VErizon Will be number 2 in 3 years (july 1, 2004)
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Seems my prediction came true in LESS than 1 year!
Seems my prediction came true in LESS than 1 year!
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If you are refering to # of customers then yes, but why is it that they only way cingular could surpass verizon in customer base is to buy out another company? According to any major magazine you read (JD Power, Money, Cons Repts... etc. etc.) Verizon is the top (or at least always above Cingular) in network coverage, call quality, customer satisfaction, etc. etc. Being the biggest doesnt mean your the best, it just means your the biggest.
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And HOW did Verizon get so big? Why MERGERS and ACQUISITIONS!!! Kinda the pot calling the kettle black, ain't it?
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phoneguy3376 said:
And HOW did Verizon get so big? Why MERGERS and ACQUISITIONS!!! Kinda the pot calling the kettle black, ain't it?
Damn good point but ohh fast people forget.
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You know what, I have been using this site for years, and I finally realised, this **** is a big waste of time. Lets really admit it guys, we have no lives, we havent been layed in years, and we use this site to occupy
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lol.Speak for yourself i use it because i have money invested in this industry. It also is fun in between paperwork at the 9-5.
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muchdrama, my condolences as to your sex life...
Hey, just because the name changed doesn't mean the ol' phonepimp can't bust yer butt a lil
Hey, just because the name changed doesn't mean the ol' phonepimp can't bust yer butt a lil
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Hahaha This forum is a good time and watching people like Phoenixashes get pissed because they have less knowledge of the industry than us working outside of it.
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phoneguy3376 said:Omg. I'll never hear the end of this. Dammit! Read my sort of apology! Nice to see you buddy...I knew I recognized that 3376.
muchdrama, my condolences as to your sex life...
Hey, just because the name changed doesn't mean the ol' phonepimp can't bust yer butt a lil
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phoneguy3376 said:
muchdrama, my condolences as to your sex life...
Hey, just because the name changed doesn't mean the ol' phonepimp can't bust yer butt a lil
P.S. Would I EVER spell laid "layed"? I really don't think so.
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phoneguy3376 said:P.P.S. Why the name change, Pimp?
muchdrama, my condolences as to your sex life...
Hey, just because the name changed doesn't mean the ol' phonepimp can't bust yer butt a lil
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Variety is the spice of life... that and lost passwords, new comps, relocations... oldtimers disease, yanno, the usual excuses...lol
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phoneguy3376 said:Please tell me you're older than me.
Variety is the spice of life... that and lost passwords, new comps, relocations... oldtimers disease, yanno, the usual excuses...lol
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muchdrama said:Oh my. How embarrassing. You'll have to forgive this badly written and thought out post, as a "friend" of mine couldn't resist the temptation of posting something while I had my back turned for two minutes. Sigh. Children...this will teach you to NEVER turn your back on phonescoop while logged on.
You know what, I have been using this site for years, and I finally realised, this **** is a big waste of time. Lets really admit it guys, we have no lives, we havent been layed in years, and we use this site to occupy
P.S. It's amazing what a wrist guard (you know...that thing that keeps you from getting carpal tunnel syndrome) can do to the human body. When you're angry, try using one to beat yo...
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PooFlinger1 said:
If you are refering to # of customers then yes, but why is it that they only way cingular could surpass verizon in customer base is to buy out another company? According to any major magazine you read (JD Power, Money, Cons Repts... etc. etc.) Verizon is the top (or at least always above Cingular) in network coverage, call quality, customer satisfaction, etc. etc. Being the biggest doesnt mean your the best, it just means your the biggest.
Verizon does well in surveys and Cingular does well in tests.... I'll take the test over a survey any day.
For 2 years now, you guys have said Verizon was the best because of it's size, now Cingular is the biggest and you come up with other reasons ...
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PhoenixAshes said:...PooFlinger1 said:
If you are refering to # of customers then yes, but why is it that they only way cingular could surpass verizon in customer base is to buy out another company? According to any major magazine you read (JD Power, Money, Cons Repts... etc. etc.) Verizon is the top (or at least always above Cingular) in network coverage, call quality, customer satisfaction, etc. etc. Being the biggest doesnt mean your the best, it just means your the biggest.
Verizon does well in surveys and Cingular does well in tests.... I'll take the test over a survey any day.
For 2 years now, you guys have said Verizon was the best because of it's size, now Cingular is the bigg
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Where are you getting this Data from?? My brother is in Network engineering at VZW and has shown me numerous reports that show otherwies.
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seems to me that 2007 is still 2 years away. most in the industry seem to feel vzw will overtake cingular in the # of customers by then.
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In kingfrog's prediction he also mentioned about kids getting off their parent plans. Well, that may hold true, but as soon as the kid gets a real job and realizes that call quality and network size/quality matter more than how many games and ringtones fit on a phone, they will switch back.
