RUFF1415 said:
I believe this is true. If Verizon was planning on changing their rates and plans I'm sure they would have done so long before now. I'm starting to believe more and more that Verizon is going to make a very big mistake by not implementing any changes. Cingular will definitely have the coverage to compete with Verizon, and their low prices might knock Verizon off of their feet. Hopefully then Verizon will realize the competition they're facing and do something about it.

Well...if history is any indicator, Verizon might be making the biggest gaffe in their short corporate history. We'll see.

RUFF1415 said:
I believe this is true. If Verizon was planning on changing their rates and plans I'm sure they would have done so long before now. I'm starting to believe more and more that Verizon is going to make a very big mistake by not implementing any changes. Cingular will definitely have the coverage to compete with Verizon, and their low prices might knock Verizon off of their feet. Hopefully then Verizon will realize the competition they're facing and do something about it.

I really dont know what you're referring to since Cingulars national plans only offer 50 more minutes than VZW on their price plans up to $79.99 and then from $99.99 and over they are the same minutes for the same price and...
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chris_lt1 said:

RUFF1415 said:
I believe this is true. If Verizon was planning on changing their rates and plans I'm sure they would have done so long before now. I'm starting to believe more and more that Verizon is going to make a very big mistake by not implementing any changes. Cingular will definitely have the coverage to compete with Verizon, and their low prices might knock Verizon off of their feet. Hopefully then Verizon will realize the competition they're facing and do something about it.

I really dont know what you're referring to since Cingulars national plans only offer 50 more minutes than VZW on their price plans up to $79.99 and then from $99.99 and over they are the

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VZWCustServ said:
How about the 9.99 secondary lines! That's what they are talking about. VZW charges $160 for 4 phones to share 2000 mins. Cingular charges $130 for 4 phones to share 2000 mins and they give roll-over. In my mind, $30/month is a good amount for a family of four.

Thats true...IF you're on a plan where the primary line is $49.99/mo and higher which for the normal user is the case but if you're that inclined to saving money a lot of people go with the cheapest plan possible in which case it would be more than $9.99/mo for the secondary lines and on the regional plans it is $19.99 per secondary line which is the same as VZW

chris_lt1 said:

RUFF1415 said:
I believe this is true. If Verizon was planning on changing their rates and plans I'm sure they would have done so long before now. I'm starting to believe more and more that Verizon is going to make a very big mistake by not implementing any changes. Cingular will definitely have the coverage to compete with Verizon, and their low prices might knock Verizon off of their feet. Hopefully then Verizon will realize the competition they're facing and do something about it.

I really dont know what you're referring to since Cingulars national plans only offer 50 more minutes than VZW on their price plans up to $79.99 and then from $99.99 and over they are the

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RUFF1415 said:

chris_lt1 said:

RUFF1415 said:
I believe this is true. If Verizon was planning on changing their rates and plans I'm sure they would have done so long before now. I'm starting to believe more and more that Verizon is going to make a very big mistake by not implementing any changes. Cingular will definitely have the coverage to compete with Verizon, and their low prices might knock Verizon off of their feet. Hopefully then Verizon will realize the competition they're facing and do something about it.

I really dont know what you're referring to since Cingulars national plans only offer 50 more minutes than VZW on their price plans up to $79.99 and the

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and the $240 prorated is only in SOME markets, in most it is $150 flat out...still lower than VZW

chris_lt1 said:

muchdrama said:
I've asked and asked and asked my Verizon reps (including some bigwigs from Verizon corporate visting my store) how the company intends to meet the new Cingular head on. And all I got for my effort was "keep doing what we've been doing". Whatever that means. Bah!

What he was referring to by that statement was to offer our customers the best overall experience possible while remaining competitive (more nonofficial jargon lol)....more or less, trying to give our customers the best customer service and coverage available to warrant any extra money they may be spending to have service with us...if you shop around VZW prices arent that much more expensive than

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muchdrama said:
True. But Verizon can't rely on "our network is the best so we're going to stick to you on price" forever. Cingular's roaring up on their ass in a souped up McLaren.

Thats why I always have a bottle of nitrous in my trunk 😉

chris_lt1 said:

muchdrama said:
True. But Verizon can't rely on "our network is the best so we're going to stick to you on price" forever. Cingular's roaring up on their ass in a souped up McLaren.

