i heard that you cannot specify what sim you get with a phone. i've seen somewhere that cingular will not give out a 64k sim unless they run out of the old 32k sim cards.

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Nope. You get a 64K sim with the new Cingular. ATTWS retailers (now Cingular) provide 32K sims w/ the phones that they are selling.

They provide 32k Sims if you purchase an old AWS phone. There are still some lieing around and some of the retails will sell them. But when you purchase a Cingular phone then you get a 64k SIM.

All of our SIM cards are 64K, we are a store that was previously ATTWS. I cant imagine why stores would rather deplete any 32K sims first, bc the 64K SIM is what will provide the "load balancing" of the networks

BluetoOrange....your off...go do something its gorgeous out......stop thinking about phones for a few minutes.

LIES! LIES AND TRICKERY!

That is correct, Cingular will not be giving out the 64K cards untill they deplete the old ones. Of course, i suppose exceptions could be made if the store has the 64K and wants the commission bad enough.

does the mororola v551 have a 64k sim?

It's sold by Cingular. One can presume that it will come w/ a 64k sim.

Yes it has a 64K

Re the SIM, I know there have been a lot of posts about the new 64K. Recently, a post stated that it does NOT make a difference as far as service quality or reception (vs. those of us that started with Cingular and 32K SIM's).
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This is true if you upgrade w/ Cingular now. Weather or not a former ATTWS customer of upgrading Cingular customer you will get a 64k SIM.

spddemun said:
Re the SIM, I know there have been a lot of posts about the new 64K. Recently, a post stated that it does NOT make a difference as far as service quality or reception (vs. those of us that started with Cingular and 32K SIM's).
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But it does make a difference...anybody's current 32K SIM will favorite theyre own network (either legacy Cing. GSM or former ATTWS GSM). The only time it changes is when the reception on either particular one is at the threshold of dropping, then it will switch over.

The purpose of the 64K is the balance and float between the two, depending on all the variables: closest tower, bandwidth flooding, etc..

Thanks. I even went to a local company-owned Cingular store and the rep told me I didn't need one and shouldn't be concerned. 😕

You dont NEED one, it would just be better. Plus you cant use it in a phone that is not brand new; it wouldnt be ENS capable.

OK. I see my phone is still being sold (online), but guess they come with the new SIMs?

It may be the remaining stock theyre blowing out on line.

what does ens stand for?

Enhanced Network Selection

There no such thing as ENS whoever told you that doesnt know what he is talking about. The phone must have gsm 800 for the sim to work its full capacity. Thats the nokia 3650 is barely picking up reception.

DM121281 said:
There no such thing as ENS whoever told you that doesnt know what he is talking about. The phone must have gsm 800 for the sim to work its full capacity. Thats the nokia 3650 is barely picking up reception.

WHAT!!!!!?!?!?!?!?! There is such a thing an ENS.

But you are right about the 850mhz thing.

Actually, he said "gsm 800". What is GSM 800, DM121281?

So....the new cards just look at the AT&T/Cingular network as one network now - instead of looking at them as two different networks. Sounds to me it has nothing to do with 32K vs 64K - just the way the card registers.

Key words: "just the way the card registers". The 32K WILL read and balance between the networks, just not as seamless as the 64K.

I'd like to see documentation from Cingular, or anywhere, that documents a 64K card will improve reception and service quality. Sounds likes a lie to me.

ok, i have questions regarding the service and how my phone says Cingular Extend... I've noticed that when it says that I dont get GPRS. I only have GPRS when my phone says Cingular. I have a Moto V400 and 39.99 national plan. Also.. with regards to the 64K SIM card... is this gonna really improve call quality ? or is it just gonna have an affect on how fast the phone switches from one tower to another. I havent had any problems with call quality on my phone but I have noticed that I have more bars with Cingular extend at my house than when it says Cingular. so that means that a Cingular tower is farther from my house than either a Tmobile or a ATTWS tower. I wanna know if the 64K SIM resolve this switching back and forth and pick the tower ...
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Definition of a SIM card:
Subscriber Identity Module card - a small printed circuit board that must be inserted in any GSM-based mobile phone when signing on as a subscriber. It contains subscriber details, security information and memory for a personal directory of numbers. The card can be a small plug-in type or sized as a credit-card but has the same functionality. The SIM card also stores data that identifies the caller to the network service provider.

Again I ask - how does switching from a 32K to 64K SIM improve reception or call qualilty?

Yes, that's what I'm asking about the SIMs, too. 😕

The 64 k sim cards do provide better reception, The reason for this is because the old SIM cards with set up to prefer there home providers tower before switching to another tower i.e. an old at&t sim would prefer an at&t tower with 2 bars of signal rather then a Cingular tower with 4 bars. Now the new 64k sim cards prefer the New Cingulars network. These SIM cards will search for the tower that will provide the best reception wether it be at&t or Cingular. Does that make more sense to you?

Yes, but I have seen more than a couple of posts here (see end) on the subject that they are not necessary. Ever since the AT&T acquisition, I no longer get "Cingular Extend" and I get all bars most of the time (whereas before I did not), so it appears my signal is now stronger (even with just the 32K SIM).

