"Churn" is the sick feeling he got in his belly when Cingular proved everyone wrong this quarter.

Hey Phoenix, could you ask someone to pass the gravy???? Churn is a figure that makes Cingular sick to it's stomach since theirs is almost twice as high as Verizon Wireless. Viva Verizon!!!!

bigdaddyjay said:
Hey Phoenix, could you ask someone to pass the gravy???? Churn is a figure that makes Cingular sick to it's stomach since theirs is almost twice as high as Verizon Wireless. Viva Verizon!!!!

How original.
You said the exact same thing about Churn as I did.
Couldn't come up with anything better than that?
Wow... so verizon will get on it's knees when customers threaten to cancel.
I'm so proud of you guys.
My knees don't hurt nearly as bad now that I work for Cingular.
But we'll see what the next quarter brings, gravy boy.

It's not about knees, we stay with Verizon because they have a great network and treat their customers well. Cingular might want to do the same is they want to post more high net add quarters.

bigdaddyjay said:
It's not about knees, we stay with Verizon because they have a great network and treat their customers well. Cingular might want to do the same is they want to post more high net add quarters.

We'll take your "expert" opinion into account, gravy boy. 🙄

Gravy boy huh?? Is that the best you can do colonel churn????

bigdaddyjay said:
Gravy boy huh?? Is that the best you can do colonel churn????

No, the "best I could do" would make you piss your panties and get the post erased by the moderators... 😈

One question, Mortgage man.
Why would a mortgage guy bother spending his day on a wireless phone forum with a keen interest in convincing everyone that "Verizon rules and Cingular sucks"?
Answer: He wouldn't.
Are you that ashamed to say that you work for Verizon?
Next thing you know, you're going to say that you work for a video game company. 🤣

I have family at Verizon Wireless and stumbled on this website from them. In case you haven't noticed I usually don't post comments on this site other than late afternoon and early morning or at night. What is a genius like you doing working for a cell company anyway??? Couldn't hack it in the real world and decided to follow your dreams working for a celular company???

bigdaddyjay said:
I have family at Verizon Wireless and stumbled on this website from them. In case you haven't noticed I usually don't post comments on this site other than late afternoon and early morning or at night. What is a genius like you doing working for a cell company anyway??? Couldn't hack it in the real world and decided to follow your dreams working for a celular company???

Wow.
You called me a genius.
Thanks.
Can't say you will make many friends here ragging on wireless employees though.
If we are such losers then you are even more sad for spending your day here.
I'm in school right now for my bachelor's degree.
I'm in wireless sales because I can go to school full time and still ma...
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500-600 huh, you must not be a very good salesman. Good luck with the bachelor degree and paying of your student loans, if you get in the mortgage business you could easily make 7 figures but then again your bachelors in baket weaving might not get put to good use.

I hate to admit it but I meant 6 figures not 7. The comment on basket weaving still stands though!!!

Good grief, I just spent time reading these posts and didn't see one intelligent thing. Just personal attacks.
Phoenix, go for that degree in whatever it is.
DaddyJay, best of luck to you in the mortgage business.

Can we please have some decorum here?

SPCSVZWJeff said:
Good grief, I just spent time reading these posts and didn't see one intelligent thing. Just personal attacks.
Phoenix, go for that degree in whatever it is.
DaddyJay, best of luck to you in the mortgage business.

Can we please have some decorum here?

Decorum! Huzzah!

PhoenixAshes said:
"Churn" is the sick feeling he got in his belly when Cingular proved everyone wrong this quarter.

Alright, I hate stooping to people's levels, but it's hard to resist. I will state some facts.

FACT: Churn is a measure of the amount of customers who leave a particular service provider, either by disconnecting or porting out.

Cigular's churn rate was 2.6%, really? okay...
FACT: VzWs churn rate for 4q04 was 1.43% and 1.5% for all of 2004.
A 2.6% churn rate for Cingy was a record low, and impressive?!? only to them...

