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LTE usage-based pricing

CellStudent

Jan 8, 2010, 12:43 PM
Well, I've been smelling the blood in the water for months, but here's the first hard evidence:

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/verizon-envision ... »

Verizon Wireless likely will introduce a usage-based pricing model when it launches its LTE network in commercial markets later this year, a Verizon executive said, lending credence to the idea that wireless carriers will increasingly adopt the model in the future.
The pricing paradigm likely will shift because there will be so many devices that run on the LTE network that customers will not buy in Verizon's stores, Verizon Communications CTO Dick Lynch said. Instead, the company will probably introduce a pricing scheme in which customers will be charged a base rate for using the network on LTE-connected devices--including tablets and appliances--but will then charge customers based on how much bandwidth they use.
"The problem we have today with flat-based usage is that you are trying to encourage customers to be efficient in use and applications, but you are getting some people who are bandwidth hogs using gigabytes a month and they are paying something like megabytes a month," Lynch said in an interview with the Washington Post. "That isn't long-term sustainable. Why should customers using an average amount of bandwidth be subsidizing bandwidth hogs?"
The company plans on launching 25-30 commercial LTE markets this year, covering a total of 100 million POPs. It has not detailed any pricing plans for the network, but has said that network will provide average data speeds of 5-12 Mbps for downloads and 2-5 Mbps for uploads.
Lynch's comments are not entirely surprising. He made similar remarks at a broadband trade show in September, where he argued that metered broadband was going to eventually become a reality.
AT&T Mobility has said it will introduce incentives to get its customers to use wireless broadband more efficiently, though it has not said it will introduce usage-based pricing. Analysts have been speculating that more and more wireless operators will eventually go that route as data traffic keeps growing.
"If you look at what's happening today, they're being forced by necessity to adopt usage-based models," Phil Asmundson, Deloitte's vice chairman and leader of its U.S. technology, media and telecommunications group, told Telephony. "All-you-can-eat business models depend on your ability to predict how much data your customers will consume. The iPhone has proven that you can't make those kind of predictions."


Odds are that if you're reading this, your a usage hog like me. Better put in for that promotion at work, because you'll need it if you plan to start running your mobile data the way you abuse your DSL/cable connection right now!
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Azeron

Jan 8, 2010, 8:19 PM
If this is true then No LTE for me. Wi-Max would look better and better...
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Menno

Jan 8, 2010, 8:47 PM
sadly... I doubt they'll have wimax up here for a pretty long time.. sprint doesn't even have voice coverage up here (they roam off Verizon).
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Jayshmay

Jan 11, 2010, 2:29 AM
Wow yikes!!!
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Cellenator

Jan 11, 2010, 7:56 PM
so that's you and I'm me 😛 I live in Seattle and wimax is amazing!
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Azeron

Jan 8, 2010, 11:03 PM
Same here... Sprint has voice coverage here but I don't know about EV-DO. In any event 3g is for me.
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Menno

Jan 9, 2010, 12:49 AM
I love the idea of wimax.. but I think LTE will work better in the long run.. if I could drop my DSL I would be so stoked. (I believe I am officially old enough that I can use Stoked to make it sound funny)
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Menno

Jan 8, 2010, 8:46 PM
It depends on what they consider usage.. for example, if the base rate is 5gigs, and they you pay over that in tier even with my gaming/hulu streaming, I could pay almost 80 a month and be well ahead of the curve when it comes to individual costs because I could get rid of my home internet.

I don't do P2P, Torrents, etc. The biggest draws for me are MMO's and hulu streaming.
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CellStudent

Jan 9, 2010, 1:11 AM
I'd say the best question here is what will be the new "floor" for smartphone and modem plans. "Usage based" doesn't necessarily mean more expensive. If the deal was to pay $9.99 per month plus $10 per gigabyte (billed in 1 MB blocks of about $0.01 per MB) that wouldn't be a bad deal at all. 99% of users would probably be ecstatic about switching over to a plan like that, even if they had to buy an unsubsidized modem to get that rate.

Subsidized models high have a $20 or $30 monthly minimum to offset the subsidy on a smart phone, but the whole USB modem world needs a little shake up IMO. Those little things have no screen, no speaker and no microphone. Cost of materials to build those things in large quantities is probably only $40 a pop...
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Jayshmay

Jan 11, 2010, 2:37 AM
Well, Verizon's USB modems won't be cheap cause they'll be both Rev.A & LTE.
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mycool

Jan 9, 2010, 8:02 PM
I think everyone is missing the big picture here.

It was the speculation and confirmation of the multitude of devices.

