Can You Hack Me Now? GSM no good?
Researchers claim GSM calls can be hacked on the cheap
Posted Feb 21st 2008 10:10PM by Joshua Topolsky
Filed under: GSM, Misc
Callers, your worst nightmare is coming true... maybe. According to a report, a group of hackers at the Black Hat conference in Washington D.C. claim that they're able to hack GSM calls with equipment costing about $1,000. If you believe the team (and we're inclined to at least have a listen), they can decrypt GSM phone conversations and text messages on a network using inexpensive tools called field programmable gate arrays. Until now, the cost of the technology required to hack GSM transmissions has been prohibitively expensive for all but your government and large-scale snooping operations, but that's beginn...
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Posted Feb 21st 2008 10:10PM by Joshua Topolsky
Filed under: GSM, Misc
Callers, your worst nightmare is coming true... maybe. According to a report, a group of hackers at the Black Hat conference in Washington D.C. claim that they're able to hack GSM calls with equipment costing about $1,000. If you believe the team (and we're inclined to at least have a listen), they can decrypt GSM phone conversations and text messages on a network using inexpensive tools called field programmable gate arrays. Until now, the cost of the technology required to hack GSM transmissions has been prohibitively expensive for all but your government and large-scale snooping operations, but that's beginn...
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dang. that sucks. well i'm just they'll find some way to stop that. they always do.
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bigdaddyjay said:...
Researchers claim GSM calls can be hacked on the cheap
Posted Feb 21st 2008 10:10PM by Joshua Topolsky
Filed under: GSM, Misc
Callers, your worst nightmare is coming true... maybe. According to a report, a group of hackers at the Black Hat conference in Washington D.C. claim that they're able to hack GSM calls with equipment costing about $1,000. If you believe the team (and we're inclined to at least have a listen), they can decrypt GSM phone conversations and text messages on a network using inexpensive tools called field programmable gate arrays. Until now, the cost of the technology required to hack GSM transmissions has been prohibitively expensive for all but your government and large-scale
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If that is the case I would make sure you never use a credit card over the phone, do no business over the phone etc. because any scumbag in the US with a $1,000.00 can listen to your calls on GSM 👀
Oh, but you have no life Joe. You share 550 minutes with your blow up doll and have 1900 rollover you will never use in your piggybank. 😳
Oh, but you have no life Joe. You share 550 minutes with your blow up doll and have 1900 rollover you will never use in your piggybank. 😳
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I guess I am tired of hearing about rollover from a guy that never uses his 550 minutes to begin with. It's like having a supercharged Shelby Mustang and never driving it over 45mph.
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lol he said he enjoys his data and text more, but what do i care..each to his own! 😁
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Data? Must be a picture of Data from Star Trek. He also text huh? Probably around 30 text a month to the wife asking whats for dinner 😳
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bigdaddyjay said:
Data? Must be a picture of Data from Star Trek. He also text huh? Probably around 30 text a month to the wife asking whats for dinner 😳
Far less than that. Its easier to just make the call then typing out nonsense back and forth. Texting is for teens. Those are the only people I see ripping their little fingers anxiously on the keyboard.
I'll read them. I won't send them. Just press a button say the name....the phone does the rest...all by pressing one button...not a bunch.
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yeah, i text when in a noisy enviroment, or classroom, or work..... I'm 25. Textin is sweet.
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chainmail311 said:
yeah, i text when in a noisy enviroment, or classroom, or work..... I'm 25. Textin is sweet.
25 is a teen in this day and age.
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AvgJoe said:chainmail311 said:
yeah, i text when in a noisy enviroment, or classroom, or work..... I'm 25. Textin is sweet.
25 is a teen in this day and age.
Wow Joe, guess you would be the one to know!
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bigdaddyjay said:AvgJoe said:chainmail311 said:
yeah, i text when in a noisy enviroment, or classroom, or work..... I'm 25. Textin is sweet.
25 is a teen in this day and age.
Wow Joe, guess you would be the one to know!
