Cingular or Verizon!?!?
cingular is much better. we have rollover, better phones, and better mobile to mobile coverage.
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better mobile to mobile coverage?
now if you had said more people to use your mobile to mobile minutes, you'd be correct, but verizon's mobile to mobile map matches the america's choice map. and everyone knows who has the best nationwide coverage....
now if you had said more people to use your mobile to mobile minutes, you'd be correct, but verizon's mobile to mobile map matches the america's choice map. and everyone knows who has the best nationwide coverage....
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Yeah you're right, we do know. Cingular.
Only Cingular has true nationwide mobile to mobile, meaning that you can use mobile to mobile minutes across the ENTIRE NETWORK. You can't do this with any other company, including Verizon. And on top of that, Cingular has the largest digital coverage area, the only portion of a network where mobile to mobile minutes can be utilized.
Only Cingular has true nationwide mobile to mobile, meaning that you can use mobile to mobile minutes across the ENTIRE NETWORK. You can't do this with any other company, including Verizon. And on top of that, Cingular has the largest digital coverage area, the only portion of a network where mobile to mobile minutes can be utilized.
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vzw's m2m coverage (red and pink)
http://www.verizonwireless.com/images_b2c/maps/natio ... »
cingular's m2m coverage (orange)
http://onlinestore.cingular.com/html/Maps/nation_GSM ... »
verizon's is larger.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/images_b2c/maps/natio ... »
cingular's m2m coverage (orange)
http://onlinestore.cingular.com/html/Maps/nation_GSM ... »
verizon's is larger.
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There's a difference between the red and pink. Only certain plans can utilize the pink for mobile to mobile. Its a well-known fact that Cingular has the largest digital network, and once again, that is the only portion of a network that companies offer mobile to mobile on.
Look at it this way. Cingular's network is all-digital and has 290 million POPs (potential customers due to coverage), the most of any service provider. Verizon's network is a combination of digital and analog coverage (from roaming partners) and has 242 million POPs. So Cingular obviously has the larger coverage, and once again, it is all digital. Therefore, since Cingular offers true nationwide mobile to mobile, their network is the largest network to utilize mo...
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Look at it this way. Cingular's network is all-digital and has 290 million POPs (potential customers due to coverage), the most of any service provider. Verizon's network is a combination of digital and analog coverage (from roaming partners) and has 242 million POPs. So Cingular obviously has the larger coverage, and once again, it is all digital. Therefore, since Cingular offers true nationwide mobile to mobile, their network is the largest network to utilize mo...
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you're a well-trained sales rep. your choice of words will serve you well. but those "certain plans" that can utilize the pink areas are ALL america's choice plans since feb 02. if someone is looking to start a new line of service, there isn't an america's choice plan they could get that wouldn't service those areas.
population doesn't equal larger coverage area. the amount of places you can physically use your phone equals coverage area. verizon can't offer their own service in areas where they use roaming partners, but that doesn't mean you can't use the phone in those areas, nor does it mean you can't use your m2m minutes in those areas.
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population doesn't equal larger coverage area. the amount of places you can physically use your phone equals coverage area. verizon can't offer their own service in areas where they use roaming partners, but that doesn't mean you can't use the phone in those areas, nor does it mean you can't use your m2m minutes in those areas.
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There's no sales rep here.
If you want to argure that POPs aren't directly related to coverage area, then go right ahead. It just seems a little far-fetched to argue that a difference of 48 million POPs is not going to prove a point that the coverage area MUST be larger, especially considering Cingular only services 3 more top 100 markets than Verizon does. That surely wouldn't make up 48 million POPs alone. But look at it as you will...
If you want to argure that POPs aren't directly related to coverage area, then go right ahead. It just seems a little far-fetched to argue that a difference of 48 million POPs is not going to prove a point that the coverage area MUST be larger, especially considering Cingular only services 3 more top 100 markets than Verizon does. That surely wouldn't make up 48 million POPs alone. But look at it as you will...
