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I was going to get the Iphone then i found out....

Keovani

Jun 27, 2007, 10:12 AM
-The mobile version of OS X takes up 700MB of the device's capacity.

-There's no way to cut, copy, or paste text!

-No A2DP support. (bluetooth stereo)

-Music can't be used as a ringtone -- even if it's just a raw MP3. No additional ringtones will be sold at launch.


-Document file reading -- but not editing -- for PDF, Word, and Excel (only).

-It will take snaps, but won't record video.

-No MMS(pict text)

-No Removable Batt

-No SD slot

-No Sim slot

-No 3G

-No Keyboard

-No Insurance

-No Mail in rebate

for $600 there sure are a lot of NO's
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Keovani

Jun 27, 2007, 12:18 PM
NO GPS

NO IM client.
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Guy Montag

Jun 27, 2007, 12:24 PM
GPS can be achieved with an accessorie like most phones. It may not have the service at release but neither did most of our devices.
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schlittertex

Jun 27, 2007, 1:27 PM
Yes but most phones do not come with built in google maps, and the BT GPS receivers are a pain ti carry around, and take forever ti warm up. Not worth the money.
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Guy Montag

Jun 27, 2007, 1:38 PM
No, built in maps but it only takes about 15 seconds at most to download the application. I've never tried the GPS Receivers, but the 8800 GPS works great, unless you try to start it indoors that is.
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LicorShot

Jun 28, 2007, 12:07 PM
the other receivers work the same as the 8800 when connected

e62 worked awsome
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attwork

Jun 27, 2007, 12:24 PM
stop reposting this junk, some of this isnt even true...
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Keovani

Jun 27, 2007, 12:36 PM
attwork..im not reposting u idiot..read the time...of the original post...2nd all this stuff is true..if you don't believe it...check my ref

www.engadget.com
www.boygeniusreport.com
www.wsj.com
www.gizmodo.com

and to guy true..but this is a multimedia phone..it's advertised strongly with google maps insinuating built in gps..which i believe is misleading...from a marketing/consumer standpoint.
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Guy Montag

Jun 27, 2007, 12:38 PM
Google maps never made a claim to GPS. Phones have had Google maps for a long time and never worked with GPS. You can however still get directions, phone numbers, and addresses with Google maps making a very useful tool. I have downloaded it to all of my devices to date. It never said it gave you real time turn by turn directions, if people assume that, then its their own fault for assumptions. πŸ™„


Honestly, it doesn't really matter to me. I hope the phone flops since I can't get paid on anything regarding it. I will be losing activations trying to compete with it.
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attwork

Jun 27, 2007, 12:39 PM
im an idiot?...ok....whatever, your the one that posting all this false info (not all of it, but some)....your claiming its true when its all rumors. like a little school girl gossiping.
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Keovani

Jun 27, 2007, 12:56 PM
how are these rumors...???? these are facts buddy...have you forgotten this phone has been reviewed...these aren't theories...

"Everything We Know About the iPhone
Following up our list of features the iPhone was finally confirmed not to have, here's a comprehensive list based on the four reviews currently out detailing everything we know about the iPhone so far: what it has, what it doesn't have, its known problems and what we still don't know.

What it has:
”’ Built-in iPod with Video playback
”’ Intelligent predictive typing
”’ Multi-touch interface (fast)
”’ Great scratch resistant screen (easily cleaned with your sleeve)
”’ Tilt sensors that lock the screen when up to your face, but unlocks it when you lower it to type numbe...
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D102982

Jun 27, 2007, 1:00 PM
a lot of those "issues" seem as though they can be fixed with software updates. Really though, no phone will ever be perfect for every single person. Everyone has their own expectation of a phone and the manufactors can't tailor each phone to the indvidual.
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Guy Montag

Jun 27, 2007, 1:00 PM
AT&T's signal is lousy


Compared to what? ATT offers one of the largest networks in the nation, rivaled only by Verizon. Are you suggesting that all cell signal is lousy? 🀨
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Keovani

Jun 27, 2007, 1:04 PM
oh no comment...not made by me...but by gizmodo" http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/apple/everything-w e-know-about-the-iphone-272827.php "

but personally...i think gsm USA is pretty lousy... 😁
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Guy Montag

Jun 27, 2007, 1:06 PM
Its because you have no experience then. I love my GSM over the Sh!t service I had with VZW and the service my wife still has with them on her parents plan.
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Keovani

Jun 27, 2007, 1:09 PM
oh contraire...i do have experience as ive previosly stated ive had ATT and i've had Tmobile..compared to verizon and sprint...signal and call quality were horrible..maybe in your location its different but in florida....both north and south...its terrible
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D102982

