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Many of you out there have said I should close my threads on Verizon rate plans. It is done! But, before I go, just a few comments, then I'll give you guys the final word. I think the thing that amazes me most concerning the enormous feedback I got on this is the fact only a couple of folks agreed that having better plans on Verizon would be nice. I'm totally at a loss as to why anyone would be glad to pay more and get less for it? A lot of folks never understood it at all, and argued that the Verizon plans were close to, if not better in price compared to everyone else. This of course, is a simple matter of doing the math. You don't need a calculator to figure out that a company giving you free incoming calls or rollover minutes in addition...
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Dude mix in a paragraph, It's hard to follow one giant square of words.
Point taken. From now on, indexing will be used.
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I think its amazing you missed allot of points. I can say I think everyone would love a cheaper rate plan. But its not going to happen. And they are not that more expensive then the others. Not to mention They have a proven network! Thats the point. What we would want and what a company will do are sometimes different. More so when that company is posting outstanding number!!! Its telling them people are happy with it and they want their service.
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You question the reliability factor. You mentioned 911. One that I will bring to mind is what happened after hurricane Katrina. I do not have the statistics, but it was a proven fact that VZW was up and running long before any other carrier. LONG before. Not just a day or two, but at least a month. VZW had record net adds in the hurricane stricken areas that quarter. Why? Because this was testament to the reliability factor.
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Thank you for just proving my point. When Katrina hit, Verizon went down like everybody else. The only thing that worked after the disaster were ham radios and CB's. The fact that maybe they got things up and running more quickly in some areas (many areas of Mississippi and Louisiana are still without cellular service) doesn't make them reliable. Reliable means I can count on getting a very important call or making one whenever I need to, almost always. Can Verizon promise this? Just look at their own advertising "service not available in all areas". "Verizon doesn't guarantee service in ALL situations. Things such as terrain, weather, foliage, or EMERGENCIES affect service and coverage". I can take my C.B. radio and you take your Verizon c...
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I usually don't just say it but after that post you are an idiot. What did work after Katrina? Civilization itself broke down their. And you want them to keep service going through that. Get a sat phone in that case. They say dont work in all areas as no provider has service everywhere. Stop being stupid! I have had sprint for 6 yrs and never had a problem. I am sure verizon and cingular on a whole is the same. I know verizon is. You are an idiot if you think cell phones are 100% reliable. Everyone knows they are not. You know that before you buy it and no one trys to tell you different. So again wtf is your point?
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—Synonyms trusty, authentic, consistent. Reliable, infallible, trustworthy apply to persons, objects, ideas, or information that can be depended upon with confident certainty. Reliable suggests consistent dependability of judgment, character, performance, or result: a reliable formula, judge, car, meteorologist. Infallible suggests the complete absence of error, breakdown, or poor performance: an infallible test, system, marksman. Trustworthy emphasizes the steady and honest dependability which encourages one's confidence, belief, or trust: trustworthy and accurate reports.
That is from dictionary dot com. No one said this was INFALLIBLE but RELIABLE. Most "reliable" network. Not "the only INFALLIBLE" network. The original poster is co...
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That is from dictionary dot com. No one said this was INFALLIBLE but RELIABLE. Most "reliable" network. Not "the only INFALLIBLE" network. The original poster is co...
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Uh, I never said infallible. As for the above definition, absolutely DOES NOT in any way describe Verizon. Any consumer magazine, telecom worker or emergency crew member will all tell you the same thing: NO cellular phone is reliable, NONE! Verizon is more reliable than the other guys, but so what? That's like saying Red China is less of a threat to the U.S. than North Korea, or the Cleveland Indians are a better ball club than the Chicago Cubs, or alcohol is less painful on an open cut than iodine. Who cares? Bottom of the reliability barrel comparisons. And even if Verizon were infallible, THEY STILL CHARGE THE HIGHEST PRICES. Their service is not even remotely worth $.45 per minute in overages. If they gave you a free phone every year and...