Thats why I always have a bottle of nitrous in my trunk 😉

Girls LOVE Boyscouts.

"if you shop around VZW prices arent that much more expensive than any of the top 7 carriers in reality"

Pardon me if I do say that's laughable. 🤣 Here's a hypothetical comparison.

I need 3 lines on a local plan, unlimited mobile-to-mobile minutes, unlimited night and weekend minutes, and a reasonable amount of anytime minutes.

AT&T Grand Total: Approximately $65 per month with 600 anytime minutes to share

Verizon Grand Total: Approximately $115 per month with 500 anytime minutes to share

Oh my! 😲 Its only a mere $50/month difference! 😉

RUFF1415 said:
"if you shop around VZW prices arent that much more expensive than any of the top 7 carriers in reality"

Pardon me if I do say that's laughable. 🤣 Here's a hypothetical comparison.

I need 3 lines on a local plan, unlimited mobile-to-mobile minutes, unlimited night and weekend minutes, and a reasonable amount of anytime minutes.

AT&T Grand Total: Approximately $65 per month with 600 anytime minutes to share

Verizon Grand Total: Approximately $115 per month with 500 anytime minutes to share

Oh my! 😲 Its only a mere $50/month difference! 😉

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All of my numbers are in fact correct EXCEPT the 500 minutes on Verizon's plan. That was a slip of the finger. After all, the 5 is next to the 6 you know. 😉

I've pulled my numbers from the Southewestern Pennsylvania area, Pittsburgh market. Try area code 15601. I've added $5 to each companies prices just because of taxes and surcharges, which may have been pointless.

Also, everybody in this area are always complaining about Verizon's high prices, ESPECIALLY the extra $10 a month for "IN". They know its just another way for Verizon to squeeze those extra pennies out of their customers. 🙂

RUFF1415 said:
All of my numbers are in fact correct EXCEPT the 500 minutes on Verizon's plan. That was a slip of the finger. After all, the 5 is next to the 6 you know. 😉

I've pulled my numbers from the Southewestern Pennsylvania area, Pittsburgh market. Try area code 15601. I've added $5 to each companies prices just because of taxes and surcharges, which may have been pointless.

Also, everybody in this area are always complaining about Verizon's high prices, ESPECIALLY the extra $10 a month for "IN". They know its just another way for Verizon to squeeze those extra pennies out of their customers. 🙂

not sure on the prices there as I work the West Area

Visit the website if you would like to see for yourself. But in any case, TRUST ME...they're right.

Trust me they are wrong I am a Cust Serv Rep in Ohio and handle the whole area and can tell you it is 39.99 for the prim phone and 20.00 for the secondaries plus if you want the extra "IN" it is 10.00 unless my math has slipped that adds up to 89.99 with extra "IN" or 79.99 without, I mean if I am failing in my math here please let me know but I am looking right at corporate pricing right now and these are the prices.

I'm not going to continue to argue this case. The Pittsburgh market may be different than the market you are in. Once again, go to Verizon's website and use the area code 15601. The price for a local plan with three lines, 600 anytime minutes, and unlimited night and weekend minutes is $99.99. And people in my area are always complaining about having to pay the extra $10 for IN even though they would truly like it. That, as I have said, brings the monthy total to about $110. Trust, I live here, I work here, I know the prices.

You can start by going here:

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller? ... »

I know that the local CA area has a more minute plan than any other west market. 39.99 for 600 minutes as opposed to 39.99 for 500 minutes; it's $20 for each additional line-- i've recognized that most families don't need the $10 in network option; the default unlmt family calling is good for most families

Has anybody taken the time to look.

The prices I have stated are correct for the Pittsburgh market.

Local DigitalChoice® Family SharePlan
Minutes 600 Line 1: Free Local IN-Network calling Plus Unlimited Night & Weekend Home Airtime Minutes $59.99

Additional Lines: Unlimited Local IN-Network Calling Plus Unlimited Night & Weekend Home Airtime Minutes $20.00

Straight from Verizon's website. Unaltered. PLEASE stop telling me that I'm incorrect in these prices when you haven't even taken the time to look them up yourself.