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POP's AREN'T directly related to coverage area.
fact is, in those pink areas you see on verizon's map, they can't be counted as potential customers because verizon does not have phone numbers to offer in those areas. if you live in the extended network, you can't get a verizon phone, unless you give verizon an address that's in the vzw network.
that said, you CAN use your phone in those areas, use your m2m minutes, and not pay roaming charges. you're just using Alltell's network, or some local carrier.
cingular can offer it's service to more customers. that doesn't mean your cingular phone will work in more places.
again, you've seen the maps. it's clear you can use your verizon phone in more digital areas than you can with...
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fact is, in those pink areas you see on verizon's map, they can't be counted as potential customers because verizon does not have phone numbers to offer in those areas. if you live in the extended network, you can't get a verizon phone, unless you give verizon an address that's in the vzw network.
that said, you CAN use your phone in those areas, use your m2m minutes, and not pay roaming charges. you're just using Alltell's network, or some local carrier.
cingular can offer it's service to more customers. that doesn't mean your cingular phone will work in more places.
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Do you think that Cingular is going to sell service in a location that it doesn't have any of its own coverage? No. That being said, Cingular's own coverage area must be rather large to offer service to 290 million customers. And just looking at POPs leaves out Cingular's roaming partners (mainly T-Mobile and U.S. Cellular) in places where Cingular uses their coverage but cannot sell their own services due to lack of ownership of coverage, which would only add to the coverage area that Cingular mobile to mobile can be used on.
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i've asked you three times now. you seem to be dodging the question.
if you can use your phone in more digital/mobile to mobile areas with your cingular phone than you can with your verizon phone, where are the maps wrong?
if you can use your phone in more digital/mobile to mobile areas with your cingular phone than you can with your verizon phone, where are the maps wrong?
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You are seriously going to rely on a wireless companies coverage map?
About 80% of the people reading this will probably laugh at that idea. First of all, the national maps are so broad and general that they are never that accurate. Plus, nearly everybody in the wireless industry knows that ALL carriers exaggerate coverage on national maps.
I'm not purposely dodging the question. It just is utterly ridiculous to judge/compare a company's coverage by its coverage map, unless you were comparing all local coverage maps.
I don't know where those maps are wrong, of if they are wrong at all. But to me, just by looking at those maps the mobile to mobile coverage is too close to call.
To me, the numbers say it all.
About 80% of the people reading this will probably laugh at that idea. First of all, the national maps are so broad and general that they are never that accurate. Plus, nearly everybody in the wireless industry knows that ALL carriers exaggerate coverage on national maps.
I'm not purposely dodging the question. It just is utterly ridiculous to judge/compare a company's coverage by its coverage map, unless you were comparing all local coverage maps.
I don't know where those maps are wrong, of if they are wrong at all. But to me, just by looking at those maps the mobile to mobile coverage is too close to call.
To me, the numbers say it all.
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it's also utterly ridiculous to think that potential population has to do with coverage areas.
think of it this way:
you put up a tower over an apartment building that housed 300 people, but you could only use your phone in the apartment.
i put up a tower in a 10 square block area where only 100 people live.
you have more potential customers. i have a larger coverage area.
think of it this way:
you put up a tower over an apartment building that housed 300 people, but you could only use your phone in the apartment.
i put up a tower in a 10 square block area where only 100 people live.
you have more potential customers. i have a larger coverage area.
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Oh, that's right. Verizon services the "Sticks" with their network too. Damnit I knew I was forgeting something. 🤣
I guess the numbers and the maps just won't convice either one of us.
I guess the numbers and the maps just won't convice either one of us.
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Sticks or not...like I've said before: if I'm driving in the middle of nowhere, like say...driving to Las Vegas for instance. My car breaks down, I don't give a damn how I sound on the other end of the phone (digital vs. analog) all I care about is that my phone makes a connection to AAA so I can get assistance. Thus, a larger coverage area in square miles will benefit me more than a larger POP.
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"It ain't broke, it just needs duct tape!"
