bizkitsngravy said:

Digital Pimp said:

Let's see 42+ million customers and your leaving because we don't have a phone u like. Verizon does has nokia phones still out there... But oh well, when you go to sprint and get more dropped calls then you had before because it is NOT THE SAME TECHNOLOGY, you will see the light. Happy trails... 🙄

Well both Verizon and Sprint are CDMA carriers, which is what I think they meant. Sprint only operates in the 1900mhz range though, if I'm not mistaken, and VZW operates in 800, 1900, and amps. Though I believe both can still use analog roam IF you have a phone that is not *all digital*.

Didn't VZW just update their network to cdma2000 with 1

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Don't the "all digital" phones though not have analog capabilities? Like the LG VX-4500 is all digital, it's only a dual band 800/1900 mhz cdma phone. It can't read amps. Amps isn't considered digital, though correct? Where as for Example the LG VX-6100 is a tri band phone, which has 800amps capabilities. It's not considered an all digital phone, but it can roam.

Just like the "IN". The map is much smaller for "IN" because subscribers have to be on Verizons all digital network. they can't be roaming. If they were roaming and call another VZW customer, not only would the airtime not be free, but they'd incur roaming costs too, say if they were on the America's choice plan.

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You're right, AMPS is an analog technology, not digital. However, I don't know about the IN-calling map being "much smaller" than the regular one these days... the reps would know better, but what is seems to boil down to is you not being able to IN-Call in the boondocks. Here in California, what its meant to me is that I can't IN-call in the Southern Sierras, pretty much. I go there maybe twice a year.

Technically, an all-digital phone does have less coverage than a tri-mode phone. Whether that matters to you is dependent on how much of a premium you put on boondocks coverage. I personally would want it in case I break down way out in a rural area, but I don't think I'd be using my analog 'cept once in a blue moon.

You're absolutely right

There are obviously spots yet where only analog coverage reaches, which would be roaming. I assume no business liscenses are held in that market even though extended coverage reaches there for exsiting customers. So, nobody that resides in those areas especially couldn't get VZW and use it effeciently and effectively in their area. I'm sure also there are parts of the country, too where digital coverage reaches that local residents aren't able to establish local cellular service.

What I'm curious about, I know how it works with T-Mobile, which I'm sure it's similar, but not exactly the same. Though we do not ever charge roaming fee's on a NW plan, you have to be on a T-Mobile network for certain features to be ...
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bizkitsngravy said:
There are obviously spots yet where only analog coverage reaches, which would be roaming. I assume no business liscenses are held in that market even though extended coverage reaches there for exsiting customers. So, nobody that resides in those areas especially couldn't get VZW and use it effeciently and effectively in their area.

Mmm... not exactly. Verizon has a national plan called Singlerate which has no roaming fees. I assume its mainly for rural customers who roam a lot and don't want to be killed by roaming fees.

Of course start out with the IN and it's pretty small compared to the network on the whole.

Honestly, its not. Take a look for yourself:

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Well I didn't mean that people *couldn't* get it, and I know about singlerate....but say I live in Podunk, or Boondock, CA and I want to get VZW. I doubt a local number could be generated for me, and eve if it could, would I be forced to get the more expensive singlerate plan if I didn't want to pay $0.69/min for roaming because it's the only type of coverage where I live?

Good point on the network size, too. It would be silly to argue that T-Mobile has a larger network. Excuse my sarcasm for just a moment, but this topic is sooooooooooooooooooooo old lol. If you've kept up with the T-Mobile forum at all, its almost to the point nothing more can be said as just about every aspect has been covered lol, and everyone who has had something t...
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bizkitsngravy said:
Well I didn't mean that people *couldn't* get it, and I know about singlerate....but say I live in Podunk, or Boondock, CA and I want to get VZW. I doubt a local number could be generated for me, and eve if it could, would I be forced to get the more expensive singlerate plan if I didn't want to pay $0.69/min for roaming because it's the only type of coverage where I live?

Not a service rep, but I would think that if you live in the boondocks you could go either way, since if you were on America's Choice they would make bank off your roaming. If that's not the case, someone please correct me.

Singlerate vs AC (when you know you're gonna roam) in the boondocks isn't a fun choice, but it...
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bizkitsngravy said:
VZW and TMo are just 2 VERY different companies. Different agenda, different target customer, different stratagies etc...I believe the one thing everyone is starting to finally realize is T-Mobile USA is just one of several subsidiaries under Deutsch Telekom.

