Which carrier would you suggest?
I'm not sure how AT&T does it yet. I dont like the fact that Verizon charges airtime too, when sending pictures though. Anyway, to cut it short, which carrier would you people recommend for a camera phone service. I would appreciate the info.
It really depends on what is important to you.
You say that picture sending is important to you. That could also mean that in general data services are important.
For picture sending and general data services Sprint PCS is the best choice IF they cover the areas you need covered. If not Verizon is a better choice. Neither Sprint nor Verizon send pictures to a website, they go right to a phone or email address. The difference is between (I will quote the slow side for both) 20kbps for T-Mobile and 50kbps for Verizon and Sprint.
If general coverage is your concern for voice then look at where you want the phone to work and choose according to actual co...
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kingfrog77 said:
Not Verizon! In Atlantic City NJ those who I am working with here that are from the west coast cannot get reliable signals. I live in Las Vegas and my ATT contract is on month to month and I'm looking to switch. I thought since Verizon is more expensive they were in turn more reliable in terms of location. But I travel a lot and since some of my west coast Verizon users are having issues here...Well I would suggest IF the ATT and Cingular deal goes through..that will be the carrier to select.....
Is it just me or are all the ATT customers on this forum angry at the world for their poor choice in carriers? Honestly, I see Cingular, Tmobile, Sprint, and Nextel customers talk things over in ...
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In any case a Verizon rep verified my story and reccommended Cingular for Atlantic City aon't get and Las Vegas if the phone is going to be used in both places. Don't get me wrong I have been with ATT for years and I am satisfied with them except I moved to a house where my TDMA signal was weak but was hesitant to go GSM as ATT was way behind the ball there. Now that Cingular is buying them, I think that will be the way to go. I do not think ATT is a poor choice any more, but since I am month to month I was checking out other carries and yes I did find Verizon to reflect an arrogance and take it or leave ...
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kingfrog77 said:...
Its definatly you. I called like I saw it. ATT and Cingular will most likely be the best service all around, especially for the price.
In any case a Verizon rep verified my story and reccommended Cingular for Atlantic City aon't get and Las Vegas if the phone is going to be used in both places. Don't get me wrong I have been with ATT for years and I am satisfied with them except I moved to a house where my TDMA signal was weak but was hesitant to go GSM as ATT was way behind the ball there. Now that Cingular is buying them, I think that will be the way to go. I do not think ATT is a poor choice any more, but since I am month to month I was checking out other carries and yes I did find Verizon to refle
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Cingular and ATTWS have much higher churn rates than VZW. Only Nextel and U.S. Cellular have churn rates nearly as low as VZW.
VZW is also adding over 1.5 million customers per quarter. This is wishful thinking on the part of someone to say they will take market share from VZW.
As a dealer I can say that they do more things right than they do wrong. They are the biggest beneficiary of LNP. They own the JD Power and Associates award for customer satisfaction.
Keep in mind that it is the customers themselves who give these ratings.
Nokia's market share diminished because their CDMA phones absolutely stank because th...
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No company is bullet proof, even Verizon. Nokia is not doing bad at all despite their refusal to go with the flow. They are still the biggest seller of phones and is turning around.....Perhaps even mighty Verizon can learn a lesson before they need to!
But this is one voice and I represent only myself and that does not really matter I suppose because again, Verizon is the or soon will be the biggest, if not the friendliest carrier.
kingfrog77 said:
One has issues with them.....their arrogance as well as yours is undeserved.....
Please explain how us Verizon Sales reps are arrogant, and whatever you consider 'arrogant', please explain how our success is undeserved.
-Verizon Wireless Sales
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The attiude is not the same as with the other services when shopping for a carrier. I have been to numerous kiosks and questioned about pricing and value for the added cost.I question why Verizon does not have the 'middle" plan all the other carriers have. Just regional and national. The answers I recieved in every location were "Verizon is the leader" and "yes it is more expensive and has less plan options but the coverage is the best" (Not to my coworkers here in Atlantic City from Las Vegas) and they are worth more because they are better and use the fact that they have the most customers as evi...
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kingfrog77 said:...
By arrogance, well see above for an example.."40 million can't be wrong" That may be a rep or fan-boy but it seems fitting for Verizon.......