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speedywalk said:
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OMG! you made my night... -...LMFAO as I submit this thread...-
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The analog argument is useless.
Even though GSM phones are not equipped with analog roaming, they are equipped with GPS. If my phone didn't have a signal it can still make "emergency calls", which aren't really calls at all but send out an emergency signal. But hey if it still gets me assistance, what's the difference than actually trying to tell the person on the other end of the analog signal (good luck with that) that you're in need of assistance.
Even though GSM phones are not equipped with analog roaming, they are equipped with GPS. If my phone didn't have a signal it can still make "emergency calls", which aren't really calls at all but send out an emergency signal. But hey if it still gets me assistance, what's the difference than actually trying to tell the person on the other end of the analog signal (good luck with that) that you're in need of assistance.
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again, you're assuming every area vzw has service that cingular doesn't is analog....that's not true.
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What are you talking about?
I was making the point that if Verizon's analog is the only thing that is going to make a person's decision, its not a very good reason. If I'm stranded in the middle of nowhere, I'm going to be able to get assistance with Verizon's analog (if I can get the call through) or Cingular's GPS.
I never stated anything about Verizon's service being analog where Cingular has none. That would be ridiculous because their digital footprints would have to be identical, and we all know that's not true considering Cingular has the largest digital network.
I was making the point that if Verizon's analog is the only thing that is going to make a person's decision, its not a very good reason. If I'm stranded in the middle of nowhere, I'm going to be able to get assistance with Verizon's analog (if I can get the call through) or Cingular's GPS.
I never stated anything about Verizon's service being analog where Cingular has none. That would be ridiculous because their digital footprints would have to be identical, and we all know that's not true considering Cingular has the largest digital network.
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And you're assuming that every VZW cust or potential VZW cust wants a tri-mode phone... To bury this thread even deeper...
VZW has a larger coverage area when analog is added to the pic thus with the america's choice a larger m2m footprint... But you can only have a tri-mode phone and no other...
Cingular has a larger m2m customer base and a larger digital footprint, also a customer can use ANY of our phones, they don't need to be tri or quad band phones...
Also, whoever argues that POP's are not important to coverage may not fully understand the importance of POP's... I'm not going to educate since the only reason that's talked down is bcz Cingular has more, only reason it's talked up is bcz Cingular has more... Should the roles b...
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VZW has a larger coverage area when analog is added to the pic thus with the america's choice a larger m2m footprint... But you can only have a tri-mode phone and no other...
Cingular has a larger m2m customer base and a larger digital footprint, also a customer can use ANY of our phones, they don't need to be tri or quad band phones...
Also, whoever argues that POP's are not important to coverage may not fully understand the importance of POP's... I'm not going to educate since the only reason that's talked down is bcz Cingular has more, only reason it's talked up is bcz Cingular has more... Should the roles b...
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No its not, but there are areas that cingular has coverage that verizon doesnt. You can also only use m2m on the digital footprint, if you go to analog you will be charged roaming with verizon.
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That is true, There are places that Verizon has digital coverage that cingular doesn't, but it also works the other way around and moreso. Cingulars Digital Network is bigger and therefore covers more places than anyother carriers.
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The analog argument is useless.
Even though GSM phones are not equipped with analog roaming, they are equipped with GPS. If my phone didn't have a signal it can still make "emergency calls", which aren't really calls at all but send out an emergency signal. But hey if it still gets me assistance, what's the difference than actually trying to tell the person on the other end of the analog signal (good luck with that) that you're in need of assistance.
You can have the signal no one is going to respond to. I'll take the live person. After all your good responses, this one doesn't make much sense. Analog works great and I have used it, especially when the network used to be ALL anal...
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canddmeyer said:...RUFF1415 said:
The analog argument is useless.
Even though GSM phones are not equipped with analog roaming, they are equipped with GPS. If my phone didn't have a signal it can still make "emergency calls", which aren't really calls at all but send out an emergency signal. But hey if it still gets me assistance, what's the difference than actually trying to tell the person on the other end of the analog signal (good luck with that) that you're in need of assistance.