Yep..I have Eyes
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Now if you could only work on the brain part of your anatomy...
texting is an easy way to get someone a message when they can't talk or quite frankly just don't want to talk. A text can be typed in 30 seconds. With calls, you never know when you might get stuck on with a blabber mouth for 4-5 minutes.
Sometimes, in certain situations its just easier to text.
And its not just for teens. My mom is 53 and sends/recieves about 200-300 a month. texting USED to be just for teens, but times have changed and now everyone is doing it.
texting is an easy way to get someone a message when they can't talk or quite frankly just don't want to talk. A text can be typed in 30 seconds. With calls, you never know when you might get stuck on with a blabber mouth for 4-5 minutes.
Sometimes, in certain situations its just easier to text.
And its not just for teens. My mom is 53 and sends/recieves about 200-300 a month. texting USED to be just for teens, but times have changed and now everyone is doing it.
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cwcanty said:
Now if you could only work on the brain part of your anatomy...
texting is an easy way to get someone a message when they can't talk or quite frankly just don't want to talk. A text can be typed in 30 seconds. With calls, you never know when you might get stuck on with a blabber mouth for 4-5 minutes.
Sometimes, in certain situations its just easier to text.
And its not just for teens. My mom is 53 and sends/recieves about 200-300 a month. texting USED to be just for teens, but times have changed and now everyone is doing it.
Here is the way my brain works...I do not use as a replacement for a real TWO WAY conversation. I cannot think of too many places where you cannot excuse...
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chainmail311 said:
Is that what old people say to make themselves feel better?
I feel fine. Youth is far too overrated,
Believe me I would not want to be in my 20s again in this world. Not all older people wish they were young. In fact my generation still is very relevant. There were no 60 year old rockers selling out arenas when I was in my 20's. Nope they were the same people who are still relevant today.....Why is that? Because no one could replace them. Or they would have.
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please. 80% of ticket holders for McCartney, The Stones, or the rest of the "should have died when I was thirty" generation of rockers are bought by "rich" 40-60 somethings in order to rekindle the love of rock in the youth.
Will I see the Foo Fighters in concert when I'm 50? Not if the ticket is overpriced. If they show up at a local night club for 10 bucks, that's cool.
Everyone knows rock depreciates in value the older you get. My Dad enjoys Porter Wagner now, and Operatic LP's. "Do people expect me to listen to Zeppelin from age 20-60? I sure hope not."-My Dad
Just food for thought. Being 25 rocks, by the way. I still enjoy eating whatever I want and not gaining weight. I should probably cut that back soon, however.
Will I see the Foo Fighters in concert when I'm 50? Not if the ticket is overpriced. If they show up at a local night club for 10 bucks, that's cool.
Everyone knows rock depreciates in value the older you get. My Dad enjoys Porter Wagner now, and Operatic LP's. "Do people expect me to listen to Zeppelin from age 20-60? I sure hope not."-My Dad
Just food for thought. Being 25 rocks, by the way. I still enjoy eating whatever I want and not gaining weight. I should probably cut that back soon, however.
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please. 80% of ticket holders for McCartney, The Stones, or the rest of the "should have died when I was thirty" generation of rockers are bought by "rich" 40-60 somethings in order to rekindle the love of rock in the youth.
Will I see the Foo Fighters in concert when I'm 50? Not if the ticket is overpriced. If they show up at a local night club for 10 bucks, that's cool.
Everyone knows rock depreciates in value the older you get. My Dad enjoys Porter Wagner now, and Operatic LP's. "Do people expect me to listen to Zeppelin from age 20-60? I sure hope not."-My Dad
Just food for thought. Being 25 rocks, by the way. I still enjoy eating whatever I want and not gaining weight. I should probably cu
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Did you hate life when you were 25 or something? I love this age. I've never really hated any age, however.
I'm enjoying eating whatever I want. Hell yes, I am. It's wonderful. I haven't gained any extra weight. It's so much fun. Eating Wendys at 3 am, cheesecake, fat fat fat. Why, just the other day I ate an entire can of crisco, just to spite you!
