What's the "New" Bluetooth Policy?
What I am referring to is the inconsistent crippling of the BT profiles. One month they are there, the next release they are gone, the next release they are all back, etc. Then another phone comes out with a different set for the same carrier.
Bluetooth is the only OFF NETWORK service that goes that way, so you see each manufacturer has a disclaimer like "Certain Bluetooth profiles are carrier dependant."
No other feature set has that on the off-network features already engineered into the phone. You don't see "Bluetooth, alarm clock, expansion cards, calculator, Hearing Aid Compatible, Multiple Languages, built-in mini-USB connector, Voice Dialing, Streaming Video, Camera, Voice Memo, etc., are carrier dependant" by any manufacturer. ...
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Bluetooth is the only OFF NETWORK service that goes that way, so you see each manufacturer has a disclaimer like "Certain Bluetooth profiles are carrier dependant."
No other feature set has that on the off-network features already engineered into the phone. You don't see "Bluetooth, alarm clock, expansion cards, calculator, Hearing Aid Compatible, Multiple Languages, built-in mini-USB connector, Voice Dialing, Streaming Video, Camera, Voice Memo, etc., are carrier dependant" by any manufacturer. ...
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Why is the earth flat who knows 🤣
Sure it would be nice if there was a set standard, but you just have to over come and adapt to these stressful conditions, one way to do so is by reading what the available specs are.
Motorola Q working OBEX
Motorola E815 requires a simple hack
Etc Etc
Sure it would be nice if there was a set standard, but you just have to over come and adapt to these stressful conditions, one way to do so is by reading what the available specs are.
Motorola Q working OBEX
Motorola E815 requires a simple hack
Etc Etc
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I don't use any of the bluetooth except for the headset. But i think the 8300 might be able to do some of the other thing i was reading the manual but i don't know how to do it. If any one know's what it's capabilities are with bluetooth feel free to post
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gunny said:
Sure it would be nice if there was a set standard, but you just have to over come and adapt to these stressful conditions, one way to do so is by reading what the available specs are.
Verizon has no policy on Bluetooth. They have 19 BT phones and PDA units now. Sometimes you get lucky, like with the Nokia 6256i or the Motorola V3c. Then they will arbitrarily take certain profiles off the phone if they want to.
I bought a V3c the day of release with the .02 firmware and it had OBEX file transfer. On the same phone a month later the version .03 did not have OBEX file transfer. I took the phone back to the store when the .04 version was released and OBEX file transfer was back on again. When ...
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plus they say you have all this to be used for "..." Only. like on most current handsets the vcard. the opened up everything for the vcard only and nothign else. as far as i can tell.
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I have an e815 how do i do it to be obex capable the simple way?
I have an e815 how do i do it to be obex capable the simple way?
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they want you to use there network to sent picts, DL content and transfer from phone to phone. they are greedy a$$holes get used to it
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Well pda's all seem to have full bluetooth. None of the phones are supposed to. Now I know that certain versions of the v3c have it but I think that was probably an accident. The nokia 6256i has it but Verizon also doesn't support this handset. Why you may ask, probably because of the bluetooth profiles. That phone is only sold through agent locations and if you take it to a service center they will look at you like that phone doesn't exist and won't help you.
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duckbutter said:
Well pda's all seem to have full bluetooth. None of the phones are supposed to. Now I know that certain versions of the v3c have it but I think that was probably an accident. The nokia 6256i has it but Verizon also doesn't support this handset. Why you may ask, probably because of the bluetooth profiles. That phone is only sold through agent locations and if you take it to a service center they will look at you like that phone doesn't exist and won't help you.
OK, the V3c was an accident and the Nokia 6256i got shelved after the release date. Fair enough and mistakes do happen.
Now why do the PDA's have it and the regular phones do not?
I it the policy to allow PDAs to transfer m...
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I could care less honestly either way cause I wouldn't use it if I did have it, but I do agree with you that if pda's have it then so should phones. You wanted a policy and I was just trying to help clarify that phones do not and pda's do.