I beleive you, I was quoting the CA market

No, not you, it was to a few OTHER people in this forum. Maybe they're just too lazy to click the mouse a few extra times. Sorry that it was a reply to your message. I didn't mean for it to seem like a comment towards you. It was just the top message at the time.

RUFF1415 said:
All of my numbers are in fact correct EXCEPT the 500 minutes on Verizon's plan. That was a slip of the finger. After all, the 5 is next to the 6 you know. 😉

I've pulled my numbers from the Southewestern Pennsylvania area, Pittsburgh market. Try area code 15601. I've added $5 to each companies prices just because of taxes and surcharges, which may have been pointless.

Also, everybody in this area are always complaining about Verizon's high prices, ESPECIALLY the extra $10 a month for "IN". They know its just another way for Verizon to squeeze those extra pennies out of their customers. 🙂

The extra 10.00 is only on share plans to allow all lines to have have the Free IN Netwo...
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No, what I'm saying is that people in my area pay the extra $10 about 95% of the time even though they think its a little steep. I never once said that you HAVE to pay it, its just that most customers do.

chris_lt1 said:

RUFF1415 said:
"if you shop around VZW prices arent that much more expensive than any of the top 7 carriers in reality"

Pardon me if I do say that's laughable. 🤣 Here's a hypothetical comparison.

I need 3 lines on a local plan, unlimited mobile-to-mobile minutes, unlimited night and weekend minutes, and a reasonable amount of anytime minutes.

AT&T Grand Total: Approximately $65 per month with 600 anytime minutes to share

Verizon Grand Total: Approximately $115 per month with 500 anytime minutes to share

Oh my! 😲 Its only a mere $50/month difference! 😉

dont know where you live but I come out with $89.99/mo, $39.99 for the primary line, $40 for

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RUFF1415 said:
I'd also like to say that AT&Ts secondary lines are ALL only $9.99. So that's only an extra $20 for the lines. Which brings you to a total of $59.99 per month. Still a $30 per month differnce. 😁

On that I'll call BS on since I pulled my figures right off the ATTWS website and it stated $19.99/mo for the secondary lines...use zipcode 95630 if you want a reference

😲 AT&T has recently re-instated the $19.99 per additional line. But I assure, I have that "hypothetical" plan myself. It truely is a $50/month difference between Verizon. 🙂

No matter. The point that I've been trying to make from the beginning is this. Verizon, in MOST areas are very highly priced, with the exception of a few areas and in this instance the area you (Chris) live in. What i'm trying to get acroos is that if Verizon does not begin to tailor their prices and plans, when this merger goes through Verizon will be in for some hard hits. Like I've been saying all along, people won't be able to ignore Cingular's quality and low prices for long.

Please post if you'd agree. 🙂

RUFF1415 said:
No matter. The point that I've been trying to make from the beginning is this. Verizon, in MOST areas are very highly priced, with the exception of a few areas and in this instance the area you (Chris) live in. What i'm trying to get acroos is that if Verizon does not begin to tailor their prices and plans, when this merger goes through Verizon will be in for some hard hits. Like I've been saying all along, people won't be able to ignore Cingular's quality and low prices for long.

Please post if you'd agree. 🙂

based on your pricing structure I'd have to agree but will say that Im sure the execs do in fact have something up their sleeves to stay in competition

I will say this... VZW has never really had a serious challenge in the US...until now. The networks are nearly equal in coverage, the technologies are both strong performers in the US, the ad budgets are huge, and the revenues keep going up. What it will most likely come down to is who can market themselves best, and grab the new subscribers interest in a number of key areas - features, selection, innovation, price, among others.

Whoever wins that fight wins first place...and rightly so.

I sincerely believe Sarun of Vodaphone and Sigman of Cingular defined it just right.

Sarun basically laughed off the buyout, to which Sigman replied 'Let them keep underestimating us'. VZW runs a real risk of doing just that.

I couldn't have said any of that better myself. If Verizon waits too long to figure this out they may, even unexpectedly, slip behind Cingular. 🙂 ? ☹️ ?

RUFF1415 said:
I couldn't have said any of that better myself. If Verizon waits too long to figure this out they may, even unexpectedly, slip behind Cingular. 🙂 ? ☹️ ?