You can have the signal no one is going to respond to. I'll take the live person. After all your good responses, this one doesn't make much sense. Analog works great and I have used it, especially
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GPS uses satellite to locate a signal and send it to the nearest emergency response municipality, who in turn are given the exact location (within feet) of where the signal was sent from.
"Hey Joe...There's an emergency signal coming from Devil's Rock! Isn't that where some people rock climb during this time of year?"
"Yeah, yeah I think you're right."
"Well should we do something about it?"
"Nah, who'd be rock climbing on a day like this?"
Riiiigggghhhhht. 🤣
"Hey Joe...There's an emergency signal coming from Devil's Rock! Isn't that where some people rock climb during this time of year?"
"Yeah, yeah I think you're right."
"Well should we do something about it?"
"Nah, who'd be rock climbing on a day like this?"
Riiiigggghhhhht. 🤣
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who cares which company has the biggest network? what matters is what works best where you live. if verizon works better then go with verizon. if cingular works better, then go with cingular. if both are equall, then make your choice on phone selection, price, or customer service ratings. just because one company is bigger then the other doesn't mean one is better then the other. it's a stupid argument.
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Really you have a good point there, Cingular added over 1.8 million Customers in Quarter alone, churn only decreased 0.01%, also distracted by the merger of two large companies probably only 75% focused, and we still made history, Verizon Couldnt do that on one of there good quarters, wait until we are fully merge, we will make history again 🙂
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Mostly in your interpritations of said maps.
It is a fact that Cingular has a larger nationwide coverage area and a larger digital coverage area. Now Verizon does in fact have a larger network altogether, but if a customer has a digital only phone and they go to one of those analog coverage areas, well sorry folks there is no coverage (and don't try to argue about Tri Mode phones because more than half of verizons selection is dual band CDMA Digital only).
It is a fact that Cingular has a larger nationwide coverage area and a larger digital coverage area. Now Verizon does in fact have a larger network altogether, but if a customer has a digital only phone and they go to one of those analog coverage areas, well sorry folks there is no coverage (and don't try to argue about Tri Mode phones because more than half of verizons selection is dual band CDMA Digital only).
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actually, unless i'm misunderstanding what is being said here, cingular can't roam off of uscc because the systems aren't the same. uscc uses cdma, cingular uses gsm.
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I corrected myself in a response to that post. I meant Cellular One (Dobson). Western Wireless also builds out GSM networks for companies such as Cingular.
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Pink isn't covered by the In Network Calling.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/coveragemap ... »
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/coveragemap ... »
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what is the point of Verizon having more coverage Digital and Analog (AM Radio) lol, when you dont have the POP's under it?
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I don't know what you're talking about.
My argument was that Cingular has more coverage and more POPs than Verizon. Could you please restate the question?
My argument was that Cingular has more coverage and more POPs than Verizon. Could you please restate the question?
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Since February 2nd? Isn't it January 25th today? Are you speaking of February 2nd of 2004?
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I just looked at the map and light pink doesn't offer In Network Calling. the only places that offer it are the dark red, red, and light red. Pink doesn't offer it. Stop trying to spread misinformation.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/coveragemap ... »
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/coveragemap ... »
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huh?
http://www.verizonwireless.com/images_b2c/maps/natio ... »
and i quote: pink/red: America's Choice AND NATIONAL IN CALLING Home Airtime Rate and Coverage Area....
who's spreading misinformation again?
http://www.verizonwireless.com/images_b2c/maps/natio ... »
and i quote: pink/red: America's Choice AND NATIONAL IN CALLING Home Airtime Rate and Coverage Area....
who's spreading misinformation again?
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Maybe you are color blind, it's okay, happens to lots of people. So maybe numbers and shapes will work better. Three boxes (each a different shade of red) are covered by the AC National in calling are. One box (you know those square things) shaded pink without coverage in the In Network Calling Area.
