VZW won't be #1 as predicted
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People thought VZW would be on top by the end of 2005. Guess NOT! I'd like to see all the executive scratching their heads and running aroung thinking about ways to make customers look their way again.
People thought VZW would be on top by the end of 2005. Guess NOT! I'd like to see all the executive scratching their heads and running aroung thinking about ways to make customers look their way again.
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while I'm not defending Verizon, doesn't it seem a bit early to be bragging? Note you said end of 2005. It isn't even a quarter of the way done yet.
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That and Verizon has a great ads running right now. (Although, I might just think that because I'm really into drumlines... đ )
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verizon wont see number 1 spot this year. cingular already has 50 million subscribers while verizon has 43.8 Million. i belive that cingular gets around 2 million or so per quarter and verizon gets 1.5 million per quarter so cingular will remain on top.
we shall see though.
we shall see though.
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Once people wake up from this Cingular brainwashing they will once again realize that Cingular's reception sucks and will come running back to Verizon. I know I have been there. I better buy some Verizon stock!!!
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yea, their reception does suck. their advertisments are mis-leading, but they continue to get very good quart numbers with sub growth. i guess we shall see.
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Their reception does not suck in my area. It is slightly better than Verizon. And the only reason I say that is because in places that I get little to no verizon signal, I still have Cingular signal on my business phone (Cingular). But in areas of strong signal, both are equal.
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nationwide the reception is terrible.... in some areas it will vary, obviously..
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You are the first person I have heard say that. I work with many people that travel all over the country with thier Cingular phones. They all say that it is wonderful....but they also say that if you need a phone for both rural and urban areas, then VZW is the best. But in large cities where most of the population is, I am told that Cingular is pretty equal with VZW. And as I said, my experiences confirm that.
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yea, but verizon is very good with large cities becuase they buy a lot of spectrum. as you know cingular/att wireless doesnt. i look at churn, and arpu mostly. if thats number 1 and number 2.. ie the best.. that means people actually like it.. verizon's churn says it all. cingular got most of its subs by combining att wireless.
i have tried cingular/att wireless and it was terrible in my area.
i have tried cingular/att wireless and it was terrible in my area.
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I don't know what area you are speaking of....but every area I have been in, my Cingular phone has been equal to my VZW phone (unless I get into really rural areas, then VZW is definately better).
And everyone is looking at these stats of Cingular/AT&T and stating how their numbers are horrible when compared to VZW. While I agree with that statement, I also feel that we are not giving them enough time to function as 1 company to see what they can do about these large discrepancies (when compared to VZW stats).
Personally, I like both companies. I don't like some of the things VZW has done as far as equipment decisions (crippling bluetooth), but as far as overall service, I really like both. I just feel that Cingular needs some t...
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And everyone is looking at these stats of Cingular/AT&T and stating how their numbers are horrible when compared to VZW. While I agree with that statement, I also feel that we are not giving them enough time to function as 1 company to see what they can do about these large discrepancies (when compared to VZW stats).
Personally, I like both companies. I don't like some of the things VZW has done as far as equipment decisions (crippling bluetooth), but as far as overall service, I really like both. I just feel that Cingular needs some t...
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well said..
hey nextel/sprint better be watched.. lol....
if cingular/att wants to stay number 1 they need to treat their customers and have the best biling practices in the world..
verizon needs to stop lying lol.. esp about their functionality and sorta with their DO service that isnt worth it. they will also pay for their high prices with DO, PTT and vcast..
hey nextel/sprint better be watched.. lol....
if cingular/att wants to stay number 1 they need to treat their customers and have the best biling practices in the world..
verizon needs to stop lying lol.. esp about their functionality and sorta with their DO service that isnt worth it. they will also pay for their high prices with DO, PTT and vcast..
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I must respectfully disagree with you regarding the EVDO service. I have it on my VZW phone, and it is wonderful. The Video is really good, and don't forget the benefit of not having mobile web and get it now use your airtime minutes. All of that is unlimited for $15.00/month. That really is a good deal, if you ask me.
I have not been with Cingular long enough to speak to thier billing practices, but I must say that my interactions with thier customer service has been very pleasurable each time I had to deal with them.
If you don't mind me asking, what market are you in that Cingular does not give you good service? And what phone did you try (because I have been told that there are major signal strength discrepancies based on th...
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I have not been with Cingular long enough to speak to thier billing practices, but I must say that my interactions with thier customer service has been very pleasurable each time I had to deal with them.
If you don't mind me asking, what market are you in that Cingular does not give you good service? And what phone did you try (because I have been told that there are major signal strength discrepancies based on th...
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"I must respectfully disagree with you regarding the EVDO service. I have it on my VZW phone, and it is wonderful. The Video is really good, and don't forget the benefit of not having mobile web and get it now use your airtime minutes. All of that is unlimited for $15.00/month. That really is a good deal, if you ask me."
well, 80 bucks for service from 400-600kb/s? not worth it. well, if the carriers waste your mins if your online- thats stupid... there is not enough content for 15 bucks per month as well as the data speeds with REV O, 400-600kb/s and with a higher latency wont help it that much.... DO REV A would be more suitable for vcast, however, and if more content is on the system, then it will be worth the 15 bucks per month.. til...
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well, 80 bucks for service from 400-600kb/s? not worth it. well, if the carriers waste your mins if your online- thats stupid... there is not enough content for 15 bucks per month as well as the data speeds with REV O, 400-600kb/s and with a higher latency wont help it that much.... DO REV A would be more suitable for vcast, however, and if more content is on the system, then it will be worth the 15 bucks per month.. til...
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I don't know where you get the 80 bucks pricing you are speaking of....V-Cast (which includes the streaming video, unlimited mobile web, and get it now) is 15 per month for unlimited access to all 3 features. And while there may not be that much content, I check my email from it, so it does occupy a good amount of time every month.
And I am very surprised that in your network that GSM did not work well for you. I have several colleagues that live and have their offices in Connecticut and Massachusetts, and they swear that they will not go with VZW because the GSM service in their area is so much better than CDMA. I do not have any first hand experience in that area, so I cannot confirm nor deny their reports.
And I am very surprised that in your network that GSM did not work well for you. I have several colleagues that live and have their offices in Connecticut and Massachusetts, and they swear that they will not go with VZW because the GSM service in their area is so much better than CDMA. I do not have any first hand experience in that area, so I cannot confirm nor deny their reports.
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nextel works extremely well in my area.... havnt had a drop call in around 5 years đ and i have them for around 6...
i was suprised tooo..
"I don't know where you get the 80 bucks pricing you are speaking of"
i am talking about ev-do!! i know about VCAST
i was suprised tooo..
"I don't know where you get the 80 bucks pricing you are speaking of"
i am talking about ev-do!! i know about VCAST
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Oh, you are speaking about the wireless Broadband Access???? Well, that is not worth it because it is not that widely available yet. Once they get it across their entire network, it will be amazing. But by then, WI-FI will have taken over.
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yea, i dont think their DO rev o system will be amazing... the speeds are too low, latency is too high and price is too high.. i thought you have to have vcast over the DO network? thats what i have been seeing for the advertisments... am i missing something?
wifi is a joke.... wimax/flarion/DO REV A is a lot better.
wifi is a joke.... wimax/flarion/DO REV A is a lot better.
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V-Cast is over the EVDO network. But you do not have to pay the 80 dollars a month in addition to the 15 to get v-cast. It is simply 15 dollars a month for V-Cast and that gives you unlimited access to the EVDO network. And yes, I have used my phone as a modem at EVDO speeds and I have far exceeded your quoted 600 kbps. I have gotten over 800....and almost hit 1 mbps a couple times.
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"But you do not have to pay the 80 dollars a month in addition to the 15 to get v-cast. It is simply 15 dollars a month for V-Cast and that gives you unlimited access to the EVDO network"
can you provide me a link that says that please?
"quoted 600 kbps. I have gotten over 800....and almost hit 1 mbps a couple times. "
still not worth 80 bucks per month...
can you provide me a link that says that please?
"quoted 600 kbps. I have gotten over 800....and almost hit 1 mbps a couple times. "
still not worth 80 bucks per month...
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I don't know about a link that says it....there should be something on the VZW website though. I just know because I have it and I know how I am getting billed.
I will look for somewhere on their website....and if I find it, I will post it. But like I said, I know it from personal experience of having V-Cast and not paying anything more than $15/month. And I have not even paid that yet because V-Cast is free for 2 months.
I will look for somewhere on their website....and if I find it, I will post it. But like I said, I know it from personal experience of having V-Cast and not paying anything more than $15/month. And I have not even paid that yet because V-Cast is free for 2 months.
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if you are paying 15 bucks per month.. i am very suprised especially if your accessing DO. thats why i dont belive it. why are they saying 80 bucks for DO then? kinda interesting i guess...
oh maybe i read it wrong... that 80 bucks is for a wireless card etc... thats probably why...
i got confused.. my fault âšī¸
web sites are so confusing..
oh maybe i read it wrong... that 80 bucks is for a wireless card etc... thats probably why...
i got confused.. my fault âšī¸
web sites are so confusing..
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Yeah, it is 80 bucks per month for using a wireless card in your laptop and using the broadband access (EVDO) network for internet access on your computer. It is not that price for your phone.
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yea.. i read that wrong...
$15/ month is still not worth it with the lack of content.. i tested it and i didnt think it was so hot becuase of the latency problems and lack of content obviously....
$15/ month is still not worth it with the lack of content.. i tested it and i didnt think it was so hot becuase of the latency problems and lack of content obviously....
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I have not had an issue with either....there is plenty of content to occupy a 30 minute bus ride from work to home, and I have had no latency issues either.
I think you just have it out for VZW because you are looking forward to the Sprint/Nextel merger a little too much.
I think you just have it out for VZW because you are looking forward to the Sprint/Nextel merger a little too much.
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no i am not out for verizon.... i have tested Vcast and i have experienced latency and not that great of speeds. plus i have others do it as well and they can confirm that...
with the nextel/sprint merger it will be stronger then verizon anyway so thats not such a big deal...
i love to look at competition, but with DO its not. Vcast is interesting, but more content is needed..
with the nextel/sprint merger it will be stronger then verizon anyway so thats not such a big deal...
i love to look at competition, but with DO its not. Vcast is interesting, but more content is needed..
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Give it time, it was just launched a month and a half ago.
And as far as Sprint/Nextel being stronger than Verizon, give me a break. They will have 39 million customers (which is great), but the merger will be extremely hard. You see all of the problems Cingular is having, and they used the same technology as AT&T. It will take Sprint/Nextel years to get to where they need to be in order to compete with VZW and Cingy. And by that point, the standard will be in the upper 60 million customer range, if not higher.
And as far as Sprint/Nextel being stronger than Verizon, give me a break. They will have 39 million customers (which is great), but the merger will be extremely hard. You see all of the problems Cingular is having, and they used the same technology as AT&T. It will take Sprint/Nextel years to get to where they need to be in order to compete with VZW and Cingy. And by that point, the standard will be in the upper 60 million customer range, if not higher.
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oh, i know vcast and DO has been launched a few months ago, however, its too expensive. (the DO part) the Vcast needs some work on it, however.
yea, nextel/sprint will be stronger than verizon. cingular/att wireless are terrible companies with terrible managers, however, nextel/sprint's magment is the best in the industry. well, nextel just got contigious spectrum so it will be very easy to bring over to CDMA. plus nextel will have qchat, REV A, and maybe wimax/flarion and cingular, and verizon wont have wimax or flarion which is faster then hsdpa and REV O.
yea, nextel/sprint will be stronger than verizon. cingular/att wireless are terrible companies with terrible managers, however, nextel/sprint's magment is the best in the industry. well, nextel just got contigious spectrum so it will be very easy to bring over to CDMA. plus nextel will have qchat, REV A, and maybe wimax/flarion and cingular, and verizon wont have wimax or flarion which is faster then hsdpa and REV O.
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We will see. I am not going to get into a pissing contest with someone who is only looking at the technologies and not taking into consideration the business consequences of such a merger. Yes, they will have all of those wonderful technologies at thier disposal, but they will not have the means to deliver them right after the merger. It will take years. Just as it is going to for Cingular/AT&T.
You might want to learn the business side of things, and not just the technology side, before you start talking out your ass about something that you know nothing about.
You might want to learn the business side of things, and not just the technology side, before you start talking out your ass about something that you know nothing about.
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"You might want to learn the business side of things, and not just the technology side, before you start talking out your ass about something that you know nothing about"
actually i do know what i am talking about with business. sorry.
"Yes, they will have all of those wonderful technologies at thier disposal, but they will not have the means to deliver them right after the merger. It will take years"
it depends how their testing is going. it usually takes 1 to 2 years to build out a wimax or a flarion network. so we will see.
actually i do know what i am talking about with business. sorry.
"Yes, they will have all of those wonderful technologies at thier disposal, but they will not have the means to deliver them right after the merger. It will take years"
it depends how their testing is going. it usually takes 1 to 2 years to build out a wimax or a flarion network. so we will see.
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Yes, it takes at least that long to build a nationwide network of any type. And they can't even begin to work on that until the federal government approves the merger (which is months, maybe even a year away). Then their first priority will be converting the iden network to CDMA (a major investment), and then migrate all customers. Now, once they have accomplished all of that (which will take at least 1 full year), they must invest more money in building the new network you are speaking of.
This has now taken up about 4 years worth of time and hundreds of millions of dollars. And you say they will be better than VZW and Cingular immediately after the merger??? Please.
This has now taken up about 4 years worth of time and hundreds of millions of dollars. And you say they will be better than VZW and Cingular immediately after the merger??? Please.
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"And they can't even begin to work on that until the federal government approves the merger (which is months, maybe even a year away)."
actually it will be 2nd half of 2005 is when its expected to close. as soon as the fcc OKS the transformation of ownership they can start doing co-locations and things like that.
"Then their first priority will be converting the iden network to CDMA (a major investment), and then migrate all customers. "
yea. 2007-2008 they will start to. its not a major investment becuase they have a lot of spectrum plus the towers would be "easy" to switch over since its on contig spectrum. again, half of nextel's towers will be on cdma network by 2007-2008.
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actually it will be 2nd half of 2005 is when its expected to close. as soon as the fcc OKS the transformation of ownership they can start doing co-locations and things like that.
"Then their first priority will be converting the iden network to CDMA (a major investment), and then migrate all customers. "
yea. 2007-2008 they will start to. its not a major investment becuase they have a lot of spectrum plus the towers would be "easy" to switch over since its on contig spectrum. again, half of nextel's towers will be on cdma network by 2007-2008.
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Do you realize that $12 billion in synergies won't come all at once, and won't come for quite a few years AFTER the merge has been completed and successful? Cingular is expected to have $7 billion in synergies, but money like that isn't expected until 2007. That's 2.5 years after the initial merge.
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I'm not sure about this one but I'm almost completely positive that Cingular has the highest data ARPU. I know for a fact that they are the largest provider of data services though.
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I'm not sure about this one but I'm almost completely positive that Cingular has the highest data ARPU. I know for a fact that they are the largest provider of data services though.
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Nextel18 really has no idea what he is talking about. He has a great knowledge of the technologies....but he has absolutely no clue when it comes to the business side of mergers like this.
By the time all of the things happen that he is talking aobut, Verizon and Cingular will have pushed so far ahead of Sprint/Nextel that they will never be able to catch up.
By the time all of the things happen that he is talking aobut, Verizon and Cingular will have pushed so far ahead of Sprint/Nextel that they will never be able to catch up.
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"Do you realize that $12 billion in synergies won't come all at once, and won't come for quite a few years AFTER the merge has been completed and successful? "
yes, i do relize it. i am talking about over the lifetime of from now to completion of the merger.
