Wanted to touch on this situation with regarding Data and EV-DO
I just wanted to mention my opinion on this matter.
I think that Verizon truly cares mostly about its landline than its wireless division when it comes to data on its wireless and wire line platforms. As you can tell, they do not really care too much about their wireless division’s data plans to go to the next step to differentiate them, because they care really only about their postpaid voice signups. I have been mentioning that going into the future they need to adjust accordingly. At least try to be like Cingular or Sprint or other competitors. I am afraid if they do not do so they will far way behind from the pack especially going into the future. you can see that they care heavily about their landline division because they are aggre...
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I think that Verizon truly cares mostly about its landline than its wireless division when it comes to data on its wireless and wire line platforms. As you can tell, they do not really care too much about their wireless division’s data plans to go to the next step to differentiate them, because they care really only about their postpaid voice signups. I have been mentioning that going into the future they need to adjust accordingly. At least try to be like Cingular or Sprint or other competitors. I am afraid if they do not do so they will far way behind from the pack especially going into the future. you can see that they care heavily about their landline division because they are aggre...
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Whats up Nextel18? Good to have you back but with that said, I truly think that many of you Sprint folks are underestimating VZW just because they have not publicly leaked or released any info on their update path. Considering how well they have been performing over the past couple of years, they should not have any problems quickly rolling out a quality upgrade to EV-DO. I do not think that this is even an issue, they are just being hush-hush. I think Sprint is spewing out info to try to build excitement and to keep potential customers attention away from their problems (smoke). All in all, I know that VZW will have something comparable to Wimax and HSPDA+. The only concern that I might forcee is their overly restrictive policies but ...
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Not sure if you recall, but I have ties across this whole wireless industry so please don’t say “you Sprint folk” but regardless, I am not underestimating Verizon Wireless’ plans because as you can see there is a very big difference with their wire line and wireless divisions when it comes to spending on newer technologies. As you can see they actually do care about data because of their FIOS roll out, but they do not care too much on their wireless side. Perhaps they see their wire line Data will get more customers than their wireless data offerings. Is that a good strategy? So far, it is working, but will it work out in the future? not 100% sure. Many companies including Sprint have kept their plans on the hush hush but I do not think tha...
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Fiber internet optic service. Basically, it is a FTTP or fiber to the premise service that uses those lines to transmit high speed data, which allows for higher bandwidth applications and is able to deliver more on that pipe than on normal lines. They are going to have TV and data services.
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i think they are more focused on data than you think. Don't count them out, they maybe late to announce their 4g but i am sure they are working on it. All we ever hear at any meetings we go to is, data,data,data,date..it honestly gets old. I know that jsut in the area i work data % have tripled over the last year and they should finish the RevA rollout this year so the upgrade for that could easily start next year.
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I don't think it will be too terribly long before Verizon's whole network is EVDO as well.
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Agreed and then rev A will be in more areas to. Then I'm pretty sure their plans aren't to put restrictions on data anymore and may lower cost.
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According to the data, they aren’t especially when it comes to wireless. Ok. They are going to upgrade to REV A, but so what? Do they have any competing technology that will be adequate enough against Wimax or HSDPA/HSUPA? I don’t think so.
They aren’t even doing well with their current REV O product so who knows if that will change with REV A and other products.
With regarding their Wireline business, they are doing a great job with their FIOS launch.
That is why I said before, that they only care about their wireline business than their wireless business when it comes to data.
They aren’t even doing well with their current REV O product so who knows if that will change with REV A and other products.
With regarding their Wireline business, they are doing a great job with their FIOS launch.
That is why I said before, that they only care about their wireline business than their wireless business when it comes to data.
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we will see, but this is what i see happening by the end of this year and rolling into next. Evdo will be done, reva will be rolling out to more and more area and data prices will drop. That is my prediction. And by the end of the year we will probably be talking about 4g a lot more.
