thanks... we have to be aware that what i said in the other post that a lot of the providers include their mvno's affiliates and partners and prepaid.. we should be aware of that. i can get the numbers anyway for each so thats not a problem.

why wont we add mvno's and affiliates though? i can understand not adding prepaid becuase its at a higher churn and lower arpu, (cept boost mobile) but why not add mvno's and affiliates? they still lease capacity and pay arpu.

do we want to change it to adding mvno and affiliates as well? (i think we should)

MVNO and resellers are advertised as seperate companies, I think we should look at what the Company can add with their advertising and marketing strategies.

well, they are advertised as seperate companies, however, they still pay revenue to the provider that they are leasing capacity from. some of those carriers like nextel pays for boost mobile and sprint pays for some of their partners and affiliates marketing and advertising. i mean it does effect Cost per gross add or CPGA which does effect net income.

i think we should add those, but if you dont want to then we dont have to. you are the ref.

i just think we should add them. (becuase of the revenue gains and things like that. )

Start a thread that includes what you want, I wanted to see the Company Net adds and not tally up what some weirdo on a unicorn is selling over at Virgin Mobile so that it can be added to Sprints numbers.

sprint doesnt add virgin mobile, i dont belive. (i dont see anything mentioning on the sprint's web site saying virgin mobile being added)

it says on their web site about direct adds, mvno's affiliates and things like that. (not virgin mobile)

we can do what you want, but it will be wise to add all of their subscribers, but not prepaid.

wow, what a stupid thing to say....

he asked you for predictions ie NUMBERS and you give him bologna. come on now.

i gave numbers. just because they weren't in your favor doesn't mean its bologna.

fine. end of 05.

VZW= 54m
Cingular= 54m
Sprint/Nextel= 44m

who cares about the rest. those are the powerhouses.

you didnt give any numbers before. and its not total numbers after 2005 its WHAT THEY GET PER QUARTER. (hint there are 4 quarter in a year)

so tell us what each will get per quarter without mvno's affiliates, partners and prepaid. (see our predictions for an example)

nextel18 said:
you didnt give any numbers before. and its not total numbers after 2005 its WHAT THEY GET PER QUARTER. (hint there are 4 quarter in a year)

so tell us what each will get per quarter without mvno's affiliates, partners and prepaid. (see our predictions for an example)

i understand the question. don't talk all condescending to me. i chose to answer it by end of the year results.

quarterly?

i cant make predictions about two company's that haven't even merged yet. that said.. by quarterly results. maybe something like this..

cingular/att- 1.6m, 1.5m, 1.5m
verizon- 1.8m, 1.8m, 1.9m

oh god.

so do it separately with nextel and sprint like i have done and that jay has done..

by the way you did it for only 3 quarters.

try again.

Maybe he needs to change his name to 75%, hahaha

ahhaha. yea maybe.

nextel18 said:
oh god.

so do it separately with nextel and sprint like i have done and that jay has done..

by the way you did it for only 3 quarters.

try again.

geez. freakin average them and that's my answer. who cares.

why cant you do it? by the way you did it by 3, not by 4.

Cing= 1.7
Ver= 1.3
T-mobile= 950,000
Sprint= 480,000

thanks.. you forgot nextel by the way.

please say it again with your nextel target. thanks.

85percent said:

bigdaddyjay said:
We are going on a half hour and no responses yet! I know some of you are in here so don't be afraid, hit me with the digits.

I think VZW will be at 1,043,432,312,889 customers by the end of 05.

Actually. Based on customer feedback regarding reception, I really don't think Cingular's momentum will stay strong throughout the year. I believe they will slow down and VZW will overcome them by the end of 05.

I think Sprint and Nextel will build a space ship and have its' 40 million customers try and take over the moon then a comet will hit the space ship when it lands up there, leaving Nextel and Sprint with 164 customers.

I think t...
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i dont think it will be 12-18 months for the integration because it is not as detailed and they arent on different networks. they have and use same or similar frequencies and have a lot of towers which they can get rid of. i think it will take 6-12 months. the Nextel/sprint deal is a different story because i think that will take 12-18 months maybe 24 months before Nextel migrates most or all of its iden network to cdma.