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Nextel..."fair and flexible" family share is 69.99 for 700 minutes. OK they have N&W at 7pm.
Let us face some facts. If you are beating everyone quarter after quarter after quarter, why would you give away more or charge less? Why? This would not make sense.
Reliability. I have Nextel and Verizon and every storm it is a day without Nextel service. ok...not "every" but alot of the time.
You say that the "IN" is over rate because why? I used about 5k minutes on my family share plan. Of that about 1100 minutes are "billable". So for me it isn't overrated. If I had Cingular then my bill would be alot...alot...oh wait, it would be the same. Rollover? Who cares. I haven't went over in 2 years. If I had Cingular I would...even w...
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Let us face some facts. If you are beating everyone quarter after quarter after quarter, why would you give away more or charge less? Why? This would not make sense.
Reliability. I have Nextel and Verizon and every storm it is a day without Nextel service. ok...not "every" but alot of the time.
You say that the "IN" is over rate because why? I used about 5k minutes on my family share plan. Of that about 1100 minutes are "billable". So for me it isn't overrated. If I had Cingular then my bill would be alot...alot...oh wait, it would be the same. Rollover? Who cares. I haven't went over in 2 years. If I had Cingular I would...even w...
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I'm not harping on Cingular, because they aren't the subject of my thread Verizon is. I've been very critical of Cingular and other carriers in my other forums (some even in this one), but I'm new to this community and haven't had a chance to post that many threads yet. As for your comparison to SprintNextel, yes, they've got a whole bunch of problems of their own, too many to go into here. I've also been VERY critical of these guys as well, you just haven't read any of my posts. Why would Verizon change their plan when they're making money? Because the market changes. And to stay competitive, you must offer a better plan than the other guy. What Verizon offers is no where near a better plan, or even a comparable plan. It's just the same old...
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and the market will "fix" these prices if they are too high.
Just curious, why your vandetta against cellular then?
Oh, and if you think cellular companies "charge too much"...vzw for plans, nextel for phones..etc. Then you must not have looked at cellular from years ago...
You say "the market has changed...the market has changed..." Cingular has had rollover for years now...and vzw has beat them in each and every quarter. Should they (meaning VZW) do something? I would like to see it. But that doesn't mean I will spend my days posting rant after rant about how stagnant and high their "prices" are. In actually they are very competitive on alot of their plans. I just went onto sprint and cingular and the rates are pretty much t...
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Just curious, why your vandetta against cellular then?
Oh, and if you think cellular companies "charge too much"...vzw for plans, nextel for phones..etc. Then you must not have looked at cellular from years ago...
You say "the market has changed...the market has changed..." Cingular has had rollover for years now...and vzw has beat them in each and every quarter. Should they (meaning VZW) do something? I would like to see it. But that doesn't mean I will spend my days posting rant after rant about how stagnant and high their "prices" are. In actually they are very competitive on alot of their plans. I just went onto sprint and cingular and the rates are pretty much t...
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I don't have a vendetta against cellular, and I'm not the one ranting. I've posted my opinion as to what I think about Verizon's pricing and everyone else who has replied back have been the ones doing the ranting. I merely respond to the comments they make, and in the process, I've been cursed, called names and my intelligence called into question, even though I've not done the same in return.So you tell me, who has the vendetta?
One thing I have noticed, people who post on this forum seem to be unwilling to admit there's anything wrong with Verizon. Why? What possible reason would someone have to defend the pricing plans of a company that is obviously charging them too much in fees?
Verizon is doing better than Cingular, but why sho...
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One thing I have noticed, people who post on this forum seem to be unwilling to admit there's anything wrong with Verizon. Why? What possible reason would someone have to defend the pricing plans of a company that is obviously charging them too much in fees?
Verizon is doing better than Cingular, but why sho...
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walmart does not price match. In fact on upgrades with cell phones they are much higher then most anywhere else. But even if they did, so what? If that is the only way they can sell a product, then they do what they have to do.
