The pending Blackberry Blackhole..
So, if the court rules in favor of the small company and shuts down the blackberry push software, and they force everyone to use the "backup" plan, does this constitute a change of service agreement with VZW?
And does that entitle Blackberry owners to opt out of their previously agreed upon contracts?
I spoke to three different VZW customer service reps. and got three different answers..
The "backup" plan allegedly takes even longer to receive your email and doesn't store your messages when your out of range.
Any one with a clue?
And does that entitle Blackberry owners to opt out of their previously agreed upon contracts?
I spoke to three different VZW customer service reps. and got three different answers..
The "backup" plan allegedly takes even longer to receive your email and doesn't store your messages when your out of range.
Any one with a clue?
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This would not be a change in service agreement, as any change is not due to any negligence or fault of Verizon. Why is it that everyone is always looking for an angle?
I (nor does anyone else) don't know how the judge is going to rule in this case. We all probably have our ideas but until he makes a ruling know one knows.
If the ruling is against RIM, I don't believe it will be an immediate shutdown. I would guess there will be a 60 day period, during which the providers offering Blackberry service will determine (if they haven't done so already) and announce the options for those currently using the service.
I would guess the options will be scaled in relation to where you are in your contract with those in the earliest stages of...
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I (nor does anyone else) don't know how the judge is going to rule in this case. We all probably have our ideas but until he makes a ruling know one knows.
If the ruling is against RIM, I don't believe it will be an immediate shutdown. I would guess there will be a 60 day period, during which the providers offering Blackberry service will determine (if they haven't done so already) and announce the options for those currently using the service.
I would guess the options will be scaled in relation to where you are in your contract with those in the earliest stages of...
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"Why is it that everyone is always looking for an angle?"
hahha. very true. it is Rimm's fault not verizon's.
yes, its from a 30-90 day grace period consumers have to switch.. it will be determined by the courts, ntp and rimm.
hahha. very true. it is Rimm's fault not verizon's.
yes, its from a 30-90 day grace period consumers have to switch.. it will be determined by the courts, ntp and rimm.
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WORD i think if anyone should have to pony up for etf's it should be RIM its not verizons, t-mobiles, cingulars or anyone else's fault that RIM violated any patents 😡
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It isn’t any of the carriers’ faults at this situation, it is Rimm's fault for violating these patents in question and they should be paid for their wrongdoings, but to request an injunction is a very wrong thing to do especially when many people depend on the device for a means of communications.
I also agree with you that if a consumer wants to switch out of the plan they should be able to without having to pay the ETF as well as to get a value for the blackberry that they will either trade in or get money back, especially since this is Rimm’s fault.
I don’t like how the people on here and who I talk to blame the carriers for these types of things that aren’t controllable by the carriers. Shame on them.
It isn’t any of the carriers’ faults at this situation, it is Rimm's fault for violating these patents in question and they should be paid for their wrongdoings, but to request an injunction is a very wrong thing to do especially when many people depend on the device for a means of communications.
I also agree with you that if a consumer wants to switch out of the plan they should be able to without having to pay the ETF as well as to get a value for the blackberry that they will either trade in or get money back, especially since this is Rimm’s fault.
I don’t like how the people on here and who I talk to blame the carriers for these types of things that aren’t controllable by the carriers. Shame on them.
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wow, we talk about this too much, and it is on the main page i advise you to take a look at it..
first off, if there is an injunction that will be enforced there will be a 30-90 day grace period determined by rimm, the courts and ntp for consumers to try to find other means of communications.. once that injunction is ordered, the workaround software will be available to install it. this will not violate any agreements with any carrier that the consumer already has if there is a problem, however, it would if the workaround doesnt work and if the injunction does stand and if there are no settlements.
very good website= http://www.rim.net/news/press/2006/pr-09_02_2 006-01.shtml
"Multi-Mode Edition Software: RIM has incorporated the wor...