They are on different networks, most areas where they have both are using 800 and 1900mhz networks so having towers on both won't work well until some type of filter technology is in place to allow seamless handoff from 800-1900 and from 1900-800 without dropping calls. Plus they have to balance TDMA/GSM/UMTS-WCDMA/HSDPA and analog all on one network without overloading channels and causing call blockage. From a Network viewpoint this isn't easy to do and should require a lot more effort than changing some signs in from of a bunch of stores and claimimg that you are raising the bar.

yea, i dont think so. its on the same network. (gsm) even though its different frequencies. they can always do dual mode phones or something like that. they have plenty of spectrum and towers to worry about any overloading.

you are missing the point. Even with dual band phones if the network can't hand off from one frquency to the other without dropping then the customers are still using two networks that have ranked poorly in recent times. People keep talking smack about 45,000 towers and more coverage with more towers but is they can't align them all and fit the GSM/TDMA/AMPS/HSDPA-UMTS-WCDMA/EDGA channels within the spectrum in good balance then they will continue to get slammed for poor network quality. please remember that Cingular uses many different technologies within their network and will continue to until all of their customers are free from TDMA devices and Analog devices which suck a lot of spectrum per user compared to the newer technology they...
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yea, that is a good point. i didnt think of that, however, your 12-18 month time line for the whole integration is way too long in my opinion. nextel/sprint said that it would take till probably 2007-2008 for the integration to be completed. half of nextel's towers will be on the cdma network by 2007. so i mean if thats 2 years i would think that cingular/att wireless will take less becuase they dont have as different spectrum and network then nextel and sprint.

we will see though, but i dont think so. maybe, if we can find a presentation from IR about the whole migration situation with cingular/att wireless to find out exactly or just email them. (i should have probably done that but again, i dont care about it that much becuase i wante...
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jay, i searched through cingular's 10k as of 3/07/05 and this is what i saw.


"Network Integration

The acquisition of AT&T Wireless provided Cingular with significantly more cell sites covering its footprint than any other operator in the U.S. To ensure that the additional cell sites result in improved coverage for our customers, we have activated “home-on-home roaming” between the previous AT&T Wireless and Cingular systems allowing former AT&T Wireless customers to roam onto Cingular networks where they previously did not have coverage and similarly for Cingular customers. We intend to maintain this improved coverage and to continue network construction to add a large number of new cell sites to further bolster our coverage advan...
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So we are talking 12 to 18 months as stated earlier. That will be 12 to 18 months where their customers will be using phones designed to roam off of the other network thus not having both networks combined. Basically two piles of crap owned by one company that will take 12 to 18 months to turn into one big pile of crap for all Cingy customers to enjoy? That leaves a long time for other companies to sieze their unhappy customers that aren't seeing the claims of raising the bar.

its not 12-18 months.. it would be 21 months.

yea, most of nextel/sprint's and verizon's new adds are becuase of other providers loss.

You are starting to see our frustrations with nextel18. It is virtually impossible to get him to understand and accept that he could be missing the point in any way.

I still think that KingFrog is ten times more annoying. At least Nextel18 researches things that he posts but the Tadpol just flames.

You have a point there....but nextel18 has this obsession with having the last word in an argument, whether he was right or not.

And most of the time, he does great research....but he really makes you wonder how he forms the opinions he has from the research that he does. Logic is not his strong point.

This forum would be a little boring without people like him, froggy, drama and a few others I'll not mention. I think it is great that we can all disagree and rip on each other a little. We all have our theories and some have valid reasons while others point out generic reasons but hey we are all having a good time so it's worth it!

bigdaddyjay said:
We all have our theories and some have valid reasons while others point out generic reasons but hey we are all having a good time so it's worth it!

I agree completely.

bigdaddyjay said:

85percent said:

bigdaddyjay said:
We are going on a half hour and no responses yet! I know some of you are in here so don't be afraid, hit me with the digits.

I think VZW will be at 1,043,432,312,889 customers by the end of 05.

Actually. Based on customer feedback regarding reception, I really don't think Cingular's momentum will stay strong throughout the year. I believe they will slow down and VZW will overcome them by the end of 05.

