SPrint Nextel Merger?......Yikes Verizon must be......
crapping n thier boots......They are comming from all sides........
Party's over boys....
Party's over boys....
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I am actually waiting on this merger to finally complete itself. From the stuff I have been reading, its going to make sprint/nextel the 3rd largest company out there but have the largest coverage of any carrier covering x amount of people. Which will be pretty nice and then they will have EV-DO rev.A(I think thats what its called) and Q chat.
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yea REV A. and Qchat. remember the highest arpu, the best data applications and content. 45k nationwide sites, a lot of spectrum. 2.5ghz of mmds to do wimax or flarion. will be very interesting. plus boost mobile and virgin mobile with their boost mobile products....
all the best is ahead for nextel/sprint. i belive that verizon has a big company in nextel/sprint to pay attention to quite closely.
i am curious what verizon will do after REV O since they dont have and paid the option for REV A. they spent i belive 1-2 billion dollars on REV O, but they spent in an excess of 3-5 billion dollars plus on spectrum and they are still not done. no wonder why they are charging $80 bucks per month for DO REV O that isnt even that good.
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all the best is ahead for nextel/sprint. i belive that verizon has a big company in nextel/sprint to pay attention to quite closely.
i am curious what verizon will do after REV O since they dont have and paid the option for REV A. they spent i belive 1-2 billion dollars on REV O, but they spent in an excess of 3-5 billion dollars plus on spectrum and they are still not done. no wonder why they are charging $80 bucks per month for DO REV O that isnt even that good.
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VErizon is in a new little world....and the best thing is the ONLY way they can go is DOWN...less adds less ARPU, ...This is fun to watch....and am I the ONLY one who saw this comming last JUNE?
Looks like it.
Looks like it.
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yea, verizon spends money too much as well as for capex and they will pay for this overspending. their arpu isnt that great anyway, however, their sub growth is amazing. the problem is, soon as others will have higher speeds, their DO REV O will be no longer competitive and i think they will loose a lot of clients.
it is fun to watch. i dont think you are the only one who saw it since june or i hope not.
it is fun to watch. i dont think you are the only one who saw it since june or i hope not.
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Don't you and kingfrog ever get sick of trolling and spreading misinformation? I mean c'mon, get a life. Or at least a hobby.
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seems like you dont read the news. of course they spent 1-2 billion dollars for REV O and then they are spending billions of dollars for spectrum in the 1.9ghz spectrum for their DO service.
read up on it..
read up on it..
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Oh, I completely agree with you on what they have spent, the misinformation comment was more directed at kingfrog.
But what you forget about VZW is that they can spend all of this money and still turn a profit each quarter. Seems like a VERY financially stable company to me.
But what you forget about VZW is that they can spend all of this money and still turn a profit each quarter. Seems like a VERY financially stable company to me.
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đ aww SF is being nice to me now đ lol...
no, i didnt forget that verizon can spend its money and still have a great ROI. but the problem is, they do have $40 billion dollars or so in debt. it is kinda fascinating how a company that spends around 10-15 billion dollars per year, including verizon and verizon wireless, and they are still making money.
from 2001 they had $63 billion in debt and by the end of 2004 they have $39.3 billion dollars. they paid off debt last year of $6.1 billion dollars.
verizon's cash flow was about $21.8 billion dollars. truly amazing!
i belive since their wireless side is making most of the money, that they should 100 percent own verizon wireless and buy the other 45 percent from vodaphone.
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no, i didnt forget that verizon can spend its money and still have a great ROI. but the problem is, they do have $40 billion dollars or so in debt. it is kinda fascinating how a company that spends around 10-15 billion dollars per year, including verizon and verizon wireless, and they are still making money.
from 2001 they had $63 billion in debt and by the end of 2004 they have $39.3 billion dollars. they paid off debt last year of $6.1 billion dollars.
verizon's cash flow was about $21.8 billion dollars. truly amazing!
i belive since their wireless side is making most of the money, that they should 100 percent own verizon wireless and buy the other 45 percent from vodaphone.
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I'm nice to anyone when they are being rational and not completely ignoring logic and reason.
Anyway, when you are a company that MUST put most of the money you make back into the company in order to keep at the forefront of technology (or at least as close as possible), most of those investments are going to be of the capital form, meaning that there will always be an amount of debt that seems extraordinarily high to the average person. In all actuality, that is not that large of a debt figure for a company like Verizon. Most of that is capital investments that there are loans for on their books, and they have not defaulted on the payments. That shows major stability.
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Anyway, when you are a company that MUST put most of the money you make back into the company in order to keep at the forefront of technology (or at least as close as possible), most of those investments are going to be of the capital form, meaning that there will always be an amount of debt that seems extraordinarily high to the average person. In all actuality, that is not that large of a debt figure for a company like Verizon. Most of that is capital investments that there are loans for on their books, and they have not defaulted on the payments. That shows major stability.