All I am saying is, what are you trying to accomplish? Ranting (yes you are ranting) on a messageboard will accomplish what? If you don't like their prices then don't buy their product. If enough people do this then the company selling the product will have to change the price. Simple economics 101.
You say they are so wrong. But yet it was Sprint/Nextel last quarter that posted negative numbers for retail customers. So, do you think that maybe, just maybe, Sextel is trying to put a bandaid on a large ...
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All I am saying is, what are you trying to accomplish? Ranting (yes you are ranting) on a messageboard will accomplish what? If you don't like their prices then don't buy their product. If enough people do this then the company selling the product will have to change the price. Simple economics 101.
You say they are so wrong. But yet it was Sprint/Nextel last quarter that posted negative numbers for retail customers. So, do you think that maybe, just maybe, Sextel is trying to put a bandaid on a large ...
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My first ever cell-phone was with Att Wireless in Jan 2000. Since then companies have merged, names have changed, wireless technology (GSM/TDMA/CDMA/IDEN) have changed or updated. So have price plans and mainly coverage of our great country. I have been with Verizon for about three years now. I wish some things were cheaper. I always try to keep an eye out for deals or changes that would benefit me and my family.
This guy is just taking part in an exchange of ideas about service and pricing in general of this billion dollar industry. The responses some of you have made are predictable and immature and shows your lack of a willingness to here someone else's view.
I'm here to tell you that a Forum is to exchange ideas and maybe even help o...
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This guy is just taking part in an exchange of ideas about service and pricing in general of this billion dollar industry. The responses some of you have made are predictable and immature and shows your lack of a willingness to here someone else's view.
I'm here to tell you that a Forum is to exchange ideas and maybe even help o...
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That's why most business DON'T have Verizon. They make so many calls, they can't afford them for all of their employees to use and abuse.
Care to back this up?
Care to back this up?
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"Any consumer magazine, telecom worker or emergency crew member will all tell you the same thing: NO cellular phone is reliable, NONE!"
I'm a telecom worker, and I'd say that they are reliable. If you look around, you might find a few of us that would say that.
I'm a telecom worker, and I'd say that they are reliable. If you look around, you might find a few of us that would say that.
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I DON'T think cell phones are 100% reliable. I was simply responding to the above response. You just said you've had no problem with Sprint, so why argue with me that Verizon is justified in charging more money for their service? Bottom line: if someone can have roughly the same experience reliability wise that someone else has on another so-called "reliable" network, why pay more? Makes no sense, whatsoever. You also just made my point, whether you realize it or not. Katrina situations are not the issue, overall day to day reliability is, and I've yet to see or hear of a cell phone that even comes close to working where C.B.'s or pagers will, not to mention missing calls. Your personal experience, again doesn't change the fact that cellular...
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This entire post has made everyone that read it less intelligent.....THANKS!!!
Where are those 6-7 minutes of my life it took to read this.....they are lost forever and its your fault.
Talking about reliabilty and all that. Nothing is perfect and absolute. With the exception of death.
If you have a issue with Verizon and their pricing....don't go there. Simple.
If you don't like watching dancers in a night club...don't go there. Simple.
If you hate getting burned by the stove.....quit sticking your hand on the burner. Simple.
Someone stated that people complain about costs of phones and plans ,but, they never compared them to 10-15 years ago. I remember paying $75.00 a month for 50 minutes with nothing else. It was ...
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Where are those 6-7 minutes of my life it took to read this.....they are lost forever and its your fault.
Talking about reliabilty and all that. Nothing is perfect and absolute. With the exception of death.
If you have a issue with Verizon and their pricing....don't go there. Simple.
If you don't like watching dancers in a night club...don't go there. Simple.
If you hate getting burned by the stove.....quit sticking your hand on the burner. Simple.
Someone stated that people complain about costs of phones and plans ,but, they never compared them to 10-15 years ago. I remember paying $75.00 a month for 50 minutes with nothing else. It was ...
