will verizon ever go GSM????????
I have a question for all the tech buffs out there. Does anyone know or as has anyone heard of Verizon ever converting to GSM? I've heard from people on both sides meaning both Cingular and Verizon that Verizon will eventually have to switch over to GSM.
I don't personally see why they would ever have to switch seeing as how good and reliable there network currently is! But what does the future hold for CDMA? is Ev-DO as far as it goes? or is there something even better in the works?
If anyone else has some knowledge into this please let me know. Who will ultimately have the better service in say a year Verizon or Cingular?? Also is live T.V. coming to Verizon now that they have ev-do? you know like mobi tv?
I don't personally see why they would ever have to switch seeing as how good and reliable there network currently is! But what does the future hold for CDMA? is Ev-DO as far as it goes? or is there something even better in the works?
If anyone else has some knowledge into this please let me know. Who will ultimately have the better service in say a year Verizon or Cingular?? Also is live T.V. coming to Verizon now that they have ev-do? you know like mobi tv?
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no. good things. i doubt it. probably. hard to say. im pretty sure. yes, like mobi tv.
Those are just my opinions though.
Those are just my opinions though.
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maverick96 said: If anyone else has some knowledge into this please let me know. Who will ultimately have the better service in say a year Verizon or Cingular?? Also is live T.V. coming to Verizon now that they have ev-do? you know like mobi tv?
No, there's no need to switch to GSM. VZW wont "have" to.
Yes, there's something better ahead. EV-VD Evolution Data and Voice. A truly 3G technology.
1xEV-DV combines the high-speed HDR technology from 1xEV-DO with the widely-deployed 1xRTT standard. It integrates seamlessly with 1xRTT, providing full backward-compatibility and simultaneous voice and data. There are two versions of 1xEV-DV currently being prepared: "Release C" and "Release D". Release C provide...
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I hate to do this to you but here goes.
EV DV is pretty much dead and will not see consumer use, Sprint has backed out and Verizon never said they would use it. The next evolution to EV DO will be release A. This can be found in the latest Andy Seybold forum in Wirelessweek.com.
EV DV is pretty much dead and will not see consumer use, Sprint has backed out and Verizon never said they would use it. The next evolution to EV DO will be release A. This can be found in the latest Andy Seybold forum in Wirelessweek.com.
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bigdaddyjay said:
I hate to do this to you but here goes.
EV DV is pretty much dead and will not see consumer use, Sprint has backed out and Verizon never said they would use it. The next evolution to EV DO will be release A. This can be found in the latest Andy Seybold forum in Wirelessweek.com.
Ok, I guess there are even more reason to ditch Verizon, and just go GSM.
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Why would you ditch Verizon????? EV DO rev A will support the same data speeds as EV DV and EV DO Rev A chipsets will be out sooner. Current EV DO speeds are 2.4mbps without compression software. I have seen speeds over 3.5mbps on the laptop I am using now with Verizon's EV DO service here in Chicago. EV DV is supposed to support speeds of 3.1mbps which is what they are saying EV DO Rev A will support. EV DV won't be commercially available until well into 2006 while Rev A chips are rumored to ship this year. GSM will not currently come close to these speeds, UMTS isn't nearly as fast as EV DO and HSDPA products are also rumored to be a low priority with handset manufacturers. Going to GSM now would be like trading in a Caorvette C5 bec...
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Why would you ditch Verizon????? EV DO rev A will support the same data speeds as EV DV and EV DO Rev A chipsets will be out sooner. Current EV DO speeds are 2.4mbps without compression software. I have seen speeds over 3.5mbps on the laptop I am using now with Verizon's EV DO service here in Chicago. EV DV is supposed to support speeds of 3.1mbps which is what they are saying EV DO Rev A will support. EV DV won't be commercially available until well into 2006 while Rev A chips are rumored to ship this year. GSM will not currently come close to these speeds, UMTS isn't nearly as fast as EV DO and HSDPA products are also rumored to be a low priority with handset manufacturers. Going to GSM now would
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Hey Spanky isn't it HSDPA???? can't you get your crap straight or what??? Read the latest RCRNews moron and you will see that HSDPA is a low priority with handset manufacturers. I believe the only company that will have an offering is Sierra Wireless with lap top cards. HSDPA is at least a year away so if it does live up to it's claim this then fine but until then Cingular is running behind but still trying to raise the bar. Now go back to you dungeons and Dragon chat group squid.
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No Verizon won't have to switch to GSM.
There will be a time that they have to switch to a different technology, but no one is sure what it is yet.
