I think VZW is ok w/ charging .69 per minute.

If a company is not going charge ANY roaming, they have put in a clause so they wont lose money.

Apparently VZW is okay with charging a lot of things.

We may charge higher airtime rates for calls made and received on our network outside your calling plan's home airtime rate area. You also have a local calling area (which may be different than your home airtime rate area). When you call from inside a local calling area to somewhere outside of it, or call from anywhere outside a local calling area, there may be toll, regional calling, or long distance charges in addition to airtime. (We provide or select the long distance service for calls on our network.) When you make a call inside your local calling area that uses a local phone company's lines (for example, a call to a typical home phone number)

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The home area on a national plan is the whole nation. Home area is a more common term for local calling plans.

And YES, if you call outside of the NATION you will incur long dustance charges

Not true. By VZW's own admission, your home area for M2M and N&W are NOT the NATION, but a smaller area. This is in contrast to Cingular, where all these features are truly nationwide.

OH, now were talking about M2M and N&W, you should go to VZW before you start typing

It looks like the whole nation on VZW.com. Now you need to reply to this by defining nation.

Nights and weekends??????????????There is no N&W coverage map.

Hmmm...looks to me like all of your features only work on the ENHANCED network map, considerably smaller than your NATIONAL coverage map. Why two maps anyways? We only have one, where EVERYTHING works.

Hmmmm.... I think you are also talking about the VZW Nation plan that requires a TRIMODE phone which relies on analog. Cingular has what's called GAIT plans that require GAIT phones. They have a larger calling area than VZW's plan. They Use GSM TDMA AND ANALOG. The VZW "all digital IN" calling area is Comparable to Cingular's GSM Network in terms of size and coverage.

There are whole STATES missing on the enhanced network, and quite a few where there is very little coverage. Look at the size of your network where ALL things work, and Cingular's GSM Nation plan stomps it FLAT!

I like how this thread is labled as roaming, and you finegled your way to talk about enhanced features.

Good job phonepimp, hey what happened to our third map, the N&Ws map?

Your pretty good at going on tangents, got me going too

you wont have roaming charges with cingular,you just wont have service at all in a lot of areas,so when it gets down to it at least with verizon you can still have service,just have to pay a little for it.as with cingular you dont have that choice.you can say what ever about cingular/att service,still doesnt match verizons service.

yeah you get slightly more coverage right now with vzw thanks to roaming. So, yeah all Cingular's customers should throw away their phones and switch because VZW has 5-7% more coverage thanks to roaming agreements. But with Cingular you DO GET COVERAGE WHERE YOU WOULD GET ROAMING FROM VZW. VZW's area where there is no roaming is pretty small considering it's a nation plan. And even with their roaming agreements it's not much bigger than Cingular's. When the ATTWS buyout goes thru, the Cingular map gets HUGE.

Why does Cingular have "Mobitex" coverage map, and Xpress Mail" coverage map? That's three coverage maps

Mobitex IS NOT CELL PHONE SERVICE. It's 2 way paging. Xpress Mail coverage is for data users who subscribe to the XpressMail service. Totally UNRELATED to Voice services.

Both of those coverage maps are for RIM (Reasearch In Motion) Interactive devices. Mobitex covers the older 950 and 957 RIM email pagers, While XpressMail covers the email side of the newer Blackberrys.

Enhanced services is things like Get It Now, Mobile Web, and . M2M is an entirely different coverage map. N&W is all that red on the big map PP. Not sure where you are reading that N&W is on the enhanced services map because it definately is not, N&W even works in the scattered areas that are still analog.

Again, I have to point out that per Cingular's web site if you leave the GSM network those features don't work. You leave the VZW digital network and things don't work.

YEs, but out ENTIRE network displayed on the website is GSM, so what's your point? We have no analog in the GSM network, no more TDMA in the GSM network. That coverage you see IS all GSM. And as for Mobile Web and all that, THOSE all work everywhere too.

I was going off on a tangent

What's my point? I thought it was quite clear. Our features work where we state they will, the digital network. Also, read the fine print once again PP. That map is not a true indication of service. Meaning that map doesn't show every crack in the system just like VZWs.

My point? Get off your high horse and stop trying to feed me a load of crap and expect me to swallow it with a smile on my face simply because YOU say it is fact. Cingular's features work on the GSM(ala DIGITAL NETWORK) just like VZW's feature work on our DIGITAL network. Don't even try to tell me that Cingular's DIGITAL network is larger than VZW's.

And a correction is in order.....The enhanced services area is for things like our broadband internet access, not Mobile Web and Get It Now. I don't know what I was thinking when I posted that. Must have had a brain cramp or something. Get It Now and Mobile Web work on the digital network.

what you seem to be missing is that ALL that coverage is GSM... and everything works everywhere. THERE IS NO SECOND COVERAGE MAP!!!

There is no Enhanced network, no analog network, its ALL GSM what you see there. We don't NEED a second. enhanced network to handle stuff. ONE IS ENOUGH.

You keep saying if you leave our GSM network. Unlike VZW's coverage, there is On Net and Off Net. Not On Net, Off Net, Enhanced Net, Off Enhanced Net, Analog Net, CDMA Net... too darn many nets!