FACT: Cingular had more net adds in 4q04 - approximately 64,000 more customers (1,757,000 vs. 1,693,000).
Bravo to Cingular, my hats off to ya, but both numbers ar...
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You know, like, make butter. duh. 🙄 🤣

Yep. 🙂 But, for my sake, I don't want to reality check the Cingy zealots TOO much. I want 'em to keep competin', and keep puttin' pressure on VZW to lower my bill. 🙂

Serious question. VZW churn includes (or it did include) prepay churn. Does Cingular also include prepay churn? Can anyone verify this? If VZW is including prepay churn and Cingular is not... Then VZW's turnover is MUCH MUCH lower than stated on post paid.

Jake,

Hey I agree with you. I may sell VZW but I am not a fanboy either. I like it when the new plans come out. I like it when they become competetive. This helps out my paycheck! This also helps reduce my monthly bills. Hey I'm saving $10 more a month since the new family share came out!! I've actually argued against several policy changes. I don't bad mouth Cingular. In fact I was discussing why the MEdia Works unlimited package would go away from Cingular and how that would be a s...
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Gotta love people that act like Cain no? Especially those that when you TELL THEM THEY ARE RIGHT THEY STILL SAY THAT YOU ARE WRONG!

I think he's perturbed.

GWFOX said:
Jake,

Hey I agree with you. I may sell VZW but I am not a fanboy either. I like it when the new plans come out. I like it when they become competetive. This helps out my paycheck! This also helps reduce my monthly bills. Hey I'm saving $10 more a month since the new family share came out!! I've actually argued against several policy changes.

Don't you love it when people attack you Jake? I mean especially when you agree with several points. I refer to a post where you and Phoenix were discussing. You agreed with him on several points and IMHO defended yourself with well thought out responses. Yet you still got attacked with "double digit" intelligence remarks and so on. Gotta love people that act like C

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I got much love for ya for that... You're better than Jake even. I respect you.

Thanks, 'preciate it 🙂

BetterThanJake said:

GWFOX said:
Jake,

Hey I agree with you. I may sell VZW but I am not a fanboy either. I like it when the new plans come out. I like it when they become competetive. This helps out my paycheck! This also helps reduce my monthly bills. Hey I'm saving $10 more a month since the new family share came out!! I've actually argued against several policy changes.

Don't you love it when people attack you Jake? I mean especially when you agree with several points. I refer to a post where you and Phoenix were discussing. You agreed with him on several points and IMHO defended yourself with well thought out responses. Yet you still got attacked with "double digit" intelligence remarks and

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Thank you for proving my point. You illustrated it far better than I ever could of. 😉

I dunno Phoenix... if I'm eating anything its more like baby crow. Cingy did great with adds for *one* quarter (which I think reflects great marketing on their part- loved the TV commericals), but churn is still high, they lost a lot of money in the quarter, and I haven't yet heard of them making major and sustained strides in improving CS. Let's face it, if the shoe was on the other foot, you'd probably be the first to say, "Let's see what Verizon does *next* quarter."

Also... if I'm a 'Verizon fanboy', then why do I disagree with them so consistently on the issue of crippling data transfer? Food for thought, as your label simply does not stick. 😉

BetterThanJake said:
I dunno Phoenix... if I'm eating anything its more like baby crow. Cingy did great with adds for *one* quarter (which I think reflects great marketing on their part- loved the TV commericals), but churn is still high, they lost a lot of money in the quarter, and I haven't yet heard of them making major and sustained strides in improving CS. Let's face it, if the shoe was on the other foot, you'd probably be the first to say, "Let's see what Verizon does *next* quarter."

Also... if I'm a 'Verizon fanboy', then why do I disagree with them so consistently on the issue of crippling data transfer? Food for thought, as your label simply does not stick. 😉

Since when, in the entire His...
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PhoenixAshes said:
Since when, in the entire History of Wireless Sales, has 2.4% churn been considered a "High" churn rate?

Hmm... thought it was 2.6%. Wait... it is. You factored out the indirects.

And it certainly is high compared to Verizon. And Nextel as well. C'mon Phoenix, don't try to split hairs... you know that Cingy upper management would give their eye teeth to have VZW-like churn.

Jake, how can you honestly not call yourself a fanboy of Verizon?

Easy... because I'm not. 🙂

A fanboy is someone who slavishly agrees with anything a person or company says and would never dream of being disloyal to said company or person.

