SBC Joins In, Rebuffs Cingular's Network

SBC, parent company of Cingular and landline competitor to Verizon Communications, signed a two-year national agreement with Verizon Wireless-Southern California Region. Valued at $500,000, the account includes 800 lines with the potential for an additional 2,500 lines.

SBC selected Verizon Wireless because of the superior voice network coverage and the demonstrated success of BroadbandAccess and Blackberry devices to increase employee productivity in the field.

ShoonMcKoon said:
SBC Joins In, Rebuffs Cingular's Network

SBC, parent company of Cingular and landline competitor to Verizon Communications, signed a two-year national agreement with Verizon Wireless-Southern California Region. Valued at $500,000, the account includes 800 lines with the potential for an additional 2,500 lines.

SBC selected Verizon Wireless because of the superior voice network coverage and the demonstrated success of BroadbandAccess and Blackberry devices to increase employee productivity in the field.

That's a great editorial...
Care to give us the link so we can read it ourselves?

the link died...otherwise i would

ShoonMcKoon said:
the link died...otherwise i would

ah...
I see.
Let us know when you can back up your statements.

i just spoke with the vice president of my company and the link he sent to all of the employees is on a verizon corporate website that i do not have access to. and neither does anyone else except verizon HQ employees. so i would back this up. but right now it's all supposed to be confidential within the company.

ShoonMcKoon said:
i just spoke with the vice president of my company and the link he sent to all of the employees is on a verizon corporate website that i do not have access to. and neither does anyone else except verizon HQ employees. so i would back this up. but right now it's all supposed to be confidential within the company.

Uh... yeah.
I just got off the phone with Stan Sigman, the President of Cingular, and he said that all Verizon Wireless employees now have Cingular accounts. But don't tell anyone... it's hush hush.
🙄

Now That's a little far fetched no isn't mr smarty pants? 😲

can someone explain to me the point of having future coverage on a coverage map?

Wishful thinking and proof that they are raising the bar, hahahaha 🤣

If verizon wanted to add future coverage they might as well color the whole map in...they spent $4 Billion dollars last year extending their network. their going to do that again. All cingular is going to do is spend their time combing with at&t

I'm still trying to figure out how all of these Cingular morons think that having a bunch of 1.9 abd 850mhz networks combined will help coverage??? Usually a phone is not capable of handing from one to the other so they basically still have two of the worst networks running TDMA/GSM/Analog. I would hate to be an RF engineer at Cingular right now while they are raising the bar, hahaha
Rollover is cool, yeah is rules. Can you please ask someone to pass the gravy???

Could Verizon please pass the minutes that I paid for! oops its called Rollover! only with Cingular! Pass it please. . . Can you hear US now? 😎

You need rollover with the call blockage rate that Cingular has. If you can't place a call your minutes still roll over and you don't lose them 😈

Yeah, and I'm waiting for the cable company to send me a check for the hours of TV I didn't get to watch because I wasn't home.

bigdaddyjay said:
You need rollover with the call blockage rate that Cingular has. If you can't place a call your minutes still roll over and you don't lose them 😈

Call Blockage rate?
You got any stats on that?
Where's the case study on that?
Sounds like there is some serious Colon Blockage going on here.
Probably caused by a Cranium.

bigdaddyjay said:
I'm still trying to figure out how all of these Cingular morons think that having a bunch of 1.9 abd 850mhz networks combined will help coverage??? Usually a phone is not capable of handing from one to the other so they basically still have two of the worst networks running TDMA/GSM/Analog. I would hate to be an RF engineer at Cingular right now while they are raising the bar, hahaha
Rollover is cool, yeah is rules. Can you please ask someone to pass the gravy???

Cingular morons?
That's quite ironic.
What kind of moron doesn't know that gsm can go back and forth between 850 and 1900?
TDMA? Analog?!?!
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Ummm... And if you notice, Verizon has both 1900 and 850 coverage... along with Analog back up... so... both companies use the same frequencies... and no a phone cannot seemlessly go from TDMA to GSM, but then again a Verizon phone will drop the call going from CDMA to AMPS... or even going from 1900 to 850...

