different on here 😕
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