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yea, thats true with all your poitns, however, with the vodaphone and verizon relationship with verizon wireless. if vodaphone options out their options verizon HAS TO pay them the money for vodaphone's stake! they HAVE TO!! verizon has no say.
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Yes, I am aware of that. That was a part of the initial merger between Bell Atlantic Mobile and Airtouch/Vodafone.
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exactly! it would be in the best interest, of my opinion, for verizon to get 100 percent ownership of vodaphone. why give some of the revenue to vodaphone isntead of taking it all for verizon?
vodaphone will then, in my opinion, need a usa wireless company and well, nextel/sprint is avaliable.
vodaphone will then, in my opinion, need a usa wireless company and well, nextel/sprint is avaliable.
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So now your motive comes out. You want Vodafone to back Sprint/Nextel instead of Verizon.
Verizon would be stupid to get out of that partnership. Vodafone is the world's largest (maybe second largest, I'm not 100% sure) wireless carrier. How would it possibly benefit Verizon to have them out of the picture. They front alot of the money for capital investment for VZW. That saves Verizon Corporation a ton of money.
Verizon would be stupid to get out of that partnership. Vodafone is the world's largest (maybe second largest, I'm not 100% sure) wireless carrier. How would it possibly benefit Verizon to have them out of the picture. They front alot of the money for capital investment for VZW. That saves Verizon Corporation a ton of money.
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SForsyth01 said:I think China Unicom is the world's largest carrier.
So now your motive comes out. You want Vodafone to back Sprint/Nextel instead of Verizon.
Verizon would be stupid to get out of that partnership. Vodafone is the world's largest (maybe second largest, I'm not 100% sure) wireless carrier. How would it possibly benefit Verizon to have them out of the picture. They front alot of the money for capital investment for VZW. That saves Verizon Corporation a ton of money.
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That may be true. I stated that I was not 100% sure of it. But I know Vodafone is up there with the largest. The last statistic I remember seeing was something like 145 million customers.
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Here is a link from the Vodafone website that states that they are the world's largest mobile community.
http://www.vodafone.com/section_article/0,3035,CATEG ... »
http://www.vodafone.com/section_article/0,3035,CATEG ... »
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SForsyth01 said:
Here is a link from the Vodafone website that states that they are the world's largest mobile community.
http://www.vodafone.com/section_article/0,3035,CATEG ... » wonder how they define "world's largest mobile community".
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Not sure. But if you go further into their website, it states that there is over 151 million wireless subscribers. I checked into China Unicom and it said that there is 91 million subscribers with them.
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bigdaddyjay said:By saying that Cingular and Verizon expanded by purchasing competitors? Yeah. That's really poor thinking. Thanks for stopping me.
You should stop thinking Drama, you are making an idiot of yourself.
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kingfrog77 said:
VErizon is in a new little world....and the best thing is the ONLY way they can go is DOWN...less adds less ARPU, ...This is fun to watch....
Gosh King, you seem to be always wrong. Verizon added 1.7 million customers last quarter... a very healthy add rate indeed. The current quarter should be even better, considering how hard they're pushing the Famiy Share 'add a line for 9.99' thing.
ARPU did drop very slightly... but less than half as much as Cingular's did. And VZW remains quite profitable. They're not doing bad at all, though I know you so do with they were.
Ah well... we can't always get what we wish for. đ
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BetterThanJake said:...kingfrog77 said:
VErizon is in a new little world....and the best thing is the ONLY way they can go is DOWN...less adds less ARPU, ...This is fun to watch....
Gosh King, you seem to be always wrong. Verizon added 1.7 million customers last quarter... a very healthy add rate indeed. The current quarter should be even better, considering how hard they're pushing the Famiy Share 'add a line for 9.99' thing.
ARPU did drop very slightly... but less than half as much as Cingular's did. And VZW remains quite profitable. They're not doing bad at all, though I know you so do with they were.
Ah well... we can't always get what we wish for. đ
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Verizon took the hit in ARPU when they dropped their add-on plans from $19.99 to $9.99. Obviously VZ wasn't selling anyone on the "Nation's most reliable network" claim and had to become a commodity provider to compete against TMo and Cingular.
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They took a hit when they lowered their price plans, They took a hit when they had to "expand" the IN Network M2M....They are taking hits all over the place and it only just begun........
