Someone Please Explain About Your Phone As A Moduem....
hey guys,
i just need to clear this up, i hear some people say that you can use your phone to browse the web on your laptop, but i know you can't use media net for that. I basicly have the following questions.
1) Is there any restrictions with laptops using the phones as moduems?
2) Is the speed crippled?
3) What sort of data plan you need for this?
4) What sort of charges will occur?
i just need to clear this up, i hear some people say that you can use your phone to browse the web on your laptop, but i know you can't use media net for that. I basicly have the following questions.
1) Is there any restrictions with laptops using the phones as moduems?
2) Is the speed crippled?
3) What sort of data plan you need for this?
4) What sort of charges will occur?
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The speeds will only vary depending if your phone is gprs or edge or 3g. The only thing that will restrict laptops is if they support cingular connection manager. You need the 59.99 unlimited data connect plan to do this. If you don't have it you pay per use at 1c/kb
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http://www.cingular.com/support/maps.do »
this will show your covage for data i personal think your would be better of with cingular wifi rather then use of phone as mod.
this will show your covage for data i personal think your would be better of with cingular wifi rather then use of phone as mod.
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ok here's the deal, you do not need the 59.99 data plan unless you are connecting through CCM (cingular communication manager)
if you get a moto v3xx, which is giving me about 900 Kbps at the moment you can connect through moto phone tools and you will only need the MEDIA MAX 200 for $19.99 and you can browse as much as you want 😎 plus have 200 texts to boot...lol
i myself have both a PC card and a v3xx, and both provide relatively the same speed, the pc card does get faster bursts every now and then...but i have a feeling since i don't have the new pc card with 3.6 max speeds that when the speed gets turned up in a few months that my phone will get faster service, i might just turn my data line into a 9.99 FT add-on since i am still ...
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if you get a moto v3xx, which is giving me about 900 Kbps at the moment you can connect through moto phone tools and you will only need the MEDIA MAX 200 for $19.99 and you can browse as much as you want 😎 plus have 200 texts to boot...lol
i myself have both a PC card and a v3xx, and both provide relatively the same speed, the pc card does get faster bursts every now and then...but i have a feeling since i don't have the new pc card with 3.6 max speeds that when the speed gets turned up in a few months that my phone will get faster service, i might just turn my data line into a 9.99 FT add-on since i am still ...
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Mr. jjgreene is unfortunately incorrect.
Per the terms and conditions of Medianet it CANNOT be used for tethering.
You can use a phone and tether it, the posted price is $59.99 laptop connect. The speed is the same as the phone can support.
Per the terms and conditions of Medianet it CANNOT be used for tethering.
You can use a phone and tether it, the posted price is $59.99 laptop connect. The speed is the same as the phone can support.
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Where in the terms and conditions?
Have a link?
Oh wait... I just remembered...
...speaking of remembering things...
IRONY
Serious...
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Have a link?
Oh wait... I just remembered...
texaswireless
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
Please explain to me where it is in my interest to show someone across the country how to find the T&C on a website not run, owned or designed by me?
...speaking of remembering things...
texaswireless
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
Captainplooky made a fool of himself, in writing, for all to see. Captainplooky was in front of a computer at 12:51 AM on a Friday night because he has no social life. That was also, you guessed it, in writing.
IRONY
Serious...
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Typical. You say it exists, and are willing to share that information, but the only catch is you need personal identifiable information (which you know anyone in their right mind would refuse).
Thank you for proving my point exactly.
Typical. You say it exists, and are willing to share that information, but the only catch is you need personal identifiable information (which you know anyone in their right mind would refuse).
Thank you for proving my point exactly.
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You can have it faxed to your local kinkos.
You can have it faxed to numerous e fax mail boxes where you can be completely anonymous.
Think outside the box dude.
Of course, you REALLY don't want someone to show you anything as you are simply here to berate and belittle. Faxing you the proof would never shut you up.
For someone in the technical industry as you state on your profile you sure aren't very aware of ways to receive a fax in this day and age.
You can have it faxed to numerous e fax mail boxes where you can be completely anonymous.
Think outside the box dude.
Of course, you REALLY don't want someone to show you anything as you are simply here to berate and belittle. Faxing you the proof would never shut you up.
For someone in the technical industry as you state on your profile you sure aren't very aware of ways to receive a fax in this day and age.
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Not sure exactly which represented a more sad state of your life...
That you trolled to reply to my post so quickly that early in the morning or that you had these quotes so readily available from years past.
Oh, btw, still waiting on that fax number. I have those T&C ready to send to you.
That you trolled to reply to my post so quickly that early in the morning or that you had these quotes so readily available from years past.
Oh, btw, still waiting on that fax number. I have those T&C ready to send to you.
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Quit your whining, it looks like you found it yourself.