Me, I like Verizon because its the best ca...
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Cingular calculates churn with a different formula than other wireless companies do. It was stated in their Q4 results that if they used the same formula as Verizon, their churn would have been 2.4%.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.pl?A ... »

"In addition, starting in the first quarter of 2005, Cingular will adopt a
new calculation for reseller churn that is more consistent with some of its
major competitors. Cingular currently includes reseller disconnects in its
churn calculation. In the future, Cingular will base its calculations on
total reseller net additions or reductions, in line with industry peers. If
this methodology had been in...
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Ah, well that should help them some, but their churn is still vastly higher than Verizon's or Nextel's.

hey, can you ask someone to pass the gravy???

bigdaddyjay said:
hey, can you ask someone to pass the gravy???

Okay, gravy thing's getting a little old.

muchdrama said:

bigdaddyjay said:
hey, can you ask someone to pass the gravy???

Okay, gravy thing's getting a little old.

I keep thinking dustin hoffman in rainman...

"yeah, definately pass the gravy. yeah, I like gravy. Definately good gravy".

PhoenixAshes said:

muchdrama said:

bigdaddyjay said:
hey, can you ask someone to pass the gravy???

Okay, gravy thing's getting a little old.

I keep thinking dustin hoffman in rainman...

"yeah, definately pass the gravy. yeah, I like gravy. Definately good gravy".

Let's not sully Dustin Hoffman's good name.

BetterThanJake said:

PhoenixAshes said:
Since when, in the entire History of Wireless Sales, has 2.4% churn been considered a "High" churn rate?

Hmm... thought it was 2.6%. Wait... it is. You factored out the indirects.

And it certainly is high compared to Verizon. And Nextel as well. C'mon Phoenix, don't try to split hairs... you know that Cingy upper management would give their eye teeth to have VZW-like churn.

Jake, how can you honestly not call yourself a fanboy of Verizon?

Easy... because I'm not. 🙂

A fanboy is someone who slavishly agrees with anything a person or company says and would never dream of being disloyal to said company or person.

M

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If I ,myself, am a fanboy of Cingular, then you are a pigtail wearing cheerleader for Verizon.

Oh, those are just fistfightin' words.

Say my friend. It's funny how you bad mouth Cingular for its merger with AT&T but not Verizon for its merger a few years ago with Bell Mobility, Prime Co., GTE Wireless, and like 2 other companies. That is how Verizon became the largest carrier. Verizon is a great wireless company that has been established with CDMA for a while. Cingular is a up incoming wireless company that has just recently overlayed its TDMA network and now are upgrading to 3G. They both work really well. I have owned both at the same time and there was not much difference in the Houston area. Where one did not work, the other did. So let Cingular get established and work its bugs out the same way Verizon did after its merger a few years ago. Trust me, if Cingul...
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ygbhen said:
Say my friend. It's funny how you bad mouth Cingular for its merger with AT&T but not Verizon for its merger a few years ago with Bell Mobility, Prime Co., GTE Wireless, and like 2 other companies. That is how Verizon became the largest carrier. Verizon is a great wireless company that has been established with CDMA for a while. Cingular is a up incoming wireless company that has just recently overlayed its TDMA network and now are upgrading to 3G. They both work really well. I have owned both at the same time and there was not much difference in the Houston area. Where one did not work, the other did. So let Cingular get established and work its bugs out the same way Verizon did after its merger a fe

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1. Cingular's churn is indeed high compared to Verizon's and Nextel's... about 70% higher in fact (2.4% vs 1.43%). That's just simple math. It might be a pretty good rate for Cingy, but if VZW's churn was that high next quarter some VZW execs would probably be leaping out of some 10th floor windows.

2. Sigh. I'm a VZW fanboy only in the eyes of a particular self-admitted Cingy fanboy, i.e. you. I take no responsbility for your faulty frame of reference. And equating my stance on Bluetooth/data transfer (a very real disagreement I have with VZW) with how your bill is paid is a silly comparison by any measure.

3. Hey, its not just me saying it... you argue with people a great deal, and insult ppl a great deal. And you've gotten many post...
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BetterThanJake said:
1. Cingular's churn is indeed high compared to Verizon's and Nextel's... about 70% higher in fact (2.4% vs 1.43%). That's just simple math. It might be a pretty good rate for Cingy, but if VZW's churn was that high next quarter some VZW execs would probably be leaping out of some 10th floor windows.

