the iPhone is coming to CDMA?? I would have bet a good deal of money that it would be GSM.

Wireless Buddy said:
the iPhone is coming to CDMA?? I would have bet a good deal of money that it would be GSM.

They are not committing yet. Here is another update from today:

http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/iphon ... »

http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/cnbc- ... »

Steve Jobs has been very outspoken about not releasing this through existing carriers. According to The Wall Street Journal, "Apple CEO Steve Jobs said he was wary of producing an Apple cellphone because, instead of selling it directly to the public, he would have to offer it through what he called the "four orifices" -- the four big U.S. cellphone carriers."

If the new Bill passes, it will ...
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Wonder who'll burden the blame when the customer has issues with dropped calls or no signal?

Faulty network or faulty equipment? I can see the finger pointing now...

temp_name said:
Wonder who'll burden the blame when the customer has issues with dropped calls or no signal?

Faulty network or faulty equipment? I can see the finger pointing now...

Are you saying that CDMA is more likely to have dropped calls and no signal than GSM?

Or that it is technically infeasable to design an iPhone for a CDMA network?

Mr. Maccy, I was just laughing about the situation where a customer could run into dropped calls or signal issues (CDMA or GSM or TDMA or whatever you prefer). Who takes the burden on this one... the carrier who claims their network is top-notch and the open-source phone doesn't meet their standards, or the manufacturer who'll claim that their phone passed testing and the carrier has issues with their network? Who is to blame in that situation?

P.S. This is assuming that the phone was sold unbundled with a network...

Yes! Look how their stock has doubled in the past 6 months. I wish I bought more. Bear in mind that the iPhone, although 15 million units are being build in Taiwan right now, has not been mentioned officially yet! I should not say it must be insider trading. The PC and iPod segments of their market are slipping; iPod is off by 20%. So the intelligent investor know something that we do not.

The new rulings are in favor of this:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/research/msnbc/ ... »

What bill are you speaking of wnrussell?

Thanks

Is this the phone you speak of below?

http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/apple ... »

gunny said:
What bill are you speaking of wnrussell?

Is this the phone you speak of below?

http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/apple ... »

Gunny, it's the same Bill we've been working on since last year. Click on the third draft link toward the top of the page.

https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »

It now has the support of the Consumers Union and Consumer Electronics. It won't come out until next year, after the election shuffle.

Yes, the Apple phone is very similar, but like the iPod, will have many varieties.

oh okay thanks

hmmm interesting I will read up more on those link too, have a good night

http://forums.wirelessadvisor.com/wireless-news/5895 ... »

zunphone too crazy

gunny said:
hmmm interesting I will read up more on those link too, have a good night

http://forums.wirelessadvisor.com/wireless-news/5895 ... »

zunphone too crazy

Yeah, I told you this was happening sooner or later. The real war will begin when carriers blacklist these ESN's.

The public will become enraged when they can't activate them, and the Bill will be more likely to pass.

How many people carry and iPod and a cell phone at the same time, was it 20 million?

question:

how can a carrier set quality standards when they have no control of the equipment used?

I have read through all of the various interpretations of the new Copyright ruling, and those who want to interpret is as simply being allowed to break the SPC/SIM lock are too narrow minded. The exemption to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act applies to those who need to have access to a carrier network. The Federation for the Blind, which includes those who cannot read the color red, the hearing impaired who need a special Bluetooth connection, or those who simply "aren't able to enjoy full legal use of their handsets because of software locks that wireless providers have been placing to control access to phones' underlying programs" are all covered.

To to that extent, there should be all kinds of software coming out that would enable...
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What's the design of the iPhone? I've seen A LOT of different designs. Also in that thread it said it was GSM. Is this true? Or will it come in CDMA and GSM?

Wireless Buddy said:
What's the design of the iPhone? I've seen A LOT of different designs. Also in that thread it said it was GSM. Is this true? Or will it come in CDMA and GSM?

The first run is going to be GSM, and then they are going to take a run at getting past the carrier blocks on CDMA. If they can't do that and still want to, they might partner with a CDMA carrier.

They expect to sell 10 million of these the first year. There are already 40,000,000 iPods in use today.

iPods IMO are a huge waste of money. I have a Zen Micro 4 GB MP3 player i bought for $100 and a 4 GB iPod Nano costs $250! I saved $150 by not buying an iPod. Plus my Zen has an FM radio and doesnt use that horrible iTunes.