If you don't think that's a large benefit, then you don't like food very much.
I'm enjoying eating whatever I want. Hell yes, I am. It's wonderful. I haven't gained any extra weight. It's so much fun. Eating Wendys at 3 am, cheesecake, fat fat fat. Why, just the other day I ate an entire can of crisco, just to spite you!
If you don't think that's a large benefit, then you don't like food very much.
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chainmail311 said:
Did you hate life when you were 25 or something? I love this age. I've never really hated any age, however.
I'm enjoying eating whatever I want. Hell yes, I am. It's wonderful. I haven't gained any extra weight. It's so much fun. Eating Wendys at 3 am, cheesecake, fat fat fat. Why, just the other day I ate an entire can of crisco, just to spite you!
If you don't think that's a large benefit, then you don't like food very much.
I loved 25. I could turn on the radio and hear LEd Zepplin followed by James Tayler, Allman Brothers followed by Boston followed by Earth Wind and FIre.....all on one station. The choices in music were amazing. Today you turn on the radio and hear nothing bu...
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look for "Avocado Memories". My Dad's site about growing up in Burbank in the late 60's, early 70's.
I love the '00's. I can turn on my iPod and have instant access to my 500 cd collection with generally lossless sound. (and I have a massive collection of classic rock. Best of Zepp, Jimi, Doors, ELO, CCR, BoC, Allman Brothers, etc.)
I can call or text any of my friends (all of which have a cell phone) and instantly connect with them. I can call my folks at the touch of a button and reminesce with my Dad. I don't even have a landline.
I can go to the local arcade and still play classic Donkey Kong or Mario on a huge old box, or I can use an emulator on my laptop and play the same game for free all night whereever ...
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look for "Avocado Memories". My Dad's site about growing up in Burbank in the late 60's, early 70's.
I love the '00's. I can turn on my iPod and have instant access to my 500 cd collection with generally lossless sound. (and I have a massive collection of classic rock. Best of Zepp, Jimi, Doors, ELO, CCR, BoC, Allman Brothers, etc.)
I can call or text any of my friends (all of which have a cell phone) and instantly connect with them. I can call my folks at the touch of a button and reminesce with my Dad. I don't even have a landline.
I can go to the local arcade and still play classic Donkey Kong or Mario on a huge old box, or I can use an emulator on my laptop and play the same game for free all night whereever ...
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I have $500,000 Liability/uninsured/under insured plus Comp and collision insurance and send them a check for $1200 a year. Most people only by minimum liability coverage.
When you speak of toys and games. Yeah they are better today technically. Today's 20 somethings seem to be more concerned with prestige and outward appearances. The whole "cell phone as a fashion" statement epitomizes that. I have read will peopl will pass on a phone that has all of what they wanted because it was "fingerprint prone" or otherwise ugly. They spend $2000 on friggin RIMS! for crappy cars.
Not many will be able to even afford a home in the one place in time home prices will be at their lowest as well as interest. This is an amazing time for someone to ...
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When you speak of toys and games. Yeah they are better today technically. Today's 20 somethings seem to be more concerned with prestige and outward appearances. The whole "cell phone as a fashion" statement epitomizes that. I have read will peopl will pass on a phone that has all of what they wanted because it was "fingerprint prone" or otherwise ugly. They spend $2000 on friggin RIMS! for crappy cars.
Not many will be able to even afford a home in the one place in time home prices will be at their lowest as well as interest. This is an amazing time for someone to ...
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I need to buy a house right now. I've got great credit, so does the wife, and we don't shop at Hollister. Bargin bin at ROSS! (actually, Old Navy is decent. American eagle has quality stuff for cheap when on sale.)
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chainmail311 said:
I need to buy a house right now. I've got great credit, so does the wife, and we don't shop at Hollister. Bargin bin at ROSS! (actually, Old Navy is decent. American eagle has quality stuff for cheap when on sale.)