"I'm not sure about this one but I'm almost completely positive that Cingular has the highest data ARPU. I know for a fact that they are the largest provider of data services though."
no you are wrong. but its ok to be wrong, becuase i have been wrong a few times in the past as well. nextel and sprint have the highest data arpu. sprint has a higher data arpu then cingular. they could be the largest provider, but not number 1 in data arpu. cingular's arpu is lower then sprint an...
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yes, i do relize it. i am talking about over the lifetime of from now to completion of the merger.
"I'm not sure about this one but I'm almost completely positive that Cingular has the highest data ARPU. I know for a fact that they are the largest provider of data services though."
no you are wrong. but its ok to be wrong, becuase i have been wrong a few times in the past as well. nextel and sprint have the highest data arpu. sprint has a higher data arpu then cingular. they could be the largest provider, but not number 1 in data arpu. cingular's arpu is lower then sprint an...
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actually it will be 2nd half of 2005 is when its expected to close. as soon as the fcc OKS the transformation of ownership they can start doing co-locations and things like that.
yea. 2007-2008 they will start to. its not a major investment becuase they have a lot of spectrum plus the towers would be "easy" to switch over since its on contig spectrum. again, half of nextel's towers will be on cdma network by 2007-2008.
yea, i bet it would take maybe 1 year or so. they already spent money on their DO system for both revisions. for wimax, flarion if they want to go with those systems it would be worth the capex becuase it has higher speeds, less latency, and more products like video conferencing can
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"How you rate their upper executive management is a matter of opinion. If you ask me, if their executive management was that good, they would have been on par with VZW for a long time already (at least one of the 2 companies, nextel or sprint, would have been). "
becuase they have done very well through adversity with banks and analysts saying that they will be either chapter 11 or dead in the water. they wouldnt have been on par with verizon becuase verizon has a bigger network then sprint and nextel seperately. verizon lacks, however, with arpu. sprint is very good with MVNO's and through its affiliates, verizon isnt. verizon doesnt have very good phones either, all though their coverage is very good. their debt will probably be a somew...
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becuase they have done very well through adversity with banks and analysts saying that they will be either chapter 11 or dead in the water. they wouldnt have been on par with verizon becuase verizon has a bigger network then sprint and nextel seperately. verizon lacks, however, with arpu. sprint is very good with MVNO's and through its affiliates, verizon isnt. verizon doesnt have very good phones either, all though their coverage is very good. their debt will probably be a somew...
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What percentage of all wireless customers even care about having PTT when they have M2M? Who knows whether or not qchat will be a success, considering GSM and UMTS have yet to roll out their PTT networks, which are very close to being released? How do you know that after the merge, they will continue to have as high of an ARPU?
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"What percentage of all wireless customers even care about having PTT when they have M2M?"
well, if businesses want push to talk as well as the gov, and other organizations like that. if push to talk has more functionality and better coverage they will go to PTT over M2m.
"Who knows whether or not qchat will be a success, considering GSM and UMTS have yet to roll out their PTT networks, which are very close to being released? "
becuase qchat has already been tested to be 1.5 seconds which is very good and that was demoed over the REV A system at the CTIA. push to talk over a gsm, umts/hsdpa will probably be slower than that and obviously slower then nextels. from what i am hearing its due to latency within the network. just like w...
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well, if businesses want push to talk as well as the gov, and other organizations like that. if push to talk has more functionality and better coverage they will go to PTT over M2m.
"Who knows whether or not qchat will be a success, considering GSM and UMTS have yet to roll out their PTT networks, which are very close to being released? "
becuase qchat has already been tested to be 1.5 seconds which is very good and that was demoed over the REV A system at the CTIA. push to talk over a gsm, umts/hsdpa will probably be slower than that and obviously slower then nextels. from what i am hearing its due to latency within the network. just like w...
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"well, if businesses want push to talk as well as the gov, and other organizations like that. if push to talk has more functionality and better coverage they will go to PTT over M2m."
That's funny, because AT&T Wireless (happy?) serviced the largest business and government subscriber base, without the need for PTT. And of course, Cingular now holds that title.
That's funny, because AT&T Wireless (happy?) serviced the largest business and government subscriber base, without the need for PTT. And of course, Cingular now holds that title.
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"That's funny, because AT&T Wireless (happy?) serviced the largest business and government subscriber base, without the need for PTT. And of course, Cingular now holds that title."
according to what? where did you get that information? linke please.
according to what? where did you get that information? linke please.
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Well it was actually AT&T Wireless' information, which no longer exists. But this should hold you over:
"In addition, Cingular serves 95 of the Fortune 100 companies and counts more than 80 percent of the Fortune 500 and more than 1,200 federal, state, and local government agencies as customers."
http://www.cingular.com/about/company_overview »
"In addition, Cingular serves 95 of the Fortune 100 companies and counts more than 80 percent of the Fortune 500 and more than 1,200 federal, state, and local government agencies as customers."
http://www.cingular.com/about/company_overview »
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yea, i would belive thats true.
this is what nextel says.. Today 95 percent of FORTUNE 500 companies are Nextel customers. Nextel and Nextel Partners Inc. currently serve 297 of the top 300 U.S. markets where approximately 259 million people live or work. In fact, more than 90 percent of Nextel customers are business users. (http://www.nextel.com/about/corporateinfo/pr ofile.shtml)
this was from 2004 becuase i am not allowed to tell you things that arent posted online.. (http://spassmeister.com/nextel_nytimes.htm)
"The walkie-talkie service is probably the main reason corporate and government workers make up two-thirds of Nextel's subscribers. Such users account for about a third of other cellular providers' customers, according to...
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this is what nextel says.. Today 95 percent of FORTUNE 500 companies are Nextel customers. Nextel and Nextel Partners Inc. currently serve 297 of the top 300 U.S. markets where approximately 259 million people live or work. In fact, more than 90 percent of Nextel customers are business users. (http://www.nextel.com/about/corporateinfo/pr ofile.shtml)
this was from 2004 becuase i am not allowed to tell you things that arent posted online.. (http://spassmeister.com/nextel_nytimes.htm)
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Hmmm...I'm confused. Cingular, as of 2005 states that they service 80% of the Fortune 500, and Nextel as of 2004 states that they service 95% of the Fortune 500.
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Something isn't figuring out here...
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actually its as of 2005.
maybe cingular is their main system, and nextel is their back up system. something like that, or vice versa.
maybe cingular is their main system, and nextel is their back up system. something like that, or vice versa.
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Oh, ok.
Yeah, it could possibly be that they use both companies. That's an odd situation to account for. Oh well, glad I don't have to figure that stuff out.
Yeah, it could possibly be that they use both companies. That's an odd situation to account for. Oh well, glad I don't have to figure that stuff out.
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well, thats the only thing that i am thinking of. i know many people in the government has nextel, but they also have sprint. recently, i belive the GSA gave nextel a contract, but i think they gave a contract to cingular as well.
obviously you know why nextel is used, becuase primarily of their push to talk and push to view with prority service and off network push to talk as well as their business/data applications. cingular is used becuase of their great network.
obviously you know why nextel is used, becuase primarily of their push to talk and push to view with prority service and off network push to talk as well as their business/data applications. cingular is used becuase of their great network.
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You're banking your predictions on everything to go perfect, exactly as expected. I guarantee you that this won't happen, and THAT will throw your predictions way of course.
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he was also banking his prediction for everything going perfect as well, which wont happen.....
"I guarantee you that this won't happen"
how can you guarantee that?
"I guarantee you that this won't happen"
how can you guarantee that?
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i can call you captain idiot if you want me to.
anyway i will ask it again; how can you guarantee it? prove it please.. give analysis too.
anyway i will ask it again; how can you guarantee it? prove it please.. give analysis too.
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Well rigt not all I can give you is my word...if that's good enough.
But seriously, I should be calling you Captain Idiot if you really believe that every single aspect of the merge will go exactly as planned.
But seriously, I should be calling you Captain Idiot if you really believe that every single aspect of the merge will go exactly as planned.
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your word isnt good enough. i want to understand your basis of how they wont get that number per quarter every single quarter. if they did it last year, what is stopping them from doing it this year? especially if they are coming out with new products, better coverage area, better services and other things?
"But seriously, I should be calling you Captain Idiot if you really believe that every single aspect of the merge will go exactly as planned."
i didnt say everything will be exactly a smoothly process, i have been saying that things will take time, and a lot of difficulty but it will get done and become a very dangerous provider. especially with a very good balance sheet since the debt will be spun off with the local division. exc...
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"But seriously, I should be calling you Captain Idiot if you really believe that every single aspect of the merge will go exactly as planned."
i didnt say everything will be exactly a smoothly process, i have been saying that things will take time, and a lot of difficulty but it will get done and become a very dangerous provider. especially with a very good balance sheet since the debt will be spun off with the local division. exc...
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What I was "guaranteeing" was that the merge wouldn't happen flawlessly. That's why I said its obvious why I can guarantee that. Nothing like a merge ever happens flawlessly. I don't know where you getting that I was guaranteeing something about numbers. Numbers are unpredictable.
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yea of course numbers are unpredictable that is why i compared it from last years 2004 numbers instead of this years, becuase obviously we dont know and same with the providers. thats why its not fair when that other person said that verizon, and cingular will get X amount and sprint/nextel wont etc...
thats all i was saying..
thats all i was saying..
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I give up. You truly have no idea what the average wireless subscriber really cares about. All of the things you are citing are very well and good, but the average user could care less. They only want to make and receive calls. Text messaging is a close second.
And as far as APRU, Cingular holds the top spot, and VZW could be a close second if that was their goal. But they are more focused on providing a reliable network for their customers to MAKE AND RECEIVE CALLS!!!! The rest of these features mean nothing to the average user. They only have impact on the high end user like you and I.
And as far as net ads, I have never seen the numbers you are quoting anywhere. I have only seen sprint/nextel have 50% of the numbers you ar...
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And as far as APRU, Cingular holds the top spot, and VZW could be a close second if that was their goal. But they are more focused on providing a reliable network for their customers to MAKE AND RECEIVE CALLS!!!! The rest of these features mean nothing to the average user. They only have impact on the high end user like you and I.
And as far as net ads, I have never seen the numbers you are quoting anywhere. I have only seen sprint/nextel have 50% of the numbers you ar...
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"And as far as APRU, Cingular holds the top spot, and VZW could be a close second if that was their goal. "
what are you smoking? nextel's arpu is 68, sprint is 62, then it keeps going down. cingular does not hold the top spot. and if your speaking of data arpu you are wrong too. sprint and nextel are number 1 and number 2. i think you need to do some more research first before you speak..
its about coverage but more and more is about functionality and data. (look at all the news lately with ev-do, text messages, mms etc.. and surveys)
"And as far as net ads, I have never seen the numbers you are quoting anywhere. I have only seen sprint/nextel have 50% of the numbers you are stating."
again LOOK!
what are you smoking? nextel's arpu is 68, sprint is 62, then it keeps going down. cingular does not hold the top spot. and if your speaking of data arpu you are wrong too. sprint and nextel are number 1 and number 2. i think you need to do some more research first before you speak..
its about coverage but more and more is about functionality and data. (look at all the news lately with ev-do, text messages, mms etc.. and surveys)
"And as far as net ads, I have never seen the numbers you are quoting anywhere. I have only seen sprint/nextel have 50% of the numbers you are stating."
again LOOK!
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I highly disagree with you on the Nextel being #2 in data ARPU. Reason being, iDen technology doesn't support nearly as much as CDMA and GSM. Text messaging, MMS, internet, high-speed, etc. all work on CDMA and GSM tech. I think texting is the only one that works on iDen, correct me if I'm wrong. And with PTT being unlimited, that can't account for any of the data revenue.
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well, thats what i have been told. i could be wrong about number 2 in data arpu. we shall see though.. iden actually supports MMS and other things like that. especially with WIDEN giving speeds up to 100kb/s. remember those 95 percent businesses and 2/3 of nextel's subs being business and gov subscribers well they use data applications too. you are right, push to talk doesnt count as data. there is push to view now with the i860 and other applications that i have mentioned...
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some web sites i found...
http://www.3gnewsroom.com/3g_news/dec_04/news_5341.s ... »
2008, we expect consumer data ARPU as a contribution of total ARPU will grow more than threefold to 12% and the annual consumer data services market will reach nearly $14 billion. Messaging will decrease as a proportion of the total, with real growth coming from information and entertainment services.
As the value leader, T-Mobile is well positioned within this segment. Sprint has achieved the leadership position in wireless data ARPU.
http://www.tekrati.com/T2/Analyst_Research/ResearchA ... »
Sprint PCS leads the world's top ten wireless services, according to Analysys Research.
http://www.natpe.org/conferen »...
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http://www.3gnewsroom.com/3g_news/dec_04/news_5341.s ... »
2008, we expect consumer data ARPU as a contribution of total ARPU will grow more than threefold to 12% and the annual consumer data services market will reach nearly $14 billion. Messaging will decrease as a proportion of the total, with real growth coming from information and entertainment services.
As the value leader, T-Mobile is well positioned within this segment. Sprint has achieved the leadership position in wireless data ARPU.
http://www.tekrati.com/T2/Analyst_Research/ResearchA ... »
Sprint PCS leads the world's top ten wireless services, according to Analysys Research.
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you are welcome. some of the thigns, i cant share or say, becuase of my ties.. such as things from data arpu from places like nextel and others that arent mentioned especially if they are from yankee group. just some things i cant say âšī¸ i will try to continue to look for things online, if i cant then i guess you will have to take my word for it, unless they will broadcast it out.
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this is an interesting article....
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/index.php?p=845 »
For example, no other wireless provider would have the combination of a high-speed 3G WWAN and a ttle-tested PTT service. Between the two infrastructures, the opportunities for "Sprextel" to layer on new voice and data services in a way that drives ARPU up are limitless.
thats just a splidge of the article, but i liked that better..
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/index.php?p=845 »
For example, no other wireless provider would have the combination of a high-speed 3G WWAN and a ttle-tested PTT service. Between the two infrastructures, the opportunities for "Sprextel" to layer on new voice and data services in a way that drives ARPU up are limitless.
thats just a splidge of the article, but i liked that better..
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How about providing a link that backs up your claims, not just telling us to look. I have looked and all I am seeing is numbers that are approximately 50% of what you are claiming.
No officially recognized link = unfounded claim = bull S***.
And if that is truly Nextel's APRU statistic, they have to be including direct connect, which is BS too. iDen technology does not support any data other than text messaging, and that in no way would yeild a number like that.
No officially recognized link = unfounded claim = bull S***.
And if that is truly Nextel's APRU statistic, they have to be including direct connect, which is BS too. iDen technology does not support any data other than text messaging, and that in no way would yeild a number like that.
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"How about providing a link that backs up your claims, not just telling us to look. I have looked and all I am seeing is numbers that are approximately 50% of what you are claiming. "
look at the SEC filings. you have eyes.. you can look.
"No officially recognized link = unfounded claim = bull S***."
when you say things.. you dont give any links..
"iDen technology does not support any data other than text messaging, and that in no way would yeild a number like that."
WRONG!!! iden supports MMS also. push to view etc.. widen goes up to 100kb/s so that should help data even more.
since sprint is number 1 in arpu, when they join forces, they will continue to be number 1 becuase they would combine their arpu together (data...
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look at the SEC filings. you have eyes.. you can look.
"No officially recognized link = unfounded claim = bull S***."
when you say things.. you dont give any links..
"iDen technology does not support any data other than text messaging, and that in no way would yeild a number like that."