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I see. Well, we have no idea of what Verizon can do. Can they do LTE? Who knows? Wimax, well they cannot do that. What else? TD-SCDMA? Not sure.
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Seriously-You hid from Phonescoop for months while Sprint continued to be the laughing stock of the wireless industry and come in to post this crap???
Yes Nextel18, Verizon cares little for the profit monger that is it's love child with Vodaphone, they don't have a clue on their future data path and they should be sitting around pondering if they should be like Sprint or Cingular and follow their lead, get a clue!!!!!
For years people have been slamming VZW for their phone selection, crippled bluetooth, terrible UI and lack of data. Ironically they have posted the best year over year results for a few years yet they are heading the wrong way???????
Sprint is going Wimax and you rave about their plans, but seriously is Wimax the future ...
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Yes Nextel18, Verizon cares little for the profit monger that is it's love child with Vodaphone, they don't have a clue on their future data path and they should be sitting around pondering if they should be like Sprint or Cingular and follow their lead, get a clue!!!!!
For years people have been slamming VZW for their phone selection, crippled bluetooth, terrible UI and lack of data. Ironically they have posted the best year over year results for a few years yet they are heading the wrong way???????
Sprint is going Wimax and you rave about their plans, but seriously is Wimax the future ...
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This gets my vote as best post ever!!!
One word is required for this post: "owned."
One word is required for this post: "owned."
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Nextel,
Why is it that Sprint supporters continually tout data usage as the saving grace of the cell phone industry?
Cell phone usage is based upon... wait for it... the ability to talk on a cell phone!!!
Data usage is incredibly expensive to support and incredibly expensive to deploy that supports completely OPTIONAL revenue streams. Which means the risk of running a loss is completely relevant to every single wireless provider.
I'm quite confident in saying that we are all data users here on this forum. I'm a long time Treo user and have supported the Treo platform for years. But what are the actual percentages for data users??? I would say maybe 5% of all cell phone users.
Then we have to look at data offerings. Unt...
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Why is it that Sprint supporters continually tout data usage as the saving grace of the cell phone industry?
Cell phone usage is based upon... wait for it... the ability to talk on a cell phone!!!
Data usage is incredibly expensive to support and incredibly expensive to deploy that supports completely OPTIONAL revenue streams. Which means the risk of running a loss is completely relevant to every single wireless provider.
I'm quite confident in saying that we are all data users here on this forum. I'm a long time Treo user and have supported the Treo platform for years. But what are the actual percentages for data users??? I would say maybe 5% of all cell phone users.
Then we have to look at data offerings. Unt...
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I am a Data user to, Have had the Treo 700 since the week it came out and oh by the way how long did it take Sprint to bring out the same device??? I have a Rev-A aircard that I upgraded From Rev-o and guess what, VZW had Rev-O in my area before Sprint not to mention my Moto Krzr, that came out on VZW when Sprint was releasing the much touted V3M Razr.
I believe that ATT and VZW are doing it right, the numbers don't lie however they have a different business model. As for Sprint they seem like the Rex Grossman of the wireless world and I am waiting to see if Wimax will be that game ending interception that Sprint is used to throwing when desperation calls.
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I believe that ATT and VZW are doing it right, the numbers don't lie however they have a different business model. As for Sprint they seem like the Rex Grossman of the wireless world and I am waiting to see if Wimax will be that game ending interception that Sprint is used to throwing when desperation calls.
NEXTEL18 is a fraud and he still hasn't explained why he disappeared for all of th...
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Not sure why just Sprint people/supporters tout about data usage but if you see globally there are other companies who care about that as well. Globally, there are many carriers who care about data as well as voice but care about data a little bit more, as evident of how much data ARPU and revenue is as a percentage of total ARPU and revenue. If you take a look at the market today, you see many companies trying to do deals with Google, MySpace, Gootube, and others to put on their cell phones as extras because those sites on the laptop or desktop are becoming heavy traffic users. According to In-Stat there has been $13 billion worth of wireless data revenues in 2006 which is up from 2000 where wireless data recorded revenue of $164 million,...
