SBacklin said:

BluetoOrange22 said:
Beginning 2005, only regional providers will still use TDMA, as the Natl providers are moving to networks that can handle the data speeds you mention. GSM and its descendants will be the true future of wireless.

CDMA was great when all we had as a nation was Analog and TDMA. However, Aerial (AKA Voicestream, AKA TMobile, AKA What Next?) introduced GSM, but only with 1900 MHz (still to this day). ATTWS picked up from there, and then suddenly overnight (it seemed), Cingulars GSM exploded and covered double what we had as ATTWS.

Which grings us to where we are today. GSM is exactly what it stands for, a Global Standard.

Global Standard doesn'

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Ha Ha no doubt, good call dLay....

I specifically said GSM "and its descendants" are the future, meaning UMTS, WCDMA, HSPDA....

"The Best" can mean a lot when it comes to cost too. If a company can go under for the expense of their crappy CDMA network *cough*Sprint* then of course GSM/3G is an awesome option.

Besides, in a world of constant growing globalization, GSM is an obvious pick over CDMA.

it's really funny how sprint claims to have a 3g network, when they're lying through their teeth...

according to the ITU and the GSMA, true 3g is UMTS/WCDMA, better yet, WCDMA/HSDPA!

Oh no doubt at all.....Its the funniest thing in the world to see them claim "True 3G"....come on now man. UMTS/WCDMA then HSDPA is exactly what we will have to bury Sprint in Verizon in the near future. (Do I smell someone snatching up TMobile eventually?)

Thats why it was such a trip to see Vodaphone bid on ATTWS back then, regardless of the stake they have in Verizon. Bc having the ownership in GSM vs. CDMA is the obvious future.

Yea, and then seeing Vodafone launch their Live! 3G service a few months later...

On a side note, TMobile's gonna be having problems...their roaming agreement with Cingular ends Jan. 1, and they're not gonna have 3G for at least 2 years because of spectrum. You would think that because they're owned by Deutsche Telekom that they'd be on top of things (because of DT's deep pockets), but apparently not...

dlayphoto said:
Yea, and then seeing Vodafone launch their Live! 3G service a few months later...

On a side note, TMobile's gonna be having problems...their roaming agreement with Cingular ends Jan. 1, and they're not gonna have 3G for at least 2 years because of spectrum. You would think that because they're owned by Deutsche Telekom that they'd be on top of things (because of DT's deep pockets), but apparently not...

Oh no doubt at all....check what this jack@$$ wrote to me here: https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php ?fm=m&ff=5&fi=154951

Also, see the reply I smacked down for him. tMobiles out of the picture from here on out, easily.....

If 1xRTT is 3G then we can also consider GPRS as 3G. LOL. 1xRTT might be the "third" generation of a particular CDMA network but that means that EDGE is the fourth generation on a GSM network. To truly be 3G a network would have to have UMTS (W-CDMA) or EV-DO. And W-CDMA is the obvious choice between those two.

EV-DO and UMTS are both W-CDMA formats they just use different equipment and the formats are different which make incompatible.

Dan717 said:
EV-DO and UMTS are both W-CDMA formats they just use different equipment and the formats are different which make incompatible.

They are different technologies. Verizon does not use WCDMA. It is a form of code division, but different that EV-DO

You have no clue what the hell you're talking about.

or 1xEVDO even though its only available in parts of Japan, Korea and very minute places in the states.

yeah, EV-DO is good, as well as EV-DO Release A. But, while EV-DO has data speeds up to 3Mbps, HSDPA supports up to 14Mbps!

EV-DO/DV is going to be a reality far before HSDPA. EV-DO will be here with Verizon within 18 months in the top markets. HSPDA is going to take probably about 3-4 years to get into the same markets as because there is alot more testing that has to be done first. HSPDA and UMTS are going to take a while. ATTWS had rolled out UMTS in what 3-5 markets and it was ok but the mass market wasn't beating down our doors to get it. You have to realize profit margins. Cingular isn't going to make this big push for Edge and then suddenly release HSPDA or UMTS before they made what they need to make to be profitable off of Edge. I've been in this industry long enough to know that when it comes to new technologies always take the pragmatic approach...
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Cingular already has UMTS/HSDPA in some markets and is planning a nationwide launch late 2005/early 2006... You know you've specified you work for Cingular... but every post you've made is for every other carrier and against Cingular...

If you hate the fact your employer was bought out then move out of the house. Seriously go work for VZW because you obviously are offering nothing to your current employer. Except lies and put downs.

For a retail rep you know all about sells... And you're selling Cingular short.

(I try to avoid personal attacks, but you have finally hit my last nerve. I can't stand people who wear the jersey and root for the other team.)

Oh, he doesn't just work for Cingular. He's the Operations Manager in charge of tracking down AgentDebit.

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Tebor0 said:
Oh, he doesn't just work for Cingular. He's the Operations Manager in charge of tracking down AgentDebit.

