Cingular added 1.8 million in the 4th quarter!
PhoenixAshes said:If I'm not mistaken, Verizon had somewhere in the area of 1.6 million subscriber additions.
How did you guys do? Cingular has 49.1 million customers now. 😳
...
PhoenixAshes said:
How did you guys do? Cingular has 49.1 million customers now. 😳
Are these raw adds, or adds minus churn?
...
shadedpain4 said:Those are "pro forma" additions. Read about it on Forbes.com.PhoenixAshes said:
How did you guys do? Cingular has 49.1 million customers now. 😳
Are these raw adds, or adds minus churn?
...
muchdrama said:shadedpain4 said:Those are "pro forma" additions. Read about it on Forbes.com.PhoenixAshes said:
How did you guys do? Cingular has 49.1 million customers now. 😳
Are these raw adds, or adds minus churn?
The "pro forma" is explained in the article. "the new Cingular delivered a
net increase in subscribers of nearly 1.8 million on a pro forma basis, which
incorporates results from AT&T Wireless for the first 25 days of October,
includes net additions from other acquired properties and excludes results
from markets that Cingular has agreed to divest".
The only difference is counsint att for the first 25 days of october...
(continues)
...
PhoenixAshes said:...muchdrama said:shadedpain4 said:Those are "pro forma" additions. Read about it on Forbes.com.PhoenixAshes said:
How did you guys do? Cingular has 49.1 million customers now. 😳
Are these raw adds, or adds minus churn?
The "pro forma" is explained in the article. "the new Cingular delivered a
net increase in subscribers of nearly 1.8 million on a pro forma basis, which
incorporates results from AT&T Wireless for the first 25 days of October,
includes net additions from other acquired properties and excludes results
from markets that Cingular has agreed to divest".
The only difference is counsi
(continues)
...
muchdrama said:...PhoenixAshes said:muchdrama said:shadedpain4 said:Those are "pro forma" additions. Read about it on Forbes.com.PhoenixAshes said:
How did you guys do? Cingular has 49.1 million customers now. 😳
Are these raw adds, or adds minus churn?
The "pro forma" is explained in the article. "the new Cingular delivered a
net increase in subscribers of nearly 1.8 million on a pro forma basis, which
incorporates results from AT&T Wireless for the first 25 days of October,
includes net additions from other acquired properties and excludes results
from markets that Cingular has agreed to div
(continues)
...
PhoenixAshes said:...muchdrama said:PhoenixAshes said:muchdrama said:shadedpain4 said:Those are "pro forma" additions. Read about it on Forbes.com.PhoenixAshes said:
How did you guys do? Cingular has 49.1 million customers now. 😳
Are these raw adds, or adds minus churn?
The "pro forma" is explained in the article. "the new Cingular delivered a
net increase in subscribers of nearly 1.8 million on a pro forma basis, which
incorporates results from AT&T Wireless for the first 25 days of October,
includes net additions from other acquired properties and excludes results
from
(continues)
...
muchdrama said:...PhoenixAshes said:muchdrama said:PhoenixAshes said:muchdrama said:shadedpain4 said:Those are "pro forma" additions. Read about it on Forbes.com.PhoenixAshes said:
How did you guys do? Cingular has 49.1 million customers now. 😳
Are these raw adds, or adds minus churn?
The "pro forma" is explained in the article. "the new Cingular delivered a
net increase in subscribers of nearly 1.8 million on a pro forma basis, which
incorporates results from AT&T Wireless for the first 25 days of October,
includes net additions from other acquired pr
(continues)
...
newphoneman said:
http://www.comcast.net/News/BUSINESS//XML/1310_Gener ... »
same article posted in the Cingular Forum. If you actually read the article, it points out how well Cingular is actually doing. The only reason they lost money was because of the triton pcs purchase. This is probably the most impressive quarter for any wireless company EVER.
...
all i know is 2 POS companys make an even bigger POS company. numbers dont mean chit its all about coverage,customer service and price. i dont see cinglular winning any "best of" awards anywhere either for coverage,price or customer service so whatever.
...
The funny thing about this... Is when net adds were won by VZW... then net adds mattered... now customer base doesn't matter... funny... as far as coverage... Yeah... Cingular has such dissmal coverage... I mean how shameful is 290,000,000 POP's...
...
rikimaru said:
all i know is 2 POS companys make an even bigger POS company. numbers dont mean chit its all about coverage,customer service and price. i dont see cinglular winning any "best of" awards anywhere either for coverage,price or customer service so whatever.
Well, what "all you know" could fill a thimble.
Numbers don't mean "chit"?
Then we can say that Verizon's impressive numbers over the last two years don't mean "chit" either.
Coverage?
