marathoncyclist said:
Blue guy if what you say is true, I would rather pay for roaming than be stuck injured out there somewhere. What kind of guy are you! 👿

zaakir said:
cingular isnt for you if you frequent rural, back country areas. u need cdma.

marathoncyclist said:
I live in San Diego, and my bike trips can take me over 100 miles out. Another cyclist had a cingular, nokia gait phone that worked just fine when my GSM phone didn't. I can't remember the model number or even know if I still can buy one for those emergency use. Are there any cingular gait phones that I can buy (it needs to be able to take my sim card.)

marathoncyclist said:
😁 THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. Now, I just hope I can find one hopefully on ebay.

joef3 said:
There's no such thing as a GAIT sim, ass.

lordrevan05 said:
🤣 🤣 I love you guys. All we need is that Aberfitch guy and we'll really have a ball. 😛

BlueGuy said:

marathoncyclist said:
😁 THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. Now, I just hope I can find one hopefully on ebay.

Good try, but there is no GAIT sim's, so then you got a nice paperweight, they stopped making those about 6 months or so back.A regular sim only picks up GSM towers a gait sim allows you access to tdma and if you got the Sony Erricson T-62U, unlocked with a gait sim, then you'd have access to analogas well.But they don't make them,thats why i'm sure you find lots of gait phones, like the siemens s-46, sony erricson T-62U, pr the 6340i, butyou STILL need a gsit sim to run that puppy!!,used sims don't work either, but people tens to use gait sims ,cuz yo

deltasigmatheta said:
You must have your messages mixed up. The guy asked which nokia was gait and I answered him.

BlueGuy said:
Uh no!!!,read it talks about why you need A GAIT TO EXPIERIENCE MULTIPLE NETWORKS, tdma, gsm and possibly analog!!!

http://www.3gamericas.org/pdfs/gait-h-2-1-4-2.pdf

from that same document:

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After SIM activation (see sub-clause 4.3.2, GSM 11.11) the ME follows the GSM initialization procedures up to and
including the IMSI Request. The ME then attempts to select the Dedicated File DFTIA/EIA-136. If DFTIA/EIA-136 is present, then
the SIM is a GSM/ANSI-136 SIM. If the DFTIA/EIA-136 is not present then the ME may attempt to select the dedicated file DF
EIA/TIA-553. If DF EIA/TIA-553 is present, then the SIM shall be considered to be a GSM/AMPS SIM and subs...
(continues)

jinx7676 said:

BlueGuy said:

marathoncyclist said:
I'm a long distance cyclist and cingular customer. Quite frequently our cycle trips takes us out of the GSM coverage areas. I was wondering which phones if any are available are "gait" phones that I can buy specifically for these rural road trips? (in case of an emergency) I still plan to keep my gsm phone as my primary phone. (BLUEGUY PLEASE DON'T
RESPOND, I DON'T WANT YOUR HELP)

TOO BAD, YOU CAN FIND A GAIT PHONE, BUT YOU DO GET CHARGED OFF NETWORK ROAMING ,SINCE YOU GET FREE ROAMING ON THE GSM SIDE, BUT GAIT PHONES PICK UP TDMA AND SOME ALSO ANALOG AS WELL AS TDMA AND GSM, SO YOU CAN USE IT ,BUT YOU GET DINGED

BlueGuy said:

...but as for the Gait phones, you have to have a GAIT sim, just popping in your sim does not work ,and thats why i told that to them, about simply for 911, to use deactivated tdma for emergency. i could have said well you waited too long to, but if had done this and that in the past, then sure,but hindsight is a real bitch, ain't it????

BlueGuy said:
Cool, so and when it does not work please do 2 things, 1 forward your problems to jinx, since you like his answers despite the truth, and don't call care, since if you don't know, read 1 thing.

You can activate any COAM device, and place it on the system, the system will only allow you access to the GSM side unless you have a gait sim, becuase as many people have said on these posts the programming for you signal and service goes through the sim, so no GAIT SIM no GAIT service, only GSM!!, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GAIT SIM!!!!!

jinx7676 said:

BlueGuy said:
Cool, so and when it does not work please do 2 things, 1 forward your problems to jinx, since you like his answers despite the truth, and don't call care, since if you don't know, read 1 thing.

You can activate any COAM device, and place it on the system, the system will only allow you access to the GSM side unless you have a gait sim, becuase as many people have said on these posts the programming for you signal and service goes through the sim, so no GAIT SIM no GAIT service, only GSM!!, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GAIT SIM!!!!!

THERE IS NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN ANY DIFFERENCE IN SIM CARDS BETWEEN GSM AND GAIT PHONES. IT IS ALL IN THE OTA AND IRDB PROGRAMMING OF T

Shayby said:
Blue we dont have webaxe. Our systems don't operate the way the old ATTWS systems do. I know because I was a blue rep, I still take blue reps on sundays.

BlueGuy said:

Shayby said:
Blue we dont have webaxe. Our systems don't operate the way the old ATTWS systems do. I know because I was a blue rep, I still take blue reps on sundays.