Wireless Buddy said:
iPods IMO are a huge waste of money. I have a Zen Micro 4 GB MP3 player i bought for $100 and a 4 GB iPod Nano costs $250! I saved $150 by not buying an iPod. Plus my Zen has an FM radio and doesnt use that horrible iTunes.

I agree with you, but I'm not a music buff. Everyone from my 14 year old to my banker has one. Thing is, they ALSO carry cell phones.

Think of how many of those 40,000,000 users would like to carry one device, and how that would affect the cell phone market. How many active users does Verizon have right now?

ipods became popular because they were really the first popular mp3 players. The first to really hit the market. Cell phone/mp3 players are common place now. Add to that the fact that Apple never made a cellphone before, I don't really see the iphone taking the world by storm.
Hell, look at how many manufacturers have been making phones for decades and still can't get it right.

If apple had made it 3 years ago, then you're talking.

I hear you, but when Steve Jobs readies his next magic trick, Apple whips up a storm around announcement of a new product and you must admit, their marketing is creative for any age group.

The first non-mechanical digital audio player in the world was created by SaeHan Information Systems in 1997. By the end of 1999, Compaq made a significant improvement in space limitations by using a laptop hard drive for song storage rather than low-capacity flash memory. Canon took a run at The Personal Jukebox (PJB-100)in 1999, but it wasn't till 2001 when the iPod finally madde the idea popular.

Since then, a number of new digital audio players became available each promising to be an "iPod Killer", but none were.

My money is on Apple. Look h...
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"ipods became popular because they were really the first popular mp3 players.."

lol..that is quite funny.. and complete nonsense..

iPods became popular because of the intuitive interface/controls/design and "hipness" that Jobs/Apple convinced people it had. I had two mp3 (Creative)players prior to my first ipod and it really was night and day between them. If your a hardcore techie then yes, you probably shun the ipod as being too commonplace(read mainstream) and lack of OGG playback.. but they aren't gunning for you.. they are competing for the dollars of the majority not the 5% that crave true lossless formats and linux compatibility..
And as for the iphone, well they already have the fanbois ready to s...
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According to a report from Bloomberg News, the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office made public today a patent application Apple filed in August for an iPod-mobile-phone combo. That would be the second patent application for such a device; the first was filed in July.

Apple shares have been trading near their all-time high in the past few days -- partly on expectations of huge Macintosh and iPod sales over the holiday season, but also on speculation by analysts that Chief Executive Steve Jobs could introduce an iPhone as soon as January.

``This is another piece of evidence that the iPhone is coming,'' Piper Jaffray analyst Gene Munster told Bloomberg. ``This shows they're trying to build a patent moat around the design for the iPhone.''

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"Today was probably the final hard evidence that they're working on something," said Gene Munster, analyst at Piper Jaffray. "Now the key question is the timing."

Many observers believe Apple, which is notorious for its secrecy around product launches, might launch a mobile phone in January at MacWorld, its annual convention and expo. But Van Baker, an analyst at Gartner, said such speculation was premature. "Every time you get close to MacWorld the rumour mill and speculation ramp up," he said.

Apple's patent application outlined plans for a device that would combine a "cell phone" and a "media player." The bulk of the application was dedicated to describing a new way of assembling the device. It contained few details about the devic...
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Spoilsport Michael Gartenberg, an analyst at Jupiter Research, said that speculation about the product is “starting to get out of hand”. “Is it possible to call a product that hasn’t been acknowledged, much less shipped, delayed?” Gartenberg wrote on his blog.

However, even without an official line from Apple the iPhone is having an impact and Wall Street analysts believe any speculation of a delay could affect the company’s share price.

http://www.about-electronics.eu/2006/12/14/apple-iph ... »

Ah, your a mac fan... no wonder you are such an annoying and whiny person.

temp_name said:
Ah, your a mac fan... no wonder you are such an annoying and whiny person.

No, quite to the contrary, never had one. But I am always impressed by their innovation, marketing and success. I also admire Apple CEO Steve Jobs who has repeatedly said he was wary of producing an Apple cellphone because, instead of selling it directly to the public, he would have to offer it through what he called the "four orifices" -- the four big U.S. cellphone carriers.

http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20050602.html »

Let's see who wins. And yes, I agree I am an annoying and whiny person. Just one of my many character deficiencies.