Not too mention that VZW's OWNED "IN NETWORK" is where you get coverage for anything that's NOT a phone call. If you go into a romaing area... you DONT GET THOSE SERVICES. And yeah PAL. CINGULAR's OWNED GSM NETWORK IS BIGGER THAN THE DIGITAL NETWORK THAT VZW OWNS. GET OVER IT.

schnozejt said:
I think VZW is ok w/ charging .69 per minute.

If a company is not going charge ANY roaming, they have put in a clause so they wont lose money.

yes we charge $.69/min for roaming but sometimes it costs us more than that and on a Singlerate plan we really take it up the whazoo when the customer is off our network

phonepimp3376 said:
Lots of companies have that same clause... protects the carrier from paying too much to roaming partners while the customer pays almost nothing. I know for a fact that Sprint and ATTWS have it, and I'm pretty sure VZW does as well... they used to anyways.

dang, you beat me to this, pimp is very correct, VZW does the same.....its pointless for them to shell out all that money so you can have service....the service is business, not a charity

Yeah, but VZW wont disconnect your service if your roaming " Cingular reserves the right to terminate your service if less than 50% of your usage over three consecutive billing cycles is on Cingular-owned systems."

schnozejt said:
Yeah, but VZW wont disconnect your service if your roaming " Cingular reserves the right to terminate your service if less than 50% of your usage over three consecutive billing cycles is on Cingular-owned systems."

better read that contract again, its in there

I just read it and doesn't say that VZW will disco service for roaming.

Here's a quote, and it doesnt say anything about roaming

"Our Rights To Limit Or End Service Or This Agreement
You agree not to use (or to permit your wireless phone to be used) for any purpose that's illegal or not allowed by this agreement. WE CAN, WITHOUT NOTICE, LIMIT, SUSPEND, OR END YOUR SERVICE OR ANY AGREEMENT WITH YOU FOR THIS OR ANY OTHER GOOD CAUSE, including, but not limited to: (a) paying late more than once in any 12 months; (b) incurring charges larger than a required deposit or billing limit (even if we haven't yet billed the charges); (c) verbally or physically abusing our employees or agents; (d) lying to us; (e) interfering with network, custo...
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schnozejt said:
I just read it and doesn't say that VZW will disco service for roaming.

Here's a quote, and it doesnt say anything about roaming

"Our Rights To Limit Or End Service Or This Agreement
You agree not to use (or to permit your wireless phone to be used) for any purpose that's illegal or not allowed by this agreement. WE CAN, WITHOUT NOTICE, LIMIT, SUSPEND, OR END YOUR SERVICE OR ANY AGREEMENT WITH YOU FOR THIS OR ANY OTHER GOOD CAUSE, including, but not limited to: (a) paying late more than once in any 12 months; (b) incurring charges larger than a required deposit or billing limit (even if we haven't yet billed the charges); (c) verbally or physically abusing our employees or agents; (d) lying to us;

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chris_lt1 said:

schnozejt said:
I just read it and doesn't say that VZW will disco service for roaming.

Here's a quote, and it doesnt say anything about roaming

"Our Rights To Limit Or End Service Or This Agreement
You agree not to use (or to permit your wireless phone to be used) for any purpose that's illegal or not allowed by this agreement. WE CAN, WITHOUT NOTICE, LIMIT, SUSPEND, OR END YOUR SERVICE OR ANY AGREEMENT WITH YOU FOR THIS OR ANY OTHER GOOD CAUSE, including, but not limited to: (a) paying late more than once in any 12 months; (b) incurring charges larger than a required deposit or billing limit (even if we haven't yet billed the charges); (c) verbally or physically abusing our e

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so when you go to vzw.com and you click on the customer agreement link, it auto detects where your from, cool

i read the whole thing and the only thing that seems relevant to discos is what i posted

chris_lt1 said:

schnozejt said:
I just read it and doesn't say that VZW will disco service for roaming.

Here's a quote, and it doesnt say anything about roaming

"Our Rights To Limit Or End Service Or This Agreement
You agree not to use (or to permit your wireless phone to be used) for any purpose that's illegal or not allowed by this agreement. WE CAN, WITHOUT NOTICE, LIMIT, SUSPEND, OR END YOUR SERVICE OR ANY AGREEMENT WITH YOU FOR THIS OR ANY OTHER GOOD CAUSE, including, but not limited to: (a) paying late more than once in any 12 months; (b) incurring charges larger than a required deposit or billing limit (even if we haven't yet billed the charges); (c) verbally or physically abusing our e

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Including, but not limited to... answer me this.

A customer comes to VZW, gets a phone and uses 75% of his airtime on Sprint. This results in a very large payment to Sprint by VZW, while the customer still pays his normal bill. In most cases, VZW will be paying 2-3 TIMES the revenue they are receiving from this customer, just to keep them. Who is actually benefitting from the customer? SPRINT. Are you in the habit of selling phones for your competition to benefit from? NO. So do you honestly think a company with the savvy of VZW just OVERLOOKED that? Doubt it.

if the customer lives on the extended network they can disco w/ out incurring and etf (VZW wont disco). but if the cust is roaming they're paying at min .69/min(VZW profits from that charge)

You're Wrong. Iv'e been with every major player EXCEPT nextel, so i'm not sure about them. But the rest have the same clause.

Can you find where in VZW's agreement it has that clause? I've read through it twice and couldn't find it.

CainMarko said:
You're Wrong. Iv'e been with every major player EXCEPT nextel, so i'm not sure about them. But the rest have the same clause.

I'm still waiting for a reply you also.