WRONG!!! iden supports MMS also. push to view etc.. widen goes up to 100kb/s so that should help data even more.
since sprint is number 1 in arpu, when they join forces, they will continue to be number 1 becuase they would combine their arpu together (data...
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http://www.3gnewsroom.com/3g_news/dec_04/news_5341.s ... »
2008, we expect consumer data ARPU as a contribution of total ARPU will grow more than threefold to 12% and the annual consumer data services market will reach nearly $14 billion. Messaging will decrease as a proportion of the total, with real growth coming from information and entertainment services.
"Text messaging is a close second."
looks like they dissagree with you.
2008, we expect consumer data ARPU as a contribution of total ARPU will grow more than threefold to 12% and the annual consumer data services market will reach nearly $14 billion. Messaging will decrease as a proportion of the total, with real growth coming from information and entertainment services.
"Text messaging is a close second."
looks like they dissagree with you.
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nextel18 said:Why is it too expensive? Because YOU consider it too expensive or because you've read posts complaining about the same thing? How do...
oh, i know vcast and DO has been launched a few months ago, however, its too expensive. (the DO part) the Vcast needs some work on it, however.
yea, nextel/sprint will be stronger than verizon. cingular/att wireless are terrible companies with terrible managers, however, nextel/sprint's magment is the best in the industry. well, nextel just got contigious spectrum so it will be very easy to bring over to CDMA. plus nextel will have qchat, REV A, and maybe wimax/flarion and cingular, and verizon wont have wimax or flarion which is faster then hsdpa and REV O.
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Thank You, muchdrama....I have been trying to get this through to his think head for 2 days now. He really has no clue how business works, nor does he know how difficult it is going to be to merge the 2 technologies.
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muchdrama is an idiot. he/she is very stupid and knows nothing about anything.
"He really has no clue how business works, nor does he know how difficult it is going to be to merge the 2 technologies."
i know perfectly about what business is and how it works, you on the other hand doesnt. you think that they just look at total sales!! hahahahahahha!! wrong!!!! i said it would be difficult with the 2 technologies, but it wont be as difficult of what your making it out to be.
800mhz contigious spectrum is easy to transform into cdma. iden towers are easy to transform into cdma. etc...
sorry buddy.
"He really has no clue how business works, nor does he know how difficult it is going to be to merge the 2 technologies."
i know perfectly about what business is and how it works, you on the other hand doesnt. you think that they just look at total sales!! hahahahahahha!! wrong!!!! i said it would be difficult with the 2 technologies, but it wont be as difficult of what your making it out to be.
800mhz contigious spectrum is easy to transform into cdma. iden towers are easy to transform into cdma. etc...
sorry buddy.
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muchdrama is a very credible person on this site. You have proven that you are not.
Total Sales = Cash Flow = Amount Available for future investment = Company Stability.
Why don't you check into how the Fortune 500 Companies are ranked....It is by Total sales in dollars in an annual period.
Total Sales = Cash Flow = Amount Available for future investment = Company Stability.
Why don't you check into how the Fortune 500 Companies are ranked....It is by Total sales in dollars in an annual period.
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"muchdrama is a very credible person on this site. You have proven that you are not. "
no he/she isnt. all he/she does is attack people- sorta like you.
"Total Sales = Cash Flow = Amount Available for future investment = Company Stability."
total sales= cash flow? lol you need to do total revenue- total expenses= cash flow.
"Why don't you check into how the Fortune 500 Companies are ranked....It is by Total sales in dollars in an annual period. "
with some other businesses it can be all about sales, but its not. if you have sales but you have more expenses then you wont be doing well.
no he/she isnt. all he/she does is attack people- sorta like you.
"Total Sales = Cash Flow = Amount Available for future investment = Company Stability."
total sales= cash flow? lol you need to do total revenue- total expenses= cash flow.
"Why don't you check into how the Fortune 500 Companies are ranked....It is by Total sales in dollars in an annual period. "
with some other businesses it can be all about sales, but its not. if you have sales but you have more expenses then you wont be doing well.
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No, total sales = cash available for investments.
Those investments may be overhead, labor, investments to upgrade certain aspects of the company. All of these things are cash flow.
Total Revenue (otherwise known as total sales) - Total expenses = Total Profit. Not Cash flow.
Cash flow is determined by total number of dollars flowing into the business.
And if you have more expenses than sales, your stock value would reflect that. But that business is still measured on their total sales.
Those investments may be overhead, labor, investments to upgrade certain aspects of the company. All of these things are cash flow.
Total Revenue (otherwise known as total sales) - Total expenses = Total Profit. Not Cash flow.
Cash flow is determined by total number of dollars flowing into the business.
And if you have more expenses than sales, your stock value would reflect that. But that business is still measured on their total sales.
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nextel18 said:
"muchdrama is a very credible person on this site. You have proven that you are not. "
no he/she isnt. all he/she does is attack people- sorta like you.
"Total Sales = Cash Flow = Amount Available for future investment = Company Stability."
total sales= cash flow? lol you need to do total revenue- total expenses= cash flow.
"Why don't you check into how the Fortune 500 Companies are ranked....It is by Total sales in dollars in an annual period. "
with some other businesses it can be all about sales, but its not. if you have sales but you have more expenses then you wont be doing well.
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http://www.americancashflow.com/mycapitalworks/CashF ... »
What Is Cash Flow?
Cash flow simply means the money that comes into and leaves a business or household. Money flows into a business in the form of revenues and out through the form of expenses.
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yawwwn!! mr business man, your boring me with your stupidity.
What Is Cash Flow?
Cash flow simply means the money that comes into and leaves a business or household. Money flows into a business in the form of revenues and out through the form of expenses.
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yawwwn!! mr business man, your boring me with your stupidity.
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I'm boring you with my stupidity???? In your own stupidity, you just made my point for me. Your little equation does not equal cash flow. Your little equation yeilds the total profit of a given business.
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I'm boring you with my stupidity???? In your own stupidity, you just made my point for me. Your little equation does not equal cash flow. Your little equation yeilds the total profit of a given business.
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not according to what it said...
I'm boring you with my stupidity???? In your own stupidity, you just made my point for me. Your little equation does not equal cash flow. Your little equation yeilds the total profit of a given business.
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not according to what it said...
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Cash flow is simply the flow of cash in and out of the business. You stated that yourself.
Cash flow is simply a financial statement that ultimately states total profit. It shows all cash flowing in and out of the business. As I stated, you made my point for me.
Cash flow is simply a financial statement that ultimately states total profit. It shows all cash flowing in and out of the business. As I stated, you made my point for me.
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"Cash flow is simply the flow of cash in and out of the business. You stated that yourself.
Cash flow is simply a financial statement that ultimately states total profit. It shows all cash flowing in and out of the business. As I stated, you made my point for me."
no, you stated that cash flow= sales. its not exactly just sales. it includes expenses also. you didnt include those details, while i did. i was doing the whole equation while you were doing part of it.
Cash flow is simply a financial statement that ultimately states total profit. It shows all cash flowing in and out of the business. As I stated, you made my point for me."
no, you stated that cash flow= sales. its not exactly just sales. it includes expenses also. you didnt include those details, while i did. i was doing the whole equation while you were doing part of it.
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Your equation is invalid. That fact does not change. Cash flow starts with sales. That was my error in word usage.
And please, learn how to quote previous messages in your post if you are going to use my quotes in your message. There is a link that allows you to do that. It is right above the smileys. The way you are posting makes it look like it is all your statements and you are attempting to refute yourself. Seems kinda bipolar to the outside reader.
And please, learn how to quote previous messages in your post if you are going to use my quotes in your message. There is a link that allows you to do that. It is right above the smileys. The way you are posting makes it look like it is all your statements and you are attempting to refute yourself. Seems kinda bipolar to the outside reader.
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"Your equation is invalid. That fact does not change. Cash flow starts with sales. That was my error in word usage. "
how is my equation is invalid? it comes from a dictionary, actually the one that you provided me. you are right it does start with sales, but it does not end there. again, you were right with your little part of the equation, but i got more detailed and i was better with my explanation.
"And please, learn how to quote previous messages in your post if you are going to use my quotes in your message. There is a link that allows you to do that. It is right above the smileys. The way you are posting makes it look like it is all your statements and you are attempting to refute yourself. Seems kinda bipolar to the outside re...
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how is my equation is invalid? it comes from a dictionary, actually the one that you provided me. you are right it does start with sales, but it does not end there. again, you were right with your little part of the equation, but i got more detailed and i was better with my explanation.
"And please, learn how to quote previous messages in your post if you are going to use my quotes in your message. There is a link that allows you to do that. It is right above the smileys. The way you are posting makes it look like it is all your statements and you are attempting to refute yourself. Seems kinda bipolar to the outside re...
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Because if you continue reading on that site, you will realize that your equation yeilds net profits. not Cash flow. I'm done with this conversation. You have proven your lack of education. And you have managed to give me a headache. I don't get paid enough to teach uneducated people on the literal definitions of business terms.
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"Because if you continue reading on that site, you will realize that your equation yeilds net profits. not Cash flow. I'm done with this conversation. You have proven your lack of education. And you have managed to give me a headache. I don't get paid enough to teach uneducated people on the literal definitions of business terms."
i am not reading more of that site.. you wanted a definition for "cash flow" i gave it to you.. and your saying something else.. IT SAYS IT RIGHT THERE!!!! cash flow equals blah blah blah blah blah etc....
i am not reading more of that site.. you wanted a definition for "cash flow" i gave it to you.. and your saying something else.. IT SAYS IT RIGHT THERE!!!! cash flow equals blah blah blah blah blah etc....
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as i mentioned earlier, i didnt prove your point. your basis was sales= cash flow. and its not. it is part of it , but not all of it. what i said, and what the definition that i got (plus link) plus your definition (plus link) was equal to my definition more than yours.
you may be right with sales, but thats not the total scenereo of how to calculate net income, and cash flow as well as free cash flow or net loss.
you may be right with sales, but thats not the total scenereo of how to calculate net income, and cash flow as well as free cash flow or net loss.
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nextel18 said:
http://www.americancashflow.com/mycapitalworks/CashF ... »
What Is Cash Flow?
Cash flow simply means the money that comes into and leaves a business or household. Money flows into a business in the form of revenues and out through the form of expenses.
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yawwwn!! mr business man, your boring me with your stupidity.
Hey! You managed to copy and paste a credible thought! Too bad you can't come up with them on your own.
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muchdrama said:Whoops! My bad...now that I look at how good a portion of that post was written, I realize you copied and pasted...again. Sorry.nextel18 said:
http://www.americancashflow.com/mycapitalworks/CashF ... »
What Is Cash Flow?
Cash flow simply means the money that comes into and leaves a business or household. Money flows into a business in the form of revenues and out through the form of expenses.
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yawwwn!! mr business man, your boring me with your stupidity.
Hey! You managed to copy and paste a credible thought! Too bad you can't come up with them on your own.
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nextel18 said:
muchdrama is an idiot. he/she is very stupid and knows nothing about anything.
"He really has no clue how business works, nor does he know how difficult it is going to be to merge the 2 technologies."
i know perfectly about what business is and how it works, you on the other hand doesnt. you think that they just look at total sales!! hahahahahahha!! wrong!!!! i said it would be difficult with the 2 technologies, but it wont be as difficult of what your making it out to be.
800mhz contigious spectrum is easy to transform into cdma. iden towers are easy to transform into cdma. etc...
sorry buddy.
Still going on about the transsexual thing, huh? It's old, jackass. Sprint-Nextel w...
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SForsyth01 said:He is, without a doubt in my mind, the STUPIDEST poster on this site (and he's been banned for such stupidity from ideninsider.com and howardforums.com).
Thank You, muchdrama....I have been trying to get this through to his think head for 2 days now. He really has no clue how business works, nor does he know how difficult it is going to be to merge the 2 technologies.
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muchdrama said:P.S. It's only a matter of time before he gets banned from this site as well.SForsyth01 said:He is, without a doubt in my mind, the STUPIDEST poster on this site (and he's been banned for such stupidity from ideninsider.com and howardforums.com).
Thank You, muchdrama....I have been trying to get this through to his think head for 2 days now. He really has no clue how business works, nor does he know how difficult it is going to be to merge the 2 technologies.
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hey mr. you might want to read this;
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/101830/000119 ... »
In 2006, again we would begin that network organization consolidation, assuming a third quarter 2005 closing of our transaction. We would begin to merge the transport networks, going to deploy the CDMA, the iDEN, Push-to-talk interoperability, and begin technical trials in 4G or the BRF MMDS questions that came up earlier. So that would be an expectation that we would set for 2006 that we would begin trialing some of these capabilities across that position that we have. 2007, re-branding would be completed. We begin deployment of 4G broadband data should we opt to move in that direction, voice and PTTT trials on EV-DO Rev. A ...
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http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/101830/000119 ... »
In 2006, again we would begin that network organization consolidation, assuming a third quarter 2005 closing of our transaction. We would begin to merge the transport networks, going to deploy the CDMA, the iDEN, Push-to-talk interoperability, and begin technical trials in 4G or the BRF MMDS questions that came up earlier. So that would be an expectation that we would set for 2006 that we would begin trialing some of these capabilities across that position that we have. 2007, re-branding would be completed. We begin deployment of 4G broadband data should we opt to move in that direction, voice and PTTT trials on EV-DO Rev. A ...
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That is all well and good, however, all that does is prove my point. That it is not going to happen near as quickly as you initially eluded to. And that is also strictly based on the federal government acting that fast, and they rarely do.
Once again, you did a great job in making my point for me.
Once again, you did a great job in making my point for me.
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you said it would take 5 years or so but they are saying from 2006-2008. thats 3 years. the government will approve this, possibly before the end of 2005, which means that they will start at 2006.
how does it prove your point?
how does it prove your point?
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nextel18 said:He's saying (and I wholeheartedly back him up on this one) that Sprint-Nextel's merger won't run as smoothly as you seem to think. It's going to be a couple of years PAST what you're saying before they become competition for any other major carrier.
you said it would take 5 years or so but they are saying from 2006-2008. thats 3 years. the government will approve this, possibly before the end of 2005, which means that they will start at 2006.
how does it prove your point?
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muchdrama stated it perfectly. It will not be near as seamless for Sprint/Nextel as it was for Cingular/ATT. Cingular did not have to integrate and convert technologies. Sprint/Nextel will have to do this. It is not going to go as smoothly as their managment thinks it will.
And there is virtually no way the federal government will approve this before the end of 2005. It may happen, but I will be very surprised. They normally don't act that fast.
And there is virtually no way the federal government will approve this before the end of 2005. It may happen, but I will be very surprised. They normally don't act that fast.
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"Sprint/Nextel will have to do this. It is not going to go as smoothly as their managment thinks it will."
so why do they think it will? do you know something they dont? if you do, why dont you run the company?
"And there is virtually no way the federal government will approve this before the end of 2005. It may happen, but I will be very surprised. They normally don't act that fast."
they are saying it will be approved by all regulatory bodies by the 2nd half of 2005, probably around the 3rd or 4th quarter of 2005.
again, if you know more than the mgmt team of the company then you should run for them, since you claim you know it all.
so why do they think it will? do you know something they dont? if you do, why dont you run the company?
"And there is virtually no way the federal government will approve this before the end of 2005. It may happen, but I will be very surprised. They normally don't act that fast."
they are saying it will be approved by all regulatory bodies by the 2nd half of 2005, probably around the 3rd or 4th quarter of 2005.
again, if you know more than the mgmt team of the company then you should run for them, since you claim you know it all.
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You really are a complete idiot. Look how long it took for the government to approve the Cingular/ATT merger compared to the timeline that they initially set forth for it.
