When does verizon plan on launching 3G?
at&t already had 3g in place in a few test markets, which will be continued by cingular. when does verizon plan to launch it?
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it's ALREADY launched... it BARELY outperforms current 2G GSM technology. When 3G UMTS technology is launched, it will blow CDMA's "3G" technology out of the water. High Speed Packet data access will knock cdma in the dirt, offering data speeds up to 14mbps...
One thing I think is funny... cdma's "3G" technology just BARELY hits the mark theoretically and falls way short of of what the 3GPP define as 3G in actual practice. Everything CDMA has released for 3G has fallen wayyyyy short of what was promised. UMTS is delivering as promised however.
One thing I think is funny... cdma's "3G" technology just BARELY hits the mark theoretically and falls way short of of what the 3GPP define as 3G in actual practice. Everything CDMA has released for 3G has fallen wayyyyy short of what was promised. UMTS is delivering as promised however.
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wow, I thought there would be some great hype behind the launch, but if it performs so poorly I can see why there wasnt
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i can see why you came back... the auto industry is the only industry with MORE complaints than wireless... 😉 🤣
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also its feast or famine. before I sold cars I worked for an authorized agent of cingular, and was top rep in washington for two months in a row, so after I sold cars I went to cingular corporate. its amazing the change in one year. thats why I love the industry.
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CainMarko said:
it's ALREADY launched... it BARELY outperforms current 2G GSM technology. When 3G UMTS technology is launched, it will blow CDMA's "3G" technology out of the water. High Speed Packet data access will knock cdma in the dirt, offering data speeds up to 14mbps...
One thing I think is funny... cdma's "3G" technology just BARELY hits the mark theoretically and falls way short of of what the 3GPP define as 3G in actual practice. Everything CDMA has released for 3G has fallen wayyyyy short of what was promised. UMTS is delivering as promised however.
I don't know what you're smokin' but EV-DO is a faster than UMTS. That is a commonly known fact. UMTS has average speeks anywhere from 220kbps-...
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I don't know what you're smokin' but EV-DO is a faster than UMTS. That is a commonly known fact. UMTS has average speeks anywhere from 220kbps-330kbps with bursts up to around 384kbps. EV-DO has average speeds anywhere from 300kbps-500kbps with bursts up to 2mbps. It has been tested and proven that EV-DO is a lot better and faster. I have included a link to an article that states just that.
http://telephonyonline.com/ar/telecom_speed_trials_u ... »
well, I am smoking reality. Those are ADVERTISED speeds NOT real life speeds. The FASTEST actual live network speed was on an EDGE network in europe. It currently holds the world speed record for wireless data transfer on a live network. I...
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sorry... the block quote screwed up and it looked like you said the whole thing... here's what it SHOULD have read...
well, I am smoking reality. Those are ADVERTISED speeds NOT real life speeds. The FASTEST actual live network ...
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SBacklin said:
I don't know what you're smokin' but EV-DO is a faster than UMTS. That is a commonly known fact. UMTS has average speeks anywhere from 220kbps-330kbps with bursts up to around 384kbps. EV-DO has average speeds anywhere from 300kbps-500kbps with bursts up to 2mbps. It has been tested and proven that EV-DO is a lot better and faster. I have included a link to an article that states just that.
http://telephonyonline.com/ar/telecom_speed_trials_u ... »
well, I am smoking reality. Those are ADVERTISED speeds NOT real life speeds. The FASTEST actual live network ...
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I have done a little research and found that the current ev-do and umts data speeds ARE faster than the EDGE network which nabbed the top spot in july of 2004. I have also read a few reports that have the NATIONAL ev-do SLIGHTLY faster than the trial runs areas of umts. It was out-done by about 100kbps. This however is only a trial run of umts in the states and UMTS overseas is actually offering faster data speeds.
So don't read my last post and come in with guns a flyin' ... I already know I was wrong.
So don't read my last post and come in with guns a flyin' ... I already know I was wrong.