Nothing like a little work to make the day go by faster eh pooky bear?
Nothing like a little work to make the day go by faster eh pooky bear?
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http://www.cingular.com/media/terms »
Furthermore, unlimited plans (except for DataConnect and Blackberry Tethered) cannot be used for any applications that tether the device (through use of, including without limitation, connection kits, other phone/PDA-to-computer accessories, Bluetooth® or any other wireless technology) to laptops, PCs, or other equipment for any purpose.
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Thanks Ralph, I had seen that as well, but I am unable to resolve that statement along with the one I pointed out in the Cingular KB.
https://cingular.atgnow.com/cng/tutorials/KB58758.html »
The two clauses, as well as texaswireless' statements, seen to directly contradict one another.
https://cingular.atgnow.com/cng/tutorials/KB58758.html »
The two clauses, as well as texaswireless' statements, seen to directly contradict one another.
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That may be, however is that an actual document from the Cingular KB? I was under the assumption that it was a reference site, much like the downloadable content Cingular offers.
I also found this:
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I also found this:
cortopar, August 2005...
http://discuss.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=94253 »
I spoke with a Cingular rep about my data issues, and she left me a number of times to "check the settings on [my] phone." After a while she said everything seemed fine. At the end of the call, she asked what phone I had and I told her a Treo 650. She immediately went into a rant about how I had the wrong plan, needed to add the DataConnect option for $39.99 and if I didn't, I would be charged per/KB usage fees. After running around in circles
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It's probably a refrence site from a particular group, but it's in no way an official Cingular document or anything. There's no telling when it was written or by whom.
Also, policies do change. The last article was written in 2005. I've been around since then and I'll make no secret that things have been confusing at times. They've gotten a LOT better at getting information to people (and making it the same information). This is why they give us bi-weekly sales meetings on a variety of topics.
Also, policies do change. The last article was written in 2005. I've been around since then and I'll make no secret that things have been confusing at times. They've gotten a LOT better at getting information to people (and making it the same information). This is why they give us bi-weekly sales meetings on a variety of topics.
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I wanted to fax the same document to him but he was afraid I was trying to reveal his secret superhuman identity.
Good post.
Good post.
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I found this information Phonehero.
https://cingular.atgnow.com/cng/tutorials/KB58758.html »
It states:
Unless my reading comprehension skills are lacking, it appears you can tether with MediaNet package, however, you may be subject to charges at an out of bucket data rate.
https://cingular.atgnow.com/cng/tutorials/KB58758.html »
It states:
mMode/MEdia Net: mMode/ MEdia Net rate plans are designed for accessing the internet via the device browser. Use of the phone as a tethering device, or use of the SIM in a modem card or PDA may be subject to charges at an out of bucket data rate. For more information, please contact Cingular Customer Care.
Unless my reading comprehension skills are lacking, it appears you can tether with MediaNet package, however, you may be subject to charges at an out of bucket data rate.
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Also note that page has broken links.
Quality apparently is not job one at Cingular.
Quality apparently is not job one at Cingular.
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WTF?
Oh I guess you redefined "cannot" and forgot to let everyone else know.
Texaswireless
Mr. jjgreene is unfortunately incorrect.
Per the terms and conditions of Medianet it CANNOT be used for tethering.
Oh I guess you redefined "cannot" and forgot to let everyone else know.
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yeah he replaced "may" with "cannot", but in all honesty he is right in the fact that it is not the right data plan.
....the simple fact of the matter is that cingular only tracks your data usage, and has no way to tell what you were doing, whether it be browsing the internet on my phone or on my computer through tethering...therefore the question laid before you is do you pay $60/month as cingy wants you to, or do you pay 19.99/month using it how you want to and keep your mouth shut?
....the simple fact of the matter is that cingular only tracks your data usage, and has no way to tell what you were doing, whether it be browsing the internet on my phone or on my computer through tethering...therefore the question laid before you is do you pay $60/month as cingy wants you to, or do you pay 19.99/month using it how you want to and keep your mouth shut?
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and yes texas it is 10:40 on a friday night, i must be a loser, right? or could it be my Girlfriend is out of town for the weekend?
Just preventing assumptions my good friend.
Just preventing assumptions my good friend.
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Dude, I have no issues with when you post and I appreciate the admission that indeed it is the wrong plan. Will it work, yes. Are you at risk, absolutely.
And Cingular does have the ability to get an idea of how much you are using in relation to your potential plan usage. Someone downloading 250 MB a month on a Medianet plan does put up a red flag in their system. I have had to deal with customers who have had their Medianet plan cancelled and were told either pay 1 cent per KB or get the right plan.
And Cingular does have the ability to get an idea of how much you are using in relation to your potential plan usage. Someone downloading 250 MB a month on a Medianet plan does put up a red flag in their system. I have had to deal with customers who have had their Medianet plan cancelled and were told either pay 1 cent per KB or get the right plan.