Cingular owns the largest network in this country.
Price?
We beat Verizon there as well. We manhandle Verizon in the value department. Not to mention having phones that you aren't ashamed to own.
Customer Service?
Well you got us there, according to su...
(continues)
...
PhoenixAshes said:...rikimaru said:
all i know is 2 POS companys make an even bigger POS company. numbers dont mean chit its all about coverage,customer service and price. i dont see cinglular winning any "best of" awards anywhere either for coverage,price or customer service so whatever.
Well, what "all you know" could fill a thimble.
Numbers don't mean "chit"?
Then we can say that Verizon's impressive numbers over the last two years don't mean "chit" either.
Coverage?
Cingular owns the largest network in this country.
Price?
We beat Verizon there as well. We manhandle Verizon in the value department. Not to mention having phones that you aren't ashamed to own.
Customer Service?
(continues)
...
muchdrama said:...PhoenixAshes said:rikimaru said:
all i know is 2 POS companys make an even bigger POS company. numbers dont mean chit its all about coverage,customer service and price. i dont see cinglular winning any "best of" awards anywhere either for coverage,price or customer service so whatever.
Well, what "all you know" could fill a thimble.
Numbers don't mean "chit"?
Then we can say that Verizon's impressive numbers over the last two years don't mean "chit" either.
Coverage?
Cingular owns the largest network in this country.
Price?
We beat Verizon there as well. We manhandle Verizon in the value department. Not to mention having phones that you aren't
(continues)
...
PhoenixAshes said:...muchdrama said:PhoenixAshes said:rikimaru said:
all i know is 2 POS companys make an even bigger POS company. numbers dont mean chit its all about coverage,customer service and price. i dont see cinglular winning any "best of" awards anywhere either for coverage,price or customer service so whatever.
Well, what "all you know" could fill a thimble.
Numbers don't mean "chit"?
Then we can say that Verizon's impressive numbers over the last two years don't mean "chit" either.
Coverage?
Cingular owns the largest network in this country.
Price?
We beat Verizon there as well. We manhandle Verizon in the value department. Not t
(continues)
...
rikimaru said:
all i know is 2 POS companys make an even bigger POS company.
That's not exactly fair. It'd be closer to the truth to say one so-so company and one POS company (sorry ATTW, but you know its true).
And regardless, you have to applaud them for how well they did in customer adds last quarter. Let's see if they can keep it up.
...
BetterThanJake said:rikimaru said:
all i know is 2 POS companys make an even bigger POS company.
That's not exactly fair. It'd be closer to the truth to say one so-so company and one POS company (sorry ATTW, but you know its true).
And regardless, you have to applaud them for how well they did in customer adds last quarter. Let's see if they can keep it up.
And the biggie is going to be how the integration goes. One thing I see is that Cingular is going to HAVE to step up to 24/7 customer service, anything less is just unacceptable in today's business environment. It's ludicrous to assume that nobody is going to have a problem on a weekend, or that if it does the cus...
(continues)
...
From what I have heard and read, the integration is going to be done alongside the UMTS deployment. It is going to be a huge undertaking not unlike the gsm deployment. It's going to be done quicker than anyone expects, I bet.
...
The 1.8 million NET additions is skewed!! Most of them are people being converted over from AT&T's TDMA calling plans and being FORCED to get a new phone and renew contracts to get on Cingulars GSM calling plans. They are counting these as NEW CUSTOMERS TO CINGULAR. Its all B.S. FLUFF people!
...
Uh, no.
It's clearly stated in Cingular's press release that Cingular had 1.8 million new subs for Q4. Because AT&T was still a seperate company for the first 25 days of Q4, they also stated that not including AT&T's added subs they had 1.7 million new subs as a standalone company.
They made a it a point to show that these numbers AREN'T skewed by also stating that approximately 1 million AT&T customers migrated to Cingular GSM plans. An entirely seperate number from the new subs for the quarter.
You can read the article on Cingular's website.
Where is your proof?
It's clearly stated in Cingular's press release that Cingular had 1.8 million new subs for Q4. Because AT&T was still a seperate company for the first 25 days of Q4, they also stated that not including AT&T's added subs they had 1.7 million new subs as a standalone company.
They made a it a point to show that these numbers AREN'T skewed by also stating that approximately 1 million AT&T customers migrated to Cingular GSM plans. An entirely seperate number from the new subs for the quarter.
You can read the article on Cingular's website.
Where is your proof?
...
RUFF1415 said:He never had any proof. Hell...he never read any article, either.
Uh, no.
It's clearly stated in Cingular's press release that Cingular had 1.8 million new subs for Q4. Because AT&T was still a seperate company for the first 25 days of Q4, they also stated that not including AT&T's added subs they had 1.7 million new subs as a standalone company.