Jun 27, 2007, 1:14 PM
well here in Denver, CO I can say that At&t is the best service out here. I can't imagine having anything else. I have service where ever I go.
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Guy Montag

Jun 27, 2007, 1:16 PM
Same with Washington/Oregon/Idaho.
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junglemassive

Jun 27, 2007, 1:39 PM
That's crazy talk AT&T suck balls in OR/WA. And yes, that's from personal experience.
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Guy Montag

Jun 27, 2007, 1:41 PM
Ok, how about we argue about it. I like it, you don't. I do not think its crazy. Verizon cornered this market in the early 2000s but a lot has changed since then. I will never go back to VZW. 😎
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junglemassive

Jun 27, 2007, 2:24 PM
Okay lets argue. No just kidding. But I was surprised to see you say that. When I moved to the Northwest from the Northeast I couldn't get rid of AT&T fast enough. The service was so bad I actually paid the early term fees on both my and my wife's lines to get out.
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Keovani

Jun 27, 2007, 2:27 PM
HMMM...the tables have turned charlie murphy...hahahah
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Guy Montag

Jun 27, 2007, 2:29 PM
? πŸ˜• To Jungle, I wonder if it was device problems?(I know this is the lame fall back of all cellular reps). I had a 551 that was absolute crap, but other than that device it has been phenomenal.*shrugs*
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junglemassive

Jun 27, 2007, 2:42 PM
I doubt it. One SE phone and one Nokia? It would be a stretch.
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Guy Montag

Jun 27, 2007, 2:48 PM
Wow, especially with the nokia. Interesting. I suppose I just channel radio signals to my very spot, that or you thwart them. πŸ˜‰
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junglemassive

Jun 27, 2007, 2:53 PM
It's possible. Well no matter now. Thanks for the concern though. 😁
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robtheman

Jun 27, 2007, 2:25 PM
My girlfriend lives in Denver. She switched from Cingular to Verizon because Cingular doesn't work where I live (Wyoming). I asked her if it was any different, and she said it's the same. Personally, I'd rather have service that works in town as well as out of town.
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robtheman

Jun 27, 2007, 2:26 PM
robtheman said:
My girlfriend lives in Denver. She switched from Cingular to Verizon because Cingular didn't work where I live (Wyoming). I asked her if it was any different, and she said it's the same. Personally, I'd rather have service that works in town as well as out of town.


She switched before they decided to call themselves AT&T again. That was about a year ago.
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D102982

Jun 27, 2007, 2:48 PM
I would sooner go to T-Mobile over Verizon...I live in Denver as well. I just find that I can't get good reception out here with them, it gets worse indoors. There are people in my department that can't get reception with verizon the second they step in our building, but with At&t I have full bars.
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robtheman

Jun 27, 2007, 3:37 PM
I've never had a problem with my Verizon phone in the Denver area. As soon as you get to Cheyenne and head south on I-25, it's solid coverage. I spend most of my time in the south Denver area, but again, I've never had a problem. My phone works fine in my girlfriend's basement.
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Guy Montag

Jun 27, 2007, 2:56 PM
Wyoming is still part of our partner coverage. Like other carriers we terminate service if 50% is offnetwork usage.
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robtheman

Jun 27, 2007, 3:36 PM
Bring your phone here and see how well it works. We port students over to Verizon left and right when they find out their phones don't work here.

I'm not saying that Verizon is a better company. I'm saying don't argue with me because I live here and you're looking at a coverage map.
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Guy Montag

Jun 27, 2007, 3:53 PM
Lol, no I was agreeing with you. If you tried to use ATT at your location ATT would terminate service.
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robtheman

Jun 27, 2007, 4:18 PM
You have to wait a month or so, but they will. If you try to talk them into cutting your service off before then, they won't cut it off until they decide they've had enough. I had one guy that couldn't get his service shut off for 6 months, then he gave up and paid the ETF. I felt bad for him. That was last summer. It's possible that AT&T changed the rules a little bit from when it was Cingular.
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Guy Montag

Jun 27, 2007, 1:17 PM
Perhaps I will give you that. I haven't tried service in Florida.
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attwork

Jun 27, 2007, 1:01 PM
well on prev posts it states there is no removable sim card/sim card slot....which is not true, one bit of misinformation like that makes me doubt all of your info
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Guy Montag

Jun 27, 2007, 1:01 PM
Getting your contacts onto here from your old phone may be a hassle

this is all done through itunes, making it easier than any other CDMA to GSM conversion of contacts.
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Guy Montag

