MArketing Ploy?

I think not. I dont know about you but I like getting all the minutes i pay for and have a year to use minutes not used this month. That is not a ploy. It is a great plan that works for those who do not live on their phones and/or have Month to MOnth erratic use.

Verizon plays it down as a ploy but it is more than that for low end users especially who do not use a lot of daytime minutes.

For example i have 450 Daytime minutes and 5000 nite and WE. I have 1800 minutes in my bank and even though each month after a year I lose minutes I still gain leftover minutes. So basically I get now 1200 minutes is any given month for $39 . Not a bad deal at all.

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kingfrog77 said:

That said, I would not be surprised if VErizon comes up with some kind of "variable" minute plan as they continue to play catch up to Cingulars offerings.

Catch Up??? I think not. VZW has been on top of the game for so long it is pathetic. And they still have the most reliable wireless network. Cingy had to buy their way up to VZW's level and their network will NEVER be as good.

I was just trying to get an answer on a rumor that I read about. I was hoping that people would not turn this into a pissing contest between VZW and Cingular as they do everything else. But I guess this is what I get for hoping.

Their network will NEVER be as good? 😕

That's a very, very bold statement.

I disagree.

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. That is the beauty of this country.

Not for long 😢

CDMA > GSM
Fact

please explain. this is something ive been wondering for a while. i really like the idea of GSM and have been contemplating cingy because of it. but i feel bad because i support verizon so much because they are such a great carrier.

TommyBoy said:
CDMA > GSM
Fact

That's actually an opinion.
Much like comparing ravioli to macaroni and cheese.

Oh, and the discussion is rollover, not gsm vs cdma.

PhoenixAshes said:

TommyBoy said:
CDMA > GSM
Fact

That's actually an opinion.
Much like comparing ravioli to macaroni and cheese.

Oh, and the discussion is rollover, not gsm vs cdma.

Ha! You bit the flame bait! I like ravioli better than mac and cheese.

If Verizon changes anything it will be closer to a Fair and Flexible than rollover for the simple reason that when you exhaust your rollover bank you are hit with overage charges at anywhere from .25 to .40 per minute. With Fair and Flexible all of your overage minutes are about .05 each.

Or the sales rep can just do a better job at helping the customer get the right price plan with no need for rollover minutes.

What planet do live on that has no users who have fluctuations in usage? I wanna sell phones there. It comes down to this - Some people want the security of those few minutes rolling over to help them avoid overage charges. Rollover is one of the most misunderstood programs in wireless. Once you understand it, it makes a bit more sense.

I sell alltel, cingular, sprint and suncom. I like to sell alltel becuase its like my own verizon. The coverage is awesome and its rare to get a dissatisfied customer. But when a customer comes in and ask about cingular and its roll over minutes, I tell them why would you need roll over. All it means is you are on the wrong plan and you are paying too much for minutes you are not using. Thats also why I dont sell alltels touch to talk (sounds so gay) Why pay for walkie talkie minutes when you get mobile to mobile minutes for free. Nextel is the only smart company that offers walkie talkie minutes. They dont offer m2m just walkie talkie minutes.

You are obviously one of these people that does not grasp the possibility of someone actually having sparatic minute of usage. Not all people use the same number of minutes every month. I normally use between 200 and 300, and I use about 500-600 m2m minutes. But there are some months that I use well over 600 minutes. In that case, rollover would be great for me.

I dont think rollover would be great, a person like you, I say the new fair and flexible plan is best. why pay the same monthly plan everymonth when u can have a plan that starts off at 35.00 and if you are a person who uses 500 minutes a months it will only cost you 10 dollars more to get those minutes and if you used less then 300 mins that month you just pay the 35. I like that better then paying 49.99 for 600 minutes and like an idiot every month I dont use all my minutes but they just keep on adding up. I laugh at some of the customers that come in around december talking about how they need to hurry and use all their minutes they have been building up for the past year before they lose them.

ccanady said:
I laugh at some of the customers that come in around december talking about how they need to hurry and use all their minutes they have been building up for the past year before they lose them.