The attiude is not the same as with the other services when shopping for a carrier. I have been to numerous kiosks and questioned about pricing and value for the added cost.I question why Verizon does not have the 'middle" plan all the other carriers have. Just regional and national. The answers I recieved in every location were "Verizon is the leader" and "yes it is more expensive and has less plan options but the coverage is the best" (Not to my coworkers here in Atlantic City from Las Vegas) and they are worth more because they are better and use the fact tha
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85percent said:
I'm going to bring this argument back to the car comparison. When you walk into a BMW dealership and a Honda dealership, there is a different attitude you receive from each place. Arrogance? maybe a little. Why? because I'm sure you'd have more pride selling BMW's than Honda's (besides the pay), if you believe in and become interested in what you sell, there's a big attitude difference. 😉
-Verizon Wireless Sales
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well put, I just dont have the tact to deal with people like Kingfrog. It's like dealing with a 2 year old
....why why why why why....
They were working for the best. No doubt. The company's product became a verb it was so popular and stong. All that arrogance and pride killed the company as Xerox is now a runnur up to all the lesser companies that stole customers away with humility and more than that value.Xerox was more expensive because it was a Xerox....and every business had one or twenty. I know this is hard for you to believe but there are many examples in business where this is evidant. Apple Computer. IBM.AOL.....Many innovators, now less then half of what they were. Even Micro...
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ATTWS could say that their high ARPU is that they have a lot of high using business customers that drive it up. This is interesting when VZW has the most business customers followed by Nextel with ATTWS third.
VZW is investing way more back into their network than any other carrier except maybe for Sprint.
VZW is not throwing out 3000 minutes for $49.99 like T-Mobile is but VZW customers can make calls all over the local area. T-Mo is finished within 5-10 miles of the Interstate 5 corridor.
Value is more than just a discounted price it also involves a quality ...
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I am not part of the exclusive club who's self worth and worth of others is represented and judged by a label or measured in dollars.
From what I have read the GSM network world wide has 4X the users as CDMA.(200 million vs 50 million) That speaks loudly to me since GSM is the newer technology. The carriers on the "Wal Mart" GSM networks have many more customers world wide as well and will get better. Im not surprised you would compare those "lesser" carriers with Wal Mart as if it were beneath you.
Cingular is a great value and has good enough coverage for many. Here in Atlantic City there's no value for Verizon customers...and that fro...
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Also regarding GSM vs. CDMA, GSM is actually the older technology, hence the reason why it has more users nation...
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I do not feel that what VZW has is arrogance it is pride. Are you more likely to buy from a sales rep who says we have the best product or from a sales rep who says our product is OK, I guess it is pretty good. 99% of people are going to buy from the salesman who is confident in and proud of what they are selling.
Verizon sales reps lead you to believe there are NO dead areas and have the best coverage. The latter IS true but it seems in largeer populated areas they have their fair share of droppouts and coverage issues. So their "larger" coverage area seems to be in areas where few travel or need coverage, lke back roads in Montana or Louisiana.
I think Verizon is probably the best choice for an OTR truck ...
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kingfrog77 said:...
Samsung is the only brand I'd buy there. I don't know why they don't have Motorola. They get good ratings and is the phone of choice right now on other boards here. Verizon tells me they are buggy...I think its a way to gloss over the better prices they get from the likes of Audiovox. Mots aren't cheap, and they are not as bad as one would read on this paticular Carrier's forum.
Obviously you don't read the issues of CDMA carriers. GSM is a cheap technology which is easy to mass manufacture phones for.
In CDMA there are 2 types of phones; those with the Qualcomm chipset and those which have problems. Motorola has chosen to not use the Qualcomm chipset and so they are very
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But you have answered a question for me never the less. I have nevr had an issue with Motorola and Nokia the only brands I have used with ATT for the past 8 or so years. MAny people shop for phones first then a carrier. I found myself doing the same here. I picked my phone of choice an...
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I will tell you what I cannot live with. I can't live with not having reliable service at my destination and in this case it's Atlantic City NJ and there are not many happy Verizon customers here! If a company advertises the best coverage I would hope they have coverage in the major destination spots where other carriers have great coverage. That would be the lea...
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I would bet nationwide more people buy clothes at Wal Mart. Value is about bang for the buck!
I am not part of the exclusive club who's self worth and worth of others is represented and judged by a label or measured in dollars.
From what I have read the GSM network world wide has 4X the users as CDMA.(200 million vs 50 million) That speaks loudly to me since GSM is the newer technology. The carriers on the "Wal Mart" GSM networks have many more customers world wide as well and will get better. Im not surprised you would compare those "lesser" carriers with Wal Mart as if it were beneath you.
Cingular is a great value and has good enough coverage for many. Here in Atlantic City there's no value
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In answer to the Cingular question. They offer 450 plus roll over (which I believe is a good value as you paid for the minutes and have your year's contract to use them) There is no roaming and nights begin at 7PM for $47.00. I like the SIM based phones and the European use of the phone.
