Apple Lays An Egg ! ! !
Apple could have changed the cellular world by fighting to force the carriers to open their nets to any manufacturers phones from any source. Instead they strike an unholy alliance with Cingular ensuring the same old business model that has been used to screw customers and keep cellular networks as closed sources. Instead of competing against Nok, Mot, Sam, LG etc. on their home turf, Apple decided to play an away game which they will lose.
Apple will emerge a big loser. Using phones as music players was not gaining traction with the public. People still use separate MP3 player. The news of Apple phone will get the public used to the idea of using a phone as a music player, which will cut severely into traditional Ipod sales. The phone ap...
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Apple will emerge a big loser. Using phones as music players was not gaining traction with the public. People still use separate MP3 player. The news of Apple phone will get the public used to the idea of using a phone as a music player, which will cut severely into traditional Ipod sales. The phone ap...
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Nothing happened after the ROKR and SLVR L7 were released. MP3 player / iPod sales did not go down.
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Nither of those phone (or all the non-itunes MP3 playing phones for that matter) Made the public think of their phone as a music player. People bought phones with music player capability but never bothered to load any songs on it, instead keeping a sepaerate iPod/MP3 player.
The upcoming iPhone hysteria will get people thinking about using their phone as a music player. Hey, why should I buy a Nano ? ! ? I can use my VX8300 as a music player. Therefore, lost Nano sales.
However, I don't think iPhone will sell all that well. I'll admit it looks damn impressive. But $600 AND be tied into a contract with a carrier. You can go for it if you like. I wouldn't do it even if the phone washes the dishes.
The upcoming iPhone hysteria will get people thinking about using their phone as a music player. Hey, why should I buy a Nano ? ! ? I can use my VX8300 as a music player. Therefore, lost Nano sales.
However, I don't think iPhone will sell all that well. I'll admit it looks damn impressive. But $600 AND be tied into a contract with a carrier. You can go for it if you like. I wouldn't do it even if the phone washes the dishes.
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Are you going to be able to buy an 8GB memory card for your VX8300, or use the songs you already have on ITUNES with the VX8300? I think that is where Apple has got everyone, and do you think Steve Jobs would possibly make a decision on what product apple is going to make or in this case what carrier he is going to release the phone to, without reasearching this stuff...come on, you can't like verizon that much to know that he was never going to go in that direction.
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Read my posts and you’ll see I’m not a Verizon fanboy. In fact, my disappointment is mainly because I thought Apple had the power to break the carrier/handset monopoly. Apple has made all the right moves in the last six or seven years. Their winning streak won’t go on forever, and I think this is the end of that winning streak. Maybe Steve Jobs is distracted due the options back-dating scandal. But whatever Apple’s reason is for tying up with Cingular, I’ll bet you in a years time it will prove to have been a mistake.
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Want_New_Phone said:
In fact, my disappointment is mainly because I thought Apple had the power to break the carrier/handset monopoly.
And how in the world would they do that? Apple doesn't have a network of its own, and it would cost many billions to build one that would be comparable to Verizon, Sprint, or Cingular.
I don't think Apple is interested in fighting the fight you'd have 'em fight, and they prolly couldn't win even if they did. 😕
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funny, i better look at my slvr again cause apparently i was dreaming when i loaded my music. and i guess i lie to myself everytime i listen to my slvr when i play music on it.
i had a creative mp3, now i use my slvr cause of the memory and itunes. it's great for people like me who:
a) don't have that much music to invest in an ipod.
b) rather pay $200 for a phone that has the same software (camera, loudspeaker, interchangable memory cards, calender/organizer, alarm, email and text, you know, the kind of things an ipod doesn't have or have to buy add-ons for)then pay $250 for an ipod.
plus as a sales rep, i guess all of those people who ask me about mp3 player phones like the w810i have never heard of the ipod, or were blind of ...