🤣 That would be pretty funny considering that Rollover minutes don't expire. 🤣

Please, know the logistics of what you're talking about before you diss it because you're too ignorant to know the facts.

RUFF1415 said:

ccanady said:
I laugh at some of the customers that come in around december talking about how they need to hurry and use all their minutes they have been building up for the past year before they lose them.

🤣 That would be pretty funny considering that Rollover minutes don't expire. 🤣

Please, know the logistics of what you're talking about before you diss it because you're too ignorant to know the facts.

ok call into customer service now and ask them. I know what I am talking about and roll over minutes expire after a year... Now go kill yourself for thinking you knew what you was talking about.

NO only the month they are aquired expire a year later. I may lose up to 200 minutes per month in a year....but net adding 100.

I have the cheapest roll over plan at $39 and have 1200 extra minutes,,,how is that a bad deal?

I dont live on my phone and I can use it without regard to the minute usage after the first four months. That sounds pretty good to me no matter how you Verizon fan boys try to spin it.

Roll over is the best plan for a 450 min buyer who does not use 400 prime minutes a month hands down

I hate all the freaking finger pointing and name calling and who is better than who crap, but I have to chime in and say niether rollover nor rollover minutes expire on December 31st. Each month lasts for twelve months. One month is defined from billing cycle date to billing cycle date.

Ccanady, it's not nice to tell people to die, especially when they were right. Since you sell four different carriers, you should do a bit more to research what you sell and you might see an increase in your profit. I do agree that it's pointless to pay for something you get for free, such as touch to talk when mobile to mobile is free. You're doing your customers a favor by getting what is best for them rather than only trying to make money.

Verizon sales people are right up there with Used Car and Timeshare sales people.

Ccanady sells alltel, cingular, sprint and suncom, but uses verizon. I know you hate it when people trash talk all cingular reps, and verizon employees don't like it either. We both know there are people at the bottom of the barrel in every company.

Im sorry, I misunderstood my CTC rep when she explained how they rolled over. She told me they expire after a year but never told me the month u did not use expire after a year. Most of you dont know what CTC is but they are a third party company that owns an area over here, they sell cingular products and service but your bill comes from CTC. I guess its better to get the info from the source rather then the 3rd man. I just called into customer service and they explained in details roll over. Oh and I do not use Verizon, Im will Alltel their eveil twin sister (lol). If you look at the coverage map for both you will understand why I say twin.

I have nothing against Verizon but it trips me to see ppl fighting over who has better coverage....
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ccanady said:
Im sorry, I misunderstood my CTC rep when she explained how they rolled over. She told me they expire after a year but never told me the month u did not use expire after a year.

Yes. This is exactly the type of misinformation we are talking about. I know you were misinformed, but this is the typical method used to debunk rollover. Other carriers spread the misinfo about rollover hoping that no one will actually talk to Cingular about it. I'm glad you were able to find out the truth.

Way to go champ. 🙄

I don't have to call into customer service because I DO know what I'm talking about. After your initial year of service you'll always have 12 months of minutes banked. Rollover minutes don't just disappear all at once.

P.S. Maybe you should go kill youself for thinking that "you know what you was talking about"...

🙄

WTF man Good grief!!!! 🙄

Did you even read the post I was responding to?

Good grief. 🙄

I have to give it to you, you was right in a way. The minutes do expire after a year so I was half right and you was half right. So why dont we both just lay in the streets together and see who gets ran over first. I may sell cingular but when you actually explain to a customer that roll over minutes is not good and that if you are rolling over your minutes you are on the wrong plan, they tend to look away from it. Now if you have a family who wants roll over I would not mind doing that becuase now you have two ppl on the plan and that does make a difference. Now a person using 200 or less on minutes a month and wants roll over. I would laugh at them for paying 39.99 when they can just pay 29.99 and dont worry about roll over. Sprints fair a...
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ccanady said:
I may sell cingular but when you actually explain to a customer that roll over minutes is not good and that if you are rolling over your minutes you are on the wrong plan, they tend to look away from it.