I'm keepin my damn gravy!!!!

lol, Verizon, thats the reason they made that commercial "Can you hear me now" they had to! thats all there customers were saying! couldnt even hold a conversation back in the days, at least with Cingular you have Privacy! with an Analog radio I can tap in to anyones conversation, even with my AM Radio!! lol 😎

You are clueless aren't you??? Who has the better JD Power and Consumer reports network rating Jack???

Cingular spent $6 billion on their OWN network alone last year. Plus the addtional $41 billion on AT&Ts network, and the $ (don't know how much) that they've spent combining the networks. Verizon's numbers aren't so impressive anymore.

ShoonMcKoon said:
If verizon wanted to add future coverage they might as well color the whole map in...they spent $4 Billion dollars last year extending their network. their going to do that again. All cingular is going to do is spend their time combing with at&t

Wow.
$4 billion.
Very Impressive.
Cingular spent almost $50 billion to improve it's network in 2004.
Cingular will spend more than 4 billion in 2005 to upgrade and enhance it's network.
Yeah, all cingular is doing is "combining with at&t". 🙄
If you actually had your facts straight, you would know that Cingular is upgrading to umts as it mergers the two networks.
You would also know that Cingular is expanding it's gsm coverage in the ...
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I agree, for the time being, that Cingular probably has the most potential right now.

But...

Spring-Nextel will be giving us all a run for our money when they come around.

PhoenixAshes said:

ShoonMcKoon said:
SBC Joins In, Rebuffs Cingular's Network

SBC, parent company of Cingular and landline competitor to Verizon Communications, signed a two-year national agreement with Verizon Wireless-Southern California Region. Valued at $500,000, the account includes 800 lines with the potential for an additional 2,500 lines.

SBC selected Verizon Wireless because of the superior voice network coverage and the demonstrated success of BroadbandAccess and Blackberry devices to increase employee productivity in the field.

That's a great editorial...
Care to give us the link so we can read it ourselves?

So you think he's lying?

I am so sick of people asking for links for this crap. I would be willing to bet that all cell companies have privacy agreements and that if this guy was caught sending this out he would likely lose his job. I know people here in Chicago that are in sales at SBC and they use Verizon and I even heard of a director using Verizon. I don't have a link so I am a liar right??? You linkheads crack me up, hahaha

ShoonMcKoon said:
SBC Joins In, Rebuffs Cingular's Network

SBC, parent company of Cingular and landline competitor to Verizon Communications, signed a two-year national agreement with Verizon Wireless-Southern California Region. Valued at $500,000, the account includes 800 lines with the potential for an additional 2,500 lines.

SBC selected Verizon Wireless because of the superior voice network coverage and the demonstrated success of BroadbandAccess and Blackberry devices to increase employee productivity in the field.

ShoonMcKoon is correct. This article is 100% true. I'm a corporate Verizon Wireless sales rep. This article was published about a month ago.

I do not believe Cingular will b...
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85percent said:

ShoonMcKoon said:
SBC Joins In, Rebuffs Cingular's Network

SBC, parent company of Cingular and landline competitor to Verizon Communications, signed a two-year national agreement with Verizon Wireless-Southern California Region. Valued at $500,000, the account includes 800 lines with the potential for an additional 2,500 lines.

SBC selected Verizon Wireless because of the superior voice network coverage and the demonstrated success of BroadbandAccess and Blackberry devices to increase employee productivity in the field.

ShoonMcKoon is correct. This article is 100% true. I'm a corporate Verizon Wireless sales rep. This article was published about a month ago.

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PhoenixAshes said:

85percent said:

ShoonMcKoon said:
SBC Joins In, Rebuffs Cingular's Network

SBC, parent company of Cingular and landline competitor to Verizon Communications, signed a two-year national agreement with Verizon Wireless-Southern California Region. Valued at $500,000, the account includes 800 lines with the potential for an additional 2,500 lines.

SBC selected Verizon Wireless because of the superior voice network coverage and the demonstrated success of BroadbandAccess and Blackberry devices to increase employee productivity in the field.