They made a it a point to show that these numbers AREN'T skewed by also stating that approximately 1 million AT&T customers migrated to Cingular GSM plans. An entirely seperate number from the new subs for the quarter.
You can read the article on Cingular's website.
Where is your proof?
...
art23ncsu said:
The 1.8 million NET additions is skewed!! Most of them are people being converted over from AT&T's TDMA calling plans and being FORCED to get a new phone and renew contracts to get on Cingulars GSM calling plans. They are counting these as NEW CUSTOMERS TO CINGULAR. Its all B.S. FLUFF people!
🤣
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
Not one ATT to Cingular migration is counted in the New Net Adds.
ATT customers haven't been "forced" into anything.
If they want to stay on their existing tdma service, they are welcome to it.
When it comes time to change plans, they can stay on any att plan or migrate over to Cingular plans or switch companies.
Many customers decided to stay with ...
(continues)
...
But please, continue with your turrets syndrome like outbursts.Okay, you have to admit that was funny.
It's entertaining.
...
shadedpain4 said:
I think he qualified it as pro-forma since i asked exactly where the figure came from. He was answering my question.
Fair enough, shaded. The only thing is that you asked "Are these raw adds, or adds minus churn?"... to which he replied "pro forma". One has nothing to do with the other. To answer your question, he should have said, "pro forma Net adds". However it's a moot point now.
...
PhoenixAshes said:Moot because you couldn't understand the answer I gave? I counted 9 different articles that had the words "pro forma" before the number of subscriber additions Cingular had last quarter. I just typed what I read.shadedpain4 said:
I think he qualified it as pro-forma since i asked exactly where the figure came from. He was answering my question.
Fair enough, shaded. The only thing is that you asked "Are these raw adds, or adds minus churn?"... to which he replied "pro forma". One has nothing to do with the other. To answer your question, he should have said, "pro forma Net adds". However it's a moot point now.
...
muchdrama said:...PhoenixAshes said:Moot because you couldn't understand the answer I gave? I counted 9 different articles that had the words "pro forma" before the number of subscriber additions Cingular had last quarter. I just typed what I read.shadedpain4 said:
I think he qualified it as pro-forma since i asked exactly where the figure came from. He was answering my question.
Fair enough, shaded. The only thing is that you asked "Are these raw adds, or adds minus churn?"... to which he replied "pro forma". One has nothing to do with the other. To answer your question, he should have said, "pro forma Net adds". However it's a moot point now.
(continues)
...
Moot because it didn't even matter then.A'ight. It's just not nice to say someone's point is moot. No one wants their point to be moot.
...
Cingular Wireless Posts Strong Fourth-Quarter Growth: 1.8 Million Pro Forma Net Subscriber Additions, Improved Churn, Solid Progress in Key Integration Initiatives
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=10 ... »
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=10 ... »
...
PhoenixAshes said:
How did you guys do? Cingular has 49.1 million customers now. 😳
Yes I would like to see where you got this information...link pls?
...
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=10 ... »
Cingular Wireless Posts Strong Fourth-Quarter Growth: 1.8 Million Pro Forma Net Subscriber Additions, Improved Churn, Solid Progress in Key Integration Initiatives
Cingular Wireless Posts Strong Fourth-Quarter Growth: 1.8 Million Pro Forma Net Subscriber Additions, Improved Churn, Solid Progress in Key Integration Initiatives
...
Hey, nice job! That's way better than I expected them to do. Keep competing and doin' your job of keepin' my Verizon bill low. 🙂
Though I do have to ask... why did you guys lose $500 million in the quarter?
Though I do have to ask... why did you guys lose $500 million in the quarter?
...
Triton PCS.... we bought their markets in VA. Cingular also spent quite a bit of extra money on "other merger related expenses". That's what they told me, and that's what I have read, so....
I have a feeling we will see the money back when Tmobile pony's up some dough when they are ready to purchase the network in california....
I have a feeling we will see the money back when Tmobile pony's up some dough when they are ready to purchase the network in california....
...
VZW's churn was 1.43%, what was Cingular's? Oh yeah thats right it was 2.6%. Ouch
...
Cingular uses a different formula to calculate their churn rate. Had they used the same formula that T-Mobile and Verizon use, it would have been approximately 2.4%. And that .2% makes a difference.
...
RUFF1415 said:You're wasting your breath on someone who didn't even take the time to notice that Cingular had actually lowered their churn rate from the previous quarter.
Cingular uses a different formula to calculate their churn rate. Had they used the same formula that T-Mobile and Verizon use, it would have been approximately 2.4%. And that .2% makes a difference.
...