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*applause*
LG VX4400 was almost 200 bucks when it first came out. And people were happy to pay that. Now they want video/bluetooth/1.3mp camera/music player everything phone for free. Man how times have changed.
LG VX4400 was almost 200 bucks when it first came out. And people were happy to pay that. Now they want video/bluetooth/1.3mp camera/music player everything phone for free. Man how times have changed.
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The problem with your line of logic is you assume that what Verizon charges doesn't affect others who don't have them as a carrier. That's where you and everyone else who has said this is wrong.
What Verizon charges their customers affects the pricing in the wireless industry as a whole, since they are the leader, as so many of you have pointed out. As long as they don't lower their prices, then Cingular, T-Mobile and Sprint won't lower theirs, either.
As for wanting everything right now, Three years with basically the same plan, is an eternity in this industry. I'm simply saying three years is long enough! Lower those prices.
I don't expect perfection, but to say that Verizon or any other cellular company is reliable, is simply ri...
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What Verizon charges their customers affects the pricing in the wireless industry as a whole, since they are the leader, as so many of you have pointed out. As long as they don't lower their prices, then Cingular, T-Mobile and Sprint won't lower theirs, either.
As for wanting everything right now, Three years with basically the same plan, is an eternity in this industry. I'm simply saying three years is long enough! Lower those prices.
I don't expect perfection, but to say that Verizon or any other cellular company is reliable, is simply ri...
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Concerning Lambo... since the acquisition of Lambo from Megatech (an indonesian electronics company) by Audi, Lambo's reliability is second only to....
Porsche, another car you can't afford and the most reliable car ever made.
Maybe if you win the redneck retirement fund aka lottery, maybe you can go down to Bill Bob's autoshop and they can install a CB radio in it for ya. 10-4 good buddy.
Oh btw, how are them french fried tater's doin for ya.
Porsche, another car you can't afford and the most reliable car ever made.
Maybe if you win the redneck retirement fund aka lottery, maybe you can go down to Bill Bob's autoshop and they can install a CB radio in it for ya. 10-4 good buddy.
Oh btw, how are them french fried tater's doin for ya.
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And I don't get it. You say the others won't lower their price. What do you want unlimited min for 20.00 with text and internet? The others are lower already. I don't get what you want. Prices for wireless was crazy in the 90's came down allot!! then up a little with the introduction of text and web! Do you think if the prices fall to much more that they would invest so much into the network? Kind of what nextel's problem is now!
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what is wrong with you? learn how to use paragraphs to make your points. no one is going to read a never-ending paragraph that is as long as some childrens books.
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Again, they are saying the most reliable network....meaning, out of all the carriers, theyt are the most reliable. Not perfect. Nothing is.
We are sorry Verizon does not decide to put service up where you live....but, you think that maybe its because its pointless to put millions of dollars into an area that may take decades to recoup. Nobody puts towers up in swamp lands and deserts for the same reason. There is no money in it.
Comparing pagers to phones is comparing apples to oranges. Pagers are a much simpler technology utilizing different airwaves and frequencies.
Verizon is not at fault for high prices. You think that if every other carrier dropped their plans to $29.99 for 800 minutes Verizon wouldn't adapt? I guarantee onc...
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We are sorry Verizon does not decide to put service up where you live....but, you think that maybe its because its pointless to put millions of dollars into an area that may take decades to recoup. Nobody puts towers up in swamp lands and deserts for the same reason. There is no money in it.
Comparing pagers to phones is comparing apples to oranges. Pagers are a much simpler technology utilizing different airwaves and frequencies.
Verizon is not at fault for high prices. You think that if every other carrier dropped their plans to $29.99 for 800 minutes Verizon wouldn't adapt? I guarantee onc...
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funny. but that last paragraph made your previous arguement null and void.
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Honestly, what drugs are you on?
All you have ever proved in this rash of waste of time posts is this:
1. you are stupid
2. people will pay a premium for verizon wireless.
3. cell phone service, much like life and everything in it is far from perfect.