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i think were the discussion needs to go from here is, is it legal, isn't unlimited data exactly what it says it is? That being unlimited data. In cingular's terms and conditions i have not found it word for word yet...
this being the link to them:
http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/legal/pla ... »
But i have found some interesting things that you are not supposed to be allowed to do with any unlimited data plan, some of which i do.
From file sharing programs(i.e. limewire), to streaming video..like my comcast fan, vongo video downloads, and youtube.com. Guess my point is that if you are using these when cingular expressly forbids you to, then why not use a lower rate plan if you can get away with it?
this being the link to them:
http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/legal/pla ... »
But i have found some interesting things that you are not supposed to be allowed to do with any unlimited data plan, some of which i do.
From file sharing programs(i.e. limewire), to streaming video..like my comcast fan, vongo video downloads, and youtube.com. Guess my point is that if you are using these when cingular expressly forbids you to, then why not use a lower rate plan if you can get away with it?
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That's kind of like saying if I'm already stealing a car, why not speed? It honestly makes sense, but that doesn't make either of them any better.
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I disagree.
I believe it's more akin to going to a stealership and having a conversation similar to this:
C = Customer
D = Dealer
C - I'd like to buy this car.
D - Are you going to drive it on the highways?
C - Yes
D - Well that car is only sold to be driven on city roads. Now this one here, is for highways and cities, but it's 50% more expensive.
C - Aren't they both just roads?
I believe it's more akin to going to a stealership and having a conversation similar to this:
C = Customer
D = Dealer
C - I'd like to buy this car.
D - Are you going to drive it on the highways?
C - Yes
D - Well that car is only sold to be driven on city roads. Now this one here, is for highways and cities, but it's 50% more expensive.
C - Aren't they both just roads?
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In your example it's more like a toll road, since roads and streets are paid for by taxes (meaning you've already paid for it). The data routes are private, much more like a toll road.
Now, there are two different toll roads for you to be on. You can be on the one that is open to everyone, or you can be on the one that is reserved for people with the nicer vehicle. On either of these roads, we also charge by the axle. The more on your vehicle, the more it costs you per toll booth.
Now, there are two different toll roads for you to be on. You can be on the one that is open to everyone, or you can be on the one that is reserved for people with the nicer vehicle. On either of these roads, we also charge by the axle. The more on your vehicle, the more it costs you per toll booth.
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Negative.
They are trying to price based on content. This is a prime example of the conflict of interest that is encountered with content providers and service providers, who want to be both.
Sending and receiving streams of bits is all that is happening.
Charging different prices for how those streams of bits are used is another animal entirely.
They are trying to price based on content. This is a prime example of the conflict of interest that is encountered with content providers and service providers, who want to be both.
Sending and receiving streams of bits is all that is happening.
Charging different prices for how those streams of bits are used is another animal entirely.
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No, it's not based on content. It's really based on quantity. The real issue is that we label it all "unlimited" when it's not going to be if you use it for things that the package doesn't intend it for.
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The silly part is the name, yes. It kind of makes sense, but only barely. It's unlimited "for these purposes, but not for these." That's why we try to get people onto the plan that will fit their needs.
I'm starting to see what you mean about content, but they don't really care about what you're looking at. It's true that certain things use more or less data, which thereby limits what content you can view.
I'm starting to see what you mean about content, but they don't really care about what you're looking at. It's true that certain things use more or less data, which thereby limits what content you can view.
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"for these purposes, but not for these."
Yeah, this is exactly what I have contention with.
I get your perspective as well.
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I think the unlimited tag is mainly for marketing. People would be MUCH less apt to buy something if it was listed on it's label what it's for and it would raise a lot of questions on the consumers end (valid questions) that a lot of reps aren't knowledgeable of. Device and data knowledge are something they're focusing heavily on with us this year, so hopefully consumers will see a positive result because of that in their experiences.
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They have recently changed the brochures to read "unlimited medianet and Cingular Video" for the media max plans. And of course they still breakdown the definition further in the T&C previously posted.
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This is taken directly from Cingular's website:
Get ready to open up the power of your phone! Enjoy unlimited high quality video and entertainment in the palm of your hand. Cingular Video brings you video clips of your favorite TV shows, music videos, movie trailers, comedians and sports highlights. With Unlimited MEdia Net you can browse the web, check email, get movie times and sports scores, news and weather. Plus you can send and receive 200 messages any way you want- text, picture, video and IM. Each message counts the same. Get a MEdia Max Bundle and have UNLIMITED access to Cingular Video, MEdia Net and the freedom to message any way to any one.
The key phrase their is Unlimited Media Net, no unlimited internet. Media Net is Cin...