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duckbutter said:
Well pda's all seem to have full bluetooth. None of the phones are supposed to. Now I know that certain versions of the v3c have it but I think that was probably an accident. The nokia 6256i has it but Verizon also doesn't support this handset. Why you may ask, probably because of the bluetooth profiles. That phone is only sold through agent locations and if you take it to a service center they will look at you like that phone doesn't exist and won't help you.
Actually you are wrong saying VZW corp. store doesnt sell that phone. I work at a CC Kiosk and we do sell it. I have sent one to a tech at the store up the road last week. tech did software upgrade and solved problem
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Sorry I meant to mention that CC kiosks do sell this phone, but the corporate inline stores do not. I also was going to put in there that the service centers may have changed but I know for a fact 2 months ago they would not help you with this phone. At least in my area they wouldn't.
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omg, this guy again...
I think you'd be better off starting your own company and making a device with all the bluetooth standards you want buddy. Get over yourself, this is probably you're 100th post complaining about bluetooth...
I think you'd be better off starting your own company and making a device with all the bluetooth standards you want buddy. Get over yourself, this is probably you're 100th post complaining about bluetooth...
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mycool said:
I think you'd be better off starting your own company and making a device with all the bluetooth standards you want buddy.
Now that you mention, I found everything I needed in the V3c. OBEX, DUN, etc. Then I took it in for the Navigator 'update' and that disabled my carkit.
Motorola says they are coming out with a do-it yourself update. That should make everybody happy.
http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/Motosupport/sou ... »
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You should switch to cingular and get the all-mighty bluetooth phone of your dreams.
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mycool said:
You should switch to cingular and get the all-mighty bluetooth phone of your dreams.
Sounds too easy. How about a Class Action Suit against Bluetooth SIG for allowing their Trademark Logo to be used to market unqualified phones?
Worked for me the first time.
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wnrussell said:mycool said:
You should switch to cingular and get the all-mighty bluetooth phone of your dreams.
Sounds too easy. How about a Class Action Suit against Bluetooth SIG for allowing their Trademark Logo to be used to market unqualified phones?
Worked for me the first time.
It is easy, port your number to Cingular and make sure it has OBEX because even though bluetooth has many profiles the only one people complain about is OBEX. Guess all bluetooth phones are crippled because none of them have the AVRCP profile. Pleaseeeeeeee switch to Cingular.
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wnrussell said:mycool said:
You should switch to cingular and get the all-mighty bluetooth phone of your dreams.
Sounds too easy. How about a Class Action Suit against Bluetooth SIG for allowing their Trademark Logo to be used to market unqualified phones?
Worked for me the first time.
is cheaper to move to a different carrier and get the all mighty bluetooth phone. but go ahead. 🤣
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PDA - Does not support Get It Now amd has no set of App that have agreements with the creators of the apps to protect intellectual property of those applications. Because no protections are required, the profile can be open to whatever is possible.
Phones - Phones that support Get It Now will likely have limited profiles simply bacause the licensing agreement of the app creator (game, ringtones etc) has a contract with Verizon to protect the intellectual property. Since Bluetooth support file transferability and Get It Now apps are capable of tranfer, the ability to do so has to be limited in order to be complaint with the app vreators agreement.
Phones (no GIN) - The odd phone that you see does not have GIN but Bluetooth capability wi...
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Phones - Phones that support Get It Now will likely have limited profiles simply bacause the licensing agreement of the app creator (game, ringtones etc) has a contract with Verizon to protect the intellectual property. Since Bluetooth support file transferability and Get It Now apps are capable of tranfer, the ability to do so has to be limited in order to be complaint with the app vreators agreement.
Phones (no GIN) - The odd phone that you see does not have GIN but Bluetooth capability wi...
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Green Jeep said:
Phones - Phones that support Get It Now will likely have limited profiles simply bacause the licensing agreement of the app creator (game, ringtones etc) has a contract with Verizon to protect the intellectual property. Since Bluetooth support file transferability and Get It Now apps are capable of tranfer, the ability to do so has to be limited in order to be complaint with the app vreators agreement.
Thanks. Are you stating actual policy or just personal belief and assumption though? Where is it published?
The GIN apps are locked to the ESN, and the ringtone folder is inaccessible via Bluetooth now, so that theory is invalid.
Can you find ONE thread in ANY forum where Bluetooth sup...