Jun 27, 2007, 1:03 PM
Known Problems:
”’ Can get a little warm after use
”’ Battery will need to be replaced by Apple after 300-400 charges
”’ Levy had problems with one of his email accounts, due to his ISP blocking port 25. Apple's engineers "suggested a fix and said that this was something that would probably be addressed in an update."
”’ EDGE data is very slow
”’ AT&T's signal is lousy
”’ No hardware playback buttons make you go back to the iPod app to change songs or stop music
”’ Takes more taps to reach the phone interface than other smartphones
”’ Getting your contacts onto here from your old phone may be a hassle
”’ No real-time navigation
”’ The few Web-app programs Mossberg tried weren't' impressive
”’ Camera is only good with a
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attwork

Jun 27, 2007, 1:08 PM
oh but dont blame him....hes just copying and pasting.... πŸ˜•
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Keovani

Jun 27, 2007, 1:08 PM
ok the word "fact" used loosely but it did get your attention...this phone has been reviewed 4times...and all times...the outcome have been very similar

" http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/wisdom-of-the-in_c rowd/opinions-side+by+side-in-our-iphone-revi ew-matrix-272727.php "
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D102982

Jun 27, 2007, 1:15 PM
Seems like people should just decide for themselves if they like the phone or not, instead of having other people what they like.
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Guy Montag

Jun 27, 2007, 1:16 PM
All with an obvious bias. Look at my last response and you will see how inaccurate these all are. πŸ™„
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Guy Montag

Jun 27, 2007, 1:14 PM
What it doesn't have:
”’ Support for all iPod accessoriesβ€”doesn't support all car adapters for playing back, only charging(what device does support all car adapters for said abilities? Sony for instance has chargers that do and do not have the ability to plug in a headset.)


”’ An easy way to transfer phone numbers, via AT&T, from an existing phone(transfers though Itunes will make this amazingly easier than finding a store that has a device capable of the transfer)

”’ Copy and paste support(what phone does other than PDAs?)

”’ MP3/iTunes music ringtones( πŸ˜• Maybe right, but likely to change)

”’ Built-in game support(Itunes offers games, why wouldn't Iphone?)

”’ Flash support anywhere (including browser)(What phone does?)
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Keovani

Jun 27, 2007, 1:22 PM
wow..your really doing a number on defending this phone...but ok..i'll entertain it...datapackage price...? 20 for edge is not a deal...sprint 15 and its evdo. video...its fact it cant record. no A2DP come on...even the moto Q has that..this is a multimedia phone...and there's no stero bt...? the storage is great...8gig is big..but thats not the issue..lets say you have a dig camera..take a pic with the sd card...now you want to place it on your phone...ooops..wait you cant you have to go home...get a cord...connect it to the laptop connect it to the camera...connect it to the iphone...hmmm a lotta wires for a wireless phone...
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Guy Montag

Jun 27, 2007, 1:24 PM
no A2DP come on...even the moto Q has that..this is a multimedia phone...and there's no stero bt...?

No listed profiles yet.


$20 for an integrated device vs the norm of 39.99 or 29.99 for bb. What is Sprints price for true unlimited internet on a pda phone? Still 15 bucks?
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Keovani

Jun 27, 2007, 2:28 PM
Yes my friend 15 bucks...unlimited browsing...unlimited data unlimited everything...and you get sprint tv...!!! now thats a deal...especially since its evdo!
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Guy Montag

Jun 27, 2007, 2:31 PM
Keovani said:
Yes my friend 15 bucks...unlimited browsing...unlimited data unlimited everything...and you get sprint tv...!!! now thats a deal...especially since its evdo!

Wow, thats pretty cheap. Of course it can't be that great being you have the highest churn in the industry.
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Keovani

Jun 27, 2007, 2:42 PM
screw churn im not with corporate...im consumer..and for me...aslong as the evdo keeps flowing...i'll be ok..better yet...when wimax rolls out later this year...and nationwide next year...what will you apple fanboys say then....when we have 4g...wimax phones example ( http://www.mobiledia.com/news/53271.html ) isnt she pretty

Samsung SPH-P9000 Specifications

- Standard: Mobile WiMax / CDMA 1x EV-DO
- Camera: 1.3-Megapixel Camera
- Display: 5-inch WVGA LCD
- 1 GHz (Transmeta) CPU
- QWERTY Keyboard
- Bluetooth (Class 1) with BT Messenger
- MiniUSB / 24 pin Connector
- Extended I/O Pack
- 2980 mAh / 7200 mAh Battery
- 30 GB Embedded
- Size: 143 x 92 x 29.7 mm
- Weight: 560 g

that beats the hell out of some 2g 8g...
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Guy Montag

Jun 27, 2007, 2:47 PM
True, I'm not by any means an apple fan boy. I am however against spreading of false information. On the GSM side, I'm looking forward to our 7.2mb/s speeds projected late this year! 😎
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Keovani

Jun 27, 2007, 2:50 PM
yeah...but it will be GSM..wake me up when you guys hit LTE(long term evolution) ahahahahh
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Bigbmc26

Jun 27, 2007, 3:47 PM
and what path does CDMA alone have for voice and data simultaneously? the future is the combination of GSM and CDMA which is UMTS. you might wanna wake up, 😁
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Keovani

Jun 28, 2007, 9:46 AM
screw that the future is wimax buddy....