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CainMarko said:
I have done a little research and found that the current ev-do and umts data speeds ARE faster than the EDGE network which nabbed the top spot in july of 2004. I have also read a few reports that have the NATIONAL ev-do SLIGHTLY faster than the trial runs areas of umts. It was out-done by about 100kbps. This however is only a trial run of umts in the states and UMTS overseas is actually offering faster data speeds.
So don't read my last post and come in with guns a flyin' ... I already know I was wrong.
Cain, you seem to have a pattern of not vetting your info before you spout off. Either that or you are having a pretty terrible past couple of days.
I think you're cool overall (I lik...
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Gee... I get shiit if I don't admit an error and I get shiit if I do...
Funny thing is..... I don't see anyone else admitting their mistakes...
Funny thing is..... I don't see anyone else admitting their mistakes...
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You do get sheeite either way Cain, and deservedly so, but you also get respect for admitting your mistake. Which you did, to your credit. 🙂
What I am obviously saying is, be more careful with your statements. Word to the wise.
What I am obviously saying is, be more careful with your statements. Word to the wise.
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Yeah see, LOL, it is my understanding that EDGE was developed to compliment GPRS which in turn beat CDMA's slower data service. Then CDMA launched EV-DO which is no being challenged by GSM's UMTS. EV-DO is the winner.
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yeah... ev-do offers better data speeds than current AMERICAN umts... which is still in trial runs. The japanese and chinese have faster umts...
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Mr. Cain,
I've argued with you a few times in the past, but you have truly won my most sincere respect in your research and admitting you were mistaken concerning wireless data speeds. It's not an easy thing to admit when you are wrong, but your retraction is to be lauded!
While driving at highway speeds (65mph), through a commercially-launched EVDO system, performing over 30 handoffs, the AVERAGE throughput was been in the 500-600kbps. Performing stationary testing off a site in a single dominant pilot with RSSI of -45dBm (an incredibly strong signal), no multipath, no handoffs, we typically see throughput between 700-800kbps. However, we have seen a few trials AVERAGE 1.7Mbps.
It is impressive!!
I've argued with you a few times in the past, but you have truly won my most sincere respect in your research and admitting you were mistaken concerning wireless data speeds. It's not an easy thing to admit when you are wrong, but your retraction is to be lauded!
While driving at highway speeds (65mph), through a commercially-launched EVDO system, performing over 30 handoffs, the AVERAGE throughput was been in the 500-600kbps. Performing stationary testing off a site in a single dominant pilot with RSSI of -45dBm (an incredibly strong signal), no multipath, no handoffs, we typically see throughput between 700-800kbps. However, we have seen a few trials AVERAGE 1.7Mbps.
It is impressive!!
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I would just like to thank you for providing an actual link rather than just pulling numbers out of your @ss. It's a refreshing change
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CainMarko said:
UMTS is delivering as promised however.
I will admit however that the initial launch of UMTS in 2001 was met with several "hiccups" that have been smoothed out so to speak. There are 3 different technologies for UMTS/3GSM: FDD-WCDMA, td-cdma(UMTS TDD) and TD-SCDMA. ALL are out-performing 3G technologies offered by CDMA.
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I just breifly scanned that article, but correct me if I am wrong, the article said that the at&t 3g was using edge cards for the trial, and those numbers are in-line with current edge data transfer rates
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No, they give free EDGE cards when the people travel outside the markets that do have the UMTS active.
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youre kidding right!?!
VZW broadband access hasnt launched nationwide and wont until the end of the year!!!
We currently run on our 1x network with a burst rate of 144kbps and an average speed of 60-80kbps!
Our Broadband access will run between 300-500kbps much faster than any of the GSM companies data rates right now!!!
Cain you really need to do some research on VZW bc you are way off base on many subjects bro.
VZW broadband access hasnt launched nationwide and wont until the end of the year!!!
We currently run on our 1x network with a burst rate of 144kbps and an average speed of 60-80kbps!