I just got my phone in Aug. and it was a "new" model then. 🙂

Here’s the most recent post I was talking about:
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »

And another opinion:
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »

Sleek has it 100% right....the 64K balances the service amongst different towers flawlessly. Yes, SPDDEMUN, you have much greater service after the merger, but still not 100% optimal.

The 64K makes a big difference, hands down. Please just throw in the towel to end this string.

OK, thanks. I know I'm not the only one on here who has been confused about this issue. 😉

So are the 64K's available for purchase yet? I think someone on here stated they would be $25?

Any legacy Cingular custs that upgrade to a new phone can get one. So far, I see that the $25 fee applies to those that fry the SIM messing around with the phones security codes!

Well, I just signed on in August, so do I qualify? (2-yr. contract)

The 64k SIM card doesn't boost the signal reception.

The 64k SIM card enhances the phone to search and lock to the strongest channel available from either Cingular or ATTws simultaneously rather than searching for the strongest signal channel individually beginning with its provider then any other provider.

For example you have a 32k SIM card from Cingular and assuming you are located one mile away from an ATTws' tower and away 7 miles from Cingular's tower.

Both companies have a reciprocal roaming agreement between in place for at least 8+ months including some of TMobile in certain markets.

Your phone will first search and lock to Cingular's strongest channel available and when not found it will rollover searching to second b...
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So basically your saying that the 64K sim card will choose the tower that is going to give you the stronger reception...therefore providing stronger reception and... as far as the customer is concerned..... IMPROVING THE RECEPTION....so YES THE 64K SIM CARD WILL IMPROVE YOUR RECEPTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! geez does anyone actually listen when they talk or do you open your mouth and let the stupidity show itself??

southwestcomm said:
I'd like to see documentation from Cingular, or anywhere, that documents a 64K card will improve reception and service quality. Sounds likes a lie to me.

for the 30th time - it DOESNT!

this was my most recent post regarding them:
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »

Do you work for the company? This is the explanation we were all given here and it makes sense. Think about it. Providers set up the phones so that as long as they can find a tower owned by that particular provider they won't pick up another providers tower, no matter how bad the signal is. This is how they keep the phones from constantly roaming off other providers tower and having to pay the other providers for that usage. All of the old Cingular or At&t phones are still programmed as if the merger never took place. All of the new phones know that Cingular and At&t are one company so they will pick up which ever tower is going to provide better signal. See my last post below.

The 64 k sim cards do provide better reception...
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sleekcat said:
Do you work for the company? This is the explanation we were all given here and it makes sense. Think about it. Providers set up the phones so that as long as they can find a tower owned by that particular provider they won't pick up another providers tower, no matter how bad the signal is. This is how they keep the phones from constantly roaming off other providers tower and having to pay the other providers for that usage. All of the old Cingular or At&t phones are still programmed as if the merger never took place. All of the new phones know that Cingular and At&t are one company so they will pick up which ever tower is going to provide better signal.

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You're both right. A 64k SIM will allow the phone to pick the closest tower with the strongest reception rather than prefering its home network all the time. This is a good thing. BUT that phone MUST be ENS capable in order to utilize the 64k SIM properly. Otherwise it operates just like a standard 32k SIM card.

So the answer to the ultimate question is yes the 64k SIM will improve your ability to grab a strong signal, IF your phone has the ability to use it. 64k SIMs will not be given until the available supply of 32k SIMs are depleted. Online and Telesales are already sending them out. Corporate stores are using them as well...most of us agents have them, but we have to get rid of our 32k's first.

I've asked this question before, but without an answer: How do you know if your phone is ENS enabled? Is there a list? (T637?)

Do you think Cingular has better reception than T-Mobile? I work in a basement of a Brownstone on the Upper East Side of NY and I get NO reception, i may as well not have a phone! I've been thinking of switching to Cingular but not sure if the service is any better.

i can check what kind of coverage we have there. what is that exact address? i will need to address to use our network tool to see what coverage level you will be in.

LEXINGTON & 89TH ZIP CODE 10128

Well, I may not be a rep, but I'm not the only one who's confused on here. There has been much misinformation and many postings on this subject. 😉

Well you sure do deserve to be a rep with your feedback. Good Job 😎

Thanks. 😁

I got the Moto v400.

I just got a voicemail from the tech rep saying that there's a known network issue in Colorado.

The weird thing is that when I put the old ATT sim card in the moto, it got full reception.

I hope this is fixed soon or I'm switching to someone else.

Well, if you paid attention to my previous post, I do not have a 3650. I used to have one with ATT. Two weeks ago I migrated over to Cingular and got a Moto V400.

I get horrible service with Cingular. I live in Colorado, where Cingular has no towers. However, the ATT service out here is exceptional. The problem is that my Cingular 64k sim card keeps putting me on roaming on TMobile. TMobile service sucks here too. For some reason (that Cingular can't figure out), I am not picking up the ATT service like I should be.

Weird thing is, when I first got the V400, I put the old ATT sim card in it and the service was awesome. Of course, that old sim card no longer works, and the Cingular sim card gives me really crappy service.

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