But the technology could very well be the same technology that current gsm carriers would be switching to.
We won't know for several years.
There will be a time that they have to switch to a different technology, but no one is sure what it is yet.
But the technology could very well be the same technology that current gsm carriers would be switching to.
We won't know for several years.
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And don't forget that verizon can carry phones that contain both cdma and gsm in them like the samsung world phone. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a few more of those pop up down the road but I highly doubt verizon would waste there money converting over to gsm as there primary, that would be a downgrade🙂
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Folks, you have NO IDEA what are you talking about. What's faster then GPRS? right, EDGE! But what's faster then EDGE on GSM? NOTHING!!! Next step is W-CDMA. CDMA is what Verizon's using right now as a base for 1x and EV-DO. So Cingular is going to sell the CDMA units somewhere in 2006, witch aren't gonna work with GSM, unless there's 2 chips in the PCMCIA card.
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You have no idea.
CDMA and WCDMA are NOT the same technology. WCDMA has a GSM core with a CDMA overlay (basically the code encryption part of CDMA). WCDMA is fully backwards compatable with GSM, so when you don't get a WCDMA signal, GSM will kick in.
CDMA and WCDMA are NOT the same technology. WCDMA has a GSM core with a CDMA overlay (basically the code encryption part of CDMA). WCDMA is fully backwards compatable with GSM, so when you don't get a WCDMA signal, GSM will kick in.
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I don't know if thats tru... Japan uses UMTS and I know for a fact that because of the freq diffs, it won't pickup a GSM signmal.
Now if they use the 1800/1900 freqs that might be the case, but aren't they still gonna need the dual chips...?
Now if they use the 1800/1900 freqs that might be the case, but aren't they still gonna need the dual chips...?
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Seeing as Cingular only has licenses for the 850 and 1900 frequencies, both WCDMA and GSM will be using the same bands. Japan's WCDMA is slightly different than Cingular's, and I was informed a few days ago (but still not positive its true) that Japan doesn't use HSDPA.
WCDMA on Cingular's network will be fully backwards compatable with GSM. Don't you worry.
WCDMA on Cingular's network will be fully backwards compatable with GSM. Don't you worry.
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RUFF1415 said:
You have no idea.
CDMA and WCDMA are NOT the same technology. WCDMA has a GSM core with a CDMA overlay (basically the code encryption part of CDMA). WCDMA is fully backwards compatable with GSM, so when you don't get a WCDMA signal, GSM will kick in.
Finally some on else with some sense!!!! WCDMA is very much GSM based technology with a CDMA air-interface...
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And this is probably where Verizon will end up next. However, that will happen further down the road than the first release of WCDMA. At one point, GSM and CDMA are going to have to meet to yield the best technology possible. WCDMA is just the first step toward that integration.
My assumption (and this is just my opinion, before you all start flaming me) is that by 2010 we will see a technology that is a complete integration between GSM and CDMA and all of the major carriers will be using it.
My assumption (and this is just my opinion, before you all start flaming me) is that by 2010 we will see a technology that is a complete integration between GSM and CDMA and all of the major carriers will be using it.
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SForsyth01 said:
....we will see a technology that is a complete integration between GSM and CDMA and all of the major carriers will be using it.
That'll be terrible, we wont have anything else to talk about... could you imagine a world without the rivalry between CDMA Vs GSM???
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I think it will be sooner than that. There is a Wimax, like a cable modem phone, but over the air. Say goodbye to switch stations, it will only be internet calling. The towers for this are much less expensive (I think only around $10k) and data and voice go over the same networking. No need for CDMA or GSM, and data speeds 10X faster than HSDPA. Don't quote me on the numbers, but I do know they have done serious testing in Korea, and they may be switching to that in the next 1-2 years. 😲
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kvazzz said:
Folks, you have NO IDEA what are you talking about. ...
Wow, really? And most of the crap you just spurted makes no sense whatsoever...
Better to keep quiet and let people think you're a fool, then to type on your keyboard and remove all doubt.
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Actually you got it backwards... Cingular will eventually go to W-CDMA. GSM is an old technology... we've had it in Europe for 15 years+ UMTS which is true 3G is a CDMA technology.
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Well I thought I knew my stuff, but you guys are confusing me here now. WCDMA and UMTS I thought to be the same thing or the terms are interchangable. So WCDMA is based off GSM and is backwards compatible and UMTS is based off CDMA ... is it backwards compatible as well?
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Yes. This the point I was getting at in an earlier post. My opinion is that at one point, you will see both of these technologies be 100% compatible with each other.