Cinguoar is indeed formidable competition....Something none of the fan boys would have guessed only 9 months ago.....when they poo pooed ATT as a dead company and were laughing at Cingys purchase......all the way to the bank
And its only just begun
Cinguoar is indeed formidable competition....Something none of the fan boys would have guessed only 9 months ago.....when they poo pooed ATT as a dead company and were laughing at Cingys purchase......all the way to the bank
And its only just begun
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Why is it taking the hit when VZW lowers there family plans to 9.99/month? They are just matching there competition, that is what capitalism is all about. So what you are telling me is that Cingular had to "take the hit" a year earlier than VZW did, by lowering there price plans to 9.99.
In any business if you competition is going to undercut you in pricing you are going to have to respond in some way. Guess what though VZW did it way smarter than Cingular. 4th quarter 2004 was the first quarter that VZW did not lead in subscriber growth, and than they responded by lowering the price of the secondary lines. So they were able to have the best of both worlds, 20.00 family share lines and leading sub growth, while Cingular was begging...
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In any business if you competition is going to undercut you in pricing you are going to have to respond in some way. Guess what though VZW did it way smarter than Cingular. 4th quarter 2004 was the first quarter that VZW did not lead in subscriber growth, and than they responded by lowering the price of the secondary lines. So they were able to have the best of both worlds, 20.00 family share lines and leading sub growth, while Cingular was begging...
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Competition for Verizon came from consolodation of other carriers, not because any one carrier did such a great job in competition. Since the Verizon merger in 2000 Verizon has added 18 million new customers on their own marketing efforts. Cingular got theirs by tapping their parent company for money to buy competitors.
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Cingular was formed around 6 months after Verizon from combining Cell One/SBC and Bell South and here is the interesting part. They had around 20.2 million customers or more after the merger and only had around 24 million when Ed Whitacre decided to give the thumbs up to pay over 40 billion for ATT. So in other words Cingular only added a total of 4 million or so customers in the same amount of time that VZW added 15 million. Everyone is creaming their panties because Cingular now has 50 million customers but it is looking like they will only add around a million for the first quarter of the year if you take the fact that they spilled out the 50 million story with two weeks left in the quarter meaning they added 900,000 customers in 2.5 m...
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thats an interesting point. cingular wireless paid 41 billion dollars for only i belive about 21 million subscribers.
and as you said, verizon got 15 million subscribers and they didnt nearly spend 41 billion dollars.
seems to me that cingular wireless will have a hard time with spending 41 billion dollars as apposed to verizon who for 15 million subscribers only spent i belive 10 billion dollars on capex and obviously more with spectrum buyouts(which i dont recall the $ amount). (my math was you gave me 15 million and verizon gets 1.5 times 4= 7 million per year so times 2 years is 14.)
so for 15 million subscribers verizon spent 10 billion dollars for verizon.
for 41 billion dollars cingular got 21 million subscribers.
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and as you said, verizon got 15 million subscribers and they didnt nearly spend 41 billion dollars.
seems to me that cingular wireless will have a hard time with spending 41 billion dollars as apposed to verizon who for 15 million subscribers only spent i belive 10 billion dollars on capex and obviously more with spectrum buyouts(which i dont recall the $ amount). (my math was you gave me 15 million and verizon gets 1.5 times 4= 7 million per year so times 2 years is 14.)
so for 15 million subscribers verizon spent 10 billion dollars for verizon.
for 41 billion dollars cingular got 21 million subscribers.
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So they were just buying the customers? Funny, I thought they got 21,000+ cell sites, 6 UMTS markets, and a few other things out of the deal. đ
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well primarily a company usually buys another becuase of customers. PRIMARILY!. yes, they could be buying the cell sites too as well as some spectrum, however, there have been divestitures of about 3-5 million subscribers total.
but 41 billion dollars is NOT right for 21k cell sites, some spectrum and subscribers.
lets try to do some math shall we.
cell sites= 21k cell sites are about $300k each. so that equals out to be= $6.3 billion dollars.
spectrum= (this is hard to figure out but i will try) they have 274 million POPS. 30 mhz of license covers 199 million pops. 20-25 mhz covers 43 million and 10-15 mhz covers 32 million pops. according to http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=1 21007&p=irol-SECText&TEXT=aHR0cDovL2N...
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but 41 billion dollars is NOT right for 21k cell sites, some spectrum and subscribers.
lets try to do some math shall we.
cell sites= 21k cell sites are about $300k each. so that equals out to be= $6.3 billion dollars.
spectrum= (this is hard to figure out but i will try) they have 274 million POPS. 30 mhz of license covers 199 million pops. 20-25 mhz covers 43 million and 10-15 mhz covers 32 million pops. according to http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=1 21007&p=irol-SECText&TEXT=aHR0cDovL2N...
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Sorry, dude, you are wrong.
They paid 41 billion to be #1.
The customers, the cell cites, the spectrum... are all just bonuses.
They could have just bought 41 billion in spectrum and towers, but they wanted the att name as well.
They paid 41 billion to be #1.