I think Sprint and Nextel will build a space ship and have its' 40 million customers try and take over the moon then a comet will hit the space ship when it lands up there, leaving Nextel and Sprint with 164

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I feel Cingular's churn will increase because when UMTS is released nationwide people will want it without signing a new contract or anything. Just like when Airtouch and USCC released CDMA their churn rose because some people who were on analog wanted the new system and the new phone with no additional cost or strings attached. They were left with a bad taste in their mouth and resolved to leave at that time. I also believe that their reps are overselling the benefits of GSM. At least the former ATTWS has been.

Word on the street is that Cingular will bypass UMTS and go straight to HSDPA.

I thought that they are deploying umts and hsdpa as an overlap or simultaneous?

Word is that they are going to deploy it over their current UMTS markets (former blue areas) but go straight to it starting at the end of this year and have the whole thing wrapped up by the end of 2006. I heard this from a cell tech that I ran into that works for Cingular in Chicago.

i posted a post on that situation.. go check the next post that was at you.

they arent skipping umts becuase umts/hsdpa are basically one. basically hsdpa is an upgrade and overlaps umts.

you know how i love facts and evidence so here is what i found from cingular's 10k as of 3/7/05

"In January 2005, Cingular field tested a higher speed downlink component of UMTS called “High Speed Downlink Packet Access” (HSDPA), which we intend to offer in all of our UMTS markets. Our successful field trial of the first phase of HSDPA, which provides up to 3.6 megabits per second (Mbps) peak speed, demonstrated that HSDPA is the fastest wide-area wireless high speed data solution available for consumer access in the U.S. In the next two years, HSDPA will have average throughput in the 400-700 Kbps range and theoretical speeds of 14 Mbps. Cingular has awarded UMTS/ HSDPA contracts to three infrastructure vendors, Lucent Technologies, Inc...
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Just telling you what a cell tech on the payroll advised so take it for what it is worth.

oh, i will. but i would rather read what the 10k says though and their conference calls over that person.

I wouldn't, they will say whatever investors and the public want to hear. I would rather hear it from the guy installing the hardware.

they cant say things that are false or else shareholders will be suing them and they dont want bad PR or a lawsuit.

but again, i would rather belive 10k's and from the CTO then from people there. CTO's run the technology there. its ok i guess we have diff preferences but i would rather listen to the horses' mouth them from your guy.

All they have to say is that they plan to launch, or that their goal is more bars in more places. Get where I'm comming from? This guy never lies and tells me what is up, I used to know him from the nightclubs I've worked at here in Chi Town and he has always been pretty acurate.

hahahah. nice.

muchdrama said:

SPCSVZWJeff said:
Here's my 2 cents:

Cingular retains its momentum through on entire customer cycle (24 months) so adds about 1.25-1.5 million customers per quarter. At the end of that customer cycle they drop to 750,000- 1 million per quarter with an increased churn.
Verizon builds momentum and adds 1.5-2 million customers per quarter. Due to the new markets they will enter and the success of V-Cast and othe innovations. They pass Cingular in early 2007.
Sprint-Nextel struggles at first with the merger and only is able to add 750,000-1 million per quarter and sometime in 2007 gain momentum and rival Verizon in customer growth after they successfully implement the new networks and

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How's this for predictions:

KingFrog will become the most popular guy on this forum just days before he becomes CEO of Cingular.

He will make peace with the Jihadists and be elected President of the USA.

Hell will freeze over five days later and the Tampa Bay Devil Rays will win their 5th straight world championship to match the Cincinnati Bengals.

All of this began with a stupid prediction that anyone with a clue could see. Cingular would do like really well after the merger and would give Verizon a run for their money.

SPCSVZWJeff said:
All of this began with a stupid prediction that anyone with a clue could see. Cingular would do like really well after the merger and would give Verizon a run for their money.

Uh, I didn't see it coming. At least so soon. Or are you being sarcastic?

SPCSVZWJeff said:


All of this began with a stupid prediction that anyone with a clue could see. Cingular would do like really well after the merger and would give Verizon a run for their money.

This link is from YOUR Verzon rep who apparently could NOT see Cingular would do very well......

https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
>>>>>>>>>Laughing Laughing Laughing

I hate individuals that try to speak like their educated in the wireless industry. We all know that VZW will remain ahead of the competition and that we'll continue with positive growth.

It's completely stupid for others in this forum to make assumptions and state something that isn't even close to b...
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Am I blind or do you still not have the cajones to post sum actual net add numbers?? You are pathetic and can't even put your numbers out there, hahaha.

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