Idea?
Does everyone think that the merge between AT&T & Cingular was a good idea? I am just wondering.
Thanks!
Thanks!
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AberFitchDuDe87 said:
Does everyone think that the merge between AT&T & Cingular was a good idea? I am just wondering.
Thanks!
What's funny to me, even after the merger, VZW still has the largest M2M footprint...and analysts are saying it will take about 18 months to a year before The New Cingular starts gaining positive momentum. By then, VZW will have tied or surpassed the customer base The New Cingular currently has since VZW adds more customers per quarter then any other wireless carrier and all of them combined. My 2 cents...
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Oh suk my big t0e! We have an0ther jr analyst from vzw....get out! 😛 😈
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Where DO you get your information?
Cingular has ALWAYS had the largest M2M footprint. Cingular was the first to introduce true M2M, meaning that they were the first company to offer M2M across their ENTIRE network, including their roaming partners. Even after Verizon decided to follow suit and do away with the local IN and replace it with national M2M, Cingular purchased AT&T which gave Cingular the largest digital network in America, which in turn makes them RETAIN their title for the largest M2M footprint.
Another thing. Verizon DOES NOT add more customers per quarter than all other wireless providers combined do. Q2 T-Mobile added 1.4 million customers while Verizon added 1.7 million. Without finding the exact n...
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Cingular has ALWAYS had the largest M2M footprint. Cingular was the first to introduce true M2M, meaning that they were the first company to offer M2M across their ENTIRE network, including their roaming partners. Even after Verizon decided to follow suit and do away with the local IN and replace it with national M2M, Cingular purchased AT&T which gave Cingular the largest digital network in America, which in turn makes them RETAIN their title for the largest M2M footprint.
Another thing. Verizon DOES NOT add more customers per quarter than all other wireless providers combined do. Q2 T-Mobile added 1.4 million customers while Verizon added 1.7 million. Without finding the exact n...
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Well, not really.
True, you can use your Verizon phone in alot of places where there are not Cingular/ATTWS (Now known as New Cingular) towers... but there aren't Verizon towers there either. Most of Verizon's "footprint" is what's called ROAMING AREA. And, if you look at their M2M "In" plan, you have to be on Verizon's network. Not on another carrier's network. If either party is roaming, both get nailed with minute usage.
True, you can use your Verizon phone in alot of places where there are not Cingular/ATTWS (Now known as New Cingular) towers... but there aren't Verizon towers there either. Most of Verizon's "footprint" is what's called ROAMING AREA. And, if you look at their M2M "In" plan, you have to be on Verizon's network. Not on another carrier's network. If either party is roaming, both get nailed with minute usage.
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not_in_halifax said:If either party is roaming, both get nailed with minute usage.
Not true. When you are using a Cingular phone and have M2M included in your plan, if your phone can make the call to another Cingular/AT&T customer you're using M2M minutes and NOT anytime minutes.
In simpler terms, even when roaming on another carrier's network (T-mobile for example), with Cingular M2M minutes are always used.
If you take a look at their coverage map (which includes T-mobile's roaming agreements) anywhere there is orange, M2M minutes can be used.
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I have to agree with Ruff. Our ATT and Cingular customers can use their mobile to mobile minutes!
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RUFF1415 said:not_in_halifax said:If either party is roaming, both get nailed with minute usage.
Not true. When you are using a Cingular phone and have M2M included in your plan, if your phone can make the call to another Cingular/AT&T customer you're using M2M minutes and NOT anytime minutes.
In simpler terms, even when roaming on another carrier's network (T-mobile for example), with Cingular M2M minutes are always used.
If you take a look at their coverage map (which includes T-mobile's roaming agreements) anywhere there is orange, M2M minutes can be used.
I'm well aware of how Cingular/AT&T's plan works. I was referring to Verizon's "In" plan and pointing o...
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Sorry. That was worded weird and I took "both" as Verizon AND Cingular. 🙂
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Oh, sorry. I meant that both parties on the particular call... not both cellular companies will nail you.
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What's funny to me, even after the merger, VZW still has the largest M2M footprint...and analysts are saying it will take about 18 months to a year before The New Cingular starts gaining positive momentum. By then, VZW will have tied or surpassed the customer base The New Cingular currently has since VZW adds more customers per quarter then any other wireless carrier and all of them combined. My 2 cents...
18 months to a year? 🙄
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18 months to a year to break even.....$41 billion is about $1850 per customer. With ARPU at about $58, that is almost $700 revenue per line. Take out acct mangmnt costs, all the new marketing, losses on new phone costs for AT&T custs migrating to Cingular, and that all adds up to a lot of time to make up for it.
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