The customers, the cell cites, the spectrum... are all just bonuses.
They could have just bought 41 billion in spectrum and towers, but they wanted the att name as well.
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The ATT name was basically washed up!!! ATT was loosing customers after number portability and even had a negative net add one quarter last year didn't they? The whole point of the Merger was to be number 1 for Cingular, they have been trying to be since January 2001 and couldn't do it without buying the competition. Sprint PCS will actually have the greatest spectrum portfolio and the greatest future now that they are merging with Nextel which was much cheaper and has more spectrum than ATT did. As much as I hate to say it at least Sprint didn't pay too much to get Nextel and is using superior technology.
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The ATT name was basically washed up!!! ATT was loosing customers after number portability and even had a negative net add one quarter last year didn't they?
Yeah, that was certainly true. ATTW's name was mud after they botched number portability so badly. And the dropped calls... everyone I knew that had ATTW could hardly wait until their contract ended. âšī¸
Still, it was a smart play to for Cingy to pick them up for their customers and towers, if not their brand name. It's just good that they didn't change the name to "Cingular-ATT Wireless". That's kinda like changing your name to "Joe Schmuck". đŗ
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BetterThanJake said:bigdaddyjay said:
The ATT name was basically washed up!!! ATT was loosing customers after number portability and even had a negative net add one quarter last year didn't they?
Yeah, that was certainly true. ATTW's name was mud after they botched number portability so badly. And the dropped calls... everyone I knew that had ATTW could hardly wait until their contract ended. âšī¸
Still, it was a smart play to for Cingy to pick them up for their customers and towers, if not their brand name. It's just good that they didn't change the name to "Cingular-ATT Wireless". That's kinda like changing your name to "Joe Schmuck". đŗ
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bigdaddyjay said:If I had a penny for every point you, Nextel 18, and Kingfrog missed...well, I'd have a whole lot of pennies, newb.
MuchDrama misses the point sometimes, haha.
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If I had a hundred dollar bill for every time you actually posted something credible I'd be bankrupt. Your only goal is to sit in this web site and attack people like Nextel18 because they are more credible than you, do you even have a clue where Cellular had been and grown into as a business?? Start going to Wirelessweek and RCRNews and get educated so you stop sounding like a fat lazy housewife.
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bigdaddyjay said:Are you even aware of how much a joke you, Kingfrog and Nextel are on this site? Go ahead...conduct a poll and see where you and Nextel stand. Nextel can't even get his facts straight in the Nextel forum...and he works for them. As for RCRNews...I bought a subscription through their website...
If I had a hundred dollar bill for every time you actually posted something credible I'd be bankrupt. Your only goal is to sit in this web site and attack people like Nextel18 because they are more credible than you, do you even have a clue where Cellular had been and grown into as a business?? Start going to Wirelessweek and RCRNews and get educated so you stop sounding like a fat lazy housewife.
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BetterThanJake said:And didn't mean to come off nasty. I'm just tired of this whole "they suck, you suck" thing.
Wasn't saying that Cingy sucked... was saying that ATTW sucked. đ
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The ATT name was basically washed up!!! ATT was loosing customers after number portability and even had a negative net add one quarter last year didn't they? The whole point of the Merger was to be number 1 for Cingular, they have been trying to be since January 2001 and couldn't do it without buying the competition. Sprint PCS will actually have the greatest spectrum portfolio and the greatest future now that they are merging with Nextel which was much cheaper and has more spectrum than ATT did. As much as I hate to say it at least Sprint didn't pay too much to get Nextel and is using superior technology.
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i am wrong? so you would pay $41 billion dollars to just get 21 million subscribers? come on. sooner or later verizon wireless will be number one again, especially since they spent less than cingular in the 2 year period.
(check out my analysis and math you will see)
so you will pay 41 billion dollars in a name? i can understand if its a great name, however, ATT WIRELESS IS THE WORST NAME IN THE INDUSTRY. high churn, loosing customers, low arpu. some crucial lawsuits. TERRIBLE!!
so your wrong with both of your points.
(check out my analysis and math you will see)
so you will pay 41 billion dollars in a name? i can understand if its a great name, however, ATT WIRELESS IS THE WORST NAME IN THE INDUSTRY. high churn, loosing customers, low arpu. some crucial lawsuits. TERRIBLE!!
so your wrong with both of your points.
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nextel18 said:Buddy, starting an argument about Cingular with a guy like Phoenix is like digging your own grave. Gaining 21 million customers is priceless. Also getting your hands on a...
i am wrong? so you would pay $41 billion dollars to just get 21 million subscribers? come on. sooner or later verizon wireless will be number one again, especially since they spent less than cingular in the 2 year period.