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i had a creative mp3, now i use my slvr cause of the memory and itunes. it's great for people like me who:
a) don't have that much music to invest in an ipod.
b) rather pay $200 for a phone that has the same software (camera, loudspeaker, interchangable memory cards, calender/organizer, alarm, email and text, you know, the kind of things an ipod doesn't have or have to buy add-ons for)then pay $250 for an ipod.
plus as a sales rep, i guess all of those people who ask me about mp3 player phones like the w810i have never heard of the ipod, or were blind of ...
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Yep I agree its just a bunch of bs hype right now the fact that its a touch screen only is extremely lame....who wants the hassle of answering their phone touch screen only NOT me...plus 599 with a 2 year and edge only on top of that. LOL
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EDGE is still faster than anything VZW can do, plus who wouldn't want touch screen. its part of the future, but i guess you're still stuck in the stone age with a TDMA phone 🤣
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cingulars_best502 said:
EDGE is still faster than anything VZW can do, plus who wouldn't want touch screen. its part of the future, but i guess you're still stuck in the stone age with a TDMA phone 🤣
What? VZW's EVDO is a lot faster than EDGE. 😳
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but tell me what happens to EVDO when you leave an EVDO market? It stops working not on EDGE, you leave an EDGE area it will still work on GSM!!!
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cingulars_best502 said:
but tell me what happens to EVDO when you leave an EVDO market? It stops working not on EDGE, you leave an EDGE area it will still work on GSM!!!
Never really been an issue for me. VZW's got the urban areas pretty well blanketed with EVDO... don't find myself doin' a lotta data work out in the country. So I'd rather be on EVDO than on much slower EDGE. 😎
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cingulars_best502 said:
but tell me what happens to EVDO when you leave an EVDO market? It stops working not on EDGE, you leave an EDGE area it will still work on GSM!!!
Am I the only one who see's how retarded this comment is?
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ok so ya wanna know why the rocker and the sliver were not a big dent in ipod sales. because the itunes on the phones were limited to only 100 songs no matter how big of a memory card u put in it. the new iphone has 8 gig memory plus u will be able to expand. this is gonna be huge for cingular
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Sounds like Envy, sorry EnV for the verizon peeps, sorry I just had to lol.
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Like the RAZR, I'm sure it'll come to CDMA and Verizon eventually.
Apple is a US company, and CDMA is the majority of the market in the US. It'd be weird if there wasn't a CDMA version, but the GSM had to come first as its a bigger part of the world market. And prolly Cing shelled out some major ducats to get it as an exclusive for a few months.
Apple is a US company, and CDMA is the majority of the market in the US. It'd be weird if there wasn't a CDMA version, but the GSM had to come first as its a bigger part of the world market. And prolly Cing shelled out some major ducats to get it as an exclusive for a few months.
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Actually, the iPhone looks pretty impressive when you bother to read about it and see how it actually works. I'm not such a VZW fan-wagon rider than I can't admit that:
http://www.apple.com/iphone/ »
Hope it comes to CDMA and Verizon, it probably will, like the RAZR did. But I won't shell out $499 or $599 (plus 2-yr contract) for one or move to Cingular (iffy network where I live).
But when the price drops and it gets CDMA support, I'm all over that. I give it 'bout a year. 😎
http://www.apple.com/iphone/ »
Hope it comes to CDMA and Verizon, it probably will, like the RAZR did. But I won't shell out $499 or $599 (plus 2-yr contract) for one or move to Cingular (iffy network where I live).
But when the price drops and it gets CDMA support, I'm all over that. I give it 'bout a year. 😎
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I honestly think Apple should have released the device with both GSM and CDMA capabilities. Why would that have been so hard? They get direct profit, not split between the carrier and manufacturer, and everyone ha the opportunity to buy the device.
Releasing the unit with compatibility only for one network, that just cuts your potential sales in half - atleast. Apple could have made two versions. They have the funds, they have the initiative, and the ability alone to sell devices within this price point.
Let down for me personally, I really wish I could have this on VZW than any other currently offerd handset. VCast Music isnt all that to me. And I work for the company! LOL
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Releasing the unit with compatibility only for one network, that just cuts your potential sales in half - atleast. Apple could have made two versions. They have the funds, they have the initiative, and the ability alone to sell devices within this price point.