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From what I know is that Verizon has a wider Digital Network and I work for ATTWS/Cingular and had Verizon Wireless as my provider.
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Nope.
"New Cingular to serve 46 Million Customers With Largest Digital Voice and Data Wireless Network in U.S."
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.pl?A ... »
And they're network has grown considerably even since then. They've added 1,000 new cell sites across the nation and acquired a small network in Michigan.
"New Cingular to serve 46 Million Customers With Largest Digital Voice and Data Wireless Network in U.S."
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.pl?A ... »
And they're network has grown considerably even since then. They've added 1,000 new cell sites across the nation and acquired a small network in Michigan.
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If Cingular is better then why was there churn almost twice as much as VZW in the 4th quarter?
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Ericveli said:
If Cingular is better then why was there churn almost twice as much as VZW in the 4th quarter?
Churn can constist of alot, including agents or reps having someone sign up on new numbers and cancel their old numbers, just so that they get paid... Not just people leaving the company to go to the big VzW 😲
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DO you realize that digital networks are all that is out there right now. GSM, CDMA (Verizion), TDMA, all of those are digital. Verizion has little to no coverage in Mississippi, but Cingular DOES have coverage in most ALL Verizon markets.
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I waould have to also say that Cingular is much better. Rollover, M2M coverage is there, but I would pick Cingular from just plain rep. The coverage in general MUCH out weights Verizon. Not to mention that cingular without a doubt has the fastest growing tower network amoung ALL wireless carriers. I know that before the buyout of AT&T is complete, Cingular will offer plans that will not EVER & could not EVER be touched by ANY of the other carriers.
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If they both have coverage in your area then pick the carrier that has the phone or services YOU want! You know the coverage isn't going to be an issue, so just make your pick based on whatever it is your looking for. 😕
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I use both a Verizon phone and a Cingular phone. I get decent service with both phones. I work for Verizon, but both companies have good coverage. Verizon has better coverage and has the ability to make calls in analog. So if you car explodes in the nowhere backcountry, you will likely get a call through on Verizon. I think Cingular has some cool phones, and they are polite (personal experience). Their coverage is good too.
I say try them both. Take advantage of the trial periods and see what you think. Besides, this thread has turned into a pissing match anyway. Just try them both and make up your own mind.
I say try them both. Take advantage of the trial periods and see what you think. Besides, this thread has turned into a pissing match anyway. Just try them both and make up your own mind.
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Verizon ranked higher in the last JD Powers report for network quality in all the major areas reported as did T-Mobile.
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By far cingular is the better choice 7p.m. nights, rollover, not to mention cingular will be unveiling new technology to everyone much quicker than verizon!
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What technology is Cingular unveiling??? Cingular's Data network will be slower than EV-DO until at least 2006 and Verizon is supposed to re launch PTT in the next month or two. Do people care about network quality anymore or is it more important to have blocked calls, dropped calls and bad reception in the name of "Rollover" and 7PMnights and weekends. T-Mobile has a better rating than Cingular in numerous independent tests including JD Power recently. where is Cingular going to get the capital to build out their future plans anyway? The just spent over 40 Billion on ATT which was well over what it was worth and now they are going to ATT landline next??? They will be 60 Billion in the crapper. I also hear that Verizon is launching ne...
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You need to educate yourself before you run sh!t from your mouth. Cingular already has released UMTS/HSDPA in 7 cities and plans to have the majority of the rest of their GSM network upgraded by end of 2005. That time frame is on par with Verizon's expectations of EV-DO. But from knowing how fast Cingular can effectively roll out an entirely new network, I'm expecting Cingular to complete its overlay before Verizon.
Cingular's UMTS/HSDPA network has speed capabilities of 14.4 mbps. Verizon's EV-DO network has speed capabilities of 3.2 mbps. Wait, tell me whose is faster now? And Cingular has PTT planned for release in the upcoming months also. And once again, I'm betting they'll complete the rollout faster than Verizon will.