(check out my analysis and math you will see)
so you will pay 41 billion dollars in a name? i can understand if its a great name, however, ATT WIRELESS IS THE WORST NAME IN THE INDUSTRY. high churn, loosing customers, low arpu. some crucial lawsuits. TERRIBLE!!
so your wrong with both of your points.
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muchdrama said:...nextel18 said:Buddy, starting an argument about Cingular with a guy like Phoenix is like digging your own grave. Gaining 21 million customers is pri
i am wrong? so you would pay $41 billion dollars to just get 21 million subscribers? come on. sooner or later verizon wireless will be number one again, especially since they spent less than cingular in the 2 year period.
(check out my analysis and math you will see)
so you will pay 41 billion dollars in a name? i can understand if its a great name, however, ATT WIRELESS IS THE WORST NAME IN THE INDUSTRY. high churn, loosing customers, low arpu. some crucial lawsuits. TERRIBLE!!
so your wrong with both of your points.
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PhoenixAshes said:...muchdrama said:nextel18 said:Buddy, starting an argument about Cingular with a guy like Phoenix is like digging your own gra
i am wrong? so you would pay $41 billion dollars to just get 21 million subscribers? come on. sooner or later verizon wireless will be number one again, especially since they spent less than cingular in the 2 year period.
(check out my analysis and math you will see)
so you will pay 41 billion dollars in a name? i can understand if its a great name, however, ATT WIRELESS IS THE WORST NAME IN THE INDUSTRY. high churn, loosing customers, low arpu. some crucial lawsuits. TERRIBLE!!
so your wrong with both of your points.
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Hey, in case you haven't heard you can go to the Lounge Forum if you are going to talk about meaningless crap, this is a cellular forum.
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bigdaddyjay said:In case you were wondering (and we don't really give a crap if you are or not), Phoenix and I could give a damn what some newbie tool thinks about our conversations. We'll talk about what we want where we want?
Hey, in case you haven't heard you can go to the Lounge Forum if you are going to talk about meaningless crap, this is a cellular forum.
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And don't forget that they got a few (not sure of the exact number) markets already set up for HSDPA from the buyout of AT&T as well.
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Those att markets are umts , not hsdpa. They will probably be upgraded to that though.
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My mistake. I thought I read that there were some HSDPA markets involved. Could be wrong though.
Which markets are the UMTS markets that Cingular got out of the merger?
Which markets are the UMTS markets that Cingular got out of the merger?
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PhoenixAshes said:Good to see you back, my old nemesis.
Those att markets are umts , not hsdpa. They will probably be upgraded to that though.
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muchdrama said:PhoenixAshes said:Good to see you back, my old nemesis.
Those att markets are umts , not hsdpa. They will probably be upgraded to that though.
Getting married and buying/painting/moving into a house keeps a MF busy...
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PhoenixAshes said:Married? Congrats you sly MF.muchdrama said:PhoenixAshes said:Good to see you back, my old nemesis.
Those att markets are umts , not hsdpa. They will probably be upgraded to that though.
Getting married and buying/painting/moving into a house keeps a MF busy...
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muchdrama said:PhoenixAshes said:Married? Congrats you sly MF.muchdrama said:PhoenixAshes said:Good to see you back, my old nemesis.
Those att markets are umts , not hsdpa. They will probably be upgraded to that though.
Getting married and buying/painting/moving into a house keeps a MF busy...
Thanks.
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i also wanted to add how i figured out 10 billion dollars for capex. well my math computed to be about 2 years and verizon wireless says they spend 5 billion dollars per year which equals 10 billion dollars.
anyway.. who got the better deal? the answer is obvious. i hope becuase of cingular's overpaying for att wireless wont hurt them as much becuase if it stands right now and probably for many years down the road, it will have a huge impact for an ROI. (return on investment)
anyway.. who got the better deal? the answer is obvious. i hope becuase of cingular's overpaying for att wireless wont hurt them as much becuase if it stands right now and probably for many years down the road, it will have a huge impact for an ROI. (return on investment)
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They took a hit when they lowered their price plans, They took a hit when they had to "expand" the IN Network M2M....They are taking hits all over the place
Hm... Cingular's ARPU dropped nearly 6 percent last quarter, VZW's only 2.5 percent. Sounds like you're describing Cingular "taking hits all over the place", not so much Verizon. đ
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Here you go Nextel18 and this might hurt, looks like VZW is heading to REV A trials in 2006, see below.\\
Day 2: The CTIA Wireless 2005 show in New Orleans is in full swing today. Here's a glimpse of what was announced during Tuesday's show.
Nortel unveiled plans for its CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Revision A technology, which supports the delivery of interactive 3D gaming, mobile music, voice over IP and high-speed file transfers. The technology, according to Nortel, also will support virtual real-time interactive access to a host of services, including mobile television, video telephony and push-to-talk. Nortel plans to launch live market trials with Verizon Wireless next year.