The reason they think it will go that smoothly is because they have to keep a very positive attitude in order for their respective employees to have the same attitude regarding the situation. As I stated before, I am in executive level corporate management, and I can tell you, maintaining a very positive attitude and setting aggressive timelines (while staying positive about those timelines) is very key to having the full support of your employees.
The reason they think it will go that smoothly is because they have to keep a very positive attitude in order for their respective employees to have the same attitude regarding the situation. As I stated before, I am in executive level corporate management, and I can tell you, maintaining a very positive attitude and setting aggressive timelines (while staying positive about those timelines) is very key to having the full support of your employees.
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"You really are a complete idiot. Look how long it took for the government to approve the Cingular/ATT merger compared to the timeline that they initially set forth for it."
name calling again, how sad.
it takes about a year to approve a merger, and it will take longer if there will be divestitures like there was with attw/cingular.
"As I stated before, I am in executive level corporate management, and I can tell you, maintaining a very positive attitude and setting aggressive timelines (while staying positive about those timelines) is very key to having the full support of your employees."
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name calling again, how sad.
it takes about a year to approve a merger, and it will take longer if there will be divestitures like there was with attw/cingular.
"As I stated before, I am in executive level corporate management, and I can tell you, maintaining a very positive attitude and setting aggressive timelines (while staying positive about those timelines) is very key to having the full support of your employees."
your not in corp. if you are why are you online on here? shouldnt you be in meetings instead arguing with me? get a clue, your not in corp s...
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Absolutely correct. I'm working for AT&T Wireless in one of the divested markets (to ALLTEL) and our sale STILL has not officially taken place. That is just for the Oklahoma City and Ponca City markets too. It's been 6 months so far and the FCC/DOJ are still sitting on it (although we've heard it will finally happen in 2-3 weeks!). They are also a CDMA carrier and we are GSM. ALLTEL hopes to have the GSM/TDMA users all migrated to CDMA by Dec 31, 2005, which is a VERY agressive estimate. Now, that took a total of 13 months and that was just for the Oklahoma market! Now extrapolate that all to a national market and there you have it!
Speedywalk
"It ain't broke, it just needs duct tape!"
Speedywalk
"It ain't broke, it just needs duct tape!"
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gov will OK this merger by the end of 2005. its been said by both nextel and sprint. i guess we will have to see. cingular/att wireless merger is a lot differnt then sprint/nextel's becuase of divestitures that will happen. i dont think there will be a lot of divestitures with nextel/sprint since they do run on differnt frequencies and networks.
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You really don't pay any attention, do you??? speedywalk just told you how much longer than anticipated it is taken for all of the Cingular/ATT issues. Yet, you still think this will be through the government by the end of 2005???
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cingular and att wireless' issues are a lot differnt then nextel and sprints. there were a lot of overlaping spectrum and network that was going on with the 2 companies. unlike sprint they dont even share the same spectrum, besides for mmds spectrum, the same network...
yes, i belive it will be approved by the gov by the end of 2005.
yes, i belive it will be approved by the gov by the end of 2005.
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i will dont worry. nextel/sprint said it would be oked by the end of 2005, read the transcripts that i have provided.
by the way when was the cingular/att wireless deal was announced and then closed? show links too.
by the way when was the cingular/att wireless deal was announced and then closed? show links too.
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http://www.internetnews.com/wireless/article.php/329 ... »
Shows beginning of Merger Discussions on January 14, 2004
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1683901,0 ... »
FCC Clears Merger October 26, 2004
http://www.fcc.gov/transaction/cingular-att_wireless ... »
Shows initial FCC announcement and deadlines to file protests. To my knowledge, this has not happened yet for Sprint/Nextel and is not supposed to happen anytime soon.
Shows beginning of Merger Discussions on January 14, 2004
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1683901,0 ... »
FCC Clears Merger October 26, 2004
http://www.fcc.gov/transaction/cingular-att_wireless ... »
Shows initial FCC announcement and deadlines to file protests. To my knowledge, this has not happened yet for Sprint/Nextel and is not supposed to happen anytime soon.
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so the merger took 10 months to be oked for the cingular/att wireless merger.
"To my knowledge, this has not happened yet for Sprint/Nextel and is not supposed to happen anytime soon."
well, sprint/nextel has filed their paperwork with the fcc.
http://www.fcc.gov/transaction/sprint-nextel.html »
this is a pretty interesting site to look at; http://www.fcc.gov/transaction/timeline.html its the timeline of how the fcc works.
"Although the Commission will endeavor to meet its 180-day goal in all cases, several factors could cause the Commissionâs review of a particular application to exceed 180 days. Delay in action beyond the 180-day goal in a particular case is not indicative of how the Commission ultimately will resolve an ap...
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"To my knowledge, this has not happened yet for Sprint/Nextel and is not supposed to happen anytime soon."
well, sprint/nextel has filed their paperwork with the fcc.
http://www.fcc.gov/transaction/sprint-nextel.html »
this is a pretty interesting site to look at; http://www.fcc.gov/transaction/timeline.html its the timeline of how the fcc works.
"Although the Commission will endeavor to meet its 180-day goal in all cases, several factors could cause the Commissionâs review of a particular application to exceed 180 days. Delay in action beyond the 180-day goal in a particular case is not indicative of how the Commission ultimately will resolve an ap...
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hey mr. you might want to read this;
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/101830/000119 ... »
In 2006, again we would begin that network organization consolidation, assuming a third quarter 2005 closing of our transaction. We would begin to merge the transport networks, going to deploy the CDMA, the iDEN, Push-to-talk interoperability, and begin technical trials in 4G or the BRF MMDS questions that came up earlier. So that would be an expectation that we would set for 2006 that we would begin trialing some of these capabilities across that position that we have. 2007, re-branding would be completed. We begin deployment of 4G broadband data should we opt to move in that direction, voi
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Here is how to see it. Go to this link:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller? ... »
It is the link for the VX-8000 on the VZW website. Then look in the add-on/accessories boxes on the right of the page. Click on the V-Cast $15/month option. A pop up window will pop up describing the service.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller? ... »
It is the link for the VX-8000 on the VZW website. Then look in the add-on/accessories boxes on the right of the page. Click on the V-Cast $15/month option. A pop up window will pop up describing the service.
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yea... i saw that.. again i got confused.. becuase the other one the 80 bucks one had to do with pc card etc... this has to do with actually on the phone... sorry... âšī¸
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I have to ask why is WiFi a joke, i have WiFi and when set up you can get great speeds, mine are normally around 70 MBPS, b/c I have a speed booster, then again I am in Canada and we have had broadband service from about 1985 on, and you in the states are just getting it đ
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not fair!! hahaha. well WIFI down here sometimes works and sometimes doesnt. you will have to pay for them and its not worth it. sometimes you dont get 70mb/s sometimes you get less. so i will just wait till wimax or flarion or DO REV A comes out and i can acheive those speeds all the time.
i love canada!!! what service do you have?
i love canada!!! what service do you have?
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yea, but verizon is very good with large cities becuase they buy a lot of spectrum. as you know cingular/att wireless doesnt.
Cingular doesn't NEED to buy spectrum. In nearly all of the markets they currently cover, they have the maximum amount of spectrum the FCC will allow them to have. They actually had to divest spectrum in something like 17 major markets because they had the maximum amount of spectrum allowed. So they can take all of the money they don't need to spend on spectrum now, and build more towers. đ
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lol cingular also spent 41 billion dollars on a terrible company in att wireless. you are right they had to do divestitures which i think cost them 3-5 million subscribers.
do you know what the max amount of spectrum is with gsm? i didnt think there was a cap with gsm users, but i know there is one with crms and iden users.
do you know what the max amount of spectrum is with gsm? i didnt think there was a cap with gsm users, but i know there is one with crms and iden users.
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70 mhz.
$41 billion on a terrible company? I've been through this before with someone else. AT&T, up until 2001 (one year after 4 companies merged to create Verizon), was the largest and most recognized wireless company, holding 25% of the market share all their own at at time when no single other company held more than 18%. The company started from SCRATCH, zero customers, into 23 million customers, no merges or acquisitions. Tell me how a terrible company does that.
Cingular purchasing AT&T Wireless got them the #1 spot, didn't it? Lowered their churn, didn't it? Raised their quarterly net adds, didn't it? Shattered the record that Verizon had set in quarterly net adds, didn't it? Gave them the largest mobile calling co...
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$41 billion on a terrible company? I've been through this before with someone else. AT&T, up until 2001 (one year after 4 companies merged to create Verizon), was the largest and most recognized wireless company, holding 25% of the market share all their own at at time when no single other company held more than 18%. The company started from SCRATCH, zero customers, into 23 million customers, no merges or acquisitions. Tell me how a terrible company does that.
Cingular purchasing AT&T Wireless got them the #1 spot, didn't it? Lowered their churn, didn't it? Raised their quarterly net adds, didn't it? Shattered the record that Verizon had set in quarterly net adds, didn't it? Gave them the largest mobile calling co...
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yea, att wireless isnt worth 41 billion dollars. i would have rather seen cingular, bell south, and sbc go after tmobile instead. their growth story, tmobile's, is a lot better then att wireless. attws was actually loosing a lot of subscribers and might be still.
we will see, but cingular will pay heavily for the 41 billion dollar purchase of att wireless.
tmobile was the better suitor than att wireless.
we will see, but cingular will pay heavily for the 41 billion dollar purchase of att wireless.
tmobile was the better suitor than att wireless.
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1. T-Mobile wasn't/isn't for sale.
2. Cingular covered nearly all locations that T-Mobile already did, or at least share(d) networks.
3. T-Mobile wouldn't have gotten Cingular A SINGLE ONE of the things that AT&T helped Cingular accomplish\gain.
4. Cingular could have potentially lose hundreds of thousands of customers disgruntled by the difference in pricing of data and voice. AT&T's prices and services were a little bit more comparable.
5. Not much more than a year ago, T-Mobile USA was bleeding more money and customers than AT&T, although they have turned things around.
2. Cingular covered nearly all locations that T-Mobile already did, or at least share(d) networks.
3. T-Mobile wouldn't have gotten Cingular A SINGLE ONE of the things that AT&T helped Cingular accomplish\gain.
4. Cingular could have potentially lose hundreds of thousands of customers disgruntled by the difference in pricing of data and voice. AT&T's prices and services were a little bit more comparable.
5. Not much more than a year ago, T-Mobile USA was bleeding more money and customers than AT&T, although they have turned things around.
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ok i give you all those points.
but 1. every company is for sale, its just that if there is that right price to entice them.
but 1. every company is for sale, its just that if there is that right price to entice them.
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DT makes it a point that, not matter how much, they aren't selling T-Mobile USA. Its a side-project compared to their real prioritites in Europe, but it gives them international roaming agreements in the US.
"but 1. every company is for sale, its just that if there is that right price to entice them."
Are you saying that T-Mobile is worth $41 billion? Ha. Good one.
How much do you think AT&T was worth?
How much do you think T-Mobile is worth?
How much more do you think Cingular is worth now?
"but 1. every company is for sale, its just that if there is that right price to entice them."
Are you saying that T-Mobile is worth $41 billion? Ha. Good one.
How much do you think AT&T was worth?
How much do you think T-Mobile is worth?
How much more do you think Cingular is worth now?
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no i am not saying that tmobile is worth 41 billion dollars, but att wireless is DEF not. i think vodaphone did a great job bidding up the price to inflate that number.
you mean att wireless. (att is being bought out by sbc for 16 billion dollars) i would say; $30 billion dollars based on the market cap and 30 percent premium for its stock price.
tmobile usa; i would have to say (since its hard to say becuase its a private company owned by DT) i belive they had less pops then att wireless. so obviously less then $30 billion dollars and obviously less then $41 billion dollars.
cingular is worth now; well its difficult to find out becuase cingular is a private company.. i would add their total assets subtract it from their total l...
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you mean att wireless. (att is being bought out by sbc for 16 billion dollars) i would say; $30 billion dollars based on the market cap and 30 percent premium for its stock price.
tmobile usa; i would have to say (since its hard to say becuase its a private company owned by DT) i belive they had less pops then att wireless. so obviously less then $30 billion dollars and obviously less then $41 billion dollars.
cingular is worth now; well its difficult to find out becuase cingular is a private company.. i would add their total assets subtract it from their total l...
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"you mean att wireless."
You know what I meant. The "Wireless" doesn't need to be spoken, considering this IS a wireless website.
Where are getting that Cingular has $23 billion of debt? I'm not sure of their debt right now, so I'm just curious as to where you found that.
You know what I meant. The "Wireless" doesn't need to be spoken, considering this IS a wireless website.
Where are getting that Cingular has $23 billion of debt? I'm not sure of their debt right now, so I'm just curious as to where you found that.
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i found that from their SEC filings and their IR website. ( i belive that was a combine between att wireless who had i belive 9 billion of debt and obviously the diff of what cingular has)
actually from their recent filing it says that they have long term debt of... $23.857 billion dollars.(thats as of dec 31, 2004) total liabilities, however, say $37.093 billion dollars
(http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c= 125269&p=irol-SECText&TEXT=aHR0cDovL2NjYm4uMT Brd2l6YXJkLmNvbS94bWwvZmlsaW5nLnhtbD9yZXBvPXR lbmsmaXBhZ2U9MzMxNzg2MSZkb2M9MCZhdHRhY2g9b24= )
actually from their recent filing it says that they have long term debt of... $23.857 billion dollars.(thats as of dec 31, 2004) total liabilities, however, say $37.093 billion dollars
(http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c= 125269&p=irol-SECText&TEXT=aHR0cDovL2NjYm4uMT Brd2l6YXJkLmNvbS94bWwvZmlsaW5nLnhtbD9yZXBvPXR lbmsmaXBhZ2U9MzMxNzg2MSZkb2M9MCZhdHRhY2g9b24= )
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That is some debt. Wasn't ATT trading for around 8.25 a share before the bidding? I think the final offer set the stock at around 14 or 15 a share which would mean that Cingular paid almost twice what it was worth, ouch.
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i should probably know becuase i had AWE stock. i belive it was around $5 per share, if i remember correctly, well thats when i got in. then cingular, bell south + sbc offered $15 dollars per share in cash. i mean its a lot more, but usually shareholders want a premium, and we got it. đ
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T-Mobile is absolutely NOT for sale. They are owned by DT of Germany. One of the LARGEST wireless companies in the world. And they have stated that they will NOT sell T-Mobile USA, no matter what the price is. And I have this directly from the horse's mouth. I have colleagues that are very close with the CEO of DT.
And it would not have accomplished near as much for Cingular if they would have bought T-Mobile. AT&T was an amazing investment and a steal at $41 billion. Just ask Verizon, who also was extremely active in the bidding for AT&T. Do you honestly think that Verizon would have tried so hard to get AT&T if it was a bad investment? I think not.
I have to give it to you, you know technologies in the wireless industry be...
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And it would not have accomplished near as much for Cingular if they would have bought T-Mobile. AT&T was an amazing investment and a steal at $41 billion. Just ask Verizon, who also was extremely active in the bidding for AT&T. Do you honestly think that Verizon would have tried so hard to get AT&T if it was a bad investment? I think not.
I have to give it to you, you know technologies in the wireless industry be...
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"And I have this directly from the horse's mouth. I have colleagues that are very close with the CEO of DT."
insider trading? i am sure the SEC wants to hear this.
"I have to give it to you, you know technologies in the wireless industry better than most. But, you really need to educate yourself in business and especially mergers and acquisitions before you shoot your mouth off and show how much you really do not know when it comes to the business world."
yep, whatever ya say buddy. i know about both technologies and about business.
