wow.... forethought. How refreshing 😁

Also the 64K SIM's will come pre-loaded w/ Applications to provide customers with more convenience regarding their account etc...

They also need the bigger Sim to hold the all RNOC information. You know all the Sid/bid list for both Cingular and AT&T...

The main reason for the 64 k sim is the ENS which more memory is need for the application. That alone is the best thing about the new merger. Cingular actually has a better network than Verizon but you wouldn't know because the old sims automatically use the last network the phone was on (whether it was Cingular or not) and causes the dropped calls and holes in coverage. The new sim will be programmed to find Cingular first and then whoever from there. And is already is stores!!!!

Can I use the new CINGULAR SIM CARD 64K SMART CHIP 3G GSM in my old Samsung SGH X416 phone which I got on the old AT&T network? Will I have the benefit of the new technology? Ever since I got the phone, 4 years ago, I have never had good reception from my home. I have to go outside to receive and send calls. I don't re-up for a new phone as I have a deal that's too good to be true in todays market.
Thanks

All new phones will... after existing stock is depleted. Those things still cost $25 a piece so they'll just throw out the existing ones. They didn't make it sound like there will be an immediate "need" for existing customers to swap SIM cards. I know I'll be buying one though, even if the only immediate benefit I see is the increased text message storage.

Probably inscreased phone number storeing too but i'm not sure.

well, actually, all phones sold after Nov. 1st will have the new sims. If you get an upgrade to your existing Cingular phone after November 1st, you will get your sim replaced. Not only that, but you will have to wait to get a new phone, because the 64k sims do NOT work in existing phones.

actually cain the new 64k sims will work in existing cingular legacy gsm phones but they wont be able to get the benefits of ENS. thats the only downside.

I've seen a few of these 64k SIMs.. They look a bit better than our current ones. Not like it matters though cuz you won't be showing off your SIM. 🤣

What are you talking about? As soon as i get one i'm going straight to my buddys place to show off my BIG sim card and how cool it looks and how much BIGGER it is than his.

Yeah.. forget the fact that I may show off my a630 and possibly my SE s710a soon. It's all about the SIM!!! 🤣

ripley said:
actually cain the new 64k sims will work in existing cingular legacy gsm phones but they wont be able to get the benefits of ENS. thats the only downside.

....forgot...compatibility is tricky. Yes you HAVE to have a compatible phone to ACTIVATE the sim, so in a since it really won't be compatible unless you upgrade then if something happens you can use an older model without the ENS (but it would affect reception)

I bought mine just a little over 2 mos. ago, so does that mean I'm S.O.L.? 😉

actually, at this point, I'm not sure. I have heard conflicting reports of whether or not the new sims will work on old phones. I'll let you know when I get one. I'll test it myself.

That would be great! 😁
I currently have T637's that I just got 2 mos. ago.

CainMarko said:
actually, at this point, I'm not sure. I have heard conflicting reports of whether or not the new sims will work on old phones. I'll let you know when I get one. I'll test it myself.

from what i was told, 64k sim's will work on old phones, but only to the capabilities of the phone. (for you computer people, it's kinda like mixing PC2100 RAM wth PC3200 RAM, it will only work as fast as the slowest part of the equasion)

The phones will have to be ENS-Capable to utilize the 64k SIM's.

do you know which phones are ENS capable?

thanks

All the one's currently on cingular.com

That's cool. Cingular is getting stuff done, but I don't see anything listed with the phones on Cingular.com being ENS capable.

so if I have a moto v400, that means its ENS capable? just making sure 🙂

They all are

techgirl said:
All the one's currently on cingular.com

no they are not. currently the mot v220 have started shipping from the warehouse as ENS capable. they have a different SKU # than the non-ENS ones. They are the first. (to my knowledge)

All future phones will be ENS capable. The v400 is not, nor is any other current phone to my knowledge, although i could be wrong. (except the possibility that any phones released in the last month or two may also be, but i have not been told if they are.)

i'm guessing the v400 is not due to the fact that it has been out for almost 11 months now.

the v400 will be discontinued in November... I keep saying all phones shipped after November first will be ENS capable. Is that too difficult to understand? There ARE 3 or 4 phones which are ens capable right now, but not all of them on the website are.

jinx7676 said:

techgirl said:
All the one's currently on cingular.com

no they are not. currently the mot v220 have started shipping from the warehouse as ENS capable. they have a different SKU # than the non-ENS ones. They are the first. (to my knowledge)

All future phones will be ENS capable. The v400 is not, nor is any other current phone to my knowledge, although i could be wrong. (except the possibility that any phones released in the last month or two may also be, but i have not been told if they are.)

i'm guessing the v400 is not due to the fact that it has been out for almost 11 months now.

This is the future, the phones currently are ENS capable, we are alr...
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Did you see the 6010 or 3120 on the list of ENS compatible phones?

well, in OUR market we are not selling any ENS-Capable phones EXCEPT for the v200 and v180. Maybe you are in other markets, but not here YET.

what market are you in?

PROTEL said:
what market are you in?

upstate new york. we are selling v180 and 220's that are ENS capable, but dont even have 64k sims in yet 😲

i'm in nyc and they are supposed to ship me out my phones on the first with the new sims

Where in Sales Portal (CSP) did you find the info on ENS and the list of phones that support it?

maybe you should typ that in and see what happens?

I tried "enhanced network selection", ENS, 64k, etc, and couldn't find anything relevant. I also tried calling customer support but they couldn't find any info on it either. O_o Very odd...

Yeah, I couldn't find it a few weeks ago when I looked either. I don't really think it's there, (but that's cus I don't think techgirl really knows what she's talking about).

On another note I don't think this should just be a shop talk forum, not everybody here works for Cingular or even has Cingular. People get info from us, but we gotta vent our stresses somewhere too.

You're right, but remember the 64k SIM cannot be activated if the imei is not one that is compatible with ENS

I had to call CS on another item today and asked about the 64K SIM just for fun.

The person I talked to told me that I did NOT need a 64K SIM for my Cingular phone, and that they are really for people/phones who are coming FROM AT&T.

She even said something about turning the card over for just AT&T network, or turning it back over for Cingular/AT&T. I'm confused. 😉

She seemed to imply that the 64K SIM affects AT&T phones, not Cingular ones; but from what I've read around here, that's not exactly the case?

right i understand the ENS part, but this is great because that means that you can use any old GSM phone thats unlocked *cough*audiovox smt5600*cough* w00000000000000000000t 😁

audiovoxx... careful you may end up buying a 400.00 toaster... 😳

its not $400, the only windows smart phone cingular sells is that much 🤣.....not to mention the mpx220 is so.....motorola.....yuck!...so are you saying if it were to be unlocked it wouldnt work? 😢

Is the SE T637 ENS enabled?