There is no disagreement in the fact that Verizon's churn is lowER. This time 18 months ago Verizon's "low" churn was around the same as Cingular's current churn. That number was low then and it's low now that Cingular has one that low. The definition of "low" hasn't changed, buddy. Sorry you are having a hard time with the concept.

2. Sigh. I'm a VZW fanboy only in the eyes of

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Wow.

Does anyone even want this guy on the forum? I'm so sick of wasting my time reading Phoenix's posts. I have no problem with the info you're giving Phoenix, but I'm really tired of the ranting...

It seems that Phoenix is well informed, kudos, but intolerant of others viewpoints and not willing to admit that others have information other than what will make Cingular look like the holy grail. I have found this sarcasm and rudeness to be typical of Cingular people who post on the Verizon forum.
This is the reputation of Cingular.
Actually the rules of debate exclude a person who indulges in sarcasm and personal attacks, so mere debate cannot be the excuse for the bad manners. Personal attacks and sarcasm show either insecurity in one's own position or an inability to articulate one's position.
I can just imagine the scathing rebuttals from Phoenix now, which will only serve to prove my point.
Are all Cingular reps without class ...
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SPCSVZWJeff said:
It seems that Phoenix is well informed, kudos, but intolerant of others viewpoints and not willing to admit that others have information other than what will make Cingular look like the holy grail. I have found this sarcasm and rudeness to be typical of Cingular people who post on the Verizon forum.
This is the reputation of Cingular.
Actually the rules of debate exclude a person who indulges in sarcasm and personal attacks, so mere debate cannot be the excuse for the bad manners. Personal attacks and sarcasm show either insecurity in one's own position or an inability to articulate one's position.
I can just imagine the scathing rebuttals from Phoenix now, which will only serve to prove my point.

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Excuses, excuses everyone's got one just like that hole in "most" human's posterior, except i think yours might be located between your nose and chin. Just a guess though. 🤣

pizpiz80 said:
Excuses, excuses everyone's got one just like that hole in "most" human's posterior, except i think yours might be located between your nose and chin. Just a guess though. 🤣

Hello to you too.
Is that a Verizon greeting?
I used to say "Hello, how are you" when I worked there.

You rip everyone who disagrees with you a new one and then you expect deference?
Don't you get it? You proved my point in an earlier post about rules of debate.
Outright lies on my posts? I do the best I can with the information I get. Much comes from experience in the field as a b2b rep, a retail rep and a retail manager. I also read as much as I can on the internet and in magazines. I ask people such as system engineers, network managers and the like questions about technologies and networks. If I am misinformed it is because I have trusted the wrong people to give reliable information.
You seem to be well informed in everything but simple human relations.
If you want to sway somebody's opinion don't insult them. You only show yourse...
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What I dont understand? All i hear is "Poop, poop, poooooop."

Can YOU hear ME now?

pizpiz80 said:
What I dont understand? All i hear is "Poop, poop, poooooop."

Can YOU hear ME now?

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 ROFL!!! 😁

Stevo2k4 said:
Wow.

Does anyone even want this guy on the forum? I'm so sick of wasting my time reading Phoenix's posts. I have no problem with the info you're giving Phoenix, but I'm really tired of the ranting...

So, Jakes rants are ok?
Funny. Your two posts in a row accused two different cingular people of "rants".
Sick of wasting your time?
Refrain from doing so by not clicking on my posts.

PhoenixAshes said:

Stevo2k4 said:
Wow.

Does anyone even want this guy on the forum? I'm so sick of wasting my time reading Phoenix's posts. I have no problem with the info you're giving Phoenix, but I'm really tired of the ranting...

So, Jakes rants are ok?
Funny. Your two posts in a row accused two different cingular people of "rants".
Sick of wasting your time?
Refrain from doing so by not clicking on my posts.

I'll take that into consideration. Though, as Jeff stated, you are relatively informed on certain matters. Whether other posters pieces are rants or not is not really the question. Is Jake passionate when he speaks, yes. Does he give usually very spe...
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You WILL stop your insulting and belittling posts of me.
That's the bottom line.

Somehow I'm thinking this won't happen.

MuchDrama,
I see the name, but why on earth do always just start **** with other posters? You get of on this or something, if it's not necessary then don't post! You seem like som 15 year old kid posting nonsense.