ShoonMcKoon is correct. This article is 100% true. I'm a corporate Verizon Wireless sales rep. This ar

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muchdrama said:

PhoenixAshes said:

85percent said:

ShoonMcKoon said:
SBC Joins In, Rebuffs Cingular's Network

SBC, parent company of Cingular and landline competitor to Verizon Communications, signed a two-year national agreement with Verizon Wireless-Southern California Region. Valued at $500,000, the account includes 800 lines with the potential for an additional 2,500 lines.

SBC selected Verizon Wireless because of the superior voice network coverage and the demonstrated success of BroadbandAccess and Blackberry devices to increase employee productivity in the field.

ShoonMcKoon is correct. This article is 100% true. I'm a corporate

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I know where I'd like you to put that boot...

Be nice, Pa Honix is only doing what he was trained and this is self expression which is Cingular. Can you ask someone to pass the Gravy???

Stevo2k4 said:
I know where I'd like you to put that boot...

I have to pull it out of your rump first.

Hey maybe you will be able to hang from the bar someday instead of doing the Limbo underneath it. 😈

PhoenixAshes said:

muchdrama said:

PhoenixAshes said:

85percent said:

ShoonMcKoon said:
SBC Joins In, Rebuffs Cingular's Network

SBC, parent company of Cingular and landline competitor to Verizon Communications, signed a two-year national agreement with Verizon Wireless-Southern California Region. Valued at $500,000, the account includes 800 lines with the potential for an additional 2,500 lines.

SBC selected Verizon Wireless because of the superior voice network coverage and the demonstrated success of BroadbandAccess and Blackberry devices to increase employee productivity in the field.

ShoonMcKoon is correct. Thi

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I hear that the best part about the merger for Cingular reps is the anticipation of being one of the 7,000 people that will be laid off due to the merger!!!!!!!

lol, as long as you are not a Care rep, your job is very secure, we just added 852,000 customers so far this quarter, we will need those people to assist onew customers that are porting in from Verizon

852,000 huh, where did you pull this number from, hahahaha You are on track to add over 2.5 million customers??? Are you sure you aren't raising the BS???

Maybe the 852,000 customers are the new customers that have had their accounts switched from the ATT name to Cingular?

I have no clue where he got that number from BUT, Cingular is not including migrations in their net adds count. Cingular and AT&T are very much the same company now, so including migrations would be pointless. Cingular doesn't publish quarterly results to stretch truth and gain attention, they use those results in improving their business. Lying to themselves would be a bad move, as it would only hurt the company.

Anytime you hear about Cingular's new net adds, they will be refferring to non-AT&T and non-Cingular customers.

bigdaddyjay said:
852,000 huh, where did you pull this number from, hahahaha You are on track to add over 2.5 million customers??? Are you sure you aren't raising the BS???

I haven't added it up yet, but we do have daily churn reports...
It shows current churn rate and net adds for each market.
I'll be looking it up myself tomorrow.

I think Jack smoked Crack a while back. At least he can display his self expression, that is Cingular. Can you pass the gravy??????

bigdaddyjay said:
I think Jack smoked Crack a while back. .... Can you pass the gravy??????

Why do sentences like these remind me of family get-togethers?

🤣
I'm kind of enjoying this "pass the gravy" stuff... makes me feel like we're sitting at a large dinner table, debating... 😁

~Steve

I am going to be like Phoenix and say that you didn't add 852,000 people because you didn't provide a link. Links are cool, can you ask someone to pass the Gravy???

Ruff is right with this but also companies use each others services to test network quality to see where the competition stacks up.

RUFF1415 said:
A parent company and its wireless service won't always match up with each other. If SBC's business is in a location where Cingular doesn't provide service, its logical that they would make such a business deal. Don't doubt that Verizon has done the same with Cingular.

