I don't think that's true... the fundamentals (low churn rate, high customer adds, good reputation, good execution) all seem to point Verizon's way.

Cingular will have to step it up a notch to avoid being overtaken in customer count.

Quality isnt something that comes overnight giftwrapped, VZW worked for it...Cingular not so much!

I hate Cingular

it took them how long???? and they are number 2??? makes me laugh 🤣

Get it straight buddy, Cingular didn't pass us because their quality, they passed us because they bought an atrocious company with 20 million subscribers, we had yall almost doubled up chief!

People seem to forget that Verizon is just a big hodge podge of other companies as well. I purchased my first cell phone from Cellular One and then I had Airtouch and then I had Verizon and then I had . . . . what will be next? Oh, by the way, through 3 companies, my phone number hasn't changed and you know local number portability hasn't been around that long.

So, I assume that these companies will continue to leap frog each other as they swallow up the smaller guys.

To tell the truth, both companies suck (I can say that because I have service with both) and will continue to suck until there is a cell tower in every lamp post and I can use my cell phone with landline quality in the basement of my cabin up north in the woods on a rem...
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1) i'm not your chief
2) Cingular IS #1 because they are SMART!

1) great comeback
2) thats it

1) it was, wasn't it 😁 😁
2) good thing you agree

1) youre not that smart
2) can you hear me now?

1) youre has an "'" between the you and re. in another word its "you're"
2) learn some grammer before posting 😁
3) can't hear you (must be using vz)

grammer

🙄

lol...c'mon people learn to spell...it's GRAMMAR not GRAMMER...last time I checked, spelling was just as important as grammar.. 😎 ...especially if you're going to bash someone for their mistakes... 😉

And would you have even noticed that it was spelled wrong if OverMuch hadn't already pointed it out? Probably not. 😉

Don't take credit for what OverMuch pointed out first. Its just not cool. 😎

LoL...wasn't taking credit for what he pointed out because I didn't even read your post...

Think of it as reinforcing what he pointed out 😉

Oh, and come to think of it, I was responding to PROTEL's post...not yours. And I probably would have noticed it in yours...because...well..I'm a girl, and I notice these things 🙄 but it's all good cos I don't want to get in an argument over nothing 😁

Another opps. You were talking about PROTEL's post to begin with right? I'm sorry. Ok...nuff said on this topic for me 😕

Yeah I was. Its all good though. 🙂

It's like painting your house. You can buy quality paint, and you can buy inferior paint. And you can buy frozen, seperated, 10 year-old paint from a goodwill store and end up doing more damage than good. That's akin to what Cingular has done in the ATW purchase. There was a good article in RCR News last week pointing out the difficulties Cigular will have picking up and using the crappy old paint that is AT&T Wireless.

Epik

Huh? Vodaphone has way more customers than 42 million. What are you talking about? Vodaphone isn't even in the U.S. at all. VZW was made by mergers....back in 2000 just like Cingular was almost 8 months after VZW was started. VZW SINCE then has made a customer base of 42 million with no signifigant mergers. Cingular had 25 million and AT&T at 21 million. What are you talking about?

As most of us know Verizon was created by many merges of seperate companies in 2000 (I think it was actually 1999). From the time that Verizon started, they were using CDMA technology, although analog still worked. There was no technology switch for any of the individual companies. The former companies used analog and when Verizon was created they created a more powerful CDMA network. They went from poor technology to better techonology. Most of Cingular and AT&Ts problems came from the migration from their unbelievable TDMA networks to their "newborn" GSM networks. They went from great networks to networks that had the potential to be great but weren't yet. THAT is the reason why Cingular and AT&T never really got the s...
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So do you think T-Mobile could be/will be bought by VZW?

Ummmm...doubtful since T-Mobile uses GSM technology and Verizon uses CDMA. Sorry.

I know they run off of two different frequencies. What I meant, is something like AT&T had/has with TDMA/GSM technology some people had TDMA, some people had GSM. They even had a phone that used both.

Just another way to bring more people in. Maybe they could get more companies to make CDMA & GSM phones. Could usher in a whole new problem for Cingular. 😎

Its still very doubtful to me. As you probably have noticed, many Verizon "fans" and employees love to bash GSM technology. I can't see the company taking on a GSM carrier to supply both technologies to customers because its seems as though the reps that bash GSM get their ideas from Verizon itself. I don't think Verizon believes T-Mobile is a worthy enough network for them either. Its kind of funny though because Vodafone has a HUGE stake in Verizon and if I remember correctly, they use GSM technology.