The technology with both GSM/CDMA has its plus and minuses. In fact Im not so against CDMA as I think Sprint has a better option than Verizon with their Pay as you go flex plan. (I think Sprint might share towers with Verizon as well)If I were to go with Sprint it would be because of the flex plan and 7PM nights. That seems a much better value for CDMA ...
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kingfrog77 said:
All Carriers have coverage issues, but that is a temporary situation at best and GSM/TDMA will surpass CDMA at some point.It may have already with the ATT/Cingular deal. I believe in the LONG term since GSM is still new and being built out once the R&D is paid for the prices will fall below CDMA carrier rates as well.
kingfrog77 said:
All Carriers have coverage issues, but that is a temporary situation at best and GSM/TDMA will surpass CDMA at some point.It may have already with the ATT/Cingular deal. I believe in the LONG term since GSM is still new and being built out once the R&D is paid for the prices will fall below CDMA carrier rates as well.
🤭 Hit the submit button befor I was ready to sorry.
I don't believe you have been tracking the industry as well as you would like.
GSM is only a stepping stone for Cingular/ATTWS to WCDMA. WCDMA is very problem prone but the arrogance of the EU won't allow for the implementation of CDMA2000.
Even in Europe GSM's days are numbered. THe European governments hav...
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I hope that my replies don't in any way make you feel insulted or belittled. You are just like most people looking for reality in this messed up industry. Sales reps are for the most part very uninformed. I am one so I can say this and cast stones at my own colleagues.
Keep looking and reading.
I am amazed at the things I have heard when I shop the competition. Things like:
"Verizon will soon be switching to GSM"
"Sprint doesn't even support text messaging"
"T-Mobile customers roam free on Verizon's network so it doesn't matter"
"Sprint's network always crashes." etc. etc. etc.
I don't shop Verizon or Sprint reps but I hear some humdingers in my store which I am forced to correct.
It's not about making a sales pit...
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SPCSVZWJeff said:
Mr.Kingfrog77,
I hope that my replies don't in any way make you feel insulted or belittled. You are just like most people looking for reality in this messed up industry. Sales reps are for the most part very uninformed. I am one so I can say this and cast stones at my own colleagues.
I don't shop Verizon or Sprint reps but I hear some humdingers in my store which I am forced to correct.
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hey hey.. 👿
Sales reps in my area actually correct the customer service reps with information the majority of the time. I have no intent on making commission by helping people in this forum, however I do so on my own accord.
-Verizon Wireless Sales
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My questions to Verizon now are
How much as a percentage is analog in Verizon's vasy netwok?
Why doesn't Verizon use mainstream phones from Nokia and Motorola?
The answer I always recive on this one is Motorola is buggy and Verizon wants to ensure all thins will be perfect..how ever I would rather hear Nokia and Motorola are focused on GSM becasue Nokia is a European company andor Motorola feels they can get a better price for their phones from GSM carriers selling bells and whistles to teenagers. That seems more plausable. If it were not for the Samsung V680 I w...
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These 40 million customers chose Verizon because they felt it was a great value, not because their arm was twisted. I have represented several wireless carriers and Verizon customers don't mind signing a new 2 year agreement by and large...
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Im not an analog fan due to battery life....But its seeming analog is the highway signa;...I don't really know but Im reading the forums and seeking information. The biggest issue with Verizon is really not the sales but the phones for me. I like Mot and Nokia. Samsung is the only real choice as far as I can see there.
With $5.00 internet, Verizon is bette than the $15 Sprint offering. But I use a phone for calling mostly, not pictures or the other fluff like ringtones, screen savers etc.
I suppose I'll keep reading and make a choice soon. Time is on my side and I kind of like the M2M service as I do have options.
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I would bet nationwide more people buy clothes at Wal Mart. Value is about bang for the buck!
I am not part of the exclusive club who's self worth and worth of others is represented and judged by a label or measured in dollars.
From what I have read the GSM network world wide has 4X the users as CDMA.(200 million vs 50 million) That speaks loudly to me since GSM is the newer technology. The carriers on the "Wal Mart" GSM networks have many more customers world wide as well and will get better. Im not surprised you would compare those "lesser" carriers with Wal Mart as if it were beneath you.
Cingular is a great value and has good enough coverage for many. Here in Atlantic City there's no value
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I wish I would have learned that lesson sooner in life..but Im 47...many don't unlock the golden handcuffs till much later in life!!
Just because we may not have the best reception in Atlantic city, doesn't mean that stands true for us across the country.
If Verizon Wireless doesn't work for you in your area, then it doesn't make sense for you to use our service, let alone hang around our forum day after day to complain about it.
-Verizon Wireless Sales
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Every once in a while,85, you say something like this that is so true and to the point. I Applaud you here once again.