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i have to agree, sprint sucks, always have sucked and they continue to suck to this day, and will suck even more in the near future. i aggree with biddaddyjay, that this is just another attempt from a company who is in a desperate situation, by getting people exited about this new network that could maybe take off for them if they could afford it. just looking at the numbers through the past few recent years, sprint has been going down, and continues to this day. numbers from last quarter prove sprint losing more than a quarter million customers, while vzw gained 2.3 million, 2.1 millon who are post paid.
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I mentioned earlier that data will be key and a very good growth story in the future, and Nokia and Novatel Wireless and Sierra Wireless confirmed that today and yesterday.
Yesterday, Novatel Wireless upped its guidance because of what the company says as “Novatel Wireless announced a robust guidance for the March quarter and 2007 based on record backlogs, solid product launches as well as strong adoption and design wins from carriers and PC OEMs.” Another article states; “Novatel Boosts Guidance, Cites Wireless-Modem Boom”. Some excerpts from there; “Novatel's bullish guidance comes courtesy of dramatically increased demand for its EV-DO Rev. A ExpressCards, which allow laptop computers to connect to the Internet via cellphone providers...
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Yesterday, Novatel Wireless upped its guidance because of what the company says as “Novatel Wireless announced a robust guidance for the March quarter and 2007 based on record backlogs, solid product launches as well as strong adoption and design wins from carriers and PC OEMs.” Another article states; “Novatel Boosts Guidance, Cites Wireless-Modem Boom”. Some excerpts from there; “Novatel's bullish guidance comes courtesy of dramatically increased demand for its EV-DO Rev. A ExpressCards, which allow laptop computers to connect to the Internet via cellphone providers...
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Thats cool.
But my issue is the way it is presented. I don't know why but Sprint fans seem to believe that data usage will usurp VZW as being the top wireless carrier in the US.
The problem is that it is not happening like that at all. Instead the simple fact that voice quality determines who uses what service. Voluntary churn indicates this. When Consumer Reports and JD Edwards survey why people leave one for another the most common answer is Voice quality. Maybe 1% will say data availability and data speed.
You are preaching to the 1% not the 99% who actually pay the bills.
Now if you were to say that Sprint was deploying a new type of voice network that has twice or thrice the range of current towers, suffers from minimal...
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But my issue is the way it is presented. I don't know why but Sprint fans seem to believe that data usage will usurp VZW as being the top wireless carrier in the US.
The problem is that it is not happening like that at all. Instead the simple fact that voice quality determines who uses what service. Voluntary churn indicates this. When Consumer Reports and JD Edwards survey why people leave one for another the most common answer is Voice quality. Maybe 1% will say data availability and data speed.
You are preaching to the 1% not the 99% who actually pay the bills.
Now if you were to say that Sprint was deploying a new type of voice network that has twice or thrice the range of current towers, suffers from minimal...
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The reasoning for why people say this has to deal with the mere fact that voice ARPU, Revenue, and usage has been going down, while data ARPU, usage, speed and capacity, have all been going up which is obviously a reason that carriers need to offset those decline in Voice with the increase in data. That is also, why you see carriers pushing prepaid and prepaid data as well to create additional revenue streams and to tap an untapped, especially when it comes to penetration and saturation, market.
Actually, Sprint right now is ahead of Verizon in the data categories especially with Data ARPU, at $10, and with total people on their Power Vision or EV-DO platform. I can tell you that Sprint has about 5 times the amount of customers that Ve...
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Actually, Sprint right now is ahead of Verizon in the data categories especially with Data ARPU, at $10, and with total people on their Power Vision or EV-DO platform. I can tell you that Sprint has about 5 times the amount of customers that Ve...
