Why Would Anyone........?
If Cingular is mergering(buy out) Attws, why would anyone want to join attws?
Would someone explain the advantage(s) to joining attws at this time?
They opened an Attws in the Gainesville, FL. Oaks Mall here, and the people who run it can't answer simple questions. And three of the four never heard of "phonescoop". Could attws hired more uninformed people?
A few months ago I dropped attws, I can see why now more people are doing the same now. đ˛
Would someone explain the advantage(s) to joining attws at this time?
They opened an Attws in the Gainesville, FL. Oaks Mall here, and the people who run it can't answer simple questions. And three of the four never heard of "phonescoop". Could attws hired more uninformed people?
A few months ago I dropped attws, I can see why now more people are doing the same now. đ˛
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Actually, our churn rate has gone down significantly since first quarter. People choose to go with AT&T Wireless because of it's excellent reputation for great coverage, and because it is written in the contract that we won't force anyone out of their plan without waiving the ETF. As far as employees not knowing what phonescoop is, that's a good question. One Great Advantage: EDGE Network; Cingular only utilized GPRS which equals 10-40 kbps, EDGE bursts at up to 180 kbps.
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That's not surprising considering your first quarter net loss of over 200,000 subscriber's was the largest loss by any carrier during a quarter in history.
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ATTWS' network is great, unfortunately if you have some sort of account problem, you are simply screwed.
I'm owed a credit from three month's ago, but it's never been applied and each time I call, they can't access my account records.
It's a moot point though, within the next week I'll hopefully be able to reach someone during the 15 minutes the ATTWS billing systems are up and cancel service. Or I'll just write a nice polite letter, but either way you can add one more to the churn.
I'm owed a credit from three month's ago, but it's never been applied and each time I call, they can't access my account records.
It's a moot point though, within the next week I'll hopefully be able to reach someone during the 15 minutes the ATTWS billing systems are up and cancel service. Or I'll just write a nice polite letter, but either way you can add one more to the churn.
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Toxic said:The majority of people out there don't have a clue what Phonescoop is. We're definitely in the minority. And as for joining ATTWS...you'll simply become part of Cingular. Simple, no?
If Cingular is mergering(buy out) Attws, why would anyone want to join attws?
Would someone explain the advantage(s) to joining attws at this time?
They opened an Attws in the Gainesville, FL. Oaks Mall here, and the people who run it can't answer simple questions. And three of the four never heard of "phonescoop". Could attws hired more uninformed people?
A few months ago I dropped attws, I can see why now more people are doing the same now. đ˛
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Does anyone know the web address that shows how Attws and Cingular areas overlap each other? If I remember correctly, there was very little differnce in their coverage. If you are not going to use data transfers, why use either one of these?
It seems Gsm coverage is NOT as good as their TDMA service what do you think? I had their TDMA service, but I dumped ATTWS.
I now use CDMA which is great! If Attws were to keep TDMA and not go with GSM I would of stayed with them.
(By the way, I'm not in the cell business, I work for the D.O.T., and they swear by CDMA)
I have read several forums and articiles about how great GSM is suppose to be, and I have heard GSM reception, I wouldn't buy into it.
I suggest anyone who plans t...
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It seems Gsm coverage is NOT as good as their TDMA service what do you think? I had their TDMA service, but I dumped ATTWS.
I now use CDMA which is great! If Attws were to keep TDMA and not go with GSM I would of stayed with them.
(By the way, I'm not in the cell business, I work for the D.O.T., and they swear by CDMA)
I have read several forums and articiles about how great GSM is suppose to be, and I have heard GSM reception, I wouldn't buy into it.
I suggest anyone who plans t...
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Does anyone know the web address that shows how Attws and Cingular areas overlap each other? If I remember correctly, there was very little differnce in their coverage. If you are not going to use data transfers, why use either one of these?
It seems Gsm coverage is NOT as good as their TDMA service what do you think? I had their TDMA service, but I dumped ATTWS.
I now use CDMA which is great! If Attws were to keep TDMA and not go with GSM I would of stayed with them.