I would not consider ATT dirty cloths with holes or Cingular or Sprint for that matter. That statement is out of line and sheds no information on why Verizon is the better choice. Bashing competition is the worse thing to do when selling. i don't think they teach that at Verizon school though, it seems thats all they know. becasue they can't sell their lackluster phones and mega analog service.....Don't convince one to buy Verizon by knockiing other carriers. Prove why Verizon is a better teconolgy with fact and useful information!
I know many of your customers are unhappy GSM owners and they feed that fire....but many are also buying for the first time and or see...
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Every company competes with its greatest asset, and where the asset isn't equal to competition they compete with discounts. At least this is what business schools teach.
ATTWS collects more from every customer than any other provider including Nextel. They don't advertise discounts as a brand position so they have felt pretty good about their offering until lately.
T-Mobile and Cingular hype price on every ad so I take it they aren't confident that their network and their customer service are attributes that can they can compete with.
ATTWS, Cingular, T-Mo, Dobson and the Europeans have just begun the conversion that VZW, Sprint and KDDI have completed.
GSM carriers have some very turb...
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The fact is that you have been given the facts and choose not to listen to them.
Fact -- In February Consumer Reports published their testing of cellular phones and VZW rated #1 in each of the 12 cities where they did their testing. No other carrier was that consistent in every city.
Fact -- Consumer Reports in that same issue also rated VZW as the customer service in the industry based on their consumer survey.
Fact -- J.D. Powers and Associates has awarded VZW as the top customer service in the cellular industry.
Fact -- Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Washington Post, Boston Globe have all published articles stating that VZW is the best cellular provider in the country.
Fact -- Latest American ...
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I have been reading about the internet portion of the cellular services and understand the 2.5G 3G issue. Although I do not use the web based services much I am curious about the EVDO replacement of WiFi, cable and DSL I have read.
I have also read though WiFI in the urban centers will end up sapping the market for 3G services.
Realize I have no issue with Verizon services. My experience with Verizon has come only through the representatives which I felt could have done a better job at selling rather than defending.
The fact that most people use Verizon does worry me a little in terms of the user p...
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kingfrog77 said:
Aand you attitude is total representation of most Verizon sales reps....
I would not consider ATT dirty cloths with holes or Cingular or Sprint for that matter. That statement is out of line and sheds no information on why Verizon is the better choice. Bashing competition is the worse thing to do when selling. i don't think they teach that at Verizon school though, it seems thats all they know. becasue they can't sell their lackluster phones and mega analog service.....Don't convince one to buy Verizon by knockiing other carriers. Prove why Verizon is a better teconolgy with fact and useful information!
I don't knock other carriers, I don't need to. But you kept asking, "why do you have...
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kingfrog77 said:Obviously you haven't heard the phrase "human nature".
I personally would not have more "pride" selling a BMW over a Honda as I don't buy into that world. If Im a good salesperson I would have equal pride selling whatever I am making my living selling...any more than that is snobbery and arrogance and theres no place for that in sales over the long run.
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By arrogance, well see above for an example.."40 million can't be wrong" That may be a rep or fan-boy but it seems fitting for Verizon.......
The attiude is not the same as with the other services when shopping for a carrier. I have been to numerous kiosks and questioned about pricing and value for the added cost.I question why Verizon does not have the 'middle" plan all the other carriers have. Just regional and national. The answers I recieved in every location were "Verizon is the leader" and "yes it is more expensive and has less plan options but the coverage is the best" (Not to my coworkers here in Atlantic City from Las Vegas) and they are worth more because they are better and use the fact tha
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Chances are service will suffer before it gets better. In many markets this is what happened to Verizon. there were problems and growing pains. They are on the other side of this now and are an excellent almost seamless network.
The combined Cingular/ATTWS company will most likely suffer from capacity issues since they are committed to GSM. Capacity issues will intensify when they attempt to roll out WCDMA.
For a GSM carrier the absolute worst thing is to oversell their network capacity. They may have the same exodus that ATTWS has now over an extended period of time and like DoCoMo in Japan get a serious black eye in the public's opinion of them.
Dataquest said:
But it seems that T-mobile is best for picture sending because when you send them, they go right where you want them to go, not to a website where the receiving person gets a link to the picture and has to get it through the link, which is a pain in the butt. Sprint does it this way.
I'm not sure how AT&T does it yet. I dont like the fact that Verizon charges airtime too, when sending pictures though. Anyway, to cut it short, which carrier would you people recommend for a camera phone service. I would appreciate the info.
Verizon and Sprint both use CDMA. Although, because we are able to spend the money on a more enhanced data network (VZW), we have. (1XRTT, EVDO). As far as how the pict...
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