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first off, if there is an injunction that will be enforced there will be a 30-90 day grace period determined by rimm, the courts and ntp for consumers to try to find other means of communications.. once that injunction is ordered, the workaround software will be available to install it. this will not violate any agreements with any carrier that the consumer already has if there is a problem, however, it would if the workaround doesnt work and if the injunction does stand and if there are no settlements.
very good website= http://www.rim.net/news/press/2006/pr-09_02_2 006-01.shtml
"Multi-Mode Edition Software: RIM has incorporated the wor...
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WOW.. A lot to swallow, no pun intended.
Assuming all that is true, I still feel a strong argument can be made that VZW as the "service" provider, is responsible for maintaining that service.
I agree that RIM provides & maintains the hardware and software that runs the BBs, however VZW still is the service provider.
"if" the court rules against RIM, it is VZW's responsibility to maintain the agreed upon service. Whatever that may be.
If my television breaks, I don't expect the cable company to replace my TV, but if I'm paying for specific channels and the cable company stops or "delays" those channels due to legal circumstances, I, the consumer shouldn't be expected to be locked into a contract to those channels.
Assuming all that is true, I still feel a strong argument can be made that VZW as the "service" provider, is responsible for maintaining that service.
I agree that RIM provides & maintains the hardware and software that runs the BBs, however VZW still is the service provider.
"if" the court rules against RIM, it is VZW's responsibility to maintain the agreed upon service. Whatever that may be.
If my television breaks, I don't expect the cable company to replace my TV, but if I'm paying for specific channels and the cable company stops or "delays" those channels due to legal circumstances, I, the consumer shouldn't be expected to be locked into a contract to those channels.
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Do you even understand how a BlackBerry works? I do, I support them at work.
VZW's network is only the means by which the data is transmitted. A corporation maintains a BES (BlackBerry Enterprise Server), BlackBerry maintins a server on the VZW network. When the client gets an e-mail, it is transmitted through a landline network to BlackBerry's server from the BES, which then sends it over the VZW network (or Cingular or T-mobile) to the BlackBerry. The ONLY interaction on VZW's part is to provide the means for transmittal, the rest is handled by the enterprise or BlackBerry. A desktop computer can also be configured to act as a re-direct server, but it's the same principle, the desktop replaces the BES, but only for one client.
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VZW's network is only the means by which the data is transmitted. A corporation maintains a BES (BlackBerry Enterprise Server), BlackBerry maintins a server on the VZW network. When the client gets an e-mail, it is transmitted through a landline network to BlackBerry's server from the BES, which then sends it over the VZW network (or Cingular or T-mobile) to the BlackBerry. The ONLY interaction on VZW's part is to provide the means for transmittal, the rest is handled by the enterprise or BlackBerry. A desktop computer can also be configured to act as a re-direct server, but it's the same principle, the desktop replaces the BES, but only for one client.
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Ok, maybe you're right..
I'm nervous that my BB won't work like it does now.
I'm nervous that my BB won't work like it does now.
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Well, Rimm the maker of the blackberry, isnt that stupid to make 3 million and 75 percent of its customer base and revenue just go away and be shu down. they will do anything they can to stop this potential injunction if it was going to be issue by the judge.
if it does happen that the injunction will be enforced consumers will have from 30-90 days of a grace period to switch to use other means or if Rimm successfuly implements their workaround solution with the OK of the courts and NTP then no one should worry.
i have a blackberry and i am not worried at all and you shouldnt be either. 🙂
if it does happen that the injunction will be enforced consumers will have from 30-90 days of a grace period to switch to use other means or if Rimm successfuly implements their workaround solution with the OK of the courts and NTP then no one should worry.
i have a blackberry and i am not worried at all and you shouldnt be either. 🙂
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verizon has no say in this situation what-so-ever becuase all they do is just provide the service and they arent responsible for any problems. remember, service providers and others cant guarantee service and they cant becuase of technology and its issues.
"the consumer shouldn't be expected to be locked into a contract to those channels."
this i agree with.
"the consumer shouldn't be expected to be locked into a contract to those channels."
this i agree with.
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