(By the way, I'm not in the cell business, I work for the D.O.T., and they swear by CDMA)
I have read several forums and articiles about how great GSM is suppose to be, and I have heard GSM reception, I wouldn't buy into it.
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-_SHARD_- said:muchdrama said:
Oh, right! You play the slick "I'll post him saying something, but erase it so he'll get psyched out and never post again!" card with me hoping I'll go insane right? Wrong! I'm on to you! Hahahahhahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
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muchdrama said:-_SHARD_- said:muchdrama said:
Oh, right! You play the slick "I'll post him saying something, but erase it so he'll get psyched out and never post again!" card with me hoping I'll go insane right? Wrong! I'm on to you! Hahahahhahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
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muchdrama said:-_SHARD_- said:muchdrama said:
Oh, right! You play the slick "I'll post him saying something, but erase it so he'll get psyched out and never post again!" card with me hoping I'll go insane right? Wrong! I'm on to you! Hahahahhahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
OH đ¤ umm damn I actually asked a decent question on that one too, nows it gone âšī¸
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muchdrama said:...Toxic said:
Does anyone know the web address that shows how Attws and Cingular areas overlap each other? If I remember correctly, there was very little differnce in their coverage. If you are not going to use data transfers, why use either one of these?
It seems Gsm coverage is NOT as good as their TDMA service what do you think? I had their TDMA service, but I dumped ATTWS.
I now use CDMA which is great! If Attws were to keep TDMA and not go with GSM I would of stayed with them.
(By the way, I'm not in the cell business, I work for the D.O.T., and they swear by CDMA)
I have read several forums and articiles about how great GSM is suppose to be, and I have heard GSM
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I have to agree w/Shard. I think Attws shot themselves in the "foot" by going to GSM. Do you really think "everyone" is going to wait for Cingular and Attws to get their sh** together switching completely to GSM? Wrong! I didn't I jumped ship, and went to CDMA. (You know my profile, I don't work in the cell world) I just use it. And I'm pretty sure most of the people out there, don't need data transfers. They just use their phones for regular calls.
For so many years ATTWS were doing so well, now ATTWS is just waiting to merge/buy out, or you could say they are just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
As for CDMA, it's great, the camera phone is the way to go.(Now and in the future)
I biggest concern now is that in the future,...
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For so many years ATTWS were doing so well, now ATTWS is just waiting to merge/buy out, or you could say they are just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
As for CDMA, it's great, the camera phone is the way to go.(Now and in the future)
I biggest concern now is that in the future,...
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Oh what little knowledge you have of the cellular industry.
1) AWS and Cingular moved to GSM because GSM is the best technology out there right now.
2) Data is important and is a very lucrative addon.
3) The wider range of handsets have allowed the carriers of GSM to get a better discount on the phones, and they in turn can either pass the savings down to their customers or make a larger profit.
4) CDMA is the theoretical "good" technology. As was BETA the "better" technology, VHS dominated.
5) Moving to the GSM technology means it is easier to establish yourself as a "world" company and reap in the benefits of international roaming... how many people using VZW or Sprint for international roaming compared to choosing Cingular,...
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1) AWS and Cingular moved to GSM because GSM is the best technology out there right now.
2) Data is important and is a very lucrative addon.
3) The wider range of handsets have allowed the carriers of GSM to get a better discount on the phones, and they in turn can either pass the savings down to their customers or make a larger profit.
4) CDMA is the theoretical "good" technology. As was BETA the "better" technology, VHS dominated.
5) Moving to the GSM technology means it is easier to establish yourself as a "world" company and reap in the benefits of international roaming... how many people using VZW or Sprint for international roaming compared to choosing Cingular,...
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Well "Mycool" thank you for the feed back.
I don't see a lot of people having to use their phones overseas.
The way things are going and have been, most people use their phones HERE in the states. I would think a least 80% do. Of cause I could be wrong.
Yes if you are going overseas that is one thing. Look around you, all those people around you probably travel no more than a 50 mile or less radius from where they live.
I live near the U. of Fl. here in Gainesville, Fl. Those 50,000 plus students hang out in town.