Our Broadband access will run between 300-500kbps much faster than any of the GSM companies data rates right now!!!
Cain you really need to do some research on VZW bc you are way off base on many subjects bro.
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The simple fact that in the United States EV-DO is faster than UMTS. That's a given. In the distant future there may be upgrades to UMTS and/or EV-DO which might well make one faster than the other. However, right now EV-DO is the better data service as it has already been proven. The link to the article I posted with one of my previous posts shown studies done in one of the EV-DO and UMTS markets by Verizon Wireless and AWE, respectively. EV-DO came out on top. Also, as for speeds in Europe, who in the hell cares. People are generally worried about the United States in this situation which as I said before EV-DO came out on top beating UMTS.
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ummmm.... ev-do is relased here:
* Washington, DC
* San Diego, CA
* Las Vegas, NV
* New York, NY
* Philadelphia, PA
* Miami-Fort Lauderdale, FL
* Atlanta, GA
* Los Angeles, CA
* Austin, TX
* Kansas City, MO
* Baltimore, MD
* Tampa, FL
* West Palm Beach, FL
* Milwaukee, WI
compared to att's umts
in 6 cities: Dallas, San Diego, Detroit, Phoenix, San Francisco and Seattle
You keep saying that UMTS is slower than ev-do based on ATT's UMTS. which is a whopping 100kbps slower... WOW, that's about an eye blinks difference. However, you guys have to realize ONE thing. THAT is not the UMTS that will be released in the future. Cingular and Lucent are releasing all of the f...
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* Washington, DC
* San Diego, CA
* Las Vegas, NV
* New York, NY
* Philadelphia, PA
* Miami-Fort Lauderdale, FL
* Atlanta, GA
* Los Angeles, CA
* Austin, TX
* Kansas City, MO
* Baltimore, MD
* Tampa, FL
* West Palm Beach, FL
* Milwaukee, WI
compared to att's umts
in 6 cities: Dallas, San Diego, Detroit, Phoenix, San Francisco and Seattle
You keep saying that UMTS is slower than ev-do based on ATT's UMTS. which is a whopping 100kbps slower... WOW, that's about an eye blinks difference. However, you guys have to realize ONE thing. THAT is not the UMTS that will be released in the future. Cingular and Lucent are releasing all of the f...
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and you need to realize that this is only the 1st revision of EV-Do there are numerous versionsthat it can morph into, like the version Sprint was originally looking at bc it would allow for video conferencing, we will arrive at that venture soon enough. UMTS will not beat out EV-Do.
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here's some research YOU need to do... ever heard of HSDPA?
When I say "UMTS", i am also including HSDPA. Because Cingular's plans are for BOTH to be released. ATT never had plans for HSPDA. Even the mythical ev-dv is SLOWER than HSPDA. UMTS is a voice AND data technology that would be the GSM alternative for CDMA 2000. UMTS is initially being released for DATA only, but will eventually be used for voice when HSDPA is released. HSDPA would be the GSM alternative for ev-do and ev-dv.
Here's the FACTS:
UMTS has better voice capabiliies than CDMA 2000, but CURRENTLY has SLIGHTLY slower data speeds. However, UMTS is a more STABLE technology and ev-do's "bursts" have been labeled dangerous by some experts.
HSDPA has FAR superior data ca...
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When I say "UMTS", i am also including HSDPA. Because Cingular's plans are for BOTH to be released. ATT never had plans for HSPDA. Even the mythical ev-dv is SLOWER than HSPDA. UMTS is a voice AND data technology that would be the GSM alternative for CDMA 2000. UMTS is initially being released for DATA only, but will eventually be used for voice when HSDPA is released. HSDPA would be the GSM alternative for ev-do and ev-dv.
Here's the FACTS:
UMTS has better voice capabiliies than CDMA 2000, but CURRENTLY has SLIGHTLY slower data speeds. However, UMTS is a more STABLE technology and ev-do's "bursts" have been labeled dangerous by some experts.
HSDPA has FAR superior data ca...
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