Let down for me personally, I really wish I could have this on VZW than any other currently offerd handset. VCast Music isnt all that to me. And I work for the company! LOL
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I'd love a Mac computer, phone, or whatever. But they are just WAY to expensive! I mean the Mac Mini doesn't even include a keyboard, mouse, or monitor, and has a 60 GB HD, yet the cheapest model sells for $600!
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The mac mini is actually designed to be used with your current peripherals. YOU DONT HAVE TO BUY THE OTHER STUFF! And its a mac, its a much better product than some emachines PC you can snag a bestbuy for $299. The mac mini once again proves that Apple is a company that is far ahead of its time and will continue to be a leader in innovation for years to come.
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I have been using verizon as long as I have had a cell phone since they were Bell Atlantic Mobile here in South Carolina. I will start service with Cingular and pay for another line just to have this phone. To have the ability to be completely compatible with my Mac is to much for me to let go. I have to have this phone, I dont care the cost and I dont care if I am carrying two Phones. This thing is what I have been waiting for. Good job Apple. Wish Verizon could have grabbed this one though.
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someone sounds a little bitter there. aww. is it cuz verizon did not get it? 🙄
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schlittertex said:
LOL you obviously haven't read about this phone
I have. Its either 500 or 600 bucks depending on capacity, with a 2-yr contract. 😳
It'll strongly appeal to the top 1% of the market or so, but it isn't a game-changer as far as the carriers are concerned. Joe Sixpack doesn't drop 500 on a phone.
By the time it does drop to mass-market prices, either the iPhone itself or knock-offs thereof will be on CDMA and Verizon.
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I disagree. USA Today ran an article recently stating that cell companies are coming out with more PDA devices b/c people are more willing to pay big bucks for devices now. They were saying that somewhere around 5-7% of consumers now own cellular devices that cost over $400 and many analysts expect that to rise to the 10-15% range within the next 2-3 years. Also, historically apple users have been willing to pay more for apple products. Macs cost more than PC's, but you won't see any apple person complain about that, same with the phone. Just my opinion, I think you're gonna see a lot more interest than 1%.
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dromant said:
I disagree. USA Today ran an article recently stating that cell companies are coming out with more PDA devices b/c people are more willing to pay big bucks for devices now. They were saying that somewhere around 5-7% of consumers now own cellular devices that cost over $400 and many analysts expect that to rise to the 10-15% range within the next 2-3 years. Also, historically apple users have been willing to pay more for apple products. Macs cost more than PC's, but you won't see any apple person complain about that, same with the phone. Just my opinion, I think you're gonna see a lot more interest than 1%.
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sort of like the RAZR. Wasn't it like 400 bucks when it first came out?
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If this phone is anything as good as I hope it is, Cingular just got a new 300 a month customer.
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I almost wept at the sight of this phone, its like we have finally come of age in the US compared to Europe and Asias phones.
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and since it wont come out until April the 3G one won't come out for a long ass time, and by the time it does verizon will have it.
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I read somewhere that Cingy has rights to it at least until 2009, especially since they have already posted the two year agreement cost.
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VZWookiee said:
For such a innovative phone dial up speeds is pretty laughable.
I'm sure the no 3G had to do with battery life.
If it had 3G, everyone would then be complaining about how the batt life wasn't good. 😳
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Yeah and its not like 3G has been a norm the last few years so who is going to know the difference?
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sangyup81 said:
Remember that Cingular's 3G is tied to Qualcomm
Yes, and Qualcomm = BREW
BREW = GIN
Try to find a phone that has both Java and GIN...
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Two-year agreement eh? So they'll have it until June '09. That's ok... I'm not dropping 500-600 plus 2-yrs and switchin' to a not-so-great carrier for it. 😛
I'll either get a knockoff or wait until the iPhone becomes cheap AND CDMA-available. Or perhaps Apple will come out with other models before that, which aren't bound by the agreement?
I'll either get a knockoff or wait until the iPhone becomes cheap AND CDMA-available. Or perhaps Apple will come out with other models before that, which aren't bound by the agreement?
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Yep cingular needs to shore up its sub par network/ customer service before I would even consider them, they suck in my area!