That's business for you. 🙄

I can't speak for other VZW employees, but I bash GSM because, as a long-time AT&T customer who was happy with TDMA (but not AT&T's customer service), I didn't appreciate being "ushered" (not pushed, but close) into GSM when I couldn't use it standing on the side of the street in the dead-middle of a city with no building over 5 stories and a line-of-site shot to the AT&T tower. It only happens that my AT&T contract was up at the time I started with Verizon, but I was going to go to Verizon anyway. Lucky me! I'm proud to be one of the 2.3 million customers who left AT&T last quarter, and even more glad I'm not a Cingular customer today. GSM or CDMA aside, I'm glad to be with Verizon both as a customer AND an employee.

Epik

I haven't bashed GSM technology. On the contrary I can't wait to see the upcoming changes brought about by the competition between VZW and the New Cingular. However, when someone makes a goofy statement like speck did about VZW getting it's customers from Vodaphone as the reason we had such high adds this past quarter? I am going to comment, because that is an out and out crock of misinformation if I have ever seen any. Then again, you already knew this about me from debates in the past RUFF.

Read my posts more carefully...

also dont forget that one reason why AT&T is TDMA and GSM is because GSM is based off of TDMA technology, they are similar except that GSM has a higher call capacity per channel however CDMA is still higher. Thats why VZW will never buy out T-Mobile, if anything VZW would go for Sprint but then that would eliminate any major CDMA competitors. Verizon and Sprint are the only two CDMA carriers that own coast to coast networks.

Actually if you pay attention to facts you would know Vodaphone contributed ZERO customers to our 42 million base. ZERO!!!! We bought numerous "mom and pop" cell companies to expand calling areas in very remote regions where it was not financially feasible to invest in building new towers.

You want an example?!? VZW has purchased the Quest Wireless division of Quest Comm. We DID NOT take their customer base...only the network to imporove our northwestern coverage.

GET A CLUE!!!

you need a hug...a role model or something

you need to do research before angering me

jdhilzdsp said:
you need to do research before angering me

But once you do the research, feel free to anger him 😉

yep 😎

That wasn't the case when Verizon was CREATED. Verizon might be buying only networks now, but in the beginnings of Verizon, various companies merged together, INCLUDING the customers. You said it as if Verizon was in existence already and bought other companies. Not true, entirely seperate companies agreed to come together to create Verizon.

yes but was it 20 million being added to 20 million and then taklking a big game about how great we are bc we are the largest bc we bought someone else....STFU

Was the STFU really necessary? I don't see any difference between 5+ companies merging to create Verizon and 1 company buying another. Either way they both got their 40+ million customers.

Kind of ironic that Vodaphone was the only contender left in the bidding when AT&T was being auctioned off. What were they doing?...Planning on knocking out one of Verizon's competitors?

So really now...who needs to "STFU"?

you 😁

yeah...STFU

Hold on a minute there RUFF. In April of 2000 when VZW was formed we did not have 40 million customers, no where near that. Afterwards due to a agressive ad campaign with VZW's Test Man as the leading star of the commercials did VZW start to become the monster that it is now. VZW worked hard to get where it is, and it will continue to work hard in the future to reclaim its rightful title. That you can bank on.

I WISH THE TEST MAN WOULD DIE 😈

I never suggested that they did, and I apologize if it sounded that way. I was simply stating that the joint ventures of the "originals" gave Verizon its start. Some people were trying to suggest that Verizon was in existence long before 2000 and just purchased other companies along the way.

There is a big difference. Those companies came together to for A NEW COMPANY. Verizon was a new company with new leadership and new ideas. It also had NO WHERE NEAR the 41 million customers it has now.

Cingular was also "born" shortly after Verizon in the same manner. Verizon has managed to get to 40 million while Cingular was only at 20 (I know those aren't exact).

Now Cingular has simply merged with another company. They are still Cingular. No new leadership or new ideas. The same company... they just got a bunch more customers and some more coverage. Cingular and Verizon both did the same thing in the beginning. Verizon got where they are with no help. Cingular had to merge with another company it's own size to just barel...
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VERIZON WILL STILL BE NUMBER ONE!!!