Day 2: The CTIA Wireless 2005 show in New Orleans is in full swing today. Here's a glimpse of what was announced during Tuesday's show.
Nortel unveiled plans for its CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Revision A technology, which supports the delivery of interactive 3D gaming, mobile music, voice over IP and high-speed file transfers. The technology, according to Nortel, also will support virtual real-time interactive access to a host of services, including mobile television, video telephony and push-to-talk. Nortel plans to launch live market trials with Verizon Wireless next year.
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the point was, that they are probably going to have to pay for extra, becuase i remember reading when they were getting their DO REV O that they didnt have an option to go to REV A unless they paid.
they should have waited till they would roll out REV A next year or the year after.
oh well.
they should have waited till they would roll out REV A next year or the year after.
oh well.
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Dude,
Sometimes you have some good things to say and sometimes it appears you want to start a flame war. I am excited about the upcoming merger of Sprint and Nextel and I am excited about WIMAX and Flarion. But this forum may not be the place to express that enthusiasm.
I think you would hate it if the Nextel forum became like this one where people from all carriers come here to start flame wars.
Sometimes you have some good things to say and sometimes it appears you want to start a flame war. I am excited about the upcoming merger of Sprint and Nextel and I am excited about WIMAX and Flarion. But this forum may not be the place to express that enthusiasm.
I think you would hate it if the Nextel forum became like this one where people from all carriers come here to start flame wars.
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how do i start flame wars? i am the one stating the facts, stating my opinions, and yet they call me names. i would think it would be the other way around. a message board should be a place where anyone talks about anything that relates to the wireless industry and the carrier.
i would hate any message board that just attacks people like they have been doing to me.
again, if they dont start anything, i wont attack them back. i guess its just human nature.
i would hate any message board that just attacks people like they have been doing to me.
again, if they dont start anything, i wont attack them back. i guess its just human nature.
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I found it quite humorous when I took a peak into the Sprint forum and could not find a SINGLE post or response from you. If you are so estatic about the Nextel-Sprint merger, why are you expressing it in the Verizon forum and not in the Sprint forum?
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how do i start flame wars? i am the one stating the facts, stating my opinions, and yet they call me names. i would think it would be the other way around. a message board should be a place where anyone talks about anything that relates to the wireless industry and the carrier.
You start flame wars by spewing unnecessary information in a Verizon forum where, hey what do you know, Verizon employees and customers are. Apparently very few care to he...
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i am allowed to discuss carriers and their competition on these boards. i wanted to make a discussion with the nextel/sprint situation and the cingular/att wireless situation and verizon. becuase, i like talking about competition and what a company or companies have in their pipeline.
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I found it quite humorous when I took a peak into the Sprint forum and could not find a SINGLE post or response from you. If you are so estatic about the Nextel-Sprint merger, why are you expressing it in the Verizon forum and not in the Sprint forum?how do i start flame wars? i am the one stating the facts, stating my opinions, and yet they call me names. i would think it would be the other way around. a message board should be a place where anyone talks about anything that relates to the wireless industry and the carrier.
You start flame wars by spewing unnecessary information in a Verizon forum where, hey what do you know, Verizon employees and customers a
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Rich didnt say that anything i was doing violates any TOS rules. thus; what i am doing is ok. if its not he would have told me by now.
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nextel18 said:I never referred to you breaking any of the rules. I referred to him scolding me for being a scofflaw.
Rich didnt say that anything i was doing violates any TOS rules. thus; what i am doing is ok. if its not he would have told me by now.
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ok. well that is what i am saying. if rich were to say i was doing was wrong, then i would stop.
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nextel18 said:I could care less if you told me drive my car off the London Bridge...I wouldn't report a thread. I don't "tattle".
ok. well that is what i am saying. if rich were to say i was doing was wrong, then i would stop.
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rich told me to report people that were violating any TOS rule that has to deal with me, so that is what i am doing.
if you stop, like it seems that you have, then i wont have to report.
if you stop, like it seems that you have, then i wont have to report.
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nextel18 said:Newsflash. Me telling you you're wrong about something isn't defamation or slander. If you think it is then you have to look up the the definition to both words.
rich told me to report people that were violating any TOS rule that has to deal with me, so that is what i am doing.
if you stop, like it seems that you have, then i wont have to report.
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i am not saying that, i am saying about the things THAT YOU HAVE SAID IN THERE. not about i am wrong, with no evidence or anything, i am talking about what said in there.
"newsflash" you cant stop being rude, can you?
you twist words around for some reason, and you dont actually look deeply into the message especially with the messages that i have changed with number 1 and number 2 as well as number 3. you always twist words around and think its some other kind of meeting...