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Cingular's UMTS/HSDPA network has speed capabilities of 14.4 mbps. Verizon's EV-DO network has speed capabilities of 3.2 mbps. Wait, tell me whose is faster now? And Cingular has PTT planned for release in the upcoming months also. And once again, I'm betting they'll complete the rollout faster than Verizon will.
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Is HSPDA available to the real world yet or in a test phase?? Didn't Cingular place the first test data call within the last month??
HSPDA is no wherenear ready to roll out and EV DO Rev O is faster than UMTS in case you didn't know.
When Cingular aquired ATT they paid 41 Billion but also aquired 5 billion of their debt with the deal.
The first HSPDA call from a handset was place within the last week or so by qualcom and nortel so I find it odd that HSPDA is up and running in 7 cities.
You might want to retract the statement above because Verizon currently has the fastest Data network in the country.
Can you hear me now??? This message brought to you by the power of EV DO Rev A!! 🤣
HSPDA is no wherenear ready to roll out and EV DO Rev O is faster than UMTS in case you didn't know.
When Cingular aquired ATT they paid 41 Billion but also aquired 5 billion of their debt with the deal.
The first HSPDA call from a handset was place within the last week or so by qualcom and nortel so I find it odd that HSPDA is up and running in 7 cities.
You might want to retract the statement above because Verizon currently has the fastest Data network in the country.
Can you hear me now??? This message brought to you by the power of EV DO Rev A!! 🤣
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HSDPA? No. Its available and in use in Japan. The speeds are real world speeds that have been proven time and time again. The call that you are referring to is the first HSDPA call made in the U.S. HSDPA is only a software upgrade for UMTS which has been in use 7 cities for 6 months now by Cingular and AT&T.
UMTS is absolutely ready to roll out and HSDPA is only a software upgrade away. Cingular isn't going to make promises that they can't keep, they've kept their promises time and time again. They said they would have their GSM overlay completed within a year and they did it in 8 months. They said they'll have their UMTS overlay nearly complete by the end of the year, and believe me they'll do it.
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UMTS is absolutely ready to roll out and HSDPA is only a software upgrade away. Cingular isn't going to make promises that they can't keep, they've kept their promises time and time again. They said they would have their GSM overlay completed within a year and they did it in 8 months. They said they'll have their UMTS overlay nearly complete by the end of the year, and believe me they'll do it.
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I'm sure Andy Seybold would back this one up, EV DO is faster than UMTS period. Here is what Rich Brome has to say from the Techs and Trends forum
According to Verizon and AT&T, EV-DO averages 300-500 kbps, while WCDMA averages 220-320 kbps. But according to most people, (and my own personal experience,) Verizon's estimates are conservative. They do that for legal reasons - they could get in trouble for false advertising if they overpromise. So in reality, Verizon's EV-DO service is more than twice as fast as AT&T's WCDMA, (and using far less spectrum).
HSDPA is fantastic in theory, but it's not available yet. When I met with Cingular spokespeople last week, they said they don't expect to launch HSDPA until 2006. Until then, EV-DO Rev...
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According to Verizon and AT&T, EV-DO averages 300-500 kbps, while WCDMA averages 220-320 kbps. But according to most people, (and my own personal experience,) Verizon's estimates are conservative. They do that for legal reasons - they could get in trouble for false advertising if they overpromise. So in reality, Verizon's EV-DO service is more than twice as fast as AT&T's WCDMA, (and using far less spectrum).
HSDPA is fantastic in theory, but it's not available yet. When I met with Cingular spokespeople last week, they said they don't expect to launch HSDPA until 2006. Until then, EV-DO Rev...
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Give me a link for the Techs and Trends page that is on. Then I'll believe it.
The fact that WCDMA uses more spectrum than EV-DO is irrelevant. WCDMA is a single technology for voice AND data. EV-DO is specifically data and seperate spectrum must be used to implement it ontop of CDMA voice.
I know that WCDMA is the same thing as UMTS. However, I prefer UMTS because people get confused and think that WCDMA is the same as CDMA, when its not.