4. you are not just anti-verizonwirelees, you are anti-progress, anti-cell phone and anti-capitalism.
Good bye and good riddance troll.
when your iq hits a 100, you can come back.
All you have ever proved in this rash of waste of time posts is this:
1. you are stupid
2. people will pay a premium for verizon wireless.
3. cell phone service, much like life and everything in it is far from perfect.
4. you are not just anti-verizonwirelees, you are anti-progress, anti-cell phone and anti-capitalism.
Good bye and good riddance troll.
when your iq hits a 100, you can come back.
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You throw around anti-captialism like its a everyday verb. Charging more than you need to for cell phone service is not progress, nor is it anti-capitalist to say that it isn't right to do it.
I believe this Country, the one my family came to in the early 1700's when it was still a colony, was based on Capitalism, and not wanting to pay taxes for items they were not going to make a profit on, or paying a tariffs and higher prices for goods they can get cheaper if they ran things themselves. That is what this country was based on.
You said your brother is from Sydney in a earlier post, does that mean you are foreigner? If so, how can you throw around a word such as Anti-Captialist, you are in a country, like many who are reaping the ...
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I believe this Country, the one my family came to in the early 1700's when it was still a colony, was based on Capitalism, and not wanting to pay taxes for items they were not going to make a profit on, or paying a tariffs and higher prices for goods they can get cheaper if they ran things themselves. That is what this country was based on.
You said your brother is from Sydney in a earlier post, does that mean you are foreigner? If so, how can you throw around a word such as Anti-Captialist, you are in a country, like many who are reaping the ...
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First off, yes you are right I'm an actual immigrant, in fact I have immigrated twice in my life, once from Germany as a child and then in my early 20's when I transfered my schooling from Exeter College (Oxford) to University of Pennasylvania (Wharton). I stayed here because I started a real estate investment firm and I married an American woman.
What this has to do with anything I dunno.
As for your entire capitalism rant... well I honestly didn't think anybody would take that drivel so seriously. But here we are, bob's your uncle, and you seem to be seriously pist at me for disrepecting the precious union by using the phrase anti-capitalism. Much in the way George W Bush uses big words he doesn't understand, I was using a "big wo...
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What this has to do with anything I dunno.
As for your entire capitalism rant... well I honestly didn't think anybody would take that drivel so seriously. But here we are, bob's your uncle, and you seem to be seriously pist at me for disrepecting the precious union by using the phrase anti-capitalism. Much in the way George W Bush uses big words he doesn't understand, I was using a "big wo...
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Yes, lol, I would know them by just Exeter and Wharton alone, not at all pretentious, lol. I understand that you are poking fun at the guy, but throwing a word like that out is somewhat of a cheap shot, like starting a witch hunt, or McCarthyism.
Yes we all come from somewhere, except a big chunk of my family is of The Cherokee Nation, also England as well.
And no I am not seriously pissed, this is an online Forum lol. And you are talking to someone that wished that Texas was its own country with the amount of the U.S. economy we control, so Texas comes first, Then America comes second.
Yes we all come from somewhere, except a big chunk of my family is of The Cherokee Nation, also England as well.
And no I am not seriously pissed, this is an online Forum lol. And you are talking to someone that wished that Texas was its own country with the amount of the U.S. economy we control, so Texas comes first, Then America comes second.
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Wow, talk about a blast from the past with the McCarthyism reference.
As for Texas going independant... never gonna happen, just like California. Too much wealth, too many resources, too much knowledge and too much land. Because if Texas or Cali went, so would Arizona, New Mexico and possibly Nevada. Thats a land mass as big as Mexico with more wealth than the rest of the US. At which point we would probably be annexed by Mexico or least an attempted annex until we could organize a centralized military force.
As for Texas going independant... never gonna happen, just like California. Too much wealth, too many resources, too much knowledge and too much land. Because if Texas or Cali went, so would Arizona, New Mexico and possibly Nevada. Thats a land mass as big as Mexico with more wealth than the rest of the US. At which point we would probably be annexed by Mexico or least an attempted annex until we could organize a centralized military force.