I dont see it happening, like everything else with VZW, once the merger is completed they'll launch their new pricing, why show your hand to you opponent before you have to....ya know

they are making subtle moves if you look closely, look at the merger (if you want to call it that) with Qwest (buying spectrum in NYC where they've recently been beaten in coverage)

I don't think any of those "subtle moves" are related to the merger. Hasn't EVERY wireless company ALWAYS traded or bought spectrum, made agreements with each other, and anything else to improve coverage in places that aren't up to par? I seriously think that Verizon isn't expecting much from Cingular after the merge. Verizon is now sitting on the throne of the wireless industry with its nose in the air. They're thinking that nothing can take their place, and Cingular may have just recieved the opportunity of doing just that (knocking Verizon off of their seat) without Verizon expecting it.

RUFF1415 said:
I don't think any of those "subtle moves" are related to the merger. Hasn't EVERY wireless company ALWAYS traded or bought spectrum, made agreements with each other, and anything else to improve coverage in places that aren't up to par? I seriously think that Verizon isn't expecting much from Cingular after the merge. Verizon is now sitting on the throne of the wireless industry with its nose in the air. They're thinking that nothing can take their place, and Cingular may have just recieved the opportunity of doing just that (knocking Verizon off of their seat) without Verizon expecting it.

I still disagree since any successful business always monitors its competition, its just common se...
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I think VZW is mistakenly thinking it will take us a year or more once the merger goes through to get everything up to speed, while that may be true of some things, the customer end it could not be further from the truth.

If it were me running things at VZW I would be making moves NOW to cement my place. If they wait until the regulators approve it, it will be WAY too late.

THANK YOU PHONEPIMP! 😁 Once again, I couldn't have said it better myself!

phonepimp3376 said:
I think VZW is mistakenly thinking it will take us a year or more once the merger goes through to get everything up to speed, while that may be true of some things, the customer end it could not be further from the truth.

If it were me running things at VZW I would be making moves NOW to cement my place. If they wait until the regulators approve it, it will be WAY too late.

All Im saying is that we went from last place to #1 and I dont think our execs are going to let that slip away so easily, Im not going to try and pretend like I know whats going to happen but again common sense says they have something up their sleeves (and Im guessing its more than just "Free In-Network" calling ...
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in the interest of competition, I hope so. You've probably figured out by now that I really have nothing against VZW, or any carrier for that matter. But I will put the data out there regarding any of them, and call BS where I see it.

Besides, I love a good debate!

I'd have to agree that any successfuly business always monitors its competition. But wait...what competition has Verizon ever had since the beginning? None. Even through all of this "hype" over what's going to happen with Verizon and Cingular, Verizon isn't getting the whole realization of what Cingular will be able to do. They've never had to go through any of this "competition" stuff. They know they must be doing something right since they are currently the largest wireless provider around, but that's all they can see. They're current stance in the industry has stamped a shall I say "****y" attitude in all of the decision-making bigshot's minds. Along with their lack of experience, this can seriously hurt them. At least for the fir...
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RUFF1415 said:
I'd have to agree that any successfuly business always monitors its competition. But wait...what competition has Verizon ever had since the beginning? None. Even through all of this "hype" over what's going to happen with Verizon and Cingular, Verizon isn't getting the whole realization of what Cingular will be able to do. They've never had to go through any of this "competition" stuff. They know they must be doing something right since they are currently the largest wireless provider around, but that's all they can see. They're current stance in the industry has stamped a shall I say "****y" attitude in all of the decision-making bigshot's minds. Along with their lack of experience, this can serious

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ThetaNu539 said:

RUFF1415 said:
I'd have to agree that any successfuly business always monitors its competition. But wait...what competition has Verizon ever had since the beginning? None. Even through all of this "hype" over what's going to happen with Verizon and Cingular, Verizon isn't getting the whole realization of what Cingular will be able to do. They've never had to go through any of this "competition" stuff. They know they must be doing something right since they are currently the largest wireless provider around, but that's all they can see. They're current stance in the industry has stamped a shall I say "****y" attitude in all of the decision-making bigshot's minds. Along with their

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Ethical? Bahahahahahaahah! Impeding the progress of dealing with the interference problem is ehtical? C'mon man! Use your noggin! Verizon's a company just like any other. Ethics go out the window when it comes to market share and money.