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Well I have the Cingy 8525, and I have to tell you, I am finally realizing that Verizon was sub par all over my home state, and I am glad I switched.
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I wish the same thing for the HP phones, but I'm not holding my breath.
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I don't care about 3g.
It has wifi and the primary places I live and visit have wifi hotspots everywhere!!!
BTW, I have 3 EVDO devices and outside my air card, evdo has extremely dissappointed me. Or maybe whats dissapointing me is that VZW is trying to become the new AOL of WEP service. Pay per view on top of pay per service is getting old. With the iPhone I would have full HTML and a ton of WiFi hotspots.
It has wifi and the primary places I live and visit have wifi hotspots everywhere!!!
BTW, I have 3 EVDO devices and outside my air card, evdo has extremely dissappointed me. Or maybe whats dissapointing me is that VZW is trying to become the new AOL of WEP service. Pay per view on top of pay per service is getting old. With the iPhone I would have full HTML and a ton of WiFi hotspots.
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Yeah, me too, I had EVDO and was not impressed, also VCAST at one point...I loved how I was watching Video with two second delays on audio...great stuff.
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Thats more of a problem inherent with underpowered processors in these phones rather than a delay in the data transmission.
With my env its the same problem. I have Star Wars Ep 3 in 3gp format and while I selected 30 fps, it only runs at around 18 and the audio during the battles is random.
My treo on the other hand doesn't have this problem but my treo is a dinosaur (650).
The iPhone supposedly is going to have a 650~ mhz processor with 256 mb ram... more than enough for the audio/video that I like to run.
With my env its the same problem. I have Star Wars Ep 3 in 3gp format and while I selected 30 fps, it only runs at around 18 and the audio during the battles is random.
My treo on the other hand doesn't have this problem but my treo is a dinosaur (650).
The iPhone supposedly is going to have a 650~ mhz processor with 256 mb ram... more than enough for the audio/video that I like to run.
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I've tried both & EV-DO worked just fine for me when i had a vx8300.
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wow you have a lot of hate in your blood 🤣
you post was enough to make me believe you want this phone but are pissed vzw isnt able to carry it.
if mp3 player phones arent gaining in the cellular industry why do manufacturers keep making them? why do carriers keep selling them? and WHY DO WE KEEP BUYING THEM?
also if they arent gaining in the industry why'd you state "The biggest winner of all this? Verizon’s V-Cast Music. The biggest losers? Apple and consumers."
im guessing this is because apple has nothing to do with v-cast music?
you post was enough to make me believe you want this phone but are pissed vzw isnt able to carry it.
if mp3 player phones arent gaining in the cellular industry why do manufacturers keep making them? why do carriers keep selling them? and WHY DO WE KEEP BUYING THEM?
also if they arent gaining in the industry why'd you state "The biggest winner of all this? Verizon’s V-Cast Music. The biggest losers? Apple and consumers."
im guessing this is because apple has nothing to do with v-cast music?
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Apple just hit a home run 😈
The iphone runs on Mac OS which means no virus and no blue screen of death. And it has Safari to surf the internet and widgets. Its like an ipod and Macbook combined.
The price is definitely hefty. However, you pay for what you get. Apple computers are expensive but they are great.
Obvious the posting to the subject varies depending on whether you are an Apple fan or someone that took the time to read the Apple website.
The iphone runs on Mac OS which means no virus and no blue screen of death. And it has Safari to surf the internet and widgets. Its like an ipod and Macbook combined.
The price is definitely hefty. However, you pay for what you get. Apple computers are expensive but they are great.
Obvious the posting to the subject varies depending on whether you are an Apple fan or someone that took the time to read the Apple website.
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Want_New_Phone said:
Apple could have changed the cellular world by fighting to force the carriers to open their nets to any manufacturers phones from any source.
This may have been legitament if we had inteligent informed customers, but with our current base in the united states there would be too much confusion as to whether someone should be buying the CDMA device or the GSM device. Not to mention once they purchase they are stuck with what they got.