"Just ask Verizon, who also was extremely active in the bidding for AT&T. Do you honestly think that Verizon would have tried so hard to get AT&T if it was a bad investment? I think not. "
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insider trading? i am sure the SEC wants to hear this.
"I have to give it to you, you know technologies in the wireless industry better than most. But, you really need to educate yourself in business and especially mergers and acquisitions before you shoot your mouth off and show how much you really do not know when it comes to the business world."
yep, whatever ya say buddy. i know about both technologies and about business.
"Just ask Verizon, who also was extremely active in the bidding for AT&T. Do you honestly think that Verizon would have tried so hard to get AT&T if it was a bad investment? I think not. "
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You are on a wireless website, so you'll just have to live with people saying AT&T. The "Wireless" doesn't need to be spoken because all of us here SHOULD be talking about the wireless company.
And yes, all of us know that AT&T Corp. is being acquired by SBC...
And yes, all of us know that AT&T Corp. is being acquired by SBC...
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alright, i was just letting you know...
if you can say next time ATTWS or ATT as seperate entities becuase they are.. sometimes one gets confused. if you can.
if you can say next time ATTWS or ATT as seperate entities becuase they are.. sometimes one gets confused. if you can.
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Insider trading my ass. I don't own any stock in either company. So stop making false accusations to bring the attention away from your lack of knowledge.
If you knew about the business side of things, you would not be making any type of these unfounded statements about Sprint/Nextel being better than VZW and Cingular once the merger happens. Every time you post something, you show that you only have a knowledge of the high end technology that means nothing to the average user. You have no clue about how a corporation is run.
And you want my compairson??? If T-Mobile and Cingular were to merge, leaving out AT&T, there would have been many problems. 1. Cingular would not have become the largest company in wireless and they would n...
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If you knew about the business side of things, you would not be making any type of these unfounded statements about Sprint/Nextel being better than VZW and Cingular once the merger happens. Every time you post something, you show that you only have a knowledge of the high end technology that means nothing to the average user. You have no clue about how a corporation is run.
And you want my compairson??? If T-Mobile and Cingular were to merge, leaving out AT&T, there would have been many problems. 1. Cingular would not have become the largest company in wireless and they would n...
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"Insider trading my ass. I don't own any stock in either company. So stop making false accusations to bring the attention away from your lack of knowledge."
aww. well you said you talk to people who are execs and talk to the ceo etc.. which is inside information and thats again not good if the sec/fcc looks at this website... my lack of knowledge ahhahahah. and you are dreaming by friend.
"If you knew about the business side of things, you would not be making any type of these unfounded statements about Sprint/Nextel being better than VZW and Cingular once the merger happens."
i can make all kinds of statments i want as long as they are sound, and all of them are.
and yes i do know how a business is run.
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aww. well you said you talk to people who are execs and talk to the ceo etc.. which is inside information and thats again not good if the sec/fcc looks at this website... my lack of knowledge ahhahahah. and you are dreaming by friend.
"If you knew about the business side of things, you would not be making any type of these unfounded statements about Sprint/Nextel being better than VZW and Cingular once the merger happens."
i can make all kinds of statments i want as long as they are sound, and all of them are.
and yes i do know how a business is run.
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You simply keep showing how dumb you really are in the business aspect of things.
1. Yes, I am sure about that. Look at the number of customers they gained by acquiring AT&T Wireless and compare that to the number of customers they would have gained by buying T-Mobile. There is a major difference in that number. Also look at T-Mobile's network compared to AT&T. There is a drastic difference there too.
2. Verizon was bidding on AT&T (Vodafone was going to make the purchase and put the acquisition under the VZW name). If SBC (Cingular) wouldn't have stepped in with the 41 billion dollar bid, VZW would have acquired Cingular.
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1. Yes, I am sure about that. Look at the number of customers they gained by acquiring AT&T Wireless and compare that to the number of customers they would have gained by buying T-Mobile. There is a major difference in that number. Also look at T-Mobile's network compared to AT&T. There is a drastic difference there too.
2. Verizon was bidding on AT&T (Vodafone was going to make the purchase and put the acquisition under the VZW name). If SBC (Cingular) wouldn't have stepped in with the 41 billion dollar bid, VZW would have acquired Cingular.
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1. show some numbers, some facts some links.
2. verizon didnt want att wireless, and it was vodaphone bidding for awe not verizon. anyway, vodaphone would have said no or they would have just walked away and pay the break up fee.
3. there are statments? please share. provide links to go with it.
insider info has to do with anything you talk about the company that PEOPLE CAN NOT GET THEIR HANDS ON!!!
that means you talk to him on an indirect basis, through your friends.
2. verizon didnt want att wireless, and it was vodaphone bidding for awe not verizon. anyway, vodaphone would have said no or they would have just walked away and pay the break up fee.
3. there are statments? please share. provide links to go with it.
insider info has to do with anything you talk about the company that PEOPLE CAN NOT GET THEIR HANDS ON!!!
that means you talk to him on an indirect basis, through your friends.
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I'm not even dignifying your statements of 1, 2, and 3 with a response. You have shown your stupidity enough here.
And as far as my statements about T-Mobile regarding them not being for sale, there is nothing insider about it. I am only stating things that DT's CEO has stated publicly himself. Get yourself a clue. These statements are already public information well before I made the statements, moron.
And as far as my statements about T-Mobile regarding them not being for sale, there is nothing insider about it. I am only stating things that DT's CEO has stated publicly himself. Get yourself a clue. These statements are already public information well before I made the statements, moron.
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I'm not even dignifying your statements of 1, 2, and 3 with a response. You have shown your stupidity enough here.
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why not? you said you wanted me to show some evidence for my things, which i have done, but you dont? hypocrite. and it will hurt your credibility.
"And as far as my statements about T-Mobile regarding them not being for sale, there is nothing insider about it. I am only stating things that DT's CEO has stated publicly himself. Get yourself a clue. These statements are already public information well before I made the statements, moron."
again, show proof.
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if you cant then shut it becuase i did with my sprint/nextel facts, and you cant. (oh yea, you asked me to show links etc.. and i did, but you...
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I'm not even dignifying your statements of 1, 2, and 3 with a response. You have shown your stupidity enough here.
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why not? you said you wanted me to show some evidence for my things, which i have done, but you dont? hypocrite. and it will hurt your credibility.
"And as far as my statements about T-Mobile regarding them not being for sale, there is nothing insider about it. I am only stating things that DT's CEO has stated publicly himself. Get yourself a clue. These statements are already public information well before I made the statements, moron."
again, show proof.
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if you cant then shut it becuase i did with my sprint/nextel facts, and you cant. (oh yea, you asked me to show links etc.. and i did, but you...
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And it will hurt my credibility???? Have you not noticed that there are many more people backing up my claims than are backing up yours?? Just read this forum and other forums regarding the same topics that we have discussed.
I don't think I have any credibility issues to worry about. You are busy calling me an inside trader when you don't even know the definition of the term. And your false accusations of that and your showing that you don't even know what that means hurts your credibility way more than mine gets hurt by not posting links simply because I don't want to waste my time searching something down that everyone else in this forum knows as common knowledge.
I don't think I have any credibility issues to worry about. You are busy calling me an inside trader when you don't even know the definition of the term. And your false accusations of that and your showing that you don't even know what that means hurts your credibility way more than mine gets hurt by not posting links simply because I don't want to waste my time searching something down that everyone else in this forum knows as common knowledge.
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"You are busy calling me an inside trader when you don't even know the definition of the term"
of course. it has to do with anything that someone can NOT GET. and since you havnt proved to me where you got the information of what your collegues said to the ceo of DT then thats insider trading/information(thats the better word.
"And your false accusations of that and your showing that you don't even know what that means hurts your credibility way more than mine gets hurt by not posting links simply because I don't want to waste my time searching something down that everyone else in this forum knows as common knowledge."
you want to prove something so you should provide links.. since you cant that hurts your credibility.
didnt yo...
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of course. it has to do with anything that someone can NOT GET. and since you havnt proved to me where you got the information of what your collegues said to the ceo of DT then thats insider trading/information(thats the better word.
"And your false accusations of that and your showing that you don't even know what that means hurts your credibility way more than mine gets hurt by not posting links simply because I don't want to waste my time searching something down that everyone else in this forum knows as common knowledge."
you want to prove something so you should provide links.. since you cant that hurts your credibility.
didnt yo...
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INSIDER TRADING TRULY DEFINED WOULD MEAN THAT I HAVE TO OWN STOCK AND POSSESS THE INFORMATION (that is not public information, which this is) IN ORDER TO MAKE A MONETARY GAIN!!!!!!!! That is no where close to what I did, since I do not own any stock, and I stated public information.
Go back to your little nextel corner and give your false information out over there, because people aren't buying it here.
Go back to your little nextel corner and give your false information out over there, because people aren't buying it here.
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INSIDER TRADING TRULY DEFINED WOULD MEAN THAT I HAVE TO OWN STOCK AND POSSESS THE INFORMATION (that is not public information, which this is) IN ORDER TO MAKE A MONETARY GAIN!!!!!!!! That is no where close to what I did, since I do not own any stock, and I stated public information.
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also insider information also is passed through information that others can NOT OBTAIN!!! and you did since you cant back it up with facts or links with your execs who talked to the CEO of DT. lol thats funny.
"Go back to your little nextel corner and give your false information out over there, because people aren't buying it here."
aww the baby is crying now.. wahh wahhh.
INSIDER TRADING TRULY DEFINED WOULD MEAN THAT I HAVE TO OWN STOCK AND POSSESS THE INFORMATION (that is not public information, which this is) IN ORDER TO MAKE A MONETARY GAIN!!!!!!!! That is no where close to what I did, since I do not own any stock, and I stated public information.
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also insider information also is passed through information that others can NOT OBTAIN!!! and you did since you cant back it up with facts or links with your execs who talked to the CEO of DT. lol thats funny.
"Go back to your little nextel corner and give your false information out over there, because people aren't buying it here."
aww the baby is crying now.. wahh wahhh.
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That is not true. MOST os the ATT stores shut down. I do agree that the ATT stores will be Cingulars downfall (due to untrained, still bitter about the switch reps), especially this year. Not all phone company has perfect customer service. You can't please everyone, jsut give them what is fair. IMO, Cingular does that most of the time. Protocol has been a HUGE issue lately, and Verizon is why. Verizon may have the big cities covered better than anyone (although you still get the same signal with Cingular in most cities), but you have to pay attention to the people ALL OVER THE COUNTRY! (Hints the ALLOVER network). ANd I don't know who wrote this, but what does Cingular lie about in advertising??? You should catch me up. I manage to...
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very true on all your points. i dont think i mentioned that they lie in their advertising, but if i did here is why i think. they are advertising becuase of the merger the NEW cingular will increase capacity/coverage, but people who i have been talking to say otherwise.
i guess we shall see.
i guess we shall see.
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nextel18 said:People you've been talking to? Who? The Easter Bunny and his fiance?
very true on all your points. i dont think i mentioned that they lie in their advertising, but if i did here is why i think. they are advertising becuase of the merger the NEW cingular will increase capacity/coverage, but people who i have been talking to say otherwise.
i guess we shall see.
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Verizon may not be #1 in customer numbers (RIGHT NOW) but there network is still biggest in the industry Making verizon#1 in network reliability and coverage. It will only be a matter of time before there customer numbers catch back up to cingular.
http://www.cingular.com/cingular_advantage »
The Allover Network covers over 270 million people and is growing.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/index.jsp »
America's Choice covers 289 million people in the U.S.
I was checking out cingular's phones on the website and thought that was a little interesting that the verizon network still covers more than cingular's! I don't want to start a rant with any cingular lovers out there, but i saw some posts awhile back saying cingular's network ...
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http://www.cingular.com/cingular_advantage »
The Allover Network covers over 270 million people and is growing.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/index.jsp »
America's Choice covers 289 million people in the U.S.
I was checking out cingular's phones on the website and thought that was a little interesting that the verizon network still covers more than cingular's! I don't want to start a rant with any cingular lovers out there, but i saw some posts awhile back saying cingular's network ...
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I was checking out cingular's phones on the website and thought that was a little interesting that the verizon network still covers more than cingular's! I don't want to start a rant with any cingular lovers out there, but i saw some posts awhile back saying cingular's network was larger than verizons after the merger.
Yeah I see that too...Its a good thing I dont travel hundreds of miles of the main roads into the deserts and mountains. Many will scream..emergancy use..Well if you have Verizon in Atlantic City or Houston....you better be in the right place or you're in deep Shyte.
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nextel18 said:You do know his points are skewed right?
very good point. again, muchdrama knows nothing.
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Verizon may not be #1 in customer numbers (RIGHT NOW) but there network is still biggest in the industry Making verizon#1 in network reliability and coverage. It will only be a matter of time before there customer numbers catch back up to cingular.
http://www.cingular.com/cingular_advantage »
The Allover Network covers over 270 million people and is growing.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/index.jsp »
America's Choice covers 289 million people in the U.S.
I was checking out cingular's phones on the website and thought that was a little interesting that the verizon network still covers more than cingular's! I don't want to start a rant with any cingular lovers out there, but i saw some posts aw
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Then why is it that when you pull verizon's national map and cingular's national map and compare the two verizon's is bigger? Or is there map outdated on there website to. This all gets confusing becasue cingular says largest voice and data, but verizon's is nations largest home calling area. That would lead me to believe cingular data network my cover more area, but there voice network is not as large as verizon's.
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Then why is it that when you pull verizon's national map and cingular's national map and compare the two verizon's is bigger? Or is there map outdated on there website to. This all gets confusing becasue cingular says largest voice and data, but verizon's is nations largest home calling area. That would lead me to believe cingular data network my cover more area, but there voice network is not as large as verizon's.
You got it.
With verizon's AC plans, the large calling area includes voice only in many parts.
You are also correct to state that the Cingular map is outdated as well... wait until they print the new one...
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http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=3m&s=VZ&l=on&z=m&q=l ... »
The market is speaking loud and clear......and its only just begun
The market is speaking loud and clear......and its only just begun
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kingfrog77 said:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=3m&s=VZ&l=on&z=m&q=l ... »
The market is speaking loud and clear......and its only just begun
Uh, yes they are- SBC stock is down 9% in that lil' ol' chart of yours. Is that what youre cheering on?
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VZWVan said:hkingfrog77 said:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=3m&s=VZ&l=on&z=m&q=l ... »
The market is speaking loud and clear......and its only just begun
Uh, yes they are- SBC stock is down 9% in that lil' ol' chart of yours. Is that what youre cheering on?
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AND? Verizon is down another 28% more Than SBC for the first time ever....nice way to ignore the point of my post.
And its only Just begun.......
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Your own chart shows them being down a whoppin 4% more than SBC- big friggin deal.
Like I said, stop being a crackhead. đ¤Ŗ
Like I said, stop being a crackhead. đ¤Ŗ
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Insect eater,
There are many realities that determine the price of a company's stock. Very often they have little to do with the actual performance of the company.
SBC and Cingular have gotten the lion's share of attention in the last few months due to the finalized acquisition of ATTWS and AT&T.
A3GSM gave them even more attention through press releases and such. So given that more people will buy the newly hyped than the growing stable.
If it were the performance of the company then why was Amazon's stock so hot even before they had a profitable quarter?
Verizon is performing very well and will continue to perform very well.
SBC is performing well but they have some debt to resolve.
Time will tell.
There are many realities that determine the price of a company's stock. Very often they have little to do with the actual performance of the company.
SBC and Cingular have gotten the lion's share of attention in the last few months due to the finalized acquisition of ATTWS and AT&T.
A3GSM gave them even more attention through press releases and such. So given that more people will buy the newly hyped than the growing stable.