Let me share one thing with you, I have had a variety of jobs and no place that I have ever work has been even 1/2 as ethical as Verizon Wireless. As far as the impeding the progress of the interference problem, I have no idea about why that is the case but must have some reason but still we have no need to bash Cingular in our ads

I'm still lost as to what ADS you are referring to.

Hmmmm...wonders when pointing out an advantage that actually has basis in FACT in a commercial suddenly became BASHING?

For example, Mitsubishi advertises they have the best backed cars. Is that true? Darn right it is.

So if Cingular points out that our competition has areas where certain things don't work on their network, and we don't...how is that bashing? Seems to me its comparing features and benefits, so a customer can make an informed decision.

phonepimp3376 said:
Hmmmm...wonders when pointing out an advantage that actually has basis in FACT in a commercial suddenly became BASHING?

For example, Mitsubishi advertises they have the best backed cars. Is that true? Darn right it is.

So if Cingular points out that our competition has areas where certain things don't work on their network, and we don't...how is that bashing? Seems to me its comparing features and benefits, so a customer can make an informed decision.

directly bashing is different that stating what your advantage is and again I am not here to argue I am not interested in that, just stating my opinion because it is just that (my opinion) just as all of everyone elses posts

We're just wondering what ads you're referring to.

The ads do kinda bash, but I kinda think of the exact wordage

I don't see anything in our ads that bashes any more than "Most reliable network based on 31000 opinions out of 46 million customers"... lol. YOU KNEW it was coming, you people BEG me for the JD Power thing! lmao

phonepimp3376 said:
I don't see anything in our ads that bashes any more than "Most reliable network based on 31000 opinions out of 46 million customers"... lol. YOU KNEW it was coming, you people BEG me for the JD Power thing! lmao

I'm telling you...they used sampling.

schnozejt said:
The ads do kinda bash, but I kinda think of the exact wordage

Cingular will have a surprise when we roll out our new ad campaign.

We're changing our slogan to:

"Cingular Sucks! We Rule!"

It's gonna have the CYHMN guy tackling Cingluar users, smashing their phones, and screaming "Didja HEAR dat!?"

NOW we can talk about bashing... 😛

Is that the one that airs slightly after the one where our Cingular logo Jack runs around naked and convinces all hot chicks to do the same? The one with the tagline 'Switch to Cingular, we got em naked so you can score easier!'

Talk about a quarter of astronomical gross adds! lol

phonepimp3376 said:
Is that the one that airs slightly after the one where our Cingular logo Jack runs around naked and convinces all hot chicks to do the same? The one with the tagline 'Switch to Cingular, we got em naked so you can score easier!'

Talk about a quarter of astronomical gross adds! lol

I would pay to see that commercial lol

I have never seen any of our national or regional advertising that I construed to be bashing, so I'm a bit curious what you're referring to.

ThetaNu539 said:

phonepimp3376 said:
Hmmmm...wonders when pointing out an advantage that actually has basis in FACT in a commercial suddenly became BASHING?

For example, Mitsubishi advertises they have the best backed cars. Is that true? Darn right it is.

So if Cingular points out that our competition has areas where certain things don't work on their network, and we don't...how is that bashing? Seems to me its comparing features and benefits, so a customer can make an informed decision.

directly bashing is different that stating what your advantage is and again I am not here to argue I am not interested in that, just stating my opinion because it is just that (my opinion) just a

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muchdrama said:
>Ethical? Bahahahahahaahah! Impeding the progress of dealing with the interference problem is ehtical? C'mon man! Use your noggin! Verizon's a company just like any other. Ethics go out the window when it comes to market share and money.

Exactly, VZW: "Hey, you cant get a better spectrum because you chose to use 800mhz in the first place...thats not fair, Im gonna go tell my mommy on you" hahaha

I love working for VZW but as muchdrama said, every business is out to make money and beat out their competition in any way possible

Nobody is bashing Verizon, or any other carrier for that matter. Unless of course you would like to call what you just did "bashing". What I have been expressin on here is sincere worry that Verizon is making a huge mistake. Yes, I know they can handle themselves, but something of this size can be a hard hit. Once again, nobody was bashing.