"Standard Family Primary Use Radio Tech Downlink (Mbps) Uplink (Mbps) Notes
802.16e WiMAX Mobile Internet MIMO-SOFDMA 70 70 Quoted speeds only achievable at very short ranges, more practically 10 Mbps at 10 km.
HIPERMAN HIPERMAN Mobile Internet OFDM 56.9 56.9
WiBro WiBro Mobile Internet OFDMA 50 50 Mobile range (900 m)
iBurst iBurst 802.20 Mobile Internet HC-SDMA 64 64 3-12 km
UMTS W-CDMA
HSDPA+HSUPA UMTS/3GSM Mobile phone CDMA/FDD .384
14.4 .384
5.76 HSDPA widely deployed. Typical downlink rates today 1-2Mbps, ~200kbps uplink; future downlink up to 28.8Mbps.
UMTS-TDD UMTS/3GSM Mobile Internet CDMA/TDD 16 16 Reported speeds according to IPWireless using 16QAM modulation similar to H...
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Bigbmc26

Jun 28, 2007, 10:51 AM
the world is not changing to wimax, only a few carriers. lol, at the rate sprint is dying even wimax won't save them. we'll see. it's funny when cdma fanboys try to argue technology. no matter what you feel, GSM and it's path isn't dying. more than 2 billion subscribers don't lie. πŸ˜‰
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Keovani

Jun 27, 2007, 2:52 PM
i just realized..i was hesitant about buying the ps3 for that much money...but realizing a phone cost the same..wow...how can 2 devices cost the same amount..and one doesnt do/ or even have the same production cost as the other...hmmmm
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Guy Montag

Jun 27, 2007, 2:57 PM
Maybe the Iphone plays blueray?
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chainmail311

Jun 27, 2007, 6:43 PM
answer: capitalism. It's a beautiful thing, huh?
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Guy Montag

Jun 27, 2007, 2:58 PM
Don't forget it cures cancer too. Well not all types, but the ones that can go into remission from cellular radio signals when combined with wifi signals are doomed!
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Keovani

Jun 27, 2007, 3:07 PM
lol....its mindblowing..2items in indirect markets...for american consumer consumption..cost the exact same...yet one only costs $249 in production cost..where apple stands to make more than 50% in profit...their receiving the same hype before launch...are americans really this product ignorant...?
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Guy Montag

Jun 27, 2007, 3:10 PM
There is less residual income through other purchases like controllers, games, and various other parafanalia for the Iphone. Don't get me wrong, apple has plenty of little things for the Ipod at rediculous prices but that can't compete with game royalties.
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rytr23

Jun 27, 2007, 4:51 PM
lol... not this again.. that "report" was specious to say the least.. How many millions is Apple already in the hole before selling a single phone? Do you have the list of the hardware that actually resides in the device with actual costs?

And Guy makes a good point.. you can't begin to compare residuals on the phone versus the next 5 years of games/licensing for the PS3.. there is a reason its a loss leader for Sony..
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ralph_on_me

Jun 27, 2007, 3:19 PM
The sad thing about that is the PS3 is being sold below cost and the iPhone.. well... you know.


PS, I thought by the title this was a thread from a spammer looking to sell stuff.
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Keovani

Jun 27, 2007, 3:22 PM
nope not trying 2 sell..just illustrating america's ignorance...
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ralph_on_me

Jun 27, 2007, 3:30 PM
I know, it just looked funny. I read the title and said "WTH?"
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carlsberg

Jun 27, 2007, 4:07 PM
No GSM slot it is just wrong! That defeats the whole purpose of having a GSM phone and having the capability to travel world wide.

I know ATT roaming plans exists but why pay for that when you can get a local pre-paid GSM card at country of destination.

I am mainly upset with the lack of a GSM slot.

I am fine with the others. I am not a huge internet surfer so no 3G doesn't bother me.
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attwork

Jun 27, 2007, 5:06 PM
jesus people....there will be a sim card slot!
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Keovani

Jun 28, 2007, 9:49 AM
demmit attwork..what part of that don't you understand...the sim slot will not be accessible by the consumer...."what part of that don't you understand?" think about it..if the sim slot was accessible then it could get unlocked right...? and this phone is being sold as unlockable....
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