The people going overseas are lucky if they can remember their passports. Most people traveling abroad have bussiness accounts. The average Joe doesn't. More average Joe's fly than bussiness people, wouldn't you ...
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I don't see a lot of people having to use their phones overseas.
The way things are going and have been, most people use their phones HERE in the states. I would think a least 80% do. Of cause I could be wrong.
Yes if you are going overseas that is one thing. Look around you, all those people around you probably travel no more than a 50 mile or less radius from where they live.
I live near the U. of Fl. here in Gainesville, Fl. Those 50,000 plus students hang out in town.
The people going overseas are lucky if they can remember their passports. Most people traveling abroad have bussiness accounts. The average Joe doesn't. More average Joe's fly than bussiness people, wouldn't you ...
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đ Man do you not know alot , there are so many people who travel over seas we have two whole departments to answer there calls.
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The average Joe also wants simplicity and to know that everything works everywhere. That is easier to achieve on a TDMA>GSM platform move than it is on an AMPS>CDMA conversion. One of the biggest problems I hear from CDMA customers moving to GSM is that the roaming and loss of their capabilities in Analog locations is one of the main reasons they are switching. People like to know they can call M2M TO anywhere, FROM anywhere, on ANY GSM carriers network. They like knowing they can text. In many cases, this is simply not possible in analog mode. People like the handset selection and features they can get on a GSM platform.
CDMA is a great technology, but BOTH have their good and bad points.
CDMA is a great technology, but BOTH have their good and bad points.
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Ah yes, because my entire post was centered around overseas travel... I clearly stated that it was their PRIME profit right?
It's just ONE of the reasons people choose GSM over CDMA. Not the ONLY reason.
It's just ONE of the reasons people choose GSM over CDMA. Not the ONLY reason.
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mycool said:Sigh. Did you do ANY research at all regarding CDMA? Where are the facts? Numbers? ANYthing? Pfft. I suggest you read this little gem... http://denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2002/10/GSM 3G.shtml
Oh what little knowledge you have of the cellular industry.
1) AWS and Cingular moved to GSM because GSM is the best technology out there right now.
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I've already read that article (which, by the way is a terrible article)... unfortunately you didn't read the point I made...
CDMA is a "good" technology when utilized properly, unfortunately it isn't. Also, it may be the "best" mathematically, but like I pointed out, BETA should have been a better format for video by numbers, but VHS overtook it regardless.
CDMA is a "good" technology when utilized properly, unfortunately it isn't. Also, it may be the "best" mathematically, but like I pointed out, BETA should have been a better format for video by numbers, but VHS overtook it regardless.
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mycool said:Verizon and Sprint don't utilize CDMA technology well? And why compare BETA and VHS to CDMA and GSM? CDMA's here to stay. BETA went the way of the dodo.
CDMA is a "good" technology when utilized properly, unfortunately it isn't. Also, it may be the "best" mathematically, but like I pointed out, BETA should have been a better format for video by numbers, but VHS overtook it regardless.
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Because it shows that numbers don't mean that a technology is better.
BETA was better than VHS in terms of numbers, but in reality it wasn't.
CDMA is better than GSM in terms of numbers, but in reality it isn't.
And no, neither Sprint nor Verizon utilize CDMA well enough. Firstly, Sprint speaks for itself, they just plain suck with exception to their "cool" phones.
Verizon's digital network sucks big time. I give them props on deploying 800 Mhz CDMA instead of purely 1900 Mhz, but they rely too much on AMPS service EVEN in non-rural areas!! I mean, c'mon, they need to get with the digital picture here. They're closer to utilizing CDMA better than Sprint is especially since they are trying to jump the gun here and get their version ...
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BETA was better than VHS in terms of numbers, but in reality it wasn't.
CDMA is better than GSM in terms of numbers, but in reality it isn't.
And no, neither Sprint nor Verizon utilize CDMA well enough. Firstly, Sprint speaks for itself, they just plain suck with exception to their "cool" phones.
Verizon's digital network sucks big time. I give them props on deploying 800 Mhz CDMA instead of purely 1900 Mhz, but they rely too much on AMPS service EVEN in non-rural areas!! I mean, c'mon, they need to get with the digital picture here. They're closer to utilizing CDMA better than Sprint is especially since they are trying to jump the gun here and get their version ...
