your welcome.. lol.

wnrussell said:
The whole Bluetooth / GetItNow! conflict is still a mystery. The USB cables and expansion cards allow more file transfer ability, and the GetItNow! files are locked to the ESN and can't be copied to another phone anyway.

This is true, but as it stands now, you cannot transfer your own mp3s and assign them as ringtones on verizon phones. That is more or less what the problem would be with voilating GetItNow!. If you could load your own ringtones, then you wouldn't need to pay for BREW services. That would violate VzW's contract with BREW.

djdelay said:
This is true, but as it stands now, you cannot transfer your own mp3s and assign them as ringtones on verizon phones. That is more or less what the problem would be with voilating GetItNow!. If you could load your own ringtones, then you wouldn't need to pay for BREW services. That would violate VzW's contract with BREW.

Right, but you missed my point. Verizon may have a duty to protect BREW services, but closing the door on Bluetooth does not accomplish that, when files are just as readily moved with data cables and expansion cards.

It's like turning off the USB port on the front of a computer, when there are two more on the rear, and thinking you have safeguarded the files someh...
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wnrussell said

Bluetooth is more restrictive than cable file transfer

Hi wnrussell, how is that?

I think what he means is that anything you can do with bluetooth, you can build a wired or cabled protocol to do it faster, better, and more reliably.

i.e. - A wireless keyboard won't always connect but a wired one will do so without fail.

what he fails to realize is that you cannot assign ringtones to VzW phns with a data cable unless you use an additional program that is not authorized. the bluetooth cripples also disable this.

djdelay said:
what he fails to realize is that you cannot assign ringtones to VzW phns with a data cable unless you use an additional program that is not authorized. the bluetooth cripples also disable this.

Actually, that was my point. You can't transfer GIN files over Bluetooth, but you can over a cable.

So what's the purpose of locking Bluetooth? It's like locking the windows and leaving the front door wide open. How does that make GIN more secure?

you have to use an unauthorized, warranty voiding program...........let me break it down for ya.........

unauthorized

adj 1: not endowed with authority [syn: unauthorised] [ant: authorized] 2: without official authorization; "an unauthorized strike"; "wildcat work stoppage" [syn: unauthorised, wildcat]¹

Pay close attention to definition number 2. That means that someone figured out a workaround for it. Just because someone got a workaround, should VzW cancel their policy and contract? I think not.






¹- from Dictionary.com

djdelay said:
you have to use an unauthorized, warranty voiding program...........let me break it down for ya.........

Not really. The Verizon data cable is not unauthorized, neither is an expansion card, neither is Motorola Mobile Phone Tools, and neither is the Verizon Connection Manager.

You can transfer files using any of those "authorized" products, and maybe more.

maybe not, but BitPim is.....and that's what you have to use. Not just MPT.

Mobile Phone Tools transfers everything Bluetooth does, and with a cable, you can get right to the root folder, which you can not see in 'My Bluetooth Places'. Here is the text, clipped right from the program:
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File Transfer Studio allows you to download your files (images, melodies, videos, applications, etc.) from your mobile phone to your PC and vice versa. Thanks to its user-friendly double-pane view, it allows quick and easy transfer.

Each pane contains tabs where your files are automatically stored according to their types (image, melody or video). Thus, it helps you with the exploration of your mobile phone.

This wizard will show you how to transfer files.

Click on one of the following link ...
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djdelay said:
maybe not, but BitPim is.....and that's what you have to use. Not just MPT.

Not true.

magellan said:

djdelay said:
maybe not, but BitPim is.....and that's what you have to use. Not just MPT.

Not true.

I thought we alrady went over this:

Mobile Phone Tools transfers everything Bluetooth does, and with a cable, you can get right to the root folder, which you can not see in 'My Bluetooth Places'. Here is the text, clipped right from the program:
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File Transfer Studio allows you to download your files (images, melodies, videos, applications, etc.) from your mobile phone to your PC and vice versa. Thanks to its user-friendly double-pane view, it allows quick and easy transfer.

Each pane contains tabs where your files are aut...
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gunny said:
wnrussell said

Bluetooth is more restrictive than cable file transfer

Hi wnrussell, how is that?

Bluetooth folder rights are usually limited to just a few permissions. On a Motorola for example, those would be audio, video, ringtone, picture and mixedmedia.

But with a Radio Shack or Verizon Mobile Office cable, you can open up all of the system folders, the BREW folder, basically the whole phone.

Anybody can copy a GIN-BREW file, but nobody can make that file work on another phone

wnrussell said:

gunny said:
wnrussell said

Bluetooth is more restrictive than cable file transfer

Hi wnrussell, how is that?

Bluetooth folder rights are usually limited to just a few permissions. On a Motorola for example, those would be audio, video, ringtone, picture and mixedmedia.

But with a Radio Shack or Verizon Mobile Office cable, you can open up all of the system folders, the BREW folder, basically the whole phone.

Anybody can copy a GIN-BREW file, but nobody can make that file work on another phone

thank you

thats where i was getting. i knoew that some earlier razrs supported obex but i was also under the impression that some of the e815's were obex.

sowhatsowhat10 said:
thats where i was getting. i knoew that some earlier razrs supported obex but i was also under the impression that some of the e815's were obex.

Only some of the Motorola E815 phones can be 'hacked' to have OBject EXchange. None of them came with it out of the box, except in Canada.

wnrussell said:
I think the GIN BT ban must be a hoax. Verizon is supporting Bluetooth tethering for $60 a month now.

If you're referring to BT tethering for modem use, that is still crippled on their phones. You have to use a data cable for that. It's going to be a while before Verizon fully supports bluetooth. For now, only expect them to support the headset profiles.

dave73 said:

wnrussell said:
I think the GIN BT ban must be a hoax. Verizon is supporting Bluetooth tethering for $60 a month now.

If you're referring to BT tethering for modem use, that is still crippled on their phones. You have to use a data cable for that. It's going to be a while before Verizon fully supports bluetooth. For now, only expect them to support the headset profiles.

Well, the new BroadBandAccess tethering plan became real on 2.6.2006. Read this:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1918150,00.asp »

The service is $59.99 per month, unlimited, and does everything your cable access can do. I Really like it.

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I think that is a problem as well though. BT tethering should work FOR FREE...it's an included function of the phone from the manufacturer that VZW is tinkering with so that they can charge for it.