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UMTS (WCDMA) is NOT based off of CDMA! Once again, WCDMA uses a GSM core for the technology. The only aspect similar to CDMA is the coded air-interface.
WCDMA and CDMA, very much different technologies.
WCDMA and CDMA, very much different technologies.
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No. Verizon will never switch to GSM. Period. Absolutely zero chance. Seriously.
It would be a step backward, because GSM is a 2G / 2.5G technology, and Verizon already has 3G with their new CDMA EV-DO network.
Even if it weren't for that, there's just no reason to. CDMA works very well for them. The minor advantages of switching to GSM would be far outweighed by the enormous cost (many billions) of switching (and the lunacy of ditching a perfectly good network, and the inconvenience to customers...)
Plus I don't think they even have the spectrum to handle a switch like that. You need extra spectrum to run two technologies at once (during the transition). Verizon doesn't have that kind of spare spectrum.
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It would be a step backward, because GSM is a 2G / 2.5G technology, and Verizon already has 3G with their new CDMA EV-DO network.
Even if it weren't for that, there's just no reason to. CDMA works very well for them. The minor advantages of switching to GSM would be far outweighed by the enormous cost (many billions) of switching (and the lunacy of ditching a perfectly good network, and the inconvenience to customers...)
Plus I don't think they even have the spectrum to handle a switch like that. You need extra spectrum to run two technologies at once (during the transition). Verizon doesn't have that kind of spare spectrum.
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No. Verizon will never switch to GSM. Period. Absolutely zero chance. Seriously.
It would be a step backward, because GSM is a 2G / 2.5G technology, and Verizon already has 3G with their new CDMA EV-DO network.
Even if it weren't for that, there's just no reason to. CDMA works very well for them. The minor advantages of switching to GSM would be far outweighed by the enormous cost (many billions) of switching (and the lunacy of ditching a perfectly good network, and the inconvenience to customers...)
Plus I don't think they even have the spectrum to handle a switch like that. You need extra spectrum to run two technologies at once (during the transition). Verizon doesn't have that kind of spare s
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Rich Brome said:
No. Verizon will never switch to GSM. Period. Absolutely zero chance. Seriously.
It would be a step backward, because GSM is a 2G / 2.5G technology, and Verizon already has 3G with their new CDMA EV-DO network.
Even if it weren't for that, there's just no reason to. CDMA works very well for them.
Thanks for the clarification, Rich. 🙂
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Rich Brome said:
In fact, It's Cingular that is already starting to move away from GSM. Not immediately, but they are laying the groundwork by deploying WCDMA/UMTS with HSDPA.
I'm not sure I agree with that.
Isn't Cingular expanding GSM?
I've heard that Cingular will keep GSM for at least 10 more years.
Isn't Cingular's umts mostly designed to compliment the gsm network?
All of the available umts phones all have gsm also.
Do you think that Cingular will ditch gsm in the next 10 years?
I'd like to know your opinion on it.
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PhoenixAshes said:Rich Brome said:
In fact, It's Cingular that is already starting to move away from GSM. Not immediately, but they are laying the groundwork by deploying WCDMA/UMTS with HSDPA.
I'm not sure I agree with that.
Isn't Cingular expanding GSM?
I've heard that Cingular will keep GSM for at least 10 more years.
Isn't Cingular's umts mostly designed to compliment the gsm network?
All of the available umts phones all have gsm also.
Do you think that Cingular will ditch gsm in the next 10 years?
I'd like to know your opinion on it.
A UMTS network is a GSM core with a CDMA air interface... GSM CORE + CDMA air interface = UMTS/W-CDMA
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AtTheMet said:
A UMTS network is a GSM core with a CDMA air interface... GSM CORE + CDMA air interface = UMTS/W-CDMA
So w-cdma = wanabe cdma?
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schnozejt said:AtTheMet said:
A UMTS network is a GSM core with a CDMA air interface... GSM CORE + CDMA air interface = UMTS/W-CDMA
So w-cdma = wanabe cdma?
Uh oh... I can see the flames coming from the die hard GSM lovers:
"Why would we wannt be CDMA? CDMA stinks! It's not a global technology, it's not as big, it's not as cool, it boring, it's for nerds..."
::sigh::
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thank you for the clarification seems like GSM doesn't make much sense with the exception of being able to use one sim card in many different phones!
Verizon seems to be consistentely ranked number one by consumer reports in every major city in the country. Would seem like cingular would want to get on verizon's band wagon!!!
Verizon seems to be consistentely ranked number one by consumer reports in every major city in the country. Would seem like cingular would want to get on verizon's band wagon!!!
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