If you explain that rollover isn't a good option, then that's the problem.
Bottom line:
Sales: Sir/Ma'am, Do you use the same amount of minutes every month?
Customer: No. Sometimes I use less, sometimes more.
Sales: Then a Cingular rollover plan would be good for you.
Customer: what about Sprint's Fair and Flexible?
Sales: It's a good plan, but 900 minutes from Cingular will cost you 59.99. Sprint gives you 800 minutes for 80.00 on the Fair and Flexible.

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who told you that you can get fair and flexible for $80 bucks and get only 800 mins? 😕 Look at their rate plans again.
Lets see who is cheaper:

Cingular:

$59.99 = 900 roll over peak. Add $7 to get N&w 7pm - 7 am. now if they go lets say 100 mins over then they pay 40. Add that to their bill and its now 109.99 plus tax


Sprint

$50.00 = 0 - 700 peak and we will add 15. why 15 you ask, 5 for m2m, 5 for free roaming and 5 for 7pm - 7am n&w.thats a total of $65.00 now if the sprint customer goes over 100 mines their total bill for that month is hmmmm 70.00 plus tax.

Now I can say I have roll over minutes so that means for a couple of months I would have to talk under my minutes in order to build them up. You b

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Good comparison, but that was 1000 minutes on Cingular vs 800 on Sprint.

1000 v 1000 would be $109.99 Cingy, $80 Sprinty.

The Sprint plans are indeed more "flexible", however most people who just suddenly jumped over their minutes one month would've had a rollover balance to cover the cost. Even if they only had two months of usage at 850, the month they talked 1000 minutes wouldn't cost them a dime more. Then you'd be comparing 63.99 to 80. They both have their virtues. I'd definitely say the Sprint plan is more Flexible, but I'd call the Cingy plan more Fair, since you don't usually talk in 100 minute increments and therefore keep everything you didn't use.

ccanady said:
who told you that you can get fair and flexible for $80 bucks and get only 800 mins? 😕 Look at their rate plans again.
Lets see who is cheaper:

Cingular:

$59.99 = 900 roll over peak. Add $7 to get N&w 7pm - 7 am. now if they go lets say 100 mins over then they pay 40. Add that to their bill and its now 109.99 plus tax


Sprint

$50.00 = 0 - 700 peak and we will add 15. why 15 you ask, 5 for m2m, 5 for free roaming and 5 for 7pm - 7am n&w.thats a total of $65.00 now if the sprint customer goes over 100 mines their total bill for that month is hmmmm 70.00 plus tax.

Now I can say I have roll over minutes so that means for a couple of months I would have to talk under my minutes i

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You wouldn't get sued, all you have to do is call it something else.

You dont really beleive that do you quitarman?

i don't know much about this, but, whatever happened when verizon came out with push to talk, nextel filed suit on that, and verizon and others are still doing it, so, I would think that rollover would be the same deal, just call it something different. How can cingular stop any cell company from offering rollover minutes to their customers, if this were the case, then whoever came out with unlimited night and weekend minutes first should be putting a stop to the rest of the companies from doing it, and they all use the same name for it, or mobile to mobile minutes. I would bet that if verizon, uscc, alltel, tmobile, or whoever wanted to offer their customers rollover minutes, they can and cingular would not be able to stop it, if they cou...
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Nextel had a patent on the PTT technology. Once that expired, PTT was fair game. Similarly, Cingular has a patent on the software that makes Rollover possible. So their would be lawsuits for patent infringement.

Wouldn't that apply only VZW used the same software that Cingular uses?

Its hard to patent concepts if there are various differences in implementation.

I assume it would, but all the different PTT solutions work differently, but Nextel fought them off for a long time.

But wasn't because they tried to copy the IDen technology they use as well as the Trademark Push To Talk.