Cingular will be transfering their technology to GSM which will minimize their covergage area to that of T-Mobile...a spaghetti network... their technology as compared to Verizon's CDMA network is more widespead, can handle for call volumes for less dropped calls, and and has faster data connection speeds. Verizon has the #1 customer service and #1 in revenue and #1 in customer base and #1 in network...and shall remain #1 in everything else... Verizon knows how to sucessfully run their business. They maybe a little more expensive than other carriers...but as the old saying goes.."You egt what you pay for"

I totally agree.

Sorry about the typos...was in a hurry.

Do you realize that Cingular's OWNED digital coverage (GSM alone) was actually LARGER than Verizon's even before the merge? And now after the merge it is obviously even larger. Within a few years analog will be phased out (by the governemnt) and unless Verizon starts building out their digital network where analog fills those gaping holes...they will be the ones reduced to a spahgetti network. They're customer base isn't #1 anymore either. #1 customer service? I'd say that title now belongs to T-Mobile. I will give you #1 in revenue though. That's what the company is getting when you to pay the bill.

All of the actual network that Verizon owns is already digital. The enhanced services area which is where 1x is is all of Verizon's network. It's some of the roaming partners that make up the America's Choice map that are still using Analog. Verizon can't do much about them.

Verizon has the largest coverage due to three different signals... 800 mhz digital, 1900 mhz digital, and then the analog which is only used in rural areas. Analog only consists of about 15% of the coverage network. Verizon is the only company who puts more money back into the expansion of its network than any other to continue to be the largest in coverage... as far as customer service goes...there was a survey that found that T-Mobile was #1 but that was based on ease of the 1-800 menu functions...but overall customer service is still #1 with Verizon...they have IN STORE customer service only reps... that help out with everything...as well as the 1800 lines...go into t-mobile and ask for Cust service reps...they will give you a 1800 #...ha...
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Understand what you are saying.

If Verizon has the largest COMPLETE network (analog and digital) then if 15% of it is analog, that is a pretty large portion. 15% of a larger network is a bigger portion than 15% of a smaller network. It doesn't matter to me, and I'm sure many others, anyway. What I care about is the digital signal, and on that, Cingular has Verizon beat. 😉

Wow, the reasoning behind this argument is fairly childish. Paraphrasing: You're only good because you bought your way there. As if actually focusing on the quality of your product means nothing. As if consistency and actually caring that the customer has the best possible experience means nothing. Who cares where you got your initial stock of customers when you maintain a high number of customers while blowing the rest of the market to pieces with new customers? Verizon may have merged and purchased, even to the same extent as others sometimes, but the proof of Verizon's worth is in what they DO with those acquired customers and what they do to keep customers happy with their service. The whole argument that one can only claim greatne...
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Bravo! Very well said and phrased, Epik!! 😁

Alright, Apparently my message was not read... I never said VZW gained it customer's base from the buyouts... VZW gained it's network through maticulous buyouts in which turn produced customers... Nevertheless VZW has bought into it's coverage many times... The fact the Cingular bought ATTWS doesn't matter... the fact is that Cingular is where they are now through a merger... VZW is where they are now through a series of buyouts... It's all smart business.

My comment was just stating that Baka Neko made it seem like VZW was above purchasing anybody and that they built their entire network from the ground up... which is just not the case.

Does this clear things up?

On a sidenote... Vodafone is in the United States, VZW dramatically ...
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It wasn't until AFTER the vodafone arrangement that Verizon hit it's 42 million customer base.

Vodaphone is not in the U.S. If they were it would be like DuCommo(sp?) coming in with T-Mobile still in business. Vodaphone is a major backer of VZW. Vodaphone is in other countries, not the U.S.

Vodafone is more than a backer providing/helping VZW get it's claim in the western regions... I am aware Vodafone is an int'l carrier but their impact in the US wireless industry cannot be written off... they have shares and agreements w/ many US carriers as well as some towers if i'm not mistaken... Also bidding against Cingular for ATTWS... They may not offer service in the US... but are definitely behind the scenes in the US wireless industry.... Therefore... in the US.

Behind the scenes and offering service/having actual customers are 2 different things. How can you say that a company that has 0 customers and 0 presense as far as actual service can add to VZW totals? Think about what you are saying. VZW got to where it is now by doing what it does best. Providing a fantastic service to its customers.

Cingular did not "let" ATTWS build their network just to buy it... Cingular has worked hard on having the best GSM network in the USA... ATTWS announced it's selling... Cingular saw an opportunity and went with it... Smart business yes but it's not like Cingular was just waiting for this moment since they launched.

i stand corrected 🙂