If it were the performance of the company then why was Amazon's stock so hot even before they had a profitable quarter?
Verizon is performing very well and will continue to perform very well.
SBC is performing well but they have some debt to resolve.
Time will tell.
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Said by a true Verizon sales rep......As If the Can you hear me now sales pitch for Verizon was not brainwashing..........You guys crack me up,,but hey don't give up hope....and keep on toop of those corporate memos.....
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Cingular will remain on top for many good reasons, more coverage in more areas. CDMA 3X RTT data is below EDGE data speeds that Cingular operates.
Verizon operates many analog areas, but if they can join with carriers like Alltel and US Cellular...then the wireless race will become even more interesting.
Technology wise, Cingular is on top. Possibilities to become #1 again, Verizon has many options.
Verizon operates many analog areas, but if they can join with carriers like Alltel and US Cellular...then the wireless race will become even more interesting.
Technology wise, Cingular is on top. Possibilities to become #1 again, Verizon has many options.
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cingular has more coverage in more areas than verizon? i didnt know that or dont think that. cdma 3x? well verizon now has ev-do.
verizon has been buying up spectrum and plenty of it.
technology wise cingular is on top? bahahha i dont think so.
verizon has been buying up spectrum and plenty of it.
technology wise cingular is on top? bahahha i dont think so.
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Thats why a lot of verizon people on here are drooling over the fact that Moto's coming out with a cdma RAZR, months after Cingular had it, you guys are so far ahead....
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Uh... people aren't drooling over the RAZR because of its technology, they're drooling over its looks.
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yea.... the problem is; insurance companies dont back it up. i think that can hurt the sales of verizon and sprint if they carry it as well as cingular.
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yea.... the problem is; insurance companies dont back it up. i think that can hurt the sales of verizon and sprint if they carry it as well as cingular.
It could... although I don't think Sprint is gonna get the RAZR. Rich Brome gave some pretty convincing reasons as to why:
https://www.phonescoop.com/news/discuss.php?fm=m&ff= ... »
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yea, thats true i guess. but remember nextel/sprint will have 800, 1.9ghz of spectrum when the merger is done. so they could co-locate towers and combine the 800 and 1.9gh to create a dual band. yea, sprint wouldnt need dual band but they could have it. i am not sure but if the phone is dual band can it still work even though the provider isnt dual band? do you know that answer?
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I think another strike against the RAZR coming to Sprint, N18, is that, with the merger, Sprint-Nextel would want an IDEN/CDMA phone. Its not just 'dual-band', its dual technologies/protocols.
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well with the merger it would be suitable especially since nextel will go to cdma in around 2008. they will bring their 800mhz of spectrum and their 1.9ghz and combine it with sprint's 1.9 and this way they can do a dual 800/1.9gh such as a dual band.
sprint-nextel would want a dual iden/cdma phone anyway before their qchat solution comes out.
but you have to think of the long term after the merger is completed and spectrum and towers are completed.
maybe, i truly think that motorola isnt a great phone manuf. while others like samsung, LG, sanyo and others are. i guess we shall see, but i belive if it will be for verizon it would be for sprint since they are on similiar technologies.
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sprint-nextel would want a dual iden/cdma phone anyway before their qchat solution comes out.
but you have to think of the long term after the merger is completed and spectrum and towers are completed.
maybe, i truly think that motorola isnt a great phone manuf. while others like samsung, LG, sanyo and others are. i guess we shall see, but i belive if it will be for verizon it would be for sprint since they are on similiar technologies.
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Sorry Next... I just think Rich Brome is right... no RAZR for Sprint. Gotta get back to work now... not sure about your dual band Q đ
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yea, rich brome is usually right, but he could be wrong. not a big deal.
"not sure about your dual band Q "
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well if the answer is yes. then it can def. be for sprint as well.
"not sure about your dual band Q "
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well if the answer is yes. then it can def. be for sprint as well.
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verizon doesnt really have a great portfolio, but their coverage is obviously the best- or should be becuase of their huge capex spending per year. i dont think you can say.. if verizon was so great why arent they going to get or why didnt they get already the RAZR. well i belive that phone providers have no say over when the phones will be there. motorola makes the phones so they say when the gsm phoens would be avalable, iden phones will be available and cdma. so i dont think thats fair to say that.
cingular doesnt have better technology, however, they do have better phones then verizon, but verizon has better coverage.
cingular doesnt have better technology, however, they do have better phones then verizon, but verizon has better coverage.
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You seriously are starting to sound like an oaf that makes everything that he posts up.
Cingular and Verizon spend NEARLY THE SAME amount on network expansion anually. The only thing is, it is cheaper to build out a GSM network because it doesn't have the licensing costs of a CDMA network. So $6 billion in GSM is going to go A LOT FURTHER than $6 billion in CDMA.
And as for better technology, GSM has WCDMA, HSDPA, and MIMO upgrades that do MUCH MORE than EV-DO considering they are VoIP technologies and EV-DO is data only. Those upgrades will drastically increase cell capacity and improve call quality. Verizon will be finding themselves at a dead end soon after EV-DO rev. A or maybe in the future EV-DV. How is CDMA so much better?
Cingular and Verizon spend NEARLY THE SAME amount on network expansion anually. The only thing is, it is cheaper to build out a GSM network because it doesn't have the licensing costs of a CDMA network. So $6 billion in GSM is going to go A LOT FURTHER than $6 billion in CDMA.
And as for better technology, GSM has WCDMA, HSDPA, and MIMO upgrades that do MUCH MORE than EV-DO considering they are VoIP technologies and EV-DO is data only. Those upgrades will drastically increase cell capacity and improve call quality. Verizon will be finding themselves at a dead end soon after EV-DO rev. A or maybe in the future EV-DV. How is CDMA so much better?
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And as for better technology, GSM has WCDMA, HSDPA, and MIMO upgrades that do MUCH MORE than EV-DO considering they are VoIP technologies and EV-DO is data only. Those upgrades will drastically increase cell capacity and improve call quality. Verizon will be finding themselves at a dead end soon after EV-DO rev. A or maybe in the future EV-DV. How is CDMA so much better?
Umm... isn't there a revision to EV-DO that supports VoIP? đ
"Support for VoIP Services
Operators implementing Rev. A throughout their network will be able to take advantage of wireless IP-based capabilities and enjoy the cost and flexibility advantages of an IP-based system well into the future. Operators choosin ...
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And as for better technology, GSM has WCDMA, HSDPA, and MIMO upgrades that do MUCH MORE than EV-DO considering they are VoIP technologies and EV-DO is data only. Those upgrades will drastically increase cell capacity and improve call quality. Verizon will be finding themselves at a dead end soon after EV-DO rev. A or maybe in the future EV-DV. How is CDMA so much better?
Umm... isn't there a revision to EV-DO that supports VoIP? đ
"Support for VoIP Services
Operators implementing Rev. A throughout their network will be able to take advantage of wireless IP-based capabilities and enjoy the cost and flexibility advantages of an IP-based syste
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hey this is for you and that "ruff" person.
http://www.qualcomm.com/technology/1xev-do/revA.html »
"The additional QoS support provided by the Rev. A physical layer significantly reduces latency and improves performance of delay-sensitive applications such as push to chat, instant messaging full multimedia content and voice over Internet protocol (VoIP)."
http://www.qualcomm.com/technology/1xev-do/revA.html »
"The additional QoS support provided by the Rev. A physical layer significantly reduces latency and improves performance of delay-sensitive applications such as push to chat, instant messaging full multimedia content and voice over Internet protocol (VoIP)."
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jake, this is for you too...
http://www.qualcomm.com/technology/1xev-do/ip.html »
Operators will continue to benefit from the economies of scale and high-volume cost curves that take advantage of IP network elements and distributed network architectures. The ability to offer VoIP services over Rev. A networks will profoundly enhance operators' services and application offerings. VoIP service offerings will enable a variety of bundled or converged services and applications such as simultaneous voice and data services.
http://www.qualcomm.com/technology/1xev-do/ip.html »
Operators will continue to benefit from the economies of scale and high-volume cost curves that take advantage of IP network elements and distributed network architectures. The ability to offer VoIP services over Rev. A networks will profoundly enhance operators' services and application offerings. VoIP service offerings will enable a variety of bundled or converged services and applications such as simultaneous voice and data services.
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nextel18 said:
jake, this is for you too...
http://www.qualcomm.com/technology/1xev-do/ip.html »
Operators will continue to benefit from the economies of scale and high-volume cost curves that take advantage of IP network elements and distributed network architectures. The ability to offer VoIP services over Rev. A networks will profoundly enhance operators' services and application offerings. VoIP service offerings will enable a variety of bundled or converged services and applications such as simultaneous voice and data services.
You go, Post Boy!
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Uhmm... Nexty... that's pretty close to exactly what I already posted... but thanks for the 'heads up' anyway, I guess...
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yea and that was from the qualcomm site so you know that they are 100 percent real becuase they are the starters of cdma as well as with ev-do... and thats not recent so people should have known anyway.
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thanks for bringing that up.. i was going to also becuase i saw that as well. hmm we might be mis-reading everything. lol oh well.
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an oaf? hahah you sound like an idiot.
"So $6 billion in GSM is going to go A LOT FURTHER than $6 billion in CDMA."
hahahah. i dont think so.
by the way WCDMA is Wideband CDMA.. hmm thats off of CDMA sorta. (http://www.cdmatech.com/solutions/wcdma_umts _3g_solutions.jsp) GSM isnt good vs CDMA with data speeds as well as with voice capacity so they have to do WCDMa/umts/hsdpa and MIMO. the problem is, no one knows if those speeds that cingular is claiming will be that fast. everyone thought that verizon's DO system would be fast, however, verizon is only saying 300-600kb/s.
"Those upgrades will drastically increase cell capacity and improve call quality."
is this proven? if so supply a link for me.
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"So $6 billion in GSM is going to go A LOT FURTHER than $6 billion in CDMA."
hahahah. i dont think so.
by the way WCDMA is Wideband CDMA.. hmm thats off of CDMA sorta. (http://www.cdmatech.com/solutions/wcdma_umts _3g_solutions.jsp) GSM isnt good vs CDMA with data speeds as well as with voice capacity so they have to do WCDMa/umts/hsdpa and MIMO. the problem is, no one knows if those speeds that cingular is claiming will be that fast. everyone thought that verizon's DO system would be fast, however, verizon is only saying 300-600kb/s.
"Those upgrades will drastically increase cell capacity and improve call quality."
is this proven? if so supply a link for me.
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Don't even get me started on the "WCDMA is like CDMA" subject. WCDMA and CDMA are entirely different technologies. WCDMA is based off of the core GSM technology, but utilizes the same coded-air interface of CDMA. Still, two entirely different technologies.
About WCDMA drastically increasing cell capacity and call quality, you can find those links for yourself on this site, howstuffworks.com, etc. Its out there, I've read it, I'm not wasting my time looking it up for you. Besides, its late. If you didn't know, a coded-air interface splits bandwidth up into many more channels than other air interfaces, thus, increasing cell capacity.
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About WCDMA drastically increasing cell capacity and call quality, you can find those links for yourself on this site, howstuffworks.com, etc. Its out there, I've read it, I'm not wasting my time looking it up for you. Besides, its late. If you didn't know, a coded-air interface splits bandwidth up into many more channels than other air interfaces, thus, increasing cell capacity.
And the comment about Verizon using Flarion or Wimax. What a pointless comment. When I said that ...
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"If Verizon is going to have to take that path, they will have met the dead end with CDMA... Cingular could easily choose to use Flarion or Wimax also."
but verizon could overlap their cdma network with flarion or wimax just like sprint/nextel will be doing. by the way cingular and verizon and others besides for nextel/sprint cant easily choose flarion or wimax becuase they dont have 2.5ghz or 3.5ghz spectrum yet. (only nextel does)
"You keep telling yourself that Sprint/Nextel will come from behind. They're going to have to pull off a miracle to catch up to Cingular or Verizon anytime soon. Good luck to you too."
yea, nextel/sprint will. better products, better arpu, churn is getting better, and other thigns like that. oh yea plus ...
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but verizon could overlap their cdma network with flarion or wimax just like sprint/nextel will be doing. by the way cingular and verizon and others besides for nextel/sprint cant easily choose flarion or wimax becuase they dont have 2.5ghz or 3.5ghz spectrum yet. (only nextel does)
"You keep telling yourself that Sprint/Nextel will come from behind. They're going to have to pull off a miracle to catch up to Cingular or Verizon anytime soon. Good luck to you too."
yea, nextel/sprint will. better products, better arpu, churn is getting better, and other thigns like that. oh yea plus ...
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Ha.
Sprint\Nextel will have to gain
3-5 years after the completion of CDMA is going to be 2011-2013.
And can you imagine the HEADACHES between the iDen and CDMA networks. People will be so confused as to why they can't use Sprint's network with their Nextel phone, and the...
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Sprint\Nextel will have to gain
- 15 MILLION
3-5 years after the completion of CDMA is going to be 2011-2013.
And can you imagine the HEADACHES between the iDen and CDMA networks. People will be so confused as to why they can't use Sprint's network with their Nextel phone, and the...
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with nextel/sprint's differentiated products and with wimax/flarion they could take that number 1 top spot in about 5 or so years.
"3-5 years after the completion of CDMA is going to be 2011-2013."
well they will start migrating in the 2007-2008 time frame so its. 2010-2013, but thats ok.
"And can you imagine the HEADACHES between the iDen and CDMA networks. People will be so confused as to why they can't use Sprint's network with their Nextel phone, and the other way around, that people will get fed up and leave. I'll give you 2013 until you have a fighting chance at #2."
there wont be any headaches as you think there will be becuase nextel just got contigious spectrum so that will be very easy to change it to CDMA. infact h...
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"3-5 years after the completion of CDMA is going to be 2011-2013."
well they will start migrating in the 2007-2008 time frame so its. 2010-2013, but thats ok.
"And can you imagine the HEADACHES between the iDen and CDMA networks. People will be so confused as to why they can't use Sprint's network with their Nextel phone, and the other way around, that people will get fed up and leave. I'll give you 2013 until you have a fighting chance at #2."
there wont be any headaches as you think there will be becuase nextel just got contigious spectrum so that will be very easy to change it to CDMA. infact h...
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So what are they going to do, just hand out new CDMA phones to every single customer like its candy? I doubt it. Even so, they (Nextel) aren't going to be able to create an entirely new network just out of thin air. Spectrum is one of MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY things needed in completing a new network. Plus, converting all those iDen towers over to CDMA technology is going to cost an AWFUL LOT of money, considering the two technologies are totally different. Towers will have to be relocated and what-not also. Don't kid yourself and make it sound like this is going to be done over one night.
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"So what are they going to do, just hand out new CDMA phones to every single customer like its candy? I doubt it. Even so, they (Nextel) aren't going to be able to create an entirely new network just out of thin air."
again, it wont be very easy, but it will be done. convert some of their iden towers to cdma, convert some of their 800mhz spectrum to cdma as well as their 1.9ghz spectrum.
" Plus, converting all those iDen towers over to CDMA technology is going to cost an AWFUL LOT of money, considering the two technologies are totally different."
yea, so what? thats life of a merger. they will save on other things anyway so it will be better. as long as you have contigious spectrum it can be changed into any network like gsm, ide...
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again, it wont be very easy, but it will be done. convert some of their iden towers to cdma, convert some of their 800mhz spectrum to cdma as well as their 1.9ghz spectrum.
" Plus, converting all those iDen towers over to CDMA technology is going to cost an AWFUL LOT of money, considering the two technologies are totally different."
yea, so what? thats life of a merger. they will save on other things anyway so it will be better. as long as you have contigious spectrum it can be changed into any network like gsm, ide...