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Get ready to open up the power of your phone! Enjoy unlimited high quality video and entertainment in the palm of your hand. Cingular Video brings you video clips of your favorite TV shows, music videos, movie trailers, comedians and sports highlights. With Unlimited MEdia Net you can browse the web, check email, get movie times and sports scores, news and weather. Plus you can send and receive 200 messages any way you want- text, picture, video and IM. Each message counts the same. Get a MEdia Max Bundle and have UNLIMITED access to Cingular Video, MEdia Net and the freedom to message any way to any one.
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False,
They are pricing based on potential usage and server access. isp.cingular.com server usage has more bandwidth capacity for customers who will use laptop cards and PDA devices with more data to download. wap.cingular.com is what everyone else uses including picture messaging, ringtone/game/etc. downloads, and medianet usage.
You don't have to like the explanation but stop trying to degrade ralphs explanation. He is 100% dead on with his analogies.
They are pricing based on potential usage and server access. isp.cingular.com server usage has more bandwidth capacity for customers who will use laptop cards and PDA devices with more data to download. wap.cingular.com is what everyone else uses including picture messaging, ringtone/game/etc. downloads, and medianet usage.
You don't have to like the explanation but stop trying to degrade ralphs explanation. He is 100% dead on with his analogies.
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yes this is true.....but honestly who reads the terms of service? Which one of your customers hvae set down and read the terms of service? If you get an unlimited internet package..are you going to stream videos online to entertain yourself? Most likely, but according to your terms of service you are breaking the contract.....if you are looking to have internet access you get an unlimited internet package, (media net gives you access to any webpage on my phones) you are going to tether it and do whatever else you please with it.
There are tricks of the trade in just about anything you do, the more aware of things that you are, as well as willing(weighing your options)to take the risk the further ahead you can get. If you can save $40 b...
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What they are trying to do is charge more money for the same service, to people who are more likely and able to pay more money for the same service.
Simple as that imho.
Simple as that imho.
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If you get a phone from me, I'm going to tell you what you can and can't do. It's part of my job to get the customer what services they want to fit their needs.
I wouldn't call any of it "tricks" but I would call it an exploit. They'll catch you eventually, just like they don't catch you speeding every time you do it.
On Plooks concern, it's not the same service either. MEdia Net services are not the same as Data services. They connect differently and the service they give you is different too.
I wouldn't call any of it "tricks" but I would call it an exploit. They'll catch you eventually, just like they don't catch you speeding every time you do it.
On Plooks concern, it's not the same service either. MEdia Net services are not the same as Data services. They connect differently and the service they give you is different too.
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On Plooks concern, it's not the same service either. MEdia Net services are not the same as Data services. They connect differently and the service they give you is different too.
Please, lets examine this further.
How do they connect differently?
Other then that, aren't they both just moving bits back and forth between Cingular and the customer?
The content that the bits represent should be irrelevant to how the service to exchange them is priced.
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MEdia Net connects through our WAP servers. WAP is an html language similar to xml, and not very data intensive. This is what web pages for phones are written in.
Our Data plans connect through different servers which set up Cingular as your ISP. On our data devices, you can even go into your internet settings and see the different domains each uses. Web pages meant to be viewed on PDAs, are written in full html and require specific browsers to be able to interpret them. They also contain more data, and therefore transmit more.
The content contained in each bit doesn't matter, but how much does matter. Even though it says unlimited data, it's not meant to be used to an extent where it affects other users data or the carriers abil...
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Our Data plans connect through different servers which set up Cingular as your ISP. On our data devices, you can even go into your internet settings and see the different domains each uses. Web pages meant to be viewed on PDAs, are written in full html and require specific browsers to be able to interpret them. They also contain more data, and therefore transmit more.
The content contained in each bit doesn't matter, but how much does matter. Even though it says unlimited data, it's not meant to be used to an extent where it affects other users data or the carriers abil...
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Wow...
Data is data. There is no way around it.
In all honestly, from my perspective, you are just reaffirming my opinion.
Data is data. There is no way around it.
In all honestly, from my perspective, you are just reaffirming my opinion.
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Yes, data is data. I said that. Did you miss the part about web language and which type of phone and package connects to which type of server?
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You can think that, but they are different. You can check the settings on your devices to see it.
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A WAP server, that you spoke of earlier, is no different from any web server, except for the software it employs.
My home computer could be a WAP server if I so inclined.
The differences in hardware and software was what I was qualifying.
Transmission of data wirelessly, that is labeled "unlimited", but broken into categories based on content is what I'm objecting to.
My home computer could be a WAP server if I so inclined.
The differences in hardware and software was what I was qualifying.
Transmission of data wirelessly, that is labeled "unlimited", but broken into categories based on content is what I'm objecting to.
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very true. I'm not sure how many of each type of server they have nor what speeds and bandwidth are dedicated to each type.
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