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Cingy 1q Numbers

wfine81

Apr 27, 2005, 3:07 PM
1.42 net adds
2.2 Churn
Arpu -3.3

Insider numbers out today
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BetterThanJake

Apr 27, 2005, 3:11 PM
wfine81 said:
1.42 net adds
2.2 Churn
Arpu -3.3

Insider numbers out today


Compare to Verizon 1q numbers:

1.64m net adds
1.3 churn
Arpu +2.0

3 for 3 over Cingular... boo yah! 🙂
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mmcnier

Apr 27, 2005, 3:34 PM
At the end of the day, it doesnt matter how well or how bad the quarted was. The fact still remains... Cingular is currently #1, weather the growth was natural or not. It doesnt matter what VZW did in the past or what they will future. Right NOW is what counts. Right NOW Cingular is #1.

BTW... You guys had a 1.6 million addition to the family... The difference is only 200,000 customers. Is it really THAT big of a victory? I think not, because Cingular is still on top. Last I checked, Cingular still had 6.6 million more subscribers than you.
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wfine81

Apr 27, 2005, 3:40 PM
I wasnt trying to brag, just stating numbers 🙄
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mmcnier

Apr 27, 2005, 3:50 PM
Me too... You guys had a 1.6 million addition to the family... The difference is only 200,000 customers. Even though the website was not update with the total amount of subscribers, is it really THAT big of a victory? I think not, because Cingular is still on top. I checked & it said - First-quarter Verizon Wireless record of 1.64 million net customer additions, up 18.0 percent; 45.5 million total customers, up 16.8 percent I did the math &, Cingular still had 4.9 million more subscribers than you. At the end of the day... Cingular is still number 1 & that is what counts!
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BeachSlapped

Apr 27, 2005, 3:59 PM
mmcnier said:
Me too... You guys had a 1.6 million addition to the family... The difference is only 200,000 customers. Even though the website was not update with the total amount of subscribers, is it really THAT big of a victory? I think not, because Cingular is still on top. I checked & it said - First-quarter Verizon Wireless record of 1.64 million net customer additions, up 18.0 percent; 45.5 million total customers, up 16.8 percent I did the math &, Cingular still had 4.9 million more subscribers than you. At the end of the day... Cingular is still number 1 & that is what counts!


Network reliability counts too, as well as customer satisfaction and customer care.
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BetterThanJake

Apr 27, 2005, 6:23 PM
BeachSlapped said:
Network reliability counts too, as well as customer satisfaction and customer care.

Yup. And churn, and profits, and adds. All of which are things that VZW outperformed Cingy in.
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Al_Swearengen

Apr 27, 2005, 7:03 PM
BetterThanJake said:
BeachSlapped said:
Network reliability counts too, as well as customer satisfaction and customer care.

Yup. And churn, and profits, and adds. All of which are things that VZW outperformed Cingy in.


Don't forget arrogance. They beat everyone hands down at that.
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BetterThanJake

Apr 27, 2005, 7:38 PM
I dunno... Cingy has some pretty arrogant fans. I think Kingfrog beat us all hands-down in that.
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bigdaddyjay

Apr 27, 2005, 7:58 PM
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BetterThanJake

Apr 27, 2005, 3:40 PM
Actually VZW now has 45.5 million customers- the 43.8 figure is BEFORE this quarter's adds. So they're 4.9m behind, not 6.6.

Cingular is #1 in total customers only. VZW is beating them in adds, churn, profits, arpu gains, customer service, you name it. And who's to say VZW won't do what cingular did and write a check to buy a few million customers via merger? Yeah, everyone says the antitrust guys won't let it happen, but its not like they're going to buy a 20+ million customer national carrier like cingular did anyway. Buying just a good-sized regional would put them ahead.

Enjoy being #1 at the one thing you're #1 in, while it lasts. I got a feeling it won't be that way for too long, paper champ.

(Also- we had cingular guy in here...
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wfine81

Apr 27, 2005, 3:44 PM
Yes 45.5 mill is correct, HOWEVER dont get ****y and start stuff, its only 1 quarter.
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BetterThanJake

Apr 27, 2005, 3:45 PM
PS- A thank you to VZWVan, whose post elsewhere I cut-copy-pasted and added to a bit, as it said it better than I could. Don't want to be accused of uncredited plagarism. 🙂
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Al_Swearengen

Apr 27, 2005, 3:46 PM
BetterThanJake said:
Actually VZW now has 45.5 million customers- the 43.8 figure is BEFORE this quarter's adds. So they're 4.9m behind, not 6.6.

Cingular is #1 in total customers only. VZW is beating them in adds, churn, profits, arpu gains, customer service, you name it. And who's to say VZW won't do what cingular did and write a check to buy a few million customers via merger? Yeah, everyone says the antitrust guys won't let it happen, but its not like they're going to buy a 20+ million customer national carrier like cingular did anyway. Buying just a good-sized regional would put them ahead.

Enjoy being #1 at the one thing you're #1 in, while it lasts. I got a feeling it won't be that way for too long, paper cha
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VZWVan

Apr 27, 2005, 3:49 PM
Y'know actually I think its the other way around... Cingular had the momentum for one shining moment when the merger gave them all the headlines, and now they've gone and lost the momentum.