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Here is an interesting fact about Wimax; “Global WiMAX infrastructure spending will rocket from $655m today to $7.36bn by 2009, just three short years away, according to a brand new report from Rethink Research. WiMAX spending will go from 22.5% of all broadband wireless spending in 2006 to be the dominant platform in the market, with a 63% share. This is the first piece of research to state definitively how much money will be spent on WiMAX equipment, including core networking - in which countries, and for which applications. The report draws entirely on operators' spending plans rather than vendor estimates.”
You could get those reports, but it does cost money. (For me it does not)
Here is another interesting fact; “Although the...
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You could get those reports, but it does cost money. (For me it does not)
Here is another interesting fact; “Although the...
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Let me clarify something real quick. Verizon does not have a wireless "division." First of all.
Secondly: Writing long posts about theories about verizon wireless' data or lack of data or whatever it is that you think is missing does nothing to point out VZW flaws. Sprint puts a lot of advertising into their "Power Network" Cingular has "the fewest dropped calls" and Alltel has the largest network. So what? T Mobile has...something I'm sure...
Sprint has the most powerful network. Absolutely true. In LA San Francisco and a LOT of major cities. BUT the coverage of the "power network" leaves something to be desired. Actually a LOT to be desired. In FACT if you're out of these major areas and you NEED to have EV or faster you're...
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Secondly: Writing long posts about theories about verizon wireless' data or lack of data or whatever it is that you think is missing does nothing to point out VZW flaws. Sprint puts a lot of advertising into their "Power Network" Cingular has "the fewest dropped calls" and Alltel has the largest network. So what? T Mobile has...something I'm sure...
Sprint has the most powerful network. Absolutely true. In LA San Francisco and a LOT of major cities. BUT the coverage of the "power network" leaves something to be desired. Actually a LOT to be desired. In FACT if you're out of these major areas and you NEED to have EV or faster you're...
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Actually Verizon does. They have a wireline unit and a wireless unit.
If you notice, I was talking about Verizon not about any other company out there so please stick to the companies in which I talk about. You might actually try to make a point instead of going on and on and on about different and irrelevant companies.
So far, with all your ramblings, you have not touched on any of the points that I raised, so if you can, please do, if you cannot, do not bother.
If you notice, I was talking about Verizon not about any other company out there so please stick to the companies in which I talk about. You might actually try to make a point instead of going on and on and on about different and irrelevant companies.
So far, with all your ramblings, you have not touched on any of the points that I raised, so if you can, please do, if you cannot, do not bother.
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No. Verizon Communications which would be as you put it their wireline unit and Verizon Wireless their.. uh.. wireless unit.. are two seperate companies. One doesn't beget the other. Unlike AT&T who own both a wireline and wireless. Verizon Communications OWNS VZW but does not actually hold share to VZW. They allow Verizon Wireless to be self sufficient. And I did address what you said. I'm just pointing out that negative things can be said about all carriers. What you failed to notice is that I pointed out that something big is on the horizon. What you choose to read is not my problem.
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No Verizon has two units; their wireline and wireless. Their wireless division is a joint venture between themselves and Voda, which is called Verizon Wireless. Even on their website, they separate the two especially when it comes to segment revenue as well as capex for the two units.
You did not address it but that is ok, I feel that you cannot.
You did not address it but that is ok, I feel that you cannot.
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Cingular is running scared. They do have the fewest dropped calls. They have the fewest active attempts.. in other words they have the fewest completed calls per user. That being said, If you can't make a call, you probably won't drop it. Just sayin is all. People don't take this into consideration. They want rollover minutes and gimmicky phones that don't work 15 miles from a major interstate. BUT YOU CAN USE THEM OVER SEAS! Do you live overseas? NO! Maybe just MAYBE Cingy should stop trying to change their name and consider what it is about their behavior both in Customer Service and Network Quality that is getting them STOMPED by other carriers.
Running scared 😕
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What I mean is that while some carriers are focusing their attentions on things such as changing thier name, other carriers are trying to ensure that you won't be able to say that ATT or whomever worked better in your area for much longer.
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