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"GSM has WCDMA, HSDPA, and MIMO upgrades that do MUCH MORE than EV-DO considering they are VoIP technologies and EV-DO is data only."
your wrong. VOIP can be over the DO REV A network. look at our posts....
or go here
http://www.qualcomm.com/technology/1xev-do/ip.html »
http://www.qualcomm.com/technology/1xev-do/revA.html »
good luck to you.
your wrong. VOIP can be over the DO REV A network. look at our posts....
or go here
http://www.qualcomm.com/technology/1xev-do/ip.html »
http://www.qualcomm.com/technology/1xev-do/revA.html »
good luck to you.
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Verizon has EV-DO in about 30 mile patches in about 20 cities in the U.S. The remainder of their network is comprised of much of the same thing...2G data and when you get online, it will use your minutes.
Cingular has a large and growing 2.5G network. Lets talk about the facts.
Cingular has a large and growing 2.5G network. Lets talk about the facts.
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but they will soon have nationwide network of EV-DO. funny thing is you think 2.5g is not faster then 3g. becuase you said that cingular has better technology.
ok talk about the facts. 3g is better then 2.5g. ev-do is better the whatever cingular/att wireless has. (grps/edge)
ok talk about the facts. 3g is better then 2.5g. ev-do is better the whatever cingular/att wireless has. (grps/edge)
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I agree with everyone else: it's too early. The first quarter hasn't even passed yet. And where's your statistical proof? Does it explain how they tabulated the claim of gain? Does it say whether Cingular counted BOTH the customer gain from AT&T AND those blue who turned orange? Or is it simply new customers? (Does Cingular count blue migrations as new signups for the purpose of churn?)
I think if you're going to walk into a room saying, "It's official: Eating nothing but junk food makes you lose weight, gain self-esteem, and gets all the hot chicks," you should bring the proof with you, else the bullshit card's in play.
I think if you're going to walk into a room saying, "It's official: Eating nothing but junk food makes you lose weight, gain self-esteem, and gets all the hot chicks," you should bring the proof with you, else the bullshit card's in play.
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you should read on their quart numbers. i just took it from last years numbers becuase obviously we cant for this year and the upcoming first quarter results.
do some reading and look at the 10k's as well as quartly reports.. i just took a hypothetical what they got last year.
do some reading and look at the 10k's as well as quartly reports.. i just took a hypothetical what they got last year.
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so what does customers have to do with having a better network than everyone else out there? đ
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usually customers want to have a great coverage network then a great phone that doesnt work that well.
as of right now and the figures that i saw from 2004 it shows that cingular will be laging, however, like the other person said... if people see that cingular is not as good as what they advertise people will start going to verizon.
as of right now and the figures that i saw from 2004 it shows that cingular will be laging, however, like the other person said... if people see that cingular is not as good as what they advertise people will start going to verizon.
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Let's see here...
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.pl?A ... »
... states that Cingular Wireless now has 50 million costumers, growth from 47 million at October 1st. From the looks of their press release, they fail to state whether the growth included the addition of AT&T Wireless customers migrating to Cingular Wireless, especially in divested markets... It seems more to be a partialed advertisement of their own awesomeness than an actual unbiased news brief (this is coming from their webpage, afterall).
Sadly, though, I can't find just raw data. It all seems that whatever I look for is already analyzed and for consumer cunsumption.
Ahhh.....
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http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.pl?A ... »
... states that Cingular Wireless now has 50 million costumers, growth from 47 million at October 1st. From the looks of their press release, they fail to state whether the growth included the addition of AT&T Wireless customers migrating to Cingular Wireless, especially in divested markets... It seems more to be a partialed advertisement of their own awesomeness than an actual unbiased news brief (this is coming from their webpage, afterall).
Sadly, though, I can't find just raw data. It all seems that whatever I look for is already analyzed and for consumer cunsumption.
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Anyone look at big picture here???? If Cingular just hit 50 million customers with 2 weeks left in the first quarter then there is a problem!!!! Cingular added 1.8 million customers last quarter and ended with 49.1 million customers, if you do the math that means that they have only added 900,000 this quarter with 2 weeks left in the quarter, hmmm. Not it would suck if Verizon actually adds more in the first quarter and closes the gap now wouldn't it, you Stinkular zealots will have nothing to brag about if the mighty VZW starts closing the gap. đ đ đ
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thats true. i aint sticking up for cingular, but i just think they will remain number 1 for this year and thats it since cingular doesnt have any high speed data like DO and Vcast. we will see though.. we will make further projections after the 1st quarter numbers are released..... (my view is that i think and hope verizon will be number 1 again. ) we will see.
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Who said Cingular JUST hit 50 million customers? That information could have been withheld or delayed for several weeks before it became common knowledge. Also, let's not forget that even if they did hit 50 million, say, a week ago, then exactly 50 million is an old number.
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Get a clue RUFFY!!! You actually think that they would have hit that mark a month ago and waited to brag to the whole world that they were the first to hit 50 million until last week?? There are a couple weeks left and they are under a million net subscriber additions so it isn't looking like they will Smoke the rest of the industry like people are saying.
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Considering Ruff is my actual name, I like to keep it that way.
And, well, you really are an asshole, whether I'm sensitive or not.
And, well, you really are an asshole, whether I'm sensitive or not.
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You are the one talking crap in the VZW forum, what happened RUFFY, did the Cingular forum get boring?
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Yo, Damn in feels good to be a pranksta, haha. I've been busy and haven't been in here for a while but I see that morons are still in here talking smack as usual, haha.
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hahahha. i have been busy too with school and other developments. since i am sick, i have some time, well the whole day lol to post to some people about differnt topics.. I HATE BEING SICK!!!
hows DO?
did you test VCAST yet?
hows DO?
did you test VCAST yet?
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No Vcast, I think I'll wait until the Moto E815 comes out. I don't like buying crap from foreign companies.
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motorola isn't a foreign comapny? (LG is a better CDMA company that motorola.)
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yea, thats true. i tested out vcast and it wasnt as good as i thought it would be, probably mainly becuase of the high latency with DO REV O and lack of alot of content. but for 15 bucks its pretty well worth it i think. if verizon goes to REV A, which they will have to spend more and more, and then more content becomes available i think vcast will be a success.
watch out for qcom's mediflo though.. i have been getting great reviews as well as a lot of vendors have been signing up.. should be an interesting TV and high speed data war soon.
watch out for qcom's mediflo though.. i have been getting great reviews as well as a lot of vendors have been signing up.. should be an interesting TV and high speed data war soon.
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Talking crap? Uh, I recall saying something along the lines of "Cingular obtaining 50+ million customers could very well have been withheld for a few weeks..."
Hardly talking crap. I like to call it, defending the crap that is being-spoken.
Hardly talking crap. I like to call it, defending the crap that is being-spoken.
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Hey brainiac, people are posting crap in here not Cingualr, go home and talk about how cool Jack and raising the bar are. 50 million won't mean crap if Verizon is gaining on Cingular. When Cingular formed their original merger everyone talked crap about how they were going to smoke Verizon and it didn't happen until they Spent over 40 Billion to buy ATT last year. I would hate to see Verizon gain ground and be number one again after Cingular paid too much for a failing ATT, that would make Stan Sigman and Ed Whitacre look like idiots.
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Its really sad that you have to lash out at somebody who made a simple statement that was IN NO WAY directed or intended to bash Verizon. I have no problem with Verizon, I used to use them.
Really, you have a problem. I don't care if Verizon is gaining on Cingular or not. One simple statement and you go off like a bear trap. Honestly, get some help. đ
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i think you all need to step back and ask your self "is this really that important?" think about what you're doing . . . arguing on the internet. đ
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yea, its important. we are having a debate đ its fun. i am sick anyway so i cant go out âšī¸
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i do, but i cant. lol
anyway, the reason for having a debate about verizon and every other provider is becuase this is competition. i like to talk about the competition between one provider to the other becuase that is what is fun about it. what products can they come up with? who will beat out who? who will sustain growth? what new markets? who to target for buying out? etc...
thats fun.
anyway, the reason for having a debate about verizon and every other provider is becuase this is competition. i like to talk about the competition between one provider to the other becuase that is what is fun about it. what products can they come up with? who will beat out who? who will sustain growth? what new markets? who to target for buying out? etc...
thats fun.
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you guys seem to get so worked up about these things. just chill. every carrier has their ups and downs.
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I'm going out drinking but it's only 6pm and I'm trying to keep my drinking to a minimum.
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i will probably end up drinking tonight for the third night in a row. GO LIVER!!! it is only 4 pm here. âšī¸
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Yeah, I didn't get much work done on Friday since I was out celebrating my heritage and last night wasn't much better and tonight we are going to an Irish restaurant for dinner which means at least 4 or 5 pints of Guiness before we go out to the bar. My Liver is 32 going on 132.
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no i am not worked up what-so-ever. i am just having a friendly debate and if they want to start with name calling, becuase they have i will do name calling too.
i want to compare becuase i gave my reasons and they gave theirs. some of those reasons were reasons with not sound opinions, but mine where. (you can see that evidence)
i want to compare becuase i gave my reasons and they gave theirs. some of those reasons were reasons with not sound opinions, but mine where. (you can see that evidence)
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hahahah. not if you guys are all dudes.. sorry hahahahahah i dont swing that way lol...
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Wait until Sprintel and Verizon pass Cingular in total customers, hahaha.
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yea, i know. that will happen though.. cingular/att wireless has nothing good to offer.
hey what if alltel passes tmobile lol, now that will be funny.
hey what if alltel passes tmobile lol, now that will be funny.
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I hate to say it but Alltel doesn't have coverage in areas that will allow for much growth. I have used their network all over the Midwest and they could be pumping more into their network.
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"I hate to say it but Alltel doesn't have coverage in areas that will allow for much growth." do you know that for a fact?
you should look at the merger PDF becuase it says some very interesting facts that could help you change your mind...
you should look at the merger PDF becuase it says some very interesting facts that could help you change your mind...
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bigdaddyjay said:
Anyone look at big picture here???? If Cingular just hit 50 million customers with 2 weeks left in the first quarter then there is a problem!!!! Cingular added 1.8 million customers last quarter and ended with 49.1 million customers, if you do the math that means that they have only added 900,000 this quarter with 2 weeks left in the quarter, hmmm. Not it would suck if Verizon actually adds more in the first quarter and closes the gap now wouldn't it, you Stinkular zealots will have nothing to brag about if the mighty VZW starts closing the gap. đ đ đ
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I guess he was meaning to post the topic "VZW won't be #1 as predicted, I predict"
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This is what happens when a bunch of brainwashed Cingular employees bring their Simpleton way of thinking into another carriers forum.
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I think you are all a bunch of STUPID babies. Neither of you work for Verizon or Cingular, and when I mean work I mean CEO status. So what is it to you that the company you have service through is not number 1? As long as you have service you should be happy. I have never seen a bunch of people act so stupid over a cell phone carrier. When I was with Sprint, I never said they was the best never even tried to sell them. Moved to Nextel, I loved my nextel phone but why try to sell that to a customer if it does not fit their needs and wallets. Now Im with Alltel, Im very happy and pleased. All my friends have Verizon so they can all have the "in network" crap. That name is so funny and I laugh at them all the time. I currently have the 710 w/ a...
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^ dont mean all in general just those ppl who really are into bashing another company.
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you know, if for no other reason than to start the next drama war, why do people come into these forums and say stuff like that just off the bat?
At least when I was 12 my mom let me play with guns and homemade bombs for entertainment and always made sure playtime was outside...what's happened these days...tsk, tsk, tsk...
At least when I was 12 my mom let me play with guns and homemade bombs for entertainment and always made sure playtime was outside...what's happened these days...tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Leaving the house is way too much physical strain for the current generation...
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bizkitsngravy said:Ah, the days of Mothers letting their children play with high explosives...where has the time truly gone? MeMMmoOOrrrieeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssss.
you know, if for no other reason than to start the next drama war, why do people come into these forums and say stuff like that just off the bat?
At least when I was 12 my mom let me play with guns and homemade bombs for entertainment and always made sure playtime was outside...what's happened these days...tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Old new.......s I predicted this right here a year ago.
I love it......
CANY YOU HEAR ME NOW VERIZON FAN BOYS?
I love it......
CANY YOU HEAR ME NOW VERIZON FAN BOYS?
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Considering you have only been a member since June 7, 2004, thats hard to believe...
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shadedpain4 said:Something hard to believe out of Frogtard's mouth? NO! It's all supposition.
Considering you have only been a member since June 7, 2004, thats hard to believe...
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Im still trying to figure out what he predicted.
He predicted that another member would post a prediction saying that Verizon Wireless would still not be number one at the end of 2005, but state it as if it were a fact?
He predicted that another member would post a prediction saying that Verizon Wireless would still not be number one at the end of 2005, but state it as if it were a fact?
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kingfrog77 said:No. We can't. Come a little closer so I can punch you in the sternum.
Old new.......s I predicted this right here a year ago.
I love it......
CANY YOU HEAR ME NOW VERIZON FAN BOYS?
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muchdrama said:kingfrog77 said:No. We can't. Come a little closer so I can punch you in the sternum.
Old new.......s I predicted this right here a year ago.
I love it......
CANY YOU HEAR ME NOW VERIZON FAN BOYS?
ROFLMAO! Can I punch him in the sternum too? Or should we all just form a line? đ
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People thought VZW would be on top by the end of 2005. Guess NOT! I'd like to see all the executive scratching their heads and running aroung thinking about ways to make customers look their way again.
Look - I don't know if you're a Cingular user, or a T-mobile user or what. I am a Cingular user myself, and I don't like it when Verizon customers/employees try to stir crap in the Cingular forum. Regardless of who your carrier of choice is, you have no business coming into the VZW forum & stirring crap like this. đĄ
PLEASE - don't be so obnoxious. Do onto others as you would have them do unto you!
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Disciple247365 said:BeachSlapped said:
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People thought VZW would be on top by the end of 2005. Guess NOT! I'd like to see all the executive scratching their heads and running aroung thinking about ways to make customers look their way again.
Look - I don't know if you're a Cingular user, or a T-mobile user or what. I am a Cingular user myself, and I don't like it when Verizon customers/employees try to stir crap in the Cingular forum. Regardless of who your carrier of choice is, you have no business coming into the VZW forum & stirring crap like this. đĄ
PLEASE - don't be so obnoxious. Do onto others as you would have them do unto you!
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I rarely post but just have to say this. Every time I read something this frog person writes I almost feel embarrassed for him. I know Cingular would have to be embarrassed if only they knew of the representation he is presenting on their behalf.
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TenuredVZWrep said:
I rarely post but just have to say this. Every time I read something this frog person writes I almost feel embarrassed for him. I know Cingular would have to be embarrassed if only they knew of the representation he is presenting on their behalf.
I am. He has the Cingular concept all swirled around in his head.
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tadams said:TenuredVZWrep said:
I rarely post but just have to say this. Every time I read something this frog person writes I almost feel embarrassed for him. I know Cingular would have to be embarrassed if only they knew of the representation he is presenting on their behalf.
I am. He has the Cingular concept all swirled around in his head.
You have it all wrong. Im not pro Cingular at all....Im anti Verizon. Its just that Cingular is their most formidable competition...I don't care if its T Mobile, Nectel, or Sprint that damages their bottom line...So dont fret I do not "represent" Cingular at all. I dont even post rah rahs in their forum....
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Come on King Frong I am a cingular rep and lets play nice. The new Cingular is giving Verizon a heck of an opponent.