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LOL, I may be young but I know my allusions. I know its a pipe dream but its what a lot of college kids down here want, and are oddly enough working on. There is atleast one group on college campuses here that want to see it done, because you are right, we have a big chunk of the wealth, and the best medical center, we have technology out the anus, and we have a lot of pissed off people that do not like America as much as we like Texas lol.
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"enV and VZW pricing tactics (PCMag.com)
by adilus Dec 6, 2006, 7:53 AM
I thought this was a really good story and really opened my eyes as to the short-sighted and overly aggressive pricing tactcs VZW uses. I think that the BlackJack is looking better and better."
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And this was one of the other reasons I had responded like this because you called VZW pricing tactics "short-sighted" and "overly aggressive", which basically what the original poster was trying to say.
by adilus Dec 6, 2006, 7:53 AM
I thought this was a really good story and really opened my eyes as to the short-sighted and overly aggressive pricing tactcs VZW uses. I think that the BlackJack is looking better and better."
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And this was one of the other reasons I had responded like this because you called VZW pricing tactics "short-sighted" and "overly aggressive", which basically what the original poster was trying to say.
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I'm not pro-VZW. I'm anti-stupid posts. Keep in mind that I've been coming to this forum for 2-3 years now and I've grown frustrated in that this forum used to be a very helpful forum whether it was for customers seeking bill help, technical help, etc. Now its just really coming across as VZW's competitors coming here and bashing it on things that are known limitations with VZW.
This isn't really the place to continually harp unless you are coming here to make a change. Take WNRussell for example. He is a moderator for the 710 lawsuits forum and such and while I misintentionally was hostile, thinking he was another troll, once I did some research and looked into what was happening I now support what he is trying to do. If jrsdf or w...
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This isn't really the place to continually harp unless you are coming here to make a change. Take WNRussell for example. He is a moderator for the 710 lawsuits forum and such and while I misintentionally was hostile, thinking he was another troll, once I did some research and looked into what was happening I now support what he is trying to do. If jrsdf or w...
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I understand what you are saying, sometimes people have the best of intentions but don't present them in a manner that is conducive to change, but that doesn't mean they need to be ostracized for them though.
On your locale, I guess I am lucky on where I am from because in the Houston Area, no one competitor sticks out above the rest no matter what Cell Companies say, so I can understand slightly where he is coming from in regards to competitive pricing, one of the many reasons I left Verizon, and now I have a cheap data plan with T-Mobile, and in fact if I ever go back to a bigger company it would be Cingular, unless Verizon drastically changes their rate plans with data.
On your locale, I guess I am lucky on where I am from because in the Houston Area, no one competitor sticks out above the rest no matter what Cell Companies say, so I can understand slightly where he is coming from in regards to competitive pricing, one of the many reasons I left Verizon, and now I have a cheap data plan with T-Mobile, and in fact if I ever go back to a bigger company it would be Cingular, unless Verizon drastically changes their rate plans with data.
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Couldn't agree more. And finally somone says what I've been trying to say all along. I'm critical on many points on many carriers, so I'm also not particualriyl a fanboy...I also know that there is no such thing as perfection. That's a given. VZW has done some improving in my area...but not much.
The only thing I've stated was fact for my area, Cingular is indeed a better value, and has proven to have better coeverage in my area. (Heck theres a tower on the telephone pole right next to my house. Just noticed that...and that surprised me.)
I say..to each his (or her) own. Each solution is right for certain people...there is really no right answer in this industry, but simply a "better" answer than what the previous answer was. O...
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The only thing I've stated was fact for my area, Cingular is indeed a better value, and has proven to have better coeverage in my area. (Heck theres a tower on the telephone pole right next to my house. Just noticed that...and that surprised me.)
I say..to each his (or her) own. Each solution is right for certain people...there is really no right answer in this industry, but simply a "better" answer than what the previous answer was. O...
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