Don't get me wrong, they'll keep fighting hard, but I think it'll be Verizon's game to lose from here on out. 🙂
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Al_Swearengen

Apr 27, 2005, 4:39 PM
VZWVan said:
Y'know actually I think its the other way around... Cingular had the momentum for one shining moment when the merger gave them all the headlines, and now they've gone and lost the momentum.

Don't get me wrong, they'll keep fighting hard, but I think it'll be Verizon's game to lose from here on out. 🙂


Well, here's to a fun game.
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bigdaddyjay

Apr 27, 2005, 5:44 PM
Be careful, you don't have game!
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mmcnier

Apr 27, 2005, 5:51 PM
Are you like a gangsta? How about Digital Pimp? Cuz I am a Gaysta and that beats you anyday...
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muchdrama

Apr 27, 2005, 6:15 PM
mmcnier said:
Are you like a gangsta? How about Digital Pimp? Cuz I am a Gaysta and that beats you anyday...
"Gaysta"?
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bigdaddyjay

Apr 27, 2005, 7:58 PM
Never heard the term, must be a Cingular thing.
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mmcnier

Apr 28, 2005, 9:29 AM
Actually... gayster refers to a ghetto fabulous gay man... I am one & i will claw your eyes out if given the chance... Cingular is #1 & you cant handle it.
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VZWVan

Apr 28, 2005, 9:44 AM
mmcnier said:
Actually... gayster refers to a ghetto fabulous gay man... I am one & i will claw your eyes out if given the chance... Cingular is #1 & you cant handle it.

Ok so youre outing yourself among a bunch of strangers- why? Its not like any one really cares about what you do with other consenting adults.
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bigdaddyjay

Apr 27, 2005, 4:17 PM
mmcnier said:
At the end of the day, it doesnt matter how well or how bad the quarted was. The fact still remains... Cingular is currently #1, weather the growth was natural or not. It doesnt matter what VZW did in the past or what they will future. Right NOW is what counts. Right NOW Cingular is #1.

BTW... You guys had a 1.6 million addition to the family... The difference is only 200,000 customers. Is it really THAT big of a victory? I think not, because Cingular is still on top. Last I checked, Cingular still had 6.6 million more subscribers than you.


This is the same arrogance that Cingular had in 2001 when they formed and were going to kick Verizon's butt. The sad thing is that until Cingular b...
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mmcnier

Apr 27, 2005, 4:24 PM
The thing I asked is why do people complain about the growth not being natural. Verizons growth was not natural. They gained a large customer base the same way Cingular did... Through mergers. You can not dispute this FACT.
schnozejt said:So, Cingular becoming #1 is directly correlated to ATT merger and VZW's success has an indirect correlation to its many mergers.

At&t just happened to be a very LARGE merger. Yes, Verizon had many LITTLE mergers... but a merger is a merger is a merger.
Also... by your standard, VZW is just as guilty of the same thing


VZW's success has an indirect correlation to its many mergers.


IMO, they are even worse, since they had to merge with MANY
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mmcnier

Apr 27, 2005, 3:52 PM
Your company is lazy... They have not even updated the "ABOUT US" page.
VZWVan said:
Cingular is #1 in total customers only. VZW is beating them in adds, churn, profits, arpu gains, you name it. blockquote>
None of that matters to me... What matters to me AS A CUSTOMER, is how well the company is doing for me. Personally, I do not feel that VZW is the company to fulfil my needs. Cingular does.

Also what matters to me is how large the company is... and right now Cingular is #1.

I know it must be eating everyone alive right now, but it is a basic fact. Cingular is number one right now. At the end of the day, it doesnt matter how well or how bad the quarted was. The fact still remains... Cingular is currently #1, we
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Digital Pimp

Apr 27, 2005, 4:29 PM
Cingular is LAZY in customer service...and lazier at adding new customers....argument settled...your gaining no headway here bro. I have read all your posts and all of them are like a carbon copy of the other. Cingular has the most customers because of spending $40 billion dollars on AT&T period. But gee it didn't help the company buying them as far as company growth per quarter right? ok..then go back to the Cingular forum..thank you and have a nice day.

VZW #1 in all EXCEPT not buying a large company to compete with Cingular buying a large company. GO VZW! 😈
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bigdaddyjay

Apr 27, 2005, 4:35 PM
Now what would happen if VZW bought Alltel or U.S. Cellular? Voila, bigger than Cingular! The idiots working for Cingular do not realize that bewtween Alltel and U.S. Cellular there are over 13 million customers available using CDMA networks.

Who can Cingular buy to stay ahead??? T-Mobile already turned them down and it would be to expensive to buy a CDMA carrier and convert them.

It is only a matter of time and Cingular will be number 2 again and it must really suck for the people at Cingular knowing this and watching VZW add more customers in the first quarter. The funny thing is that I really don't think VZW is that worried about being number one, it appears they want to keep customers, win awards, and make money. I guess th...
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BetterThanJake

Apr 27, 2005, 6:18 PM
You're right... but be nice! 😳
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bigdaddyjay

Apr 27, 2005, 7:37 PM
I am, Stupid Brainless Cowboys is the PG version, the other is Buttbleepin Cowboys 🤣
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wfine81

Apr 27, 2005, 4:35 PM
Seriously people it is time to grow up and stop this stupid arguing, BOTH SIDES drop it!
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Al_Swearengen

Apr 27, 2005, 4:40 PM
I think you overestimate the maturity of your audience, Mr. Fine.
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