"newsflash" you cant stop being rude, can you?
you twist words around for some reason, and you dont actually look deeply into the message especially with the messages that i have changed with number 1 and number 2 as well as number 3. you always twist words around and think its some other kind of meeting...
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nextel18 said:It's really hard to look "deeply" into the true meaning of your posts as you use poor grammar and spelling. If you think "newsflash" is rude...report it.
i am not saying that, i am saying about the things THAT YOU HAVE SAID IN THERE. not about i am wrong, with no evidence or anything, i am talking about what said in there.
"newsflash" you cant stop being rude, can you?
you twist words around for some reason, and you dont actually look deeply into the message especially with the messages that i have changed with number 1 and number 2 as well as number 3. you always twist words around and think its some other kind of meeting...
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it is very easy to look deeply into those messages. very very easy. if i say something then it isnt right then i modify it quickly like i did with number 1, number 2 and number 3. you just cant move on from it and see that i have modified my explanation and information.
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The Sprint Nextel merger is actually good news for Verizon. Had Cingular picked up Nextel then there would have been about 15 million more GSM customers in the US. This means that the CDMA carriers will be able to widen their lead over GSM carriers in the USA.
The Sprint Nextel merger also means that American wireless technology will advance either with a different form of CDMA or a WIFI type network (Flarion or WiMax?). At this point it is doubtful that there will be more American carriers joining the UMTS bandwagon other than those who have already announced their 3G plans to do so.
Sprint Nextel combined will be a much more formidable competitor than either of them alone. That could bode worse for Cingular or Verizon.
The Sprint Nextel merger also means that American wireless technology will advance either with a different form of CDMA or a WIFI type network (Flarion or WiMax?). At this point it is doubtful that there will be more American carriers joining the UMTS bandwagon other than those who have already announced their 3G plans to do so.
Sprint Nextel combined will be a much more formidable competitor than either of them alone. That could bode worse for Cingular or Verizon.
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"The Sprint Nextel merger is actually good news for Verizon. Had Cingular picked up Nextel then there would have been about 15 million more GSM customers in the US. This means that the CDMA carriers will be able to widen their lead over GSM carriers in the USA.
The Sprint Nextel merger also means that American wireless technology will advance either with a different form of CDMA or a WIFI type network (Flarion or WiMax?). At this point it is doubtful that there will be more American carriers joining the UMTS bandwagon other than those who have already announced their 3G plans to do so.
Sprint Nextel combined will be a much more formidable competitor than either of them alone. That could bode worse for Cingular or Verizon."
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The Sprint Nextel merger also means that American wireless technology will advance either with a different form of CDMA or a WIFI type network (Flarion or WiMax?). At this point it is doubtful that there will be more American carriers joining the UMTS bandwagon other than those who have already announced their 3G plans to do so.
Sprint Nextel combined will be a much more formidable competitor than either of them alone. That could bode worse for Cingular or Verizon."
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I agree with you except on one point, that is that CDMA will have probably one more evolution before any WIFI product will be released network wide. WIMAX is the way to go but the problem will be convincing wireless carriers to embrace it. Remember that a little over 1/3 of the US wireless customers are still using a mutation of TDMA. The Europeans are looking to settle into UMTS for the long haul so WIMAX will get a cool initial reception.
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yea, cdma will have probably one more before wimax and flarion gets deployed. the only one i am thinking is DO REV A becuase DV wont be released becuase qualcomm mentioned that they have somewhat made those chipsets extinct. i think anyone can convince providers from switching to wimax from DO REV A. the problem is; there is no spectrum, and the companies who have it are nextel and sprint and a few others.
they could also do wimax just in the high dense areas that require a lot of coverage/capacity, becuase as you know mmds spectrum increase and help to ease capacity and coverage.
i like wimax over REV A. sprint is actually going to try wimax over their DO system.
they could also do wimax just in the high dense areas that require a lot of coverage/capacity, becuase as you know mmds spectrum increase and help to ease capacity and coverage.
i like wimax over REV A. sprint is actually going to try wimax over their DO system.
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Since when is a little competition a bad thing??? You act we're suppose to care who has more customers. I don't give a rats ass if cingular has 200 million customers. What I care about is being able to make a call when I need to. I've been on t-mobile, cingular, and verizon. Unfortunately for you gsm people, cdma is just a much better technology and verizon happens to lead the pack. Quite honestly, I love the fact that cingular has more customers and sprint/nextel are merging. That just gives verizon reason to lower their prices and give us better deals.
Long story short, ignorants who just want a lot of minutes are flocking to cingular making an over crowded network even worse, while Verizon makes it even nicer for us to stay on t...
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Long story short, ignorants who just want a lot of minutes are flocking to cingular making an over crowded network even worse, while Verizon makes it even nicer for us to stay on t...