The Agent can't be tracked. He lives in a world all his own.

Cingular just announced completion of their HSDPA trial in Atlanta...with sustained speeds of 3.6Mbps! Take that Verizon and Sprint!

You must own alot of stock in Cingular... now wait, Cingular never did an IPO... because you are posting like your emotional well being depends on the success of Cingular over the other 2 companies.

LOL, jk, but seriously...

Remember this: While we want Cingular to do well, we also want Sprint and VZW to do well as well. Competition is what will bring HSPDA and UMTS and EV-DO/DV. Without competition only brings stagnation

ummm W-CDMA is a CDMA technology nonetheless... what does it matter if its being picked up by GSM Companies?

dlayphoto said:

SBacklin said:

BluetoOrange22 said:
Beginning 2005, only regional providers will still use TDMA, as the Natl providers are moving to networks that can handle the data speeds you mention. GSM and its descendants will be the true future of wireless.

CDMA was great when all we had as a nation was Analog and TDMA. However, Aerial (AKA Voicestream, AKA TMobile, AKA What Next?) introduced GSM, but only with 1900 MHz (still to this day). ATTWS picked up from there, and then suddenly overnight (it seemed), Cingulars GSM exploded and covered double what we had as ATTWS.

Which grings us to where we are today. GSM is exactly what it stands for, a Global Standard.

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Yes, GSM did come out earlier than CDMA, but why is most of the world still using GSM (or UMTS in Japan's case)?

Wenadin said:
Yes, GSM did come out earlier than CDMA, but why is most of the world still using GSM (or UMTS in Japan's case)?

Because GSM is better, that's why! CDMA has an inferior voice quality and less features. GSM phones come feature packed at even the bottom levels. GSM has been around for 20+ years, and it shows in a very important way. It is very well developed! Just look at it this way. One BT phone is a HUGE deal for Verizon. (They then proceed to screw that up) GSM carriers have BT phones at all levels, and they aren't even intentionally crippled! If you have used both, many will realize that GSM is the clear winner. (b/c it's clearer, of course 😎 GSM decendants will lead the way of the future...
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It seems to be widely known that GSM and the upcoming UMTS network will be very well accepted and anticipated. The features we enjoy today on GSM look like it would only get better from here.

Video calling will definately be something to look forward to, so instead of just talking you will be watching one another as well. Gosh, cutting-edge technology is wonderful!

videobobbo said:

Wenadin said:
Yes, GSM did come out earlier than CDMA, but why is most of the world still using GSM (or UMTS in Japan's case)?

Because GSM is better, that's why! CDMA has an inferior voice quality and less features. GSM phones come feature packed at even the bottom levels. GSM has been around for 20+ years, and it shows in a very important way. It is very well developed! Just look at it this way. One BT phone is a HUGE deal for Verizon. (They then proceed to screw that up) GSM carriers have BT phones at all levels, and they aren't even intentionally crippled! If you have used both, many will realize that GSM is the clear winner. (b/c it's clearer, of course 😎 GSM decen

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Yeah, maybe it was because I've only had one CDMA phone versus 3 GSM models. The GSM phones were all quad-band with really good receivers, too... I loved my CDMA phone. But I still have too many people that I hear calling me from CDMA devices, and GSM doesn't seem to have those problems. But, maybe it's my ears... 😢 Sometimes I'm accused of being deaf 😁

I've noticed much better call quality with CDMA vs GSM. GSM sounds like a cell phone when I would talk on it and my CDMA sounds like like a landline about 95% of time, even with only 1-2 bars. Now my CDMA is a very good phone (Kyocera KX2 Koi, which is excellent), but my GSM phones were very good as well, I had Moto's Timeports and StarTac's.

Dan717 said:
I've noticed much better call quality with CDMA vs GSM. GSM sounds like a cell phone when I would talk on it and my CDMA sounds like like a landline about 95% of time, even with only 1-2 bars. Now my CDMA is a very good phone (Kyocera KX2 Koi, which is excellent), but my GSM phones were very good as well, I had Moto's Timeports and StarTac's.

I have never heard of a gsm startac. you must be very special to have motorola mae one just for you.

PhoenixAshes said:

Dan717 said:
I've noticed much better call quality with CDMA vs GSM. GSM sounds like a cell phone when I would talk on it and my CDMA sounds like like a landline about 95% of time, even with only 1-2 bars. Now my CDMA is a very good phone (Kyocera KX2 Koi, which is excellent), but my GSM phones were very good as well, I had Moto's Timeports and StarTac's.

I have never heard of a gsm startac. you must be very special to have motorola mae one just for you.

One word: Google.

The first intentions for UMTS (W-CDMA) was originally to migrate both GSM technology and CDMA technology into one. But as of now only GSM has been migrating to W-CDMA while CDMA is migrating to 1xEVDO, W-CDMA in general will offer higher data speeds but it requires much more spectrum than current GSM technology. This is why the buyout of ATTW was so important.