Verizon coverage changes with buyout??
I've noticed a lot of "buzz" on the buyout of Ramcell by Verizon.
That added to the FCC mandate to "turn off" the analog coverage has me wondering about coverage in the future. Case in point: SE Oregon and E. Oregon are mostly extended analog. I suppose that most of these areas are partner agreements (possibly the old Ramcell).
In any case, what's going to happen with this area and other rural areas in the West when these frequencies get turned off?
I think that ATT/Cingular is probably the only carrier that covers the area (Digitally) thru maybe US Cellular??
Do you think Verizon will convert existing sites to digital? It seems to me, that would be a huge investment and take some time. Perhaps they've already done it and ...
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That added to the FCC mandate to "turn off" the analog coverage has me wondering about coverage in the future. Case in point: SE Oregon and E. Oregon are mostly extended analog. I suppose that most of these areas are partner agreements (possibly the old Ramcell).
In any case, what's going to happen with this area and other rural areas in the West when these frequencies get turned off?
I think that ATT/Cingular is probably the only carrier that covers the area (Digitally) thru maybe US Cellular??
Do you think Verizon will convert existing sites to digital? It seems to me, that would be a huge investment and take some time. Perhaps they've already done it and ...
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Living in a primarily analog area, I can tell you that Verizon is being pretty aggressive about converting it to digital. We've had several towns make the switch in the last 6 months or so.
Having said that, the FCC is just giving carriers permission to shut off analog. It doesn't necessarily mean analog will be shut off. I would imagine that it will stay on in the necessary areas until Verizon can get digital service in those areas.
Having said that, the FCC is just giving carriers permission to shut off analog. It doesn't necessarily mean analog will be shut off. I would imagine that it will stay on in the necessary areas until Verizon can get digital service in those areas.
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Excellent clarification on "permission". Perhaps the way to go then is still a phone with analog support (which are getting fewer and harder to find).
Thanks
Thanks
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dog_n_pony said:
Perhaps the way to go then is still a phone with analog support (which are getting fewer and harder to find).
Not necessarily. The LG 5400 just released last week for VZW with analog (it's a trimode phone), and I think the Moto 325xi, which is coming soon, will also have analog.
Guess trimode phones ain't dead yet.
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just thought i'd post this...its off of infocenter so i think its pretty accurate, they will be shutting down all analog networks on Feb 18th, 2008:
"Analog Network Retiring - Direct Mailers
Status: Archived 8/19/2007 2:41:53 AM (ET)
posted: 6/11/2007 12:32:46 PM (ET)
No effective date entered
"As of February 18, 2008, the FCC will allow all wireless carriers to retire their existing analog networks.
VZW will be retiring our analog network on the February 18, 2008 shutdown date.
Consumer Customers with Analog and Unknown handsets will receive a second letter the week of June 11.
· Customers can get a free Samsung U340 or Pantech PN300
· The free handset requires a 1 YR contract renewal
· Customers who are l...
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"Analog Network Retiring - Direct Mailers
Status: Archived 8/19/2007 2:41:53 AM (ET)
posted: 6/11/2007 12:32:46 PM (ET)
No effective date entered
"As of February 18, 2008, the FCC will allow all wireless carriers to retire their existing analog networks.
VZW will be retiring our analog network on the February 18, 2008 shutdown date.
Consumer Customers with Analog and Unknown handsets will receive a second letter the week of June 11.
· Customers can get a free Samsung U340 or Pantech PN300
· The free handset requires a 1 YR contract renewal
· Customers who are l...
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That's really going to screw up anyone that relies on the analog coverage for SE/E Oregon and surrounding areas. I think it's one of the largest areas in the US still covered by Verizon's analog agreements.
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yah i think its kind of strange, but if its extended network/roaming coverage it will probably depend on the carrier that the roaming agreement is with on whether or not they shut the analog off as its not verizon's network.
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dog_n_pony said:
That's really going to screw up anyone that relies on the analog coverage for SE/E Oregon and surrounding areas. I think it's one of the largest areas in the US still covered by Verizon's analog agreements.
