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GSM is so much better than CDMA as put so eloquently by the pimp of phones and cainmarko. If GSM is so much better why are they going over to WCDMA? If GSM is so much better why are they trying to become like CDMA?
Anyone who has some excellent facts from sources like www.gsmworld.com or www.cdmaworld.com please inform me.
Anyone who has some excellent facts from sources like www.gsmworld.com or www.cdmaworld.com please inform me.
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WCDMA, Is being used on GSM more for data usage. They were talking about the GSM Voice compared to CDMA Voice. Now it's not to say CDMA is not an awesome technology in itself and has it's points on top of GSM. Simply put, it's a matter of opinion... I lean more for GSM. But hey, that's just me.
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WCDMA is the best of both worlds. It uses a GSM core, but has a CDMA-style air interface. UTMS (WCDMA) has its advantages over CDMA as well: 16 slots as opposed to 10 for CDMA, greater spread allocation of spectrum, and much more. Even though it is based on Qualcomm's CDMA, it is NOT a Qualcomm product, but is open-source, so it can benefit from more development more quickly.
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WCDMA is not CDMA. Whole different beast. There is some relation, but not as much as the name might imply. WCDMA is very different from both CDMA and GSM.
As for the GSM vs. CDMA debate, I don't think there's one clear "winner". Each technology has major benefits.
It's easy to argue the benefits of GSM over CDMA because they are mostly current benefits that are tangible for end-users. Things like world-roaming, SIM cards, and nifty phones you can import from Europe and Asia and use here.
Whereas with CDMA, the benefits tend to be more carrier- and future-oriented. So that would be things like better spectral efficiency, smoother and cheaper upgrade paths to faster data technology, and seamless backward compatibility, including every...
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As for the GSM vs. CDMA debate, I don't think there's one clear "winner". Each technology has major benefits.
It's easy to argue the benefits of GSM over CDMA because they are mostly current benefits that are tangible for end-users. Things like world-roaming, SIM cards, and nifty phones you can import from Europe and Asia and use here.
Whereas with CDMA, the benefits tend to be more carrier- and future-oriented. So that would be things like better spectral efficiency, smoother and cheaper upgrade paths to faster data technology, and seamless backward compatibility, including every...
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You know, I don't buy the logic behind GSM-based companies touting this "world-roaming" crud. First of all, what percentage of customers would leave the US on a regular basis and need a phone that they can use in Europe? It can't be very high, industry-wide. And don't forget, even thought the phone MIGHT work outside of the US, doesn't mean you'd want to pay for all the high fees associated with it. Really, only a small number of people would actually need, and could afford, world-wide GSM service.
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Actually the more people use their phones internationally it helps lower the overhead cost associated with the int'l roam fees.
Now froim your" crud" thing.GSM has been used in Europe sine 1992, made its way to canada as a test ground back in 97', and launched USA in 2002.The tech. works on a much better bandwidth and BTW, your arguement was the axact arguement used by People who didn't want to switch from analog to Digital.
Now froim your" crud" thing.GSM has been used in Europe sine 1992, made its way to canada as a test ground back in 97', and launched USA in 2002.The tech. works on a much better bandwidth and BTW, your arguement was the axact arguement used by People who didn't want to switch from analog to Digital.
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GSM has been in the US before 2002. Ever hear of Voice Stream? aka TMobile these days....
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Yeah unfortunately, you can't rely on anything agent dumba$$ says. almost everything he says is complete nonsense.
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I say "so what?" on the international roam fees. You're still talking about a minor segment of the market. Look, my brother-in-law has AT&T GSM and uses it here and abroad. He's not originally from the US, and still travels back and forth several times a year. His phone works outside the US, but he doesn't use it unless its an emergency. It's still cheaper for him to pick up the landline while he's overseas than using his AT&T phone.
He is about the most extreme situation that I personaly know, i.e. going back and forth between international markets like that, and he has more than enough sense to use his cell phone outside of the US for fear of paying out the nose for it.
Personally, a couple months ago I tried an AT&T GSM phone...
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He is about the most extreme situation that I personaly know, i.e. going back and forth between international markets like that, and he has more than enough sense to use his cell phone outside of the US for fear of paying out the nose for it.
Personally, a couple months ago I tried an AT&T GSM phone...
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Well international roaming is VERY important. Roughly 30% of NYC and LA accts either request International roaming during activation or request it later. International roaming is VERY important to the larger markets. Considering these are the two largest markets in the US, i'd say that international roaming is important. It's not so much an issue say in alabama.....
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GSM does not mean a specific technology, it means an openended technmology. WCDMA is BETTER than CDMA. It's also opened sourced so qualcomm doesn't own it. That also means that WCDMA can be improved by anyone, not just qualcomm.
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Do they swing a watch in front of you guys at Cingular for training, it sounds like you are all hypnotized.
Fact 1: Qualcomm is not the only member of the CDG, they are a leading member, but others contribute to CDMA technology just like many contribute to the GSM alliance.
Fact 2: For a technology that is "better" it sure has had its share of problems everywhere it has been deployed.At this point in time it cannot be determined which is better because WCDMA is not yet fully successfully deployed.
As for "open source" that would be difficult because of the problems deploying changes across a variety of networks from different manufacturers. Sounds like chaos to me unless of course there is an association of operators which work toget...
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Fact 1: Qualcomm is not the only member of the CDG, they are a leading member, but others contribute to CDMA technology just like many contribute to the GSM alliance.
Fact 2: For a technology that is "better" it sure has had its share of problems everywhere it has been deployed.At this point in time it cannot be determined which is better because WCDMA is not yet fully successfully deployed.
As for "open source" that would be difficult because of the problems deploying changes across a variety of networks from different manufacturers. Sounds like chaos to me unless of course there is an association of operators which work toget...