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The wild card that is not being discussed is Verizon's purchase of the Qwest licenses, which will open up new markets in 14 states and the recent purchase of some Leap Wireless properties which will open up additional markets. Verizon has not yet turned on any of those properties yet and when they do you will see an exodus from some of the mom and pop carriers who can't offer what a nationwide carrier can. The Southern and Eastern Oregon properties will come on line sometime in May or June with the others to follow. We have about 5-10 inquiries about when Verizon will be in our market each day.
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look folks, we're all for some friendly, even heated discussion here. there's some great debate waging in this thread, but then there also huge long drifts into insults and name calling. this isn't fox news, we don't attack people here for lack of any better argument. that being said you are certainly more than welcome to criticize their arguments and make some of your own.
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eric Lin said:
look folks, we're all for some friendly, even heated discussion here. there's some great debate waging in this thread, but then there also huge long drifts into insults and name calling. this isn't fox news, we don't attack people here for lack of any better argument. that being said you are certainly more than welcome to criticize their arguments and make some of your own.
i already dislike you.
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Fox is at least a fair and balanced network, I think we have a staunch Democrat with this erin Lin.
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bigdaddyjay said:LOL! FOX is fair and balanced? Just like the budget right? Give us all a break.
Fox is at least a fair and balanced network, I think we have a staunch Democrat with this erin Lin.
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muchdrama said:bigdaddyjay said:LOL! FOX is fair and balanced? Just like the budget right? Give us all a break.
Fox is at least a fair and balanced network, I think we have a staunch Democrat with this erin Lin.
Fox's idea of "Fair and Balanced" is being so extreme to the right that they "balance out" every liberal form of media in the entire USA.
A really big clue is when the normal anchor guys make political stabs at the "opposition".
I'm not talking about the Oreilly's and Hannity's.. I'm talking about the "straight anchor man" (ie Fox news live)who is supposed to keep his opinion to himself and report the NEWS.
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PhoenixAshes said:...muchdrama said:bigdaddyjay said:LOL! FOX is fair and balanced? Just like the budget right? Give us all a break.
Fox is at least a fair and balanced network, I think we have a staunch Democrat with this erin Lin.
Fox's idea of "Fair and Balanced" is being so extreme to the right that they "balance out" every liberal form of media in the entire USA.
A really big clue is when the normal anchor guys make political stabs at the "opposition".
I'm not talking about the Oreilly's and Hannity's.. I'm talking about the "straight anchor man" (ie Fox news live)who is supposed to keep his opinion to himself and report the NEWS.
The only per
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The funny thing is that Fox is kicking MSNBC and CNN in the nuts. Hate Fox all you want but they are building a huge fan base and they did help to keep W in office instead of El Meurto. Republican by Nature not that I hatecha.
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bigdaddyjay said:When newscasters editorialize instead of giving me the straight dope, I'm outta there.
The funny thing is that Fox is kicking MSNBC and CNN in the nuts. Hate Fox all you want but they are building a huge fan base and they did help to keep W in office instead of El Meurto. Republican by Nature not that I hatecha.
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The mainstream media in this country does it all the time. Fox just happens to do it on the right.
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SPCSVZWJeff said:I do make a concerted effort to get my news from a source that doesn't editorialize. They're out there.
The mainstream media in this country does it all the time. Fox just happens to do it on the right.
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PhoenixAshes said:
Fox's idea of "Fair and Balanced" is being so extreme to the right that they "balance out" every liberal form of media in the entire USA.
A really big clue is when the normal anchor guys make political stabs at the "opposition".
I'm not talking about the Oreilly's and Hannity's.. I'm talking about the "straight anchor man" (ie Fox news live)who is supposed to keep his opinion to himself and report the NEWS.
The only person at Fox who voted for John Kerry was Alan Colmes... yeah, fair and balanced. đ¤Ŗ
That being said... I watch fox news often. Just to get an idea of how the nut jobs on the right are trying to screw the common man.
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Hahahahaha, do you know in England and Europe we compare Bush and Rumsfeld to Hitler and Goering, with Bush being just as crazy, just without the excuse of having untreated syphilis.
Of course we don't get the censored, PC correct news americans get. While I do live here, thank god comcast carries the BBC.
Of course we don't get the censored, PC correct news americans get. While I do live here, thank god comcast carries the BBC.
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Grantizzle said:
i already dislike you.
What? Why? đ
Eric is just saying cool it with the name-calling and disrespect, which is site policy anyway.
FYI, Eric is also a moderator here.
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I agree sir. People shouldn't be calling other people names and defaming someone's character.
It is stupid, immature, and against TOS guidelines.
It is stupid, immature, and against TOS guidelines.
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This coming from someone who really enjoys the double standards that he operates on. I have been reported for calling him (nextel1đ names, however, it is perfecty OK for him to call me immature and insult my fiancee.
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Your fiancee is under attack?? That is uncalled for, that is unless your fiancee is muchdrama.
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No, there have been comments made by nextel that are directed solely at my fiancee....and she is NOT a member of the site.
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Not 2 cool of a move. Does she think you are an idiot for arguing in this site like my wife does? hahaha What did he say about your fiancee? I only believe in attacking those that bring it on and deserve it, maybe she could sign on and start challenging him.
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Oh, I deserve him insulting me, as I have done it to him. But it is immature, if you ask me, to bring someone's family into the argument.
She is ok with me arguing on this site for now, but we are not married yet. I am sure that will change after the wedding.
He has said some stupid things about her.... implying that she would be stupid for being with an idiot like me....calling her derragatory names....etc....
I contacted the moderator and had them removed. I figure if he is going to report me for proving him wrong in certain situations and calling him names, I should definately have the posts removed that attack her.
She is ok with me arguing on this site for now, but we are not married yet. I am sure that will change after the wedding.
He has said some stupid things about her.... implying that she would be stupid for being with an idiot like me....calling her derragatory names....etc....
I contacted the moderator and had them removed. I figure if he is going to report me for proving him wrong in certain situations and calling him names, I should definately have the posts removed that attack her.
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Well at least you go to bed with the one you love while he dreams alone đ˛
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i never attacked his fiancee. i said told him to just spend more time with her then being online.
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That is pure BS and you know it.
If you didn't attack her, why is that part of the thread removed??? Huh??? Huh???? I wish I wouldn't have had it removed. Then I would have the proof of what you said. You are simply a heartless, senseless individual.
You want everyone to think that you are this little innocent person that doesn't deserve the ripping we give you, but that is pure crap. You provoke everything you get.
If you didn't attack her, why is that part of the thread removed??? Huh??? Huh???? I wish I wouldn't have had it removed. Then I would have the proof of what you said. You are simply a heartless, senseless individual.
You want everyone to think that you are this little innocent person that doesn't deserve the ripping we give you, but that is pure crap. You provoke everything you get.
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oo swearing. nice. and saying "whatever" nice. another stupid statment. go you!!! by the way, you said you were done talking to me.. this time keep your word. or you would have lied 3 times so far.
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I'm nothing but a big fat liar....I already knew this. Thanks for defaming my character now.
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you are one. you said that you would stop talking about me and that you were done with me. then you didnt. that equals a liar. you did that twice or 3 times already. thus; liar.
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Thank You....I take great pride in that. Thanks again for pointing out my wonderful qualities while defaming my character at the same time. Hypocrite.
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i never attacked her. i said that YOU SHOULD GO OUT WITH HER. how is that attacking?
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bigdaddyjay said:Now THAT would be awesome!
Not 2 cool of a move. Does she think you are an idiot for arguing in this site like my wife does? hahaha What did he say about your fiancee? I only believe in attacking those that bring it on and deserve it, maybe she could sign on and start challenging him.
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bigdaddyjay said:Yay! Now it's gay bashing. First Nextel insults females everywhere by saying I aruge like a girl...then his partner in crime assumes I'm gay. Well you know? I AM gay. I'm very happy and gay. Woo!
Your fiancee is under attack?? That is uncalled for, that is unless your fiancee is muchdrama.
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Gat bashing??? Quit starting crap Drama, you are the one with a serious testoterone challenged name but I never bashed anyone's sexual preference. Get a clue troller.
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he thinks you insulted his sexual preference? hahahahahahahah. now thats funny.
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Muchdrama's been on here for 2 years and you are calling him a troll? đ đ¤Ŗ
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Two years? I still haven't seen any knowledge from him, he sits around and preaches whatever his Idol says.
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i wasnt insulting your fiancee. i was saying spend time with her and get off online.
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You can get away with saying that now since I had the thread removed. You are really making me wish I would not have had it removed. That way the people on this site could really see that you have absolutely NO respect for other people and the sanctity of family.
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SForsyth01 said:Don't worry. Anybody that matters on this particular forum saw it. I certainly did.
You can get away with saying that now since I had the thread removed. You are really making me wish I would not have had it removed. That way the people on this site could really see that you have absolutely NO respect for other people and the sanctity of family.
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SForsyth01 said:Don't sweat it. Rich removed it after he saw it.
Yeah, and he is denying it all over the place.
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Yeah...I know. That is cause I reported it.
It just aggrivates me. I never brought his family into it. I just told him that he was an idiot. So why bring mine into it???
It just aggrivates me. I never brought his family into it. I just told him that he was an idiot. So why bring mine into it???
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hahahah.. dude seriously now. i didnt say anything like that about your fiancee nor would i. i really feel bad for you. since you dont have any proof of that post you are just out of luck my friend. i look at proof, since you have any i wont belive you sorry.
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The people who actually matter on this website saw it....that is all that matters.
Things are very easy to deny once the moderator removes them.
You don't look at anything except what you want to see. And you can't even see that properly.
The people that actually matter know what was said, and know that I have much more credibility than you do, so I have no worries. I just can't believe that anyone would stoop that low. But I should have expected it from you.
Things are very easy to deny once the moderator removes them.
You don't look at anything except what you want to see. And you can't even see that properly.
The people that actually matter know what was said, and know that I have much more credibility than you do, so I have no worries. I just can't believe that anyone would stoop that low. But I should have expected it from you.
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who saw it? no one saw it. your are making up things as you go along. stoop that low? hahahahah you are the one who was defaming my character and now lying about me insulting or "degrading" your financee. come on stop dreaming already.
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sure yea did. you didnt see anything. all i said was that him and his fiancee should go out more instead of arguing with me.
sorry, i knwo you didnt see anything.
if you did please post it.
sorry, i knwo you didnt see anything.
if you did please post it.
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ok. it would for me too if it was true, but it is not. anyway he defamed my character and slandered my name, and he thinks i am stooping low. (i didnt do it anyway so thats ok)
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sorry, sir. i wouldnt talk about someone's financee like that, especially if people are defaming my character and slandering my name and making fun of me like you have been and sort of still is. i dont do that thing, sorry. i dont stoop to that low level after someone does those things to me. sorry, i just am not like that. so i will continue to deny those rumors, becuase i didnt say anything sorry.
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Slander is only slander if it is not true....everything I have said has been proven to be true (which you have done yourself).
The defamation of character was done by yourself by you being an obsessive cry-baby!!!!
WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! Now go tell on me like all little wimpy boys do.
The defamation of character was done by yourself by you being an obsessive cry-baby!!!!
WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! Now go tell on me like all little wimpy boys do.
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aww. you have so much stress sir, you also lie alot. you said that you are done talking to me, guess that didnt happen yet. you said that actually many a times including today.
shame on you. keep your word already.
shame on you. keep your word already.
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I have already told you that I am nothing but a big liar. I knew this. You didn't have to tell me that. But Thank You anyway, so kind of you.
Now who is defaming whose character...hmmmm....
Now who is defaming whose character...hmmmm....
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you are welcome sir.
but you said earlier if its true then its not slander nor defaming a character. hmmmmm
but you said earlier if its true then its not slander nor defaming a character. hmmmmm
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GO AWAY!!!!
I have tried not posting anything, and you continually speak ill of me. I have tried combating you, which was worthless because you don't listen. And I have tried agreeing with you, and yet you still won't shut up.
What does it take?
I have tried not posting anything, and you continually speak ill of me. I have tried combating you, which was worthless because you don't listen. And I have tried agreeing with you, and yet you still won't shut up.
What does it take?
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Fine. OCD.
I won't speak TO you.
But, as I previously stated, this is a free country, and the first amendment entitles me to speak of whatever I want to speak about.
OCD
I won't speak TO you.
But, as I previously stated, this is a free country, and the first amendment entitles me to speak of whatever I want to speak about.
OCD
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wow you are very immature by keep saying OCD. it could be a free country, but what you are saying vs the TOS rules you are violating them.
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nextel18 said:OMG! Enough with the damn "defamation of character and slander". You don't even know what the hell either word means!
who saw it? no one saw it. your are making up things as you go along. stoop that low? hahahahah you are the one who was defaming my character and now lying about me insulting or "degrading" your financee. come on stop dreaming already.
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nextel18 said:You know what? Why don't you just shut the hell up about his fiancee at all? Don't even mention her or the word fiancee? That would be great...and probably prevent S showing up on your door step deranged.
hahahah.. dude seriously now. i didnt say anything like that about your fiancee nor would i. i really feel bad for you. since you dont have any proof of that post you are just out of luck my friend. i look at proof, since you have any i wont belive you sorry.
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ooo getting testy are we? oo another threat? very nice. so far you have threatened me twice. show your maturity, so far you havnt.
MUCH DRAMA TO THE RESCUE!!!!!! look out below!!! hahaha.
MUCH DRAMA TO THE RESCUE!!!!!! look out below!!! hahaha.
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nextel18 said:Uh, did I just read this right? LOL. S...you should be getting off with your fiancee online immediately.
i wasnt insulting your fiancee. i was saying spend time with her and get off online.
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Rich Brome said:Grantizzle said:
i already dislike you.
What? Why? đ
Eric is just saying cool it with the name-calling and disrespect, which is site policy anyway.
FYI, Eric is also a moderator here.
Grant might be a fan of Fox news, which Eric took a stab at.
See what happens when political correctness gets a strangle hold?
Everyone gets whiney and we have to walk on eggshells to avoid hurting anyone's feelings.
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I agree "Watch It!". Stop the bragging, the put downs, and the insults. People come here for help and information, NOT who thinks what company is the best.
I agree with Rich B. if it starts to get "stupid" start janking the threads off. Maybe they'll get the idea then.
I agree with Rich B. if it starts to get "stupid" start janking the threads off. Maybe they'll get the idea then.
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-- ya'll need to wait til ATT and CIN merge their billing systems -- Then the churn will rise more more more!
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barryefau said:
-- ya'll need to wait til ATT and CIN merge their billing systems -- Then the churn will rise more more more!
Seems there is always something thats gonna hurt Cingular...first the ATT buyout, then the technological issues....now the billing is gonna cause customers to leave in droves......
Your running out of reasons....and hope
Still liviing in the past....Will they ever learn? đ
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You know Froggy the consumers Union just came out and reported that Cingular had the highest rate of complaints last year and The New Cingular was up and running. You better hope that Cingular adds more customers than Verizon or you will be the laughing stock of this Forum, oops wait you already are. When you going to grow a set and post some net add predictions for the top 5 anyway??
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yea, i agree with you and bare. excuses after excuses from cingular and att wireless, especially on their forum. you dont hear nextel/sprint or verizon making excuses. shame on cingular/att wireless.
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kingfrog77 said:barryefau said:
-- ya'll need to wait til ATT and CIN merge their billing systems -- Then the churn will rise more more more!
Seems there is always something thats gonna hurt Cingular...first the ATT buyout, then the technological issues....now the billing is gonna cause customers to leave in droves......
Your running out of reasons....and hope
Still liviing in the past....Will they ever learn? đ
Will you ever fall off a cliff or get hit by a meteor? Anything will work really.
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