EDGE is faster than CDMA 2000 1X. Hence Cingular's title to "Fastest Nationwide Data Network".
I have no worries that HSDPA will live up to its hype. Don't you worry too much either.
There's no Cingular employee here.
And I'm not even going to try and put a lame closer in my post......
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The fact that WCDMA uses more spectrum than EV-DO is irrelevant. WCDMA is a single technology for voice AND data. EV-DO is specifically data and seperate spectrum must be used to implement it ontop of CDMA voice.
I know that WCDMA is the same thing as UMTS. However, I prefer UMTS because people get confused and think that WCDMA is the same as CDMA, when its not.
EDGE is faster than CDMA 2000 1X. Hence Cingular's title to "Fastest Nationwide Data Network".
I have no worries that HSDPA will live up to its hype. Don't you worry too much either.
There's no Cingular employee here.
And I'm not even going to try and put a lame closer in my post......
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WOW look how touchy the verizon people get when there company just isn't #1 anymore
This message brought to you by HSDPA and thats the correct spelling!
This message brought to you by HSDPA and thats the correct spelling!
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Hey maverick, you better check with Goose. HSDPA isn't available yet so if anything your message was brought by UMTS/WCDMA which is slower than EV DO. I hope that Cingular can stay number one, I mean they spent over 40 Billion dollars to get there. I remember when Cingular was first launched how they were going to save the world with self expression, hahahaha. I use Verizon and have friends working at Verizon and Cingular here in Chicago. The ones working at Cingular are scared that they might loose their jobs because of this merger and are always talking about how they are treated, is it true that last year Cingular toook the free coffee from the breakrooms at the call centers??? Ouch but hey they are raising the bar, hahaha
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Glad you have nothing better to do than rag on Cingular all day.
Once again, don't worr about Cingular staying number one. They apparently are doing fine.
Adding 1.8 million customers in one quarter, all while going through a merger is a pretty amazing feat. They lowered their churn considerably too. Can't wait to see what happens in these upcoming quarters. Higher net adds and lower churn. Looking good... 🙂
Once again, don't worr about Cingular staying number one. They apparently are doing fine.
Adding 1.8 million customers in one quarter, all while going through a merger is a pretty amazing feat. They lowered their churn considerably too. Can't wait to see what happens in these upcoming quarters. Higher net adds and lower churn. Looking good... 🙂
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I have a hunch that Cingular will have a bad first half of the year one they start writing off all of the bad ATT debt. Say did Cingualr make a profit last quarter??? How many customers did both ATT and Cingular add last year??? Hmm sounds like Verizon still did better for the year. We will have a lot to talk about three months from now!
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Cingular added 1.8 million customers. Verizon added 1.7 million.
I'm honestly not trying to be rude but you would have to be mentally challenged to think Cingular could have made a profit last quarter. They just spent $41 billion on another company, and I know you know that. What company has $41 billion in revenue for one quarter?
Hmmm, sounds like Cingular kicked Verizon's ass considering they were/are in the midst of a merger and STILL added more customers than Verizon did.
Keep it up Cingular. 🙂
I'm honestly not trying to be rude but you would have to be mentally challenged to think Cingular could have made a profit last quarter. They just spent $41 billion on another company, and I know you know that. What company has $41 billion in revenue for one quarter?
Hmmm, sounds like Cingular kicked Verizon's ass considering they were/are in the midst of a merger and STILL added more customers than Verizon did.
Keep it up Cingular. 🙂
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What were the totals for the year??? By the way, Cingualr added 1.76 million so it was only 60,000 difference and Verizon's plans are steep. I will admit than Verizon will die if they continue charging more for network quality and having a poor attitude that you should pay more for better service. How about a truce and we will see what happens when the first quarter results are out!
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Where did you hear that Cingular added 1.76 million? They added 1.8 million. They don't round those numbers up. Show me some infor on that "1.76 million". The only explanation I can think of is not including the 100,000 customers AT&T added in the first 25 days of November.