VZWagent said:
MuchDrama,
I see the name, but why on earth do always just start **** with other posters? You get of on this or something, if it's not necessary then don't post! You seem like som 15 year old kid posting nonsense.

I was speaking on the fact that telling someone what he will and won't do on the internet is just a waste of time. You need to be within physical distance of someone to impose your will.

muchdrama said:

You WILL stop your insulting and belittling posts of me.
That's the bottom line.

Somehow I'm thinking this won't happen.

Reporting the insults and harassment has results.
Ask Cain.

PhoenixAshes said:

muchdrama said:

You WILL stop your insulting and belittling posts of me.
That's the bottom line.

Somehow I'm thinking this won't happen.

Reporting the insults and harassment has results.
Ask Cain.

Why not just ask him yourself. Oh, wait...you are Cain. My bad. As for reporting...yeah, I recently reported the most obscene post I've ever read on this forum.

Lol. HEY, HEY! GOOD-BYE! again!

Hey, md.
Is that your new sidekick?

PhoenixAshes said:
Hey, md.
Is that your new sidekick?

I'd be his sidekick if it meant I didn't have to see your name on this Forum anymore.

Stevo2k4 said:

PhoenixAshes said:
Hey, md.
Is that your new sidekick?

I'd be his sidekick if it meant I didn't have to see your name on this Forum anymore.

Okay. Then it's time to come up with Superhero names for us. I'll be Captain Indifferent. You can be Sgt. Platonic.

muchdrama said:

Stevo2k4 said:

PhoenixAshes said:
Hey, md.
Is that your new sidekick?

I'd be his sidekick if it meant I didn't have to see your name on this Forum anymore.

Okay. Then it's time to come up with Superhero names for us. I'll be Captain Indifferent. You can be Sgt. Platonic.

Sgt. Platonic?... mmmm... I don't know about that... Got anything else?

Stevo2k4 said:

muchdrama said:

Stevo2k4 said:

PhoenixAshes said:
Hey, md.
Is that your new sidekick?

I'd be his sidekick if it meant I didn't have to see your name on this Forum anymore.

Okay. Then it's time to come up with Superhero names for us. I'll be Captain Indifferent. You can be Sgt. Platonic.

Sgt. Platonic?... mmmm... I don't know about that... Got anything else?

Lt. Apathy?

muchdrama said:

Stevo2k4 said:

muchdrama said:

Stevo2k4 said:

PhoenixAshes said:
Hey, md.
Is that your new sidekick?

I'd be his sidekick if it meant I didn't have to see your name on this Forum anymore.

Okay. Then it's time to come up with Superhero names for us. I'll be Captain Indifferent. You can be Sgt. Platonic.

Sgt. Platonic?... mmmm... I don't know about that... Got anything else?

Lt. Apathy?

I'll be the evil villain, Mr. Manic. 🤣
😈
Better yet, Major Manic.

"Manic"? You might be missing a letter "a" in there, P 😉

BetterThanJake said:
"Manic"? You might be missing a letter "a" in there, P 😉

Now that's not nice... I gotta say I appreciate Major (Phoenix) and his attempt at lightheartedness. Besides, it's not a letter that's missing, it's a word "Major manic-depressive. 😉

~Steve

PhoenixAshes said:

muchdrama said:

Stevo2k4 said:

muchdrama said:

Stevo2k4 said:

PhoenixAshes said:
Hey, md.
Is that your new sidekick?

I'd be his sidekick if it meant I didn't have to see your name on this Forum anymore.

Okay. Then it's time to come up with Superhero names for us. I'll be Captain Indifferent. You can be Sgt. Platonic.

Sgt. Platonic?... mmmm... I don't know about that... Got anything else?

Lt. Apathy?

I'll be the evil villain, Mr. Manic. 🤣
😈
Better yet, Major Manic.

I'm calling you Major from now on...
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muchdrama said:

Stevo2k4 said:

muchdrama said:

Stevo2k4 said:

PhoenixAshes said:
Hey, md.
Is that your new sidekick?

I'd be his sidekick if it meant I didn't have to see your name on this Forum anymore.

Okay. Then it's time to come up with Superhero names for us. I'll be Captain Indifferent. You can be Sgt. Platonic.