Two things on that:
1- Even if VZW shuts off its analog network, that doesn't mean that its roaming partners will do the same. US Cellular seems to be the big cheese in Southern Oregon anyhow, I go there almost every year (Medford/Ashland area), and it seems like I'm roaming on them a lot when I'm there.
2- There does seem to be more digital coverage in Southern Oregon now. In late '05 when I went there, my trimode Nokia 6256 was switching to analog a lot, and that was the only way...
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You stated "they will be shutting down all analog networks on Feb 18th, 2008"
The FCC stated that they "will allow all wireless carriers to retire their existing analog networks."
Big difference between "will be shutting down" and being **allowed** to do so. If they have no replacement coverage, logic tells me that they will not shut down the systems.
Gregg Hill
The FCC stated that they "will allow all wireless carriers to retire their existing analog networks."
Big difference between "will be shutting down" and being **allowed** to do so. If they have no replacement coverage, logic tells me that they will not shut down the systems.
Gregg Hill
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if you read the post more carefully verizon states explicitly "VZW will be retiring our analog network on the February 18, 2008 shutdown date." that text is pulled directly from an internal verizon site aptly called infocenter...ya know as in the "center" for verizon "info"
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If I got more sleep, I would have seen that! Thank you for pointing it out to me.
My best advice for young people: don't get old...the brain is the second thing to go!
Gregg Hill
My best advice for young people: don't get old...the brain is the second thing to go!
Gregg Hill
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🙂 sorry if i sounded like a jerk...i was tired and pissy when i replied to that...so nothing personal
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The lack of intonation or gestures (body language) in email or forum posts can cause problems. In your case, perhaps a little different wording would have been more appropriate, such as "You missed the part about...," but I am thoroughly impressed that you were man enough to apologize.
I applaud you.
Gregg Hill
I applaud you.
Gregg Hill
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Well, if being courteous instead of being a complete jerk makes you vomit, then the best I can do is hold the bucket for you and hope that you have good aim.
Gregg Hill
Gregg Hill
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"In Oregon, Verizon Wireless will enhance the existing CDMA network with EV-DO Rev. A technology, which offers broadband data speeds for accessing the Internet and e-mail, and downloading music, games and video. The enhanced service is expected to launch by the middle of next year."
I know VZW has poured about 150-170 million into Oregon over the last two quarters which is a TON of money. My guess is that they're converting to all digital in prep for the shutdown.
I know VZW has poured about 150-170 million into Oregon over the last two quarters which is a TON of money. My guess is that they're converting to all digital in prep for the shutdown.
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unless I read it wrong they are not being mandated to shut down anything!! They are allowed to and have chosen to themselves. Alltel I belive will keep analog running until further notice. Unless they changed their stance recently!
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wombough said:
unless I read it wrong they are not being mandated to shut down anything!! They are allowed to and have chosen to themselves. Alltel I belive will keep analog running until further notice. Unless they changed their stance recently!
Alltel is not in the position that Verizon is in to dump crap loads of cash into their newtork. Even then, they roam off of Verizon's network so why not let the big guy do all the grunt work, sit back and reap the benefit? 😁
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Alltel is in the best position right now they are owned by a large financial group with tons of moeny! Second alltel does not roam off verizon unless sprint is not there. They both had a falling out when verizon would not open up their EVDO network for roaming. Verizon need alltel more then alltel need verizon as sprint is in about as many places as verizon is but neither are in places that alltel are in meaning rural areas. Most of alltels network is EVDO and roam with sprint for EVDO.
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.. You really have almost no idea how wireless services work, yet you keep posting like you do anyways. Verizon Wireless does not even "need" Alltel. The roaming areas added by alltel are almost entirely overlaped by other small carriers that VZW can make agreements with. Alltel's coverage area that VZW uses is also in rural areas that are hardly even needed for maintaining a customer base. VZW needs coverage in population dense areas... you know, the places or dont offer service in? The population dense areas where they need roaming agreements in there are normally multiple CDMA carriers to use.
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primus said:
.. Verizon Wireless does not even "need" Alltel. The roaming areas added by alltel are almost entirely overlaped by other small carriers that VZW can make agreements with..
That *REALLY* depends on the area. In my state, only other carrier that is CDMA is alltel, so we depend on eachother quite a bit.
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