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I heard this from a friend that works for Cingular in Chicago. They said that the actual adds was 1.76 but they rounded it up. verzon did the same thing in the third quarter.
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Too Clarify, on Verizons map the red and the pink is their mobile to mobile footprint. Cingular does have the largets mobile to mobile community but Verizon has the largest mobile to mobile footprint. Thats fact.
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Over half of Verizon's phone lineup are only dual-band (digital only). So who has the largest mobile to mobile footprint when you can only use your phone in the red? Right...
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Your comment is silly. Any Verizon customer who wants to can purchase a trimode phone and can thereupon utilize the entire Verizon mobile to mobile footprint. If a customer chooses not to, it is his choice, not Verizon's.
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My comment is not "silly". If more than half of Verizon's phones are not tri-mode that doesn't leave me much chance of picking a phone that I like that will also utilize the larger M2M footprint. Plus, I'm willing to bet that most sales reps aren't going to push for you to get a tri-mode phone just so you can use the extended mobile to mobile coverage area.
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I still think it's silly. I've had no trouble finding trimode phones I like. Anyone who calls into analog areas will find a trimode phone. Although trimode phones may now be less than half the phones that Verizon offers, there are still plenty of them available for those who want them. You're just making up reasons to argue that the Verizon footprint is smaller than it is.
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I'm not making up reasons to argue that Verizon's footprint is small, or smaller than it is. Its obvious that Verizon has the largest overall footprint.
My argument is about how well a person is going to be able to utilize that extra chunk of network. If you're being realistic Cingular's network is going to benefit most customers better because they can choose whatever phone they please and they don't have to worry about paying roaming charges on the minutes that are "free".
My argument is about how well a person is going to be able to utilize that extra chunk of network. If you're being realistic Cingular's network is going to benefit most customers better because they can choose whatever phone they please and they don't have to worry about paying roaming charges on the minutes that are "free".
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Pink or Red, who really cares. Cingular is doing the most at upgrading its network. Verizon is screaming they have the best network but they were in the similar situation Cingular was in a few years ago. They had just consolidated with about 4 or 5 regional carriers and it took them a while to get everything straight. The same can be said about Cingular, the only difference is that they had to overlay there TDMA network with GSM and still keep that network up-to-date at the same time. Which they are doing. Verizon just had to consolidate with the carriers. Give it a while and we'll see who is screaming can you hear me now. I have had Verizon and it was about the exact same as Cingular in the Houston area. The only difference is that...
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Basically decide this:
What do the people I will be talking to use. M2M is the way to go!
What kind of phone do I want? Cingular I must say has way cooler phones than Verizon.
What other areas do I travel and what works better?
Am I wireless tech savvy? I say this because Verizon's customer care (not only in my opinion but in consumer reports and jd power) is better than cingulars. I know wireless in and out so customer service is really at the bottom of my list. I can take care of 90% of problems on my own.
For pretty much purely the m2m factor I stick with Verizon, though cingular would suit me equally well.
The decision is yours.
What do the people I will be talking to use. M2M is the way to go!
What kind of phone do I want? Cingular I must say has way cooler phones than Verizon.
What other areas do I travel and what works better?
Am I wireless tech savvy? I say this because Verizon's customer care (not only in my opinion but in consumer reports and jd power) is better than cingulars. I know wireless in and out so customer service is really at the bottom of my list. I can take care of 90% of problems on my own.
For pretty much purely the m2m factor I stick with Verizon, though cingular would suit me equally well.
The decision is yours.
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Look, All wireless is like a hot fudge sunday. You will get what you want because you choose the item that you like the best. You really can't go wrong with something you like. I could have a bag phone sitting at my side and if I loved it than who is joe bob to say that it doesn't work very well? If I like the bag phone than I will freakin keep it. To answer the man's question where it started. Choose the product that suits you the best and if you don't like it, get rid of it. All the little people on this forum can sit here and moan about who's better and who's faster and who's in debt and who's not but that doesn't answer the freakin question. Go try the product yourself. You are your best critic 😁
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