Sgt. Platonic?... mmmm... I don't know about that... Got anything else?

Lt. Apathy?

How about Captain Obvious.... Can I be Captain Obvious?!?! Can I?

Stevo2k4 said:

muchdrama said:

Stevo2k4 said:

muchdrama said:

Stevo2k4 said:

PhoenixAshes said:
Hey, md.
Is that your new sidekick?

I'd be his sidekick if it meant I didn't have to see your name on this Forum anymore.

Okay. Then it's time to come up with Superhero names for us. I'll be Captain Indifferent. You can be Sgt. Platonic.

Sgt. Platonic?... mmmm... I don't know about that... Got anything else?

Lt. Apathy?

How about Captain Obvious.... Can I be Captain Obvious?!?! Can I?

That's fine with me. So we've got the Major, Captain Obvious,...
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muchdrama said:

Stevo2k4 said:

muchdrama said:

Stevo2k4 said:

muchdrama said:

Stevo2k4 said:

PhoenixAshes said:
Hey, md.
Is that your new sidekick?

I'd be his sidekick if it meant I didn't have to see your name on this Forum anymore.

Okay. Then it's time to come up with Superhero names for us. I'll be Captain Indifferent. You can be Sgt. Platonic.

Sgt. Platonic?... mmmm... I don't know about that... Got anything else?

Lt. Apathy?

How about Captain Obvious.... Can I be Captain Obvious?!?! Can I?

That's fine with me. So w

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Aleq said:

How about Corporal Punishment? Private Number? Sergeant Scheisskopf? Captain Craptastic? Lance Corporal Boyle? (wait for it...) Major Disaster? Colonel Korn? General Disarray? I'll stop now... 😁

Wow. Great suggestions! I'm seriously impressed with how creativily your mind works - mine's so not like that so I really respect that when I see it. And BTW, I really did have to "wait for it" on that one name... 🤣 Nice post... 🙂

muchdrama said:
Okay. Then it's time to come up with Superhero names for us. I'll be Captain Indifferent. You can be Sgt. Platonic.

Ooh ooh! Can I be General-ly Not Impressed? 🙂

BetterThanJake said:

muchdrama said:
Okay. Then it's time to come up with Superhero names for us. I'll be Captain Indifferent. You can be Sgt. Platonic.

Ooh ooh! Can I be General-ly Not Impressed? 🙂

General.

PhoenixAshes said:
Hey, md.
Is that your new sidekick?

Why? Looking for an excuse? From what I've seen you don't need one.

I think he was actually talking about me. 🙄

muchdrama said:

PhoenixAshes said:

muchdrama said:

You WILL stop your insulting and belittling posts of me.
That's the bottom line.

Somehow I'm thinking this won't happen.

Reporting the insults and harassment has results.
Ask Cain.

Why not just ask him yourself. Oh, wait...you are Cain. My bad. As for reporting...yeah, I recently reported the most obscene post I've ever read on this forum.

Here we go with that crap again.
😳
You never get tired of being wrong do you?
Seriously.
When are you going to drop it? If it were true, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

ps.Who posted the crooked pos...
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PhoenixAshes said:

muchdrama said:

PhoenixAshes said:

muchdrama said:

You WILL stop your insulting and belittling posts of me.
That's the bottom line.

Somehow I'm thinking this won't happen.

Reporting the insults and harassment has results.
Ask Cain.

Why not just ask him yourself. Oh, wait...you are Cain. My bad. As for reporting...yeah, I recently reported the most obscene post I've ever read on this forum.

Here we go with that crap again.
😳
You never get tired of being wrong do you?
Seriously.
When are you going to drop it? If it were true, we wouldn't be having this conversation righ

...
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PhoenixAshes said:
There is no disagreement in the fact that Verizon's churn is lowER. This time 18 months ago Verizon's "low" churn was around the same as Cingular's current churn. That number was low then and it's low now that Cingular has one that low. The definition of "low" hasn't changed, buddy. Sorry you are having a hard time with the concept.