It's also a possibility that they need the devices for broadband access until they are ready to launch their own in any particular area.

here is the deal verizon's call quality is far better than that of cingular plain and simple!! Here is a test grab a middle grade cingular phone and a middle grade verizon phone and place phone calls on both, verizon's will be much clearer with no static these are the facts! While verizon may be a little more out of the pocket it's well worth it if you want to save yourself the agony and headache of a staticy phone call that will almost always drop. Go to consumerreports.org or jd power and you will see verizon is rated far ahead of cingular when it comes to call quality, as well as satic on the line and circuits being full. I'm sorry to say this to any cingular fans reading this but I had verizon and left thinking I would save money and get...
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maverick96 said:
here is the deal verizon's call quality is far better than that of cingular plain and simple!! Here is a test grab a middle grade cingular phone and a middle grade verizon phone and place phone calls on both, verizon's will be much clearer with no static these are the facts! While verizon may be a little more out of the pocket it's well worth it if you want to save yourself the agony and headache of a staticy phone call that will almost always drop. Go to consumerreports.org or jd power and you will see verizon is rated far ahead of cingular when it comes to call quality, as well as satic on the line and circuits being full. I'm sorry to say this to any cingular fans reading this but I had verizon and lef

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That kind of thinking is exactly why Verizon had it's little hiney spanked last quarter.

Since when is 100,000 subscribers a heiny spank? Don't go getting arrogant on us.

muchdrama said:

That kind of thinking is exactly why Verizon had it's little hiney spanked last quarter.

Since when is 100,000 subscribers a heiny spank? Don't go getting arrogant on us.

Let's look at it this way.
Football-
The number 1 college team is a 30 point favorite over the number 2 team.
The number 2 team also had coaching and player changes.
The two teams meet and the number 2 team wins by only one point.
That would be a "hiney spanking".
It would also be considered an "upset".
Considering how many obstacles Cingular had to hurdle to beat the number one player in the game, I'd call it a "hiney spanking".

PS- I think it's incredibly cute that you would coa...
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PhoenixAshes said:

muchdrama said:

That kind of thinking is exactly why Verizon had it's little hiney spanked last quarter.

Since when is 100,000 subscribers a heiny spank? Don't go getting arrogant on us.

Let's look at it this way.
Football-
The number 1 college team is a 30 point favorite over the number 2 team.
The number 2 team also had coaching and player changes.
The two teams meet and the number 2 team wins by only one point.
That would be a "hiney spanking".
It would also be considered an "upset".
Considering how many obstacles Cingular had to hurdle to beat the number one player in the game, I'd call it a "hiney spanking".

PS- I think it's in

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muchdrama said:

PhoenixAshes said:

muchdrama said:

That kind of thinking is exactly why Verizon had it's little hiney spanked last quarter.

Since when is 100,000 subscribers a heiny spank? Don't go getting arrogant on us.

Let's look at it this way.
Football-
The number 1 college team is a 30 point favorite over the number 2 team.
The number 2 team also had coaching and player changes.
The two teams meet and the number 2 team wins by only one point.
That would be a "hiney spanking".
It would also be considered an "upset".
Considering how many obstacles Cingular had to hurdle to beat the number one player in the game, I'd call it a "hin

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I am sure Verizon was much happier having 60,000 less net adds and actually making a profit, so who is actually getting spanked??

Can you ask someone to pass the Gravy???

bigdaddyjay said:
I am sure Verizon was much happier having 60,000 less net adds and actually making a profit, so who is actually getting spanked??

Can you ask someone to pass the Gravy???

So you are sure Verizon is happy about having 60k less adds?
Yes, who did get spanked?
hmmmmm.
Cingular spent 50 billion dollars and ended up with a "loss" of only 500 million and added more new customers in the quarter than any other carrier in history.
Spanked?
No, Verizon was molested.

Oh, I forgot, SBC and Bellsouth had over 40 Billion in the bank right??? You are an idiot, end of discussion.

bigdaddyjay said:
Oh, I forgot, SBC and Bellsouth had over 40 Billion in the bank right??? You are an idiot, end of discussion.

Somehow, I don't see this as the end of the discussion.

bigdaddyjay said:
Oh, I forgot, SBC and Bellsouth had over 40 Billion in the bank right??? You are an idiot, end of discussion.

Actually, the "discussion" ended when you couldn't come up with an intelligent response without throwing out insults, gravy boy.
And yes, genius, SBC and Bellsouth had that much money.
Bellsouth only had to sell some latin/south american network to fund what they didn't have in cash.
It was widely reported that SBC and Bellsouth were the only companies who could actually pull off an all cash deal.
If you would read an article or two instead of flapping your gravy covered gums, you might know that.
Your preschool inspired banter only reveals your lack of depth.
I could wal...
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PhoenixAshes said:

muchdrama said:

PhoenixAshes said:

muchdrama said:

That kind of thinking is exactly why Verizon had it's little hiney spanked last quarter.