Good for you. You will be one of the few who will not spend their lives consuming and paying off "stuff" while paying rent to another.......Another who shopped at Ross, drove a 5 year old ho hum car and wore Timex. Now they are collecting rent from the guy who put $2000 Rims. $80 sunglasses, and trendy clothes on his credit card and wonderinh how they will pay for all of it.
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bigdaddyjay said:
I guess I am tired of hearing about rollover from a guy that never uses his 550 minutes to begin with. It's like having a supercharged Shelby Mustang and never driving it over 45mph.
Talk about delusions of grandeur........
Cell phone= Shelby? You seem to forget everything else my trusty N82 can and does do on a regular basis other than using it for a gabfest.
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AvgJoe said:bigdaddyjay said:
I guess I am tired of hearing about rollover from a guy that never uses his 550 minutes to begin with. It's like having a supercharged Shelby Mustang and never driving it over 45mph.
Talk about delusions of grandeur........
Cell phone= Shelby? You seem to forget everything else my trusty N82 can and does do on a regular basis other than using it for a gabfest.
Ahhh I see now, surfing the internet for Porn so your wife doesn't see it on the home computer. Ingenious Joe!
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bigdaddyjay said:AvgJoe said:bigdaddyjay said:
I guess I am tired of hearing about rollover from a guy that never uses his 550 minutes to begin with. It's like having a supercharged Shelby Mustang and never driving it over 45mph.
Talk about delusions of grandeur........
Cell phone= Shelby? You seem to forget everything else my trusty N82 can and does do on a regular basis other than using it for a gabfest.
Ahhh I see now, surfing the internet for Porn so your wife doesn't see it on the home computer. Ingenious Joe!
I don't have to hide anything from the wife.
I get it now. You are paranoid. You are talking about hiding this and t...
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bigdaddyjay said:AvgJoe said:bigdaddyjay said:
I guess I am tired of hearing about rollover from a guy that never uses his 550 minutes to begin with. It's like having a supercharged Shelby Mustang and never driving it over 45mph.
Talk about delusions of grandeur........
Cell phone= Shelby? You seem to forget everything else my trusty N82 can and does do on a regular basis other than using it for a gabfest.
Ahhh I see now, surfing the internet for Porn so your wife doesn't see it on the home computer. Ingenious Joe!
And if he did, I'm sure he wouldn't be the first man or woman to do that.
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Yeah and there lead paint in toys....
Will the paranoia ever end? Years ago there were "party lines" NO one died! LOL
I could care less if someone has nothing better to do then listen to my 550 minutes a month. Enjoy it.
NO IM not worried about my CC numbers getting stolen either. Been there. A simple call to the CC company a signature on an affidavit and it's like it never happened. I have protection vs that .
I have had credit cards OPENED in my name in other cities......ONe phone call and a signature and all is good. I have frozen all three reporting agencies. No one can open an account in my name before I get a call from a credit agency.
No I'm not a paranoid person. I do all my banking and investing and bill paying on t...
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Will the paranoia ever end? Years ago there were "party lines" NO one died! LOL
I could care less if someone has nothing better to do then listen to my 550 minutes a month. Enjoy it.
NO IM not worried about my CC numbers getting stolen either. Been there. A simple call to the CC company a signature on an affidavit and it's like it never happened. I have protection vs that .
I have had credit cards OPENED in my name in other cities......ONe phone call and a signature and all is good. I have frozen all three reporting agencies. No one can open an account in my name before I get a call from a credit agency.
No I'm not a paranoid person. I do all my banking and investing and bill paying on t...
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Yes, it appears the scandalous will have no choice but to find safety in carriers employing CDMA technology 😳
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YOu guys make me laugh. Before wireless went digital ANYONE with a $90 Radio Shack scanner could listen to any call anytime....again everyone pretty much survived the "eavesdropping"
They are out to get you BigDaddy........