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I have an answer for you wait for it....
VZW can do whatever the hell they want with thier branded phones, yeah I'm just as surprised as you are that they didn't clear it with you before disabling some bluetooth profiles, but maybe they will communicate with you more closely in the future before they make any decisions. I think your valuable input is really gonna take verizon to the next level as a company. Awesome.
p.s. the lawsuit was based on not disclosing which bluetooth profiles were disabled thats why there is a neat little disclaimer stating which profiles are active for a phone so the chances of another bluetooth lawsuit are very slim.
VZW can do whatever the hell they want with thier branded phones, yeah I'm just as surprised as you are that they didn't clear it with you before disabling some bluetooth profiles, but maybe they will communicate with you more closely in the future before they make any decisions. I think your valuable input is really gonna take verizon to the next level as a company. Awesome.
p.s. the lawsuit was based on not disclosing which bluetooth profiles were disabled thats why there is a neat little disclaimer stating which profiles are active for a phone so the chances of another bluetooth lawsuit are very slim.
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vzwtemp said:
I have an answer for you wait for it....
I think your valuable input is really gonna take Verizon to the next level as a company.
Here is the answer right in this link.
http://support.vzw.com/pdf/BT_Chart_Handsets.pdf »
Thanks for your valuable input too!
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Woah! Are you guys having a change of heart?
Take a look at the new LG enV VX-9900:
Bluetooth®
Bluetooth Version: 1.2
Profiles Supported: headset, hands-free, dial-up networking, A2DP (Stereo), object push for vCard, serial port, file transfer, audio/video remote control, basic printing, human interface device
Save up to 20 Bluetooth Pairings
Bluetooth Stereo Headset Support for Music
HOW AWESOME!
and... confirmed reports of OBEX for almost everything -
From HoFo, OBEX: No edits needed for OBEX. You do not have access to the ringtones, but you have access to all the other media files on the phone and the microSD card.
OBEX folders: MyPictures, MySounds, MyVideos, SdPictures, SdSounds, SdVideos
******
The K1m su...
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Take a look at the new LG enV VX-9900:
Bluetooth®
Bluetooth Version: 1.2
Profiles Supported: headset, hands-free, dial-up networking, A2DP (Stereo), object push for vCard, serial port, file transfer, audio/video remote control, basic printing, human interface device
Save up to 20 Bluetooth Pairings
Bluetooth Stereo Headset Support for Music
HOW AWESOME!
and... confirmed reports of OBEX for almost everything -
From HoFo, OBEX: No edits needed for OBEX. You do not have access to the ringtones, but you have access to all the other media files on the phone and the microSD card.
OBEX folders: MyPictures, MySounds, MyVideos, SdPictures, SdSounds, SdVideos
******
The K1m su...
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Crippled firmware affects the people who must comply with hands-free auto laws in many states across the US, business executives who want and need PC Synch to coordinate their contacts and schedules, and ordinary people who just want to use the many products that rely on interoperability; from handsets to PDAs, GPS units, music devices, human interface devices, Microsoft and other software products, extensions for the blind, crippled, elderly, deaf and so on.
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Mr. Macintosh:
Can you point me to the correct font to install to read your post? All I see is...
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLUETOOTH WHINE WHINE WHINE BLAH BLAH BLAH ...
Solution to bluetooth: see a dentist.
Can you point me to the correct font to install to read your post? All I see is...
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLUETOOTH WHINE WHINE WHINE BLAH BLAH BLAH ...
Solution to bluetooth: see a dentist.
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temp_name said:
Can you point me to the correct font to install to read your post? All I see is...
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLUETOOTH WHINE WHINE WHINE BLAH BLAH BLAH ...
Try this. You guys really have an AWESOME phone, the new LG enV:
Bluetooth Version: 1.2
Profiles Supported: headset, hands-free, dial-up networking, A2DP (Stereo), object push for vCard, serial port, file transfer, audio/video remote control, basic printing, human interface device and OBEX.
Save up to 20 Bluetooth Pairings
Bluetooth Stereo Headset Support for Music
Fabulous work, great job. Thank you so much. Keep up the good work.
Did that font come through all right?
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