Call me Fox. GW is just a partial title.

Yeah well I'm working today. Most of the time I don't post on the scoop. I especially don't read the scoop at home.

Sides sunday is boring.. I've only got 2 new and 4 upgrades. ☹️

And it's amazing how much info on all the different carriers you can pick up once you sort through the BS and the facts.

I've learned alot from al of them / you. I'm just a (4) year retail customer. But I must admit the arguements are starting to get redundant. Everyone needs to update their material. 😲

lol...too true.

Yeah you're telling me.

What really sets me off is that I created a "Lets stop the argument topic" and I was looking for the pros to give me some ideas as to what VZW would do when/if Cingular takes the #1 in wireless spot.

I still got a little troll to post in his "Blah blah Cing link this, blah blah Cing link that"

Meh. The arguments are OOOOLLLLLDDDDDDDDDDDDD.

VZW would probably change it's night and weekends times, offer more minutes at a slightly cheaper rate, and perhaps further subsidize phones if Cingular was able to make that push. Nothing extravagant or costly. I think that if VZW can make their ptt service as good as the wireless calls, they would augment their revenues immensely.

VZW would have to go completely digital in order to match Cingular. Seems they are trying to make that move, as most of the phones they are releasing lately have no AMPS roaming capability. They would have to improve their international offerings as well. Then they would have to find a way to get phone vendors to take an interest in developing more and better CDMA phones, which doesn't really make economic sense to them, considering that in the Americas alone, GSM accounts for 90% of new activations.

Early evenings and little perks like that will not be enough to get it done. GSM has too many advantages that people PERCIEVE as essential. Coverage alone is not going to be enough when coverage is no longer an issue.

Just my two cents.

International roaming is not a make or break issue, but I believe it's important. I think alot of people rent phones when they go overseas and use other carriers. That 90% stat seems high for the Gsm activations, could you provide the source of that information?

I definitely agree concerning the phones. I don't think we need to do much convincing to manufactures as doing we do bring alot of business. I don't think they are gaining any more business from gsm than they are from us. If you think about it, there may be two phones at the most that all of the gsm carriers use. I think they is a pretty good sprinkling of phones amongst all the carriers and technologies. I think the best phone manufactuares are actually making their phones for S...
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Sure can... here you go.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=10 ... »

These figures are a couple quarters old.

Great article. Im more sure then ever the US will catch up with the rest of the world in GSM activations within three years despite the boisterous claims of Verizon sales.

He said for the Americas, not for the US. I was thinking the same thing and was going to write that until I paid closer attention. I agree though, I 'm not sure that those numbers are telling the whole story. It appears to me that CDMA is growing at the same rate or sometimes faster in some countries and markets.

Good lilgabe, you paid attention. In the US, where most major GSM carriers have been fully GSM for less than 2 years, its about 50% of total adds.

Worldwide is a bit of a different story however. CDMA has about 100 million subscribers, while GSM has over 1.1 billion.

Subtract VZW's 40 million from CDMA's total, and you have about 60 million outside the US. Not too impressive.

Keep in mind many countries other than the USA are mandated to only use GSM as per their government.

Here in the USA we have had (read had) many different frequencies and for much longer. Analog, TDMA, CDMA, GSM and nextel's iDEN.

Part of the reason GSM has gotten so large is Cellular One when it became Cing AND ATTWS went from TDMA to GSM. Boom. Instant turnover from TDMA to GSM. 40+ mil customers in the USA between them alone not to count in T-mobile who has always had GSM here in the states back as Voicestream and I think Omnipoint (correct me if wrong please). Obviously lots of those customers are happy with their service.

Your 1.1 billion customers worldwide are mostly cause of mandated signal. CDMA 100 mil is due to free sele...
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I think Vodaphone had that exact thought when they bid on ATTWS. I have read that GSM is indeed less expensive to maintain. The licensing fee to Qualcom alone should answer that question. But I remember reading somewhere GSM technology is less expensive to maintain in the long term and cheaper to build phones and towers for.

I will seek the source of that information and post the link.

Actually only the European countries have mandated GSM. And if VZW converted to GSM they would need to totally rebuild their network and infrastructure, which would require a huge capital outlay to get to where they are today. In the meantime Cingular would be sucking up VZW's customer base while they made all those changes. The stability of VZW's network would be horrendous. Some customers still on CDMA, New customers on GSM, or all customers need a dual technology handset. Then implementing a program to get all those CDMA customers over to GSM, and maintaining two COMPLETE networks until it was done. Can you say bye-bye VZW if they did?