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So THAT'S when they'll realize that Cingular rox, huh? Network size? Cingular has the largest all digital voice and data network in America, people!
VZW is finally realizing that their analog roaming has to go, and is phasing it out. Only a couple of choices for phones that even USE analog anymore. Digital for digital, VZW loses the fight.
Prove THAT wrong.
VZW is finally realizing that their analog roaming has to go, and is phasing it out. Only a couple of choices for phones that even USE analog anymore. Digital for digital, VZW loses the fight.
Prove THAT wrong.
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adilus said:
Didn't JD Edwards and Money and Consumer Reports?
No. They proved that a small number of polled wireless subscribers in a few cities said that they liked Verizon better. Actual drive tests show different results.
To prove something requires more than an unscientific survey.
And none of the magazines said that Verizon had more digital coverage than Cingular. They can't say that. It's not true.
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PhoenixAshes said:adilus said:
Didn't JD Edwards and Money and Consumer Reports?
No. They proved that a small number of polled wireless subscribers in a few cities said that they liked Verizon better. Actual drive tests show different results.
To prove something requires more than an unscientific survey.
And none of the magazines said that Verizon had more digital coverage than Cingular. They can't say that. It's not true.
AND Yet again of wht USED to BE....how about looking foreward instead of backward..Soon you'll bw saying ..three years ago Verizon had the best coverage, most customers , and well just read JD POWERS CONSUMER REPORTS ......
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Ahh I see...
But why then in surveys of actual users does Cingy do so bad so consistently, well not bad, but ummm sub-par is the better work. And its not like its one survey... I've seen it on a couple of articles. How does the old saying go... "you can piss on my head once and tell me its raining..."
Tests or surveys I go with actual usuage.
Tests can be manipulated.
But why then in surveys of actual users does Cingy do so bad so consistently, well not bad, but ummm sub-par is the better work. And its not like its one survey... I've seen it on a couple of articles. How does the old saying go... "you can piss on my head once and tell me its raining..."
Tests or surveys I go with actual usuage.
Tests can be manipulated.
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and surveys can be manipulated in so many ways its silly. Think about this: you have had 2 years of awesome service with Carrier X. Just that day, the lover of your fantasies calls you to pledge undying lust, making you the happiest person alive! You are surveyed, and carrier X rocks. Now lets say the call drops. First call you have EVER dropped, but what's your opinion of carrier X NOW?
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People laugh at my "imformal survey" in casual discussions with truck drivers at truck stops where Cingular gets high marks....oh and this is in the coursd of other discussion. Its not like i run up to them with a clipboard and ask about their phones LOL. Although this would be a great way and source for actual unbiased opinion on area coverage and service in general.
Then you claim actual usage is more important. Seems you need an unbrella.
YOur implication is tests can be manipulated (if they are Cingular favorable) is incredible. Nothing canbe manipulated more than random surveys,
Then you claim actual usage is more important. Seems you need an unbrella.
YOur implication is tests can be manipulated (if they are Cingular favorable) is incredible. Nothing canbe manipulated more than random surveys,
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adilus said:
Ahh I see...
But why then in surveys of actual users does Cingy do so bad so consistently, well not bad, but ummm sub-par is the better work. And its not like its one survey... I've seen it on a couple of articles. How does the old saying go... "you can piss on my head once and tell me its raining..."
Tests or surveys I go with actual usuage.
Tests can be manipulated.
Cingular doesn't really do bad, they just don't score as high as Verizon in the surveys.
You have to understand that these surveys can be very misleading. Take the Consumer reports survey- Consumer reports magazine is also a publication of the consumer's union. The consumer's union was offically against the cingula...
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Don't forget good old human error.
I'd say that surveys are more easily manipulated however.
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muchdrama said:Don't forget good old human error.
I'd say that surveys are more easily manipulated however.
Yeah, how many of those customers chose the wrong carrier because they couldn't remember? 🤣
I get at least one or two people a month waltz right up to me and ask me why their sprint phone isn't working. 😳
Here's your sign. 🤣
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PhoenixAshes said:That's hilarious...I get the same thing at the Circuit City I'm operations manager at. "What do you mean your CSA won't return my CompUSA merchandise?". "Uh, I won't return it 'cause this isn't CompUSA". "Oh.".muchdrama said:Don't forget good old human error.
I'd say that surveys are more easily manipulated however.
Yeah, how many of those customers chose the wrong carrier because they couldn't remember? 🤣
I get at least one or two people a month waltz right up to me and ask me why their sprint phone isn't working. 😳
Here's your sign. 🤣
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PhoenixAshes said:Okay, I'm going to sound like a friggin' broken record player...but why does a magazine like Mobile PC publish each carrier's coverage map showing Verizon to have a larger digital coverage area?adilus said:
Didn't JD Edwards and Money and Consumer Reports?
No. They proved that a small number of polled wireless subscribers in a few cities said that they liked Verizon better. Actual drive tests show different results.