*snip*

Different providers offer different solutions. Why not focus on what a company does have instead of what it doesnt? Perhaps you'll find you may fit into something you never thought you would. That also really goes for anything, not just wireless service 🙂

I think I've figured it out--TMobile is "blue" and VZW is "red!" TMobile emphasizes network strength in metropolitan areas with accent on nationwide plans that su...
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Here's something else we may all start seeing more of in the near future: wholesellers. If you want to talk coverage, look at Alltel. They are only considered a regional carrier because they only have business liscences in the southeast. However, if you pull up their map it's just as big as VZW's. They as well have a National Freedon (America's choice) and Total Freedom (Singlerate). The two almost mimic themselves they are so similar in comparison. However, to my understanding, a large portion of what Alltel offers is VZW's network they are wholeselling. They are doing business as Alltel, have their own subscriber base, but have no network of their own. Very similar to tracfone who just because our first wholeseller.
Whatcha think on that...
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bizkitsngravy said:
They are doing business as Alltel, have their own subscriber base, but have no network of their own. Very similar to tracfone who just because our first wholeseller.

Huh?

I could be wrong here, but I thought Alltel had assets of their own... they recently bought some from US Cellular and from the forced Cingular divestiture after the Cingy/ATTW merger. They don't seem to be a MVNO like Tracfone.

If I'm smokin' crack though, someone give me the 411.

Oh, and happy New Year's, btw 🙂

Happy New Years to you, too!

Well, I don't know much about Alltel as far as a business, I suppose if I dug in and did my reserch I'd find the correct answers. It really isn't on the top of my list of priorities, so I'm mainly just going off of the majority of what I've heard other people say, mostly on this site. I didn't think it sounded quite right that they were a MVNO.

The thing at which I was trying to point out, is that Alltels coverage is right up there with VZW's. However, it is a much smaller business, because they are only a regional carrier, however offer good nationwide service. This is made possible I believe by roaming agreements with VZW. Say I lived in California, though coverage would reach me, I could not get an all...
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The In calling is not just on the digital network. This feature applies to the entire americas choice calling area, both VZW owned network and roaming partners aka. extended network, wether it be digital or analog.

Ok cool, thanks....as I said earlier I wasnt sure if it was IN or another service I saw the different map for, so I hunted it down:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/images_b2c/maps/natio ... »

It's the enhanced services. Ok, so I guess my question shuold be revised to ask what is different about this part of the network, that allows these features to only be used on it?

I'm sorry tenuredvzwrep the information you provided is not 100% correct. Not all extended networks are considered "in." Also keep in mind that the recent update (09/27/04) of having some extended networks "in" doesn't apply to all America's PPs, only 0204 or newer.

Most of what you said is correct. When you are out of contract you can pay full retail and go month-to-month and keep your current price plan. If you decide to renew for two yeare you should get 150-200 off the full retail, provided you sign a plan that qualifies. In addition to that, if you have been with VZW for 2 years with a plan of 39.99 or higher, and will resign for another two years, count yourself in for another $100 off when you go thru a corporate direct channel. Now , although I am in sales and biased a little, I don't know any carrier that hacks an extra $100 off the upgrade pricing. I could be wrong but this is a strong selling point that made me sign with VZW to begin with, along with kick-ass coverage & above average cu...
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I wanted to thank you for the information you provided me with.

🙄 No Problem 😁

Let us know you final decision 😉

Do you that Cingular and T-Mobile using GSM have an easier time going through buildings that have a lot of metal in them. It seems that my Verizon Lg Vx-6000 doesn't can barely get a signal.
Tell what you think.
Thanks!

I don't necessarily think it is the phone or structure you are just having the problem with. Though,yes, there are definately geographic/topographic/man-made obstructions which can hinder cell phone signals.

It really depends on what the structure is, and what frequency your carrier uses in that area. For example, though VZW uses AMPS, 800/1900 CDMA, that doesn't mean all 3 exist everywhere. It depends on what liscences the house in what areas for spectrum. Also, a large part of that determination why a certain frequency is in one area and not another is what they believe will be the best choice; all 3 have their advantages and dis-advantages.

AMPS is becoming lesser and lesser now-a-days, because it is not digital, costly to mainta...
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Thank you for all the info you supplied me with, unless Verizon comes out with some "excellent phones" in the nexy three months, I'm switching to Cingular.
My 1 year contract is up 1/17/05, I'll just go month to month and see what Verizon will have to offer.
Thanks agin!