Let's see... say mycool, inc. owns 50 vending machines. And, say I want to attach a modem to them to transmit data (small amounts) so that the machine can alert me when it runs low on change, needs a refill, or has a malfunction.

Today I am limited in choices:
* Modem for each machine @ $39.99 (lowest cost option) - 50 MB = 2000/month!
* Telemetry data isn't as expensive (I don't know the rates), but the data isn't fast and it's still not as good of a price (last I remember). And, I have to purchase a separate modem and try to make everything work together! Holy cow that stinks!

LTE / Open Network:
I upgrade m...
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Azeron

Jan 10, 2010, 4:24 PM
Verizon has Telemetry rate plans available for businesses.
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Jayshmay

Jan 11, 2010, 2:27 AM
What I don't think these wireless companies understand is that we live in a multimedia centric world, these days megabytes are what kilobytes were ten years ago, megabytes are NOTHING, and how much multimedia there is out there these days makes even 5GB's NOTHING, hulu, streaming Netflix, news clips, porn, theres a whole lot of video out there.

I'd probably be able to predict my usage, probably never more than 50GB's in a single month, lots of Hulu, lots of news clips & porn.

These companies don't understand, this isn't the 90's anymore! ! !
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andy2373

Jan 11, 2010, 2:27 PM

These companies don't understand, this isn't the 90's anymore! ! !

Um, I think they do. 😲

Wireless carriers in the U.S. are very interested in selling adult content, but they need to figure out how to do it without making their stockholders panic, said Farley Cahen, vice president for new media at adult publishing house Digital Playground.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2357934,00.asp »
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Jayshmay

Jan 11, 2010, 2:46 PM
What I meant by saying this isn' the 90's anymore is that there is way, way too much video content on the web to be counting peoples usage with stupid mb's.
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Azeron

Jan 11, 2010, 10:30 PM
Exactly. LTE is dead to me if they place a limit.
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Sigma1570

Jan 11, 2010, 8:18 PM
The problem is they do understand how much data people want to use and they also understand that the wireless networks currently can't support that kind of usage without crashing. I think a tiered system is a great idea.
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Jayshmay

Jan 11, 2010, 8:32 PM
Well doesn't 4G have a lot more capacity? Multiple Input Multiple Output (MIMO).

Personally I think 40-50GB's/mo would be sufficent for me.

Whatever they end up pricing it at the speed better justify the price. The faster it is, the more I'd be willing to pay.
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Sigma1570

Jan 11, 2010, 8:45 PM
It is supposed to be able to handle higher volume but more and more people are going to be using it as speeds and customer experiences improve.

What I think is funny is that verizon can announce tiered pricing and the fanboys don't balk like they did when there was a rumor that at&t might tier their data rates. They both would be doing it to properly bill according to usage.
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Jayshmay

Jan 11, 2010, 8:50 PM
Well I suppose we'll know more concrete info somewhere around May/June, (just a guess).
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mycool

Jan 12, 2010, 8:03 AM
Because Verizon is talking about tiered pricing on a 4G Open Network that isn't even out yet.

AT&T wanted to do it to the iPhone user community who already own the devices and wouldn't have any alternative choice in the matter.
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epik

Jan 13, 2010, 12:48 PM
Sometimes fanboys drop the ball.
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CellStudent

Jan 12, 2010, 2:00 AM
Jayshmay said:
Well doesn't 4G have a lot more capacity? Multiple Input Multiple Output (MIMO).

Personally I think 40-50GB's/mo would be sufficent for me.

Whatever they end up pricing it at the speed better justify the price. The faster it is, the more I'd be willing to pay.


Do not confuse capacity and speed with cost effectiveness! While even conservative numbers put LTE performing 10x as fast as a good EVDO rev A. connection, the actual cost savings is NOT 10x or anywhere near it!

The best estimates I've seen for cost of operation (after all the towers are paid for) is a 50% reduction in cost-per-MB to deliver 4G wireless compared to 3G wireless data.

That means that a 10x increase in usage...
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Azeron

Jan 11, 2010, 10:29 PM
Don't you mean porn, Hulu, porn, streaming audio and more porn? News clips? Seriously?
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Jayshmay

Jan 11, 2010, 11:33 PM
Yeah I meant porn first, but I wasn't too sure how other people on PS were and if I might get reported to Rich for making mention of "porn"
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Menno

Jan 12, 2010, 8:40 AM
OMG! JAY is talking about what people will use a new technology for! REPORT HIM !111!!!!
😎
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epik

Jan 13, 2010, 12:50 PM
I only read online porn for the news clips...
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