Sigh. 2.4 is a lot higher than 1.43. If Verizon's and Nextel's churn is low, sorry, Cingy's just isn't... that's the nature of competitive capitalism, you measure your performance against those of your competition. What part of this or basic math is difficult? Stop splitting hairs, no one's buying it. Instead, accept the fact that Cingy has some work to do here...
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Here we go with the pull string dolly again.
All those words and still no substance.

On the contrary dear sir, I summed matters up quite well. 😉

Oh and Verizon has only been putting those kinds of numbers up for 1 year. So, it's not like Verizon has been adding 1.5 million per wuarter for the last 5 years...


😕 😕 😕
Now im new to this... but the math... verizon would have to had done exactly that to get the amount of subs they have @ 42 million...

How many did they have when they began? Thats alot of subs mate... and they didn't come on over nite.

Curious... I keep on reading about pro-forma... pro-forma is not an actual number but a type of estimate... how many subs did Cingy actually add cuz I'm not believin the hype because they are addin the pro-forma figures to the 46-47 mil total and not factoring churn or anything like...

Just a thinking man's perspective ...
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adilus said:
Oh and Verizon has only been putting those kinds of numbers up for 1 year. So, it's not like Verizon has been adding 1.5 million per wuarter for the last 5 years...


😕 😕 😕
Now im new to this... but the math... verizon would have to had done exactly that to get the amount of subs they have @ 42 million...

How many did they have when they began? Thats alot of subs mate... and they didn't come on over nite.

Curious... I keep on reading about pro-forma... pro-forma is not an actual number but a type of estimate... how many subs did Cingy actually add cuz I'm not believin the hype because they are addin the pro-forma figures to the 46-47 mil total and not factoring churn or anything like...

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PhoenixAshes said:

adilus said:
Oh and Verizon has only been putting those kinds of numbers up for 1 year. So, it's not like Verizon has been adding 1.5 million per wuarter for the last 5 years...


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Now im new to this... but the math... verizon would have to had done exactly that to get the amount of subs they have @ 42 million...

How many did they have when they began? Thats alot of subs mate... and they didn't come on over nite.

Curious... I keep on reading about pro-forma... pro-forma is not an actual number but a type of estimate... how many subs did Cingy actually add cuz I'm not believin the hype because they are addin the pro-forma figures to the 46-47 mil total and not fa

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muchdrama said:We need to come up with a better forumla for determining the number one carrier in the US. My pick is outright reliability. I could care less if a carrier has more customers than the other. More customers won't help me complete a call in more places.

Agreed.

coldsteel said:

muchdrama said:We need to come up with a better forumla for determining the number one carrier in the US. My pick is outright reliability. I could care less if a carrier has more customers than the other. More customers won't help me complete a call in more places.

Agreed.

I'll second that.

I'll third that.

I also agree.
I think it should be on based on the largest network.
Or even how many markets you serve.

If we went by reliability alone, we'd all be behind US Cellular and Alltel....

PhoenixAshes said:
I also agree.
I think it should be on based on the largest network.
Or even how many markets you serve.

If we went by reliability alone, we'd all be behind US Cellular and Alltel....

How about the ability to make a call in more places than any other carrier?

Good point.
Here in the Northwest Cingular (formerly ATTWS) has less coverage than anyone else but T-Mobile.
Their dropped call rate is the highest in the market. The entire central and Eastern sections of Oregon and a huge chunk of Idaho have no GSM coverage whatsoever.
Now I am sure that it will get fixed but that is today's reality.

SPCSVZWJeff said:
Good point.
Here in the Northwest Cingular (formerly ATTWS) has less coverage than anyone else but T-Mobile.
Their dropped call rate is the highest in the market. The entire central and Eastern sections of Oregon and a huge chunk of Idaho have no GSM coverage whatsoever.
Now I am sure that it will get fixed but that is today's reality.

It's only a matter of time. The west is Cingular's biggest problem.

muchdrama said:

PhoenixAshes said:
I also agree.
I think it should be on based on the largest network.
Or even how many markets you serve.

If we went by reliability alone, we'd all be behind US Cellular and Alltel....

How about the ability to make a call in more places than any other carrier?

That would go hand in hand with the largest network.

PhoenixAshes said:

muchdrama said:

PhoenixAshes said:
I also agree.
I think it should be on based on the largest network.
Or even how many markets you serve.

If we went by reliability alone, we'd all be behind US Cellular and Alltel....