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Um no, guy.
You don't have to work for cingular to know that qualcomm is the driving force behind the CDG. I NEVER said they were the ONLY player.
Gee you say WCDMA has had troublesome launches? That's not exactly true. The only real complaint I've heard about the product was that the first line of phones were kinda lame. Vodaphone themselves were just named the best UMTS network out of the 4 GERMAN UMTS networks. UMTS has had some really good launches actually. If your going to say that WCDMA cant be compared against CDMA because it's not fully deployed, then you cant even say that CDMA2k is better, because it's not fully launched either(EV-DO and EV-DV aren't exactly successfully launched themselves). 119 operators have already chose...
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You don't have to work for cingular to know that qualcomm is the driving force behind the CDG. I NEVER said they were the ONLY player.
Gee you say WCDMA has had troublesome launches? That's not exactly true. The only real complaint I've heard about the product was that the first line of phones were kinda lame. Vodaphone themselves were just named the best UMTS network out of the 4 GERMAN UMTS networks. UMTS has had some really good launches actually. If your going to say that WCDMA cant be compared against CDMA because it's not fully deployed, then you cant even say that CDMA2k is better, because it's not fully launched either(EV-DO and EV-DV aren't exactly successfully launched themselves). 119 operators have already chose...
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The "best" technology? Ok, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it is the best. The best technology is the one that works the best you. Look at Apple for instance. Apple is a better computer, but PCs rule the market and have the best R&D now because of it. GSM rules the world in other countries, but in the U.S. CDMA is king and is THE fastest growiing technology of the 2 worldwide.
Food for thought.
Food for thought.
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Did you read the post? "98% of the 3G licences have gone to UMTS". More than 1 in 10 people IN THE ENTIRE WORLD USE A GSM phone. Even CDMA gets every customer available in the next couple of years, GSM will still out-number CDMA. GSM has 1.2 billion customers compared to CDMA's 212 million. I never said CDMA is not a viable technology, but I won't sit around when someone says it's better than GSM. I don't know where you get your info, but GSM also has more subscribers in the US as well.
P.S. Apple doesn't make a computer that even COMES CLOSE to my AMD64 based Alienware.
P.S. Apple doesn't make a computer that even COMES CLOSE to my AMD64 based Alienware.
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I get my information from the fact that T-Mobile, Cingular, and AT&T subscriber base does not even total up to anywhere near what VZW, Sprint, and Alltel have combined. Take that fact and that most smaller companies like U.S. Cellular are on CDMA platform, and that is where I get my information. These FACTS are readily accessible by anyone. Also the FACT that CDMA is the fastest growing technology is directly from the CDMA Groups web page.
http://www.cdg.org/news/press/2004/aug10_04.asp »
Breakdown of top carriers:
CDMA:
VZW - 40.4 M
Alltel - 8.3 M
Sprint 22.2 M
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Total - 70.9 M
GSM:
Cingular - 25 M
AT&T - 21.7 M
T-Mobile - 13 M
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Total - 59.7 M
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http://www.cdg.org/news/press/2004/aug10_04.asp »
Breakdown of top carriers:
CDMA:
VZW - 40.4 M
Alltel - 8.3 M
Sprint 22.2 M
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Total - 70.9 M
GSM:
Cingular - 25 M
AT&T - 21.7 M
T-Mobile - 13 M
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Total - 59.7 M
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Technology discussion aside I don't think you can judge which techology is better by the number of subscribers. Verizon has long been a consumer based carrier and will have more subscribers.
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That's nice and all that you posted the listing of all the GSM carriers, but how about the actual numbers bub?
List of CDMA carriers:
http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/index.asp?h_area=4 »
85.6 M subscribers.
List of CDMA carriers:
http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/index.asp?h_area=4 »
85.6 M subscribers.
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Great,
You posted a link stating CDMA has more subscribers in North America. They Do. I never said they didn't. I said GSM has more in the states. In North America CDMA out-numbers GSM by less than 9 million. GSM out-numbers CDMA in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. The list I put up was for THE USA only. North America makes up about 45 percent of the entire CDMA subscriber base. It's one of the few places that have adopted it.
http://www.3gamericas.org/English/Statistics/2003/wh ... »
CDMA only had about 5 million customers added in the entire 2003 year compared to GSM's 14 million.
http://www.3gamericas.org/English/Statistics/2q04/wh ... »
as you can see, as of the 2Q, GSM added 11 million more compared to CDMA's 5.59...
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You posted a link stating CDMA has more subscribers in North America. They Do. I never said they didn't. I said GSM has more in the states. In North America CDMA out-numbers GSM by less than 9 million. GSM out-numbers CDMA in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. The list I put up was for THE USA only. North America makes up about 45 percent of the entire CDMA subscriber base. It's one of the few places that have adopted it.
http://www.3gamericas.org/English/Statistics/2003/wh ... »
CDMA only had about 5 million customers added in the entire 2003 year compared to GSM's 14 million.
http://www.3gamericas.org/English/Statistics/2q04/wh ... »
as you can see, as of the 2Q, GSM added 11 million more compared to CDMA's 5.59...
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Accually UMTS did have some very troublesome launches. DoMoCo (First UMTS carrier in the world) had three recalls on their phones. And i don't mean they had a phone model that was bad but they had to recall all their UMTS units and revert there customers back to GSM. On the other had they have been sucssefuly using UMTS for a number of years and Japan is almost exclusivly UMTS even thought they don't have the EU restrictions on CDMA.
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Yay, you were able to bait people by saying some stupid stuff. Great. Why do you remind me of Gargamel, now? Oh yeah... sniveling, coniving, and pathetic. Yeah, that's why. Only people with "manhood" problems play games like that...
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