To prove something requires more than an unscientific survey.
And none of the magazines said that Verizon had more digital coverage than Cingular. They can't say that. It's not true.
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muchdrama said:PhoenixAshes said:Okay, I'm going to sound like a friggin' broken record player...but why does a magazine like Mobile PC publish each carrier's coverage map showing Verizon to have a larger digital coverage area?(continues)adilus said:
Didn't JD Edwards and Money and Consumer Reports?
No. They proved that a small number of polled wireless subscribers in a few cities said that they liked Verizon better. Actual drive tests show different results.
To prove something requires more than an unscientific survey.
And none of the magazines said that Verizon had more digital coverage than Cingular. They can't say that. It's not true.
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Actually Verizon has the largest digital footprint out of ANY carrier, the only way that cingular can say that is because they dont have any analog areas, which when they switched to GSM also lost alot of digital areas as well.
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BTW: The reason that they are doing it gradually is because its cheaper, and less problems arise than if you try to do it overnight (like some little orange kid tried to do and are still having problems with in areas). Also with the rollout of EV-DO, data speeds are much higher than anything cingular has, even with WCDMA.
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UMTS/HSDPA, which is CINGULAR'S data path to 3G, blows EV-DO away. By the time EV-DO is fully deployed, HSDPA will be rolling outas well. 2 Mb/s speeds in testing on the BASIC test bed.
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VZWagent said:
ANd then EVDV rolls out cheif.
ev-dv ain't happenin', chIef
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I think you should include an *** when it comes to data speeds. It doesn't matter what provider we chat about these speeds and proliferation is prolly only going to be the top markets.
These speeds, when they do come out are gonna be fab and because of competition, its not gonna matter who the prov is.
These speeds, when they do come out are gonna be fab and because of competition, its not gonna matter who the prov is.
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notice my use of "max"...perhaps "theoretical" would be a better word... HSDPA is capable of theoretical speeds of up to 14.4 Mb/s
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adilus said:
14.4 mbps would rock... go completely wireless at that point.
Did you know that Lucent's version is promising up to 20mbps? That's who Cingular is using. I can't wait.
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phoneguy3376 said:
Now THAT'S fast. Warp factor OMG, Mr. Sulu!
KAAAAAAHHHHHNNNNNNN!!!!!!
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PhoenixAshes said:Sniff. Possibly one of the greatest movie lines of our time.phoneguy3376 said:
Now THAT'S fast. Warp factor OMG, Mr. Sulu!
KAAAAAAHHHHHNNNNNNN!!!!!!
🤣
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muchdrama said:PhoenixAshes said:Sniff. Possibly one of the greatest movie lines of our time.phoneguy3376 said:
Now THAT'S fast. Warp factor OMG, Mr. Sulu!
KAAAAAAHHHHHNNNNNNN!!!!!!
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And only Shatner could have pulled it off.
I like Picard but Kirk would have given him the patented Kirk-Kick and whooped him.
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I just wanna chip in on this conversation. I was a longtime Verizon customer, originating from a merged and acquired company I'd been with since the 80's. The ultimate reason I left was Verizon's horrid phone selection.
Coverage is equal where I live, work, and travel. The biggest plus since I moved to Cingular has been the 7pm nights option. The 9.99 add-on's and the rollover don't hurt either.
I never would have left Verizon if they had a phone I liked. I tried two new-in-box phones which were both defective. At that point I tried the competition and haven't been disappointed. Funny thing is, when I got my two new Cingular phones, one was also defective, but the one that did work did so well that I decided to keep the service. Of co...
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Coverage is equal where I live, work, and travel. The biggest plus since I moved to Cingular has been the 7pm nights option. The 9.99 add-on's and the rollover don't hurt either.
I never would have left Verizon if they had a phone I liked. I tried two new-in-box phones which were both defective. At that point I tried the competition and haven't been disappointed. Funny thing is, when I got my two new Cingular phones, one was also defective, but the one that did work did so well that I decided to keep the service. Of co...
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I understand what you mean, I also dislike VZW's phone selection, but you have to remember, Verizon provides service, not phones. It's like buying gas(service) and expecting the gas station(Verizon) to pay and fix your car (phone).
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Well, my prediction is that Verizon will be back on top in a year or less. And yes, they'll do it the same way Cingular overcame them: mergers and acquisitions. They're likely going to be buying ALLTEL who is likely going to buying US Cellular.
Speedywalk
"It ain't broke, it just needs duct tape!"
Speedywalk
"It ain't broke, it just needs duct tape!"
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THATS HOW THEY WERE ON TOP IN THE FIRST PLACE 👿 WHEN ARE U GOING TO GET IT IN YOUR THICK HOLLOW HEADS
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Viva Verizon!!! Who will Cingular buy when Verizon buys Alltel??? There is only T-Mobile and the Germans won't sell to Cingular even for 40 billion!
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