Since when is 100,000 subscribers a heiny spank? Don't go getting arrogant on us.

Let's look at it this way.
Football-
The number 1 college team is a 30 point favorite over the number 2 team.
The number 2 team also had coaching and player changes.
The two teams meet and the number 2 team wins by only one point.
That would be a "hiney spanking".
It would also be considered an "upset".
Considering how many obstacles Cingular had to hurdle to beat the number one

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Hey I guess if verizon bought a company with 20 million subscribers we could say we are the best now too right? Raising the bar where?? In the C.E.O. of cingular's pants because he got himself way over his head. You are living in dreamworld thinking the call quality of verizon is anything compared to that of cingular, J.D. Power is an independent study as well as consumer reports that test real world people using you real world cingular phones in every city in the country and you still want to deny your carrier sucks. Well if you don't believe me how about the thousands of people who participated in these studies are we all wrong and your right? I DON'T THINK SO!!! Did you hear that or was it a staticy breakup haha 😢 😢 Can you hear...
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maverick96 said:
Hey I guess if verizon bought a company with 20 million subscribers we could say we are the best now too right? Raising the bar where?? In the C.E.O. of cingular's pants because he got himself way over his head. You are living in dreamworld thinking the call quality of verizon is anything compared to that of cingular, J.D. Power is an independent study as well as consumer reports that test real world people using you real world cingular phones in every city in the country and you still want to deny your carrier sucks. Well if you don't believe me how about the thousands of people who participated in these studies are we all wrong and your right? I DON'T THINK SO!!! Did you hear that or was it a staticy br

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I have to agree with you Maverick96! I've tried GSM through T-Mobile and have a friend who uses Cingular-GSM. The problem I have with GSM is not only the static, but that the phones seem to pick-up every little noise in the background...and I mean "everything"!! If you're in a crowded room with a lot of people, out on a noisy city street, or even driving in your car...the phone seems to pick-up everything in the background so loudly, that you have trouble hearing the person's voice over it! It seems that CDMA, especially through Verizon cancels out a lot of that background noise, so the person's voice is "heard" and understood more clearly! If Cingular had something like that on their phones, I would seriously look into it in July when ...
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Hmm, interesting.

Out here in Northern California, the problem that Cingular seems to be having is one of overloaded networks, which, unlike coverage, is something that the merger doesn't much help. What happens when one overloaded network merges with another overloaded network? All else being equal, you just get a larger overloaded network.

For example, my girlfriend's ex-roommate would consistently get a 'network too busy' msg whenever she called at certain times of day, such as 5-8pm. She's definitely regretting her 2-yr contract. Hopefully Cingy improves the network out here asap.

But then again, she was kind of a huge jerk (which is why she's my gf's ex-roommate), so maybe its ok this way. 😛

CRCinOklnd said:
I have to agree with you Maverick96! I've tried GSM through T-Mobile and have a friend who uses Cingular-GSM. The problem I have with GSM is not only the static, but that the phones seem to pick-up every little noise in the background...and I mean "everything"!! If you're in a crowded room with a lot of people, out on a noisy city street, or even driving in your car...the phone seems to pick-up everything in the background so loudly, that you have trouble hearing the person's voice over it! It seems that CDMA, especially through Verizon cancels out a lot of that background noise, so the person's voice is "heard" and understood more clearly! If Cingular had something like that on their phones, I would

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"Funny.
It seems like every Verizon employee on earth has used Cingular service and they all had the same phone in the same area with the same static.
I must be the only ex- verizon employee that doesn't get static on their Cingular phone."

I don't work for Verizon...these were just my observations as a regular "every-day" type user. And as I've stated, I'm willing to try GSM, whether it would be T-Mobile or especially Cingular again in July when my contract is up...provding I can get coverage in the Oakland/East Bay, CA area where I live. Also I had more of an issue with "background noise" versus static.