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Because it shows that numbers don't mean that a technology is better.
BETA was better than VHS in terms of numbers, but in reality it wasn't.
CDMA is better than GSM in terms of numbers, but in reality it isn't.
And no, neither Sprint nor Verizon utilize CDMA well enough. Firstly, Sprint speaks for itself, they just plain suck with exception to their "cool" phones.
Verizon's digital network sucks big time. I give them props on deploying 800 Mhz CDMA instead of purely 1900 Mhz, but they rely too much on AMPS service EVEN in non-rural areas!! I mean, c'mon, they need to get with the digital picture here. They're closer to utilizing CDMA better than Sprint is especially since they are trying to jump th
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This is annoying, i'm not even gonna bother repeating WHY CDMA isn't a good technlogy (even in the US).
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Now Now.....
Do we have to argue amongst ourselves, some people may not have their facts straight, some of us may not give a rats....
But if I understand my facts correctly we're here to have a good time.
Lets do that and stop arguing over the petty business of technologies.
Do we have to argue amongst ourselves, some people may not have their facts straight, some of us may not give a rats....
But if I understand my facts correctly we're here to have a good time.
Lets do that and stop arguing over the petty business of technologies.
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mycool said:If it's annoying you, and you can come up with information that contradicts me, than post it. I'm trying to have an intelligent conversation with you (and not attacking you).
This is annoying, i'm not even gonna bother repeating WHY CDMA isn't a good technlogy (even in the US).
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BETA is very much alive and well in professional circles. It's also been the seed for digital formats such as DVCPRO, which you will never see in a consumer device despite it being clearly superior to anything else.
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that doesn't matter... the point was VHS was the "lesser" technology numerically, yet it crushed BETA because that is what the people adapted to. Noone cares which one is better, people just wanted to watch movies.
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mycool said:And my point was that CDMA isn't going anywhere.
that doesn't matter... the point was VHS was the "lesser" technology numerically, yet it crushed BETA because that is what the people adapted to. Noone cares which one is better, people just wanted to watch movies.
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They are building out in "new" markets and expanding current ones beyond buying out smaller companies and overlaying their existing networks.
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That is one of the dumbest things to say imo. Who cares if someone hasnt heard of phonescoop. We arent even allowed to go there in the call centers. What does there competency level have to do with phonescoop. If i didnt know about this site i wouldnt be bad at my job, it doesnt help me with my job (no offense rich đ ) But if they cant do the job with our intranet then ya they have problems. And imo again, joining right know lets you use Cing's towers so thats a plus. Once they merge maybe you'll get rollover which seems to be a big seller. So bigger network.
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I hate to tell you this, but ATTWS and Cingular aren't that good. You can post whatever you want, Consumer Reports, Fortune magazine, Money magazine, pretty took away GSM's "thunder".
Though I do NOT work in the cell "biz", I have done research in this matter. For the people who work for the two companies above, swallow your pride. You have decent phones, but the coverage is NOT there. I dumped ATTWS a few months ago.
The churn rate is still high for both companies, check your fortune 500 listings, and you'll see how craby both the said companies did.
You guys make me laugh when I raed the stuff you post. People aren't that stupid. Most of the time you guys speak more of pride than fact. I have seen the facts, so stop braggy ...
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Though I do NOT work in the cell "biz", I have done research in this matter. For the people who work for the two companies above, swallow your pride. You have decent phones, but the coverage is NOT there. I dumped ATTWS a few months ago.
The churn rate is still high for both companies, check your fortune 500 listings, and you'll see how craby both the said companies did.
You guys make me laugh when I raed the stuff you post. People aren't that stupid. Most of the time you guys speak more of pride than fact. I have seen the facts, so stop braggy ...
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Toxic said:I'd trust Sprint's network over ATTWS or Cingular's any day.
Sprint is slightly worse than the two companies mentioned above.
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Hmmm...last I checked Cingular was privately held, not publicly traded...which effectively rules out the Fortune 500.
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