They are not out to get me.......I'm not worried. I don't live in fear of lead paint, open doors, errant bullets. But one thing I do know is
FEAR sells. IF they use fear in advertising they WILL sell it to the paranoid........
They are out to get you BigDaddy........
They are not out to get me.......I'm not worried. I don't live in fear of lead paint, open doors, errant bullets. But one thing I do know is
FEAR sells. IF they use fear in advertising they WILL sell it to the paranoid........
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Who knows who is out to get who, analog eavesdropping affected nobody? What are you smoking? People received telephone bills due to excessive cloned calls, peoples conversations were recorded and it even ruined political careers.
I could give a crap who is out to get me, the thought of a neighbor listening to phone conversations and invading privacy is a big deal. GSM is not secure Joe and it will affect a large number of people if something isn't done.
As for you Joe what are you taking? You act like an over medicated Celexa patient that could care less how deep of a trance their doctor has medicated them into. You are completely clueless and I would think this forum is in agreement.
I could give a crap who is out to get me, the thought of a neighbor listening to phone conversations and invading privacy is a big deal. GSM is not secure Joe and it will affect a large number of people if something isn't done.
As for you Joe what are you taking? You act like an over medicated Celexa patient that could care less how deep of a trance their doctor has medicated them into. You are completely clueless and I would think this forum is in agreement.
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bigdaddyjay said:
Who knows who is out to get who, analog eavesdropping affected nobody? What are you smoking? People received telephone bills due to excessive cloned calls, peoples conversations were recorded and it even ruined political careers.
I could give a crap who is out to get me, the thought of a neighbor listening to phone conversations and invading privacy is a big deal. GSM is not secure Joe and it will affect a large number of people if something isn't done.
As for you Joe what are you taking? You act like an over medicated Celexa patient that could care less how deep of a trance their doctor has medicated them into. You are completely clueless and I would think this forum is in agreement.(continues)
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I would not be affected if I was paranoid, I use CDMA services. Luckily 2 billion people have AvgJoe as their spokesman 👀
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I tend to assume that ANY phone conversation isn't entirely secure, unless both parties are using a private encryption key with some pretty harsh crypto.
Still, $1000.00 does seem like a disturbingly low price point to eavesdrop. Might be time to go the harsh crypto route.
Still, $1000.00 does seem like a disturbingly low price point to eavesdrop. Might be time to go the harsh crypto route.
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For about $1000 you can collect people's credit card numbers, SSN, mothers maiden names, etc.
What about following around financial advisors? Ever wanna know ahead of time if a company is merging with another or is doing bad or good, etc?
What about following around financial advisors? Ever wanna know ahead of time if a company is merging with another or is doing bad or good, etc?
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According to AvgJoe there is nothing to worry about 🙄 I for one can't wait until Steve Jobs gets his phone hacked 😉
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bigdaddyjay said:
According to AvgJoe there is nothing to worry about 🙄 I for one can't wait until Steve Jobs gets his phone hacked 😉
No I just don't run around looking over my shoulder in constant fear. I have been banking online for over 10 years, I am notified upon any peeks into my credit. I could care less who listens to ANY call I make or receive. Nothing interesting there.
I am just not afraid. My identity HAS been usd to open accounts and it was a phone call and signed affidavit. Problem solved. Since I am a Nokia user Steve has no interest in me.
Soooooo Now what? You have any other gems of paranoia I need to worry about...... daddy?.
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I am not worried Joe as I use CDMA technology. Thought you would have figured that out Joe but then again we are talking about you figuring something out 🙄
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Don't feel so safe. Everything is breakable. The cost is probably higher for the right equipment, but eventually it won't be...
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Too bad Verizon isn't a GSM provider! You better share this info with the customers that are threatened such as AT&T’s and or T-Mobile’s. Nobody is 100% secure, but if anyone is close its Verizon Wireless. Besides, Sprint isn't going to be in business too much longer, they have already lost the only profitable side they had with Sprint landline getting a legal divorce from them and re-branding as Embarq!
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