How about the ability to make a call in more places than any other carrier?

That would go hand in hand with the largest network.

Correct. Verzion.

muchdrama said:

PhoenixAshes said:

muchdrama said:

PhoenixAshes said:
I also agree.
I think it should be on based on the largest network.
Or even how many markets you serve.

If we went by reliability alone, we'd all be behind US Cellular and Alltel....

How about the ability to make a call in more places than any other carrier?

That would go hand in hand with the largest network.

Correct. Verzion.

As of 10/26/04, Cingular. 😉

PhoenixAshes said:

muchdrama said:

PhoenixAshes said:

muchdrama said:

PhoenixAshes said:
I also agree.
I think it should be on based on the largest network.
Or even how many markets you serve.

If we went by reliability alone, we'd all be behind US Cellular and Alltel....

How about the ability to make a call in more places than any other carrier?

That would go hand in hand with the largest network.

Correct. Verzion.

As of 10/26/04, Cingular. 😉

Go take a look at Mobile PC's latest issue. Tell me which map is more comprehensive. We're not just talking about digital here....
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muchdrama said:

PhoenixAshes said:

muchdrama said:

PhoenixAshes said:

muchdrama said:

PhoenixAshes said:
I also agree.
I think it should be on based on the largest network.
Or even how many markets you serve.

If we went by reliability alone, we'd all be behind US Cellular and Alltel....

How about the ability to make a call in more places than any other carrier?

That would go hand in hand with the largest network.

Correct. Verzion.

As of 10/26/04, Cingular. 😉

Go take a look at Mobile PC's latest issue. Tell me which map is more comprehensive. We're

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I'm never going to believe that Cingular has more coverage, until they get stores and coverage in my state.

pizpiz80 said:
I'm never going to believe that Cingular has more coverage, until they get stores and coverage in my state.

I'm in the exact same boat with you.
I will never believe Verizon has more coverage, until they get stores and coverage in my state. I'm in oklahoma, where are you?

PhoenixAshes said:

pizpiz80 said:
I'm never going to believe that Cingular has more coverage, until they get stores and coverage in my state.

I'm in the exact same boat with you.
I will never believe Verizon has more coverage, until they get stores and coverage in my state. I'm in oklahoma, where are you?

After looking at both coverage maps, it looks like Cingular and Verizon have the same amount of coverage. There are some small parts where Cingular has coverage and Verizon doesn't, but there are also areas where Verizon has coverage and Cingular does not. All in all its about the same amount of coverage.

Darth_Ix said:
Just as a side not have you seen the new price plans? They are ludicrus. Family talk on plans 69.99 and higher? 500kb on media basics packages? These revenue driving changes are going to get this company into trouble with potential customers. I can see it now.

Cust: Why would I activate fourlines and spend 99.96 for 1100 minutes thatI'm not going to use with Cingularwhen I could pay 79.97 for four lines and get 500 minutes which is more than I need and get the m2m an nights and weekends with Verizon.

Me: I can't see why you wouldn't do that. Sorry I couldn't match the great deal from verizon.

Now that isn't to say that that plan is going to fit everyone and there are going to be some people

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PhoenixAshes said:
I think you are under the mistaken impression that you can only get Family Talk on plans of 69.99 or higher. That is not the case. You can get Family Talk on lower price plans, but the extra lines cost 19.99 instead of 9.99.

You think four Family Talk lines can survive on 500 minutes?
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I'd agree that the data packages are not very good, but the voice plans are still very competitive.

Don't wanna burst your bubble, but I'll be totally honest. I've sen 4 family share lines work with 500 minutes many many times. They have thousands of MOU, but most are on weekends, and damn can people use the unl MTM.

Stevo2k4 said:

PhoenixAshes said:
I think you are under the mistaken impression that you can only get Family Talk on plans of 69.99 or higher. That is not the case. You can get Family Talk on lower price plans, but the extra lines cost 19.99 instead of 9.99.

You think four Family Talk lines can survive on 500 minutes?
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I'd agree that the data packages are not very good, but the voice plans are still very competitive.

Don't wanna burst your bubble, but I'll be totally honest. I've sen 4 family share lines work with 500 minutes many many times. They have thousands of MOU, but most are on weekends, and damn can people use the unl MTM.

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