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I agree with you whole-heartedly on the issue of competition driving the price down. However, I completely disagree with you regarding the overcrowding of Cingular's network. I have both a VZW phone (personal use) and a Cingular phone (business use). I actually get better signal and battery life out of the Cingular one. Better signal is NOT the sign of an overcrowded network.
As far as what is a better technology, I will leave that to the experts to fight out. In my opinion, both are great. What I see is a complete merge of technologies somewhere between 2010 and 2015 where all carriers will be using the same technology due to that being the need with more and more people travelling all around the world. And I believe that this sta...
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As far as what is a better technology, I will leave that to the experts to fight out. In my opinion, both are great. What I see is a complete merge of technologies somewhere between 2010 and 2015 where all carriers will be using the same technology due to that being the need with more and more people travelling all around the world. And I believe that this sta...
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" I actually get better signal and battery life out of the Cingular one. Better signal is NOT the sign of an overcrowded network."
i belive, gsm phones have always been better with the battery life, thus providing better signal quality and strength. i think maybe it has to do with power managment on the site. it also has to do with amount of spectrum and towers in that area. it could also hurt capacity/coverage in that area.
they should both perform well becuase they both have 800mhz spectrum.
i belive, gsm phones have always been better with the battery life, thus providing better signal quality and strength. i think maybe it has to do with power managment on the site. it also has to do with amount of spectrum and towers in that area. it could also hurt capacity/coverage in that area.
they should both perform well becuase they both have 800mhz spectrum.
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The battery life of the phone has absolutely nothing to do with how well the phone picks up the signal. It is the other way around. If a phone is always picking up a good signal, it will have a better battery life than if its signal was in and out.
If a network is overcrowded, it will be extremely obvious to the customer. The customer would constantly get a "network busy" type of message when they tried to place a call. And incoming calls would go straight to voicemail or also get a "network busy" message. Also, dropped calls would be far more regular. This has never happened with my Cingular phone, therefore, I refuse to believe that they have an overcrowding problem right now.
If a network is overcrowded, it will be extremely obvious to the customer. The customer would constantly get a "network busy" type of message when they tried to place a call. And incoming calls would go straight to voicemail or also get a "network busy" message. Also, dropped calls would be far more regular. This has never happened with my Cingular phone, therefore, I refuse to believe that they have an overcrowding problem right now.
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ahh, i see. i have always thought that battery performence enhances power to the signal driver and system.
they actually had overcrowding in a few areas and was sued for it.
they actually had overcrowding in a few areas and was sued for it.
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Never had that problem in my market, but that could be because I am a former ATT market.
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yea, maybe.
i had both cingular att wireless when they were seperate and they were combined, i had terrible service the whole time...
i had both cingular att wireless when they were seperate and they were combined, i had terrible service the whole time...
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You just have a grudge against them. You could have had the best service ever from them and you would still say it was terrible.
What is your issues with them? Because I have travelled all over the country and not had any problem with thier service.
What is your issues with them? Because I have travelled all over the country and not had any problem with thier service.
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no, i have no grudge against them. the thing is i didnt have good service anywhere.
my issues was this; the billing was terrible, customer service is even worse, and especially the coverage in my area is not great. (especially comparing it with nextel)
my issues was this; the billing was terrible, customer service is even worse, and especially the coverage in my area is not great. (especially comparing it with nextel)
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I personally have had none of those issues. And I have NEVER experienced an area where nextel's service exceeds both VZW and Cingular/ATT. But that's just me.
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yea, everywhere that i have gone with my nextel phones, i have had great service. from north-east to southeast- to mid west to the west= nothing but great service. nextel has been better in the areas than verizon and cingular/att.
oh well i guess.
oh well i guess.
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SForsyth01 said:That's because there are no areas where Nextel's service exceeds VZW and Cingular.
I personally have had none of those issues. And I have NEVER experienced an area where nextel's service exceeds both VZW and Cingular/ATT. But that's just me.
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muchdrama said:SForsyth01 said:That's because there are no areas where Nextel's service exceeds VZW and Cingular.
I personally have had none of those issues. And I have NEVER experienced an area where nextel's service exceeds both VZW and Cingular/ATT. But that's just me.
You are forgetting Fantasy Island, drama. Nextel and Cricket are the dominant force there. đ¤Ŗ
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PhoenixAshes said:Is Cricket any good?muchdrama said:SForsyth01 said:That's because there are no areas where Nextel's service exceeds VZW and Cingular.
I personally have had none of those issues. And I have NEVER experienced an area where nextel's service exceeds both VZW and Cingular/ATT. But that's just me.
You are forgetting Fantasy Island, drama. Nextel and Cricket are the dominant force there. đ¤Ŗ
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