Further more the cellular big wigs wouldn't be changing for little old Iphones. When selling to indirect outlets these companies tack on surcharges to each device. Concidering the amount of indirects out there this is a sizable chuck of change. Why...
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Cingular will have the rights atleast till 2009. Just like someone else said, they have already posted 2 year contract prices.
Why did Apple go with Cingular? Most likely because of customer base (largest customer base), best network (and dont flame, its a personal opinion), easiest network to integrate, GSM is far superior with CDMA and is easier to manipulate and upgrade. Im pretty sure Apple had alot to do with it, not Cingular. Apple most likely did their own studys, their own research before choosing a carrier. Do you really think that Apple, one of the largest companies in America, would have chosen a no good, horrible, drop every call, no service, outages network? NO! Most of you are to immatutre to look at the real picture ...
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Why did Apple go with Cingular? Most likely because of customer base (largest customer base), best network (and dont flame, its a personal opinion), easiest network to integrate, GSM is far superior with CDMA and is easier to manipulate and upgrade. Im pretty sure Apple had alot to do with it, not Cingular. Apple most likely did their own studys, their own research before choosing a carrier. Do you really think that Apple, one of the largest companies in America, would have chosen a no good, horrible, drop every call, no service, outages network? NO! Most of you are to immatutre to look at the real picture ...
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Ugh. Cingular definitely doesn't have the better network, no matter how much their cute lil' ads try to make us believe it. Their customer base is also barely larger than VZW, and actually smaller than VZW's when you count only postpaid customers (I'd find it kind of hard to believe that iPhone would be offered with prepaid, don't you? 😁 ).
What it really came down to was that Apple wants to hit the worldwide market with this thing, so that meant going GSM first, CDMA later. They also wanted to go exclusive for some reason. So the choices in the US really came down to Cingular and T-Mobile. Congrats, you beat out... T-Mobile. 🙄
What it really came down to was that Apple wants to hit the worldwide market with this thing, so that meant going GSM first, CDMA later. They also wanted to go exclusive for some reason. So the choices in the US really came down to Cingular and T-Mobile. Congrats, you beat out... T-Mobile. 🙄
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SystemShock said:
Ugh. Cingular definitely doesn't have the better network, no matter how much their cute lil' ads try to make us believe it. Their customer base is also barely larger than VZW, and actually smaller than VZW's when you count only postpaid customers (I'd find it kind of hard to believe that iPhone would be offered with prepaid, don't you? 😁 ).
What it really came down to was that Apple wants to hit the worldwide market with this thing, so that meant going GSM first, CDMA later. They also wanted to go exclusive for some reason. So the choices in the US really came down to Cingular and T-Mobile. Congrats, you beat out... T-Mobile. 🙄
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kissmySS said:
Worldwide market? Arent they coming out with the phone in the US first? 🤨 If they were going worldwide, they would have released it in other countries.
Uhh... you obviously didn't watch the Macworld keynote. iPhone is going to Europe in Q4 '07, and hits Asia in '08.
You are trying to make excuses for Mac not choosing VZW for the iPhone. You just cant come to the mere fact that Mac, a GLOBAL company, chose Cingular before VZW. Do you not think Mac did its research like I said before.
Um, perhaps you should do a little research. Its 'Apple', not 'Mac'. 😛
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SystemShock said:
If Cing was half as good as you believe, then why is Verizon constantly beating them in adding customers?
It could have something to do with Verizons fantastic add campaign. My favorite is the one where all the other providers network is card board people. Can you hear me now is a well known catch phrase. They market their products and service in a catchy appealing fasion. My wife wanted a chocolate just because of the commercial. She didn't even know what it did or didn't do. Cingular has hits with their Gophone commercials but the rest are rather lame.
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I would agree that Verizon does have a good ad campaign. However, Cingular spends TONS on ads themselves, and they have been rather good ads too, ever since the merger.
In fact, I'd say that the Cing ads are far 'slicker' than the Verizon ones. Its really a push between the two companies in the advertising department.
In fact, I'd say that the Cing ads are far 'slicker' than the Verizon ones. Its really a push between the two companies in the advertising department.
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