Fine, the point is still the same, you HAVE to have a GAIT SIM to make it work, there's no 2 ways about it!!!!!Otherwise it only STILL gets only GSM!!!

AtTheMet said:
All SIMs sold on the Cingular side after the merger of BellSouth and SBC are compatible. A 32K SIM is all you need to fit the GAIT settings on the phone.A SIM becomes GAIT capable after the OTA is sent to the phone with a matching ESN stored in billing.

greyrat said:
you would need a multiband plan, and I am pretty sure that Cingular isn't offering them anymore, and more certain that attws doesn't offer them either. As far as activating or getting GAIT service on either carrier you would need to assume financial responsibility for GAIT service from someone who would be willing to sign it over to you.

greyrat said:
which is why a person would need to assume responsibility of an exsisting plan.

Icyhot said:
I have a Nokia 6620..but I have a 6340 in the drawer..I am on the FT2000...will they make my 6340 my primary phone where my SIM will work in it as well as my 6620?

dogear said:
No need for marathon to do that. All he has to do is get his used gait phone go and register it on his account. I got a hold of used 6340i in Dec., had the phone resgistered on my existing GSM plan and it works just fine at my sister's who is NOT in a GSM coverage area. And NO LONG DISTNACE AND NO ROAMING CHARGES! 😛

greyrat said:
which is why a person would need to assume responsibility of an exsisting plan.

marathoncyclist said:
jinx, thanks for the info. I'm not even going to read Blueguys response to you, it's probably negative anyways. I can't believe this guy. I was just trying to find out answers and he like blows up in my face with a "Too Bad" You were very helpful. Thank you. P.S. I'll post back to let you know if works, well after I find the nokia. Again Thanks.

Shayby said:
Marathon, I apologize for Blueguy, he can be a little insensitive. He is correce in the fact you can make 911 calls from an old phone if you have one. Ill see if I can get a list of gait phones for you and post them.

Shayby said:
You know, one of the things they tell you in training is to show EMPATHY...do you know how to do that? Im not gonna start a flame war with you. Its not worth my time. But remember that is one thing we were taught, and even in training to be an orange rep they told us DO NOT LOSE YOUR SOFT SKILLS!!! Ok well thanks for calling cingular wireless have a good day 🙂

Shayby said:
Like I said I dont know much about Gait phones. But my ? is, if TDMA runs without a sim card, why would you need a specific sim card to access the tdma network?? Doesnt make much sense 😕 Im gonna have to agree with Jinx, everyone here ive asked has never heard of a gait Sim.

dogear said:
Just logged in. I CAN NOT BELIEVE the way Blue treated Marathon! That was so uncalled for. Thank goodness you guys stepped in. Analogue

BlueGuy said:
notice the last paragraph, of how each gait phone came with a GAIT sim card.!!!!
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BlueGuy said:
You guys either don't get it, won't get it, or just won't admit it, that link tell you what GAIT SIM CARDS,that whole 89 pages on that link is ALL ABOUT GAIT SIM CARDS, you just don't get it.

A GAIT SIM CARD allows you to access multiple network, like AMPS, and TDMA, the gait device then can uses it as it has both tdma and gsm software in the phone, to translate the GAIT SIM CARD INFO.

A REGULAR GSM CARD only works for GSM service, you go but a GAIT DEVICE, call in and activate the phone getting the IMEI and ESN off the back off the phone, but the phone will only get TDMA with the appropriate sim cards, that why you'll know its a GAIT DIM, it'll say WEST 32k sim, or if its a ATT sim GAIT it'll be blue

jinx7676 said:

Shayby said:
Like I said I dont know much about Gait phones. But my ? is, if TDMA runs without a sim card, why would you need a specific sim card to access the tdma network?? Doesnt make much sense 😕 Im gonna have to agree with Jinx, everyone here ive asked has never heard of a gait Sim.

God jinx ,stupid people are easy to laugh at, and you qualify. Thats like you saying hey i got a tmda phone, i'll just call and give them a esn number to use on my service, since a gait phone has an ESN too!!, NO!, a gait sim allows you toaccess both network , you can put any sim into a gait phone, but your sim still ONLY ACCESSES the GSM network, Ther Gait sim allows yo to access both

BlueGuy said:

jinx7676 said:

Shayby said:
Like I said I dont know much about Gait phones. But my ? is, if TDMA runs without a sim card, why would you need a specific sim card to access the tdma network?? Doesnt make much sense 😕 Im gonna have to agree with Jinx, everyone here ive asked has never heard of a gait Sim.

God jinx ,stupid people are easy to laugh at, and you qualify. Thats like you saying hey i got a tmda phone, i'll just call and give them a esn number to use on my service, since a gait phone has an ESN too!!, NO!, a gait sim allows you toaccess both network , you can put any sim into a gait phone, but your sim still ONLY ACCESSES the GSM network, Ther

jinx7676 said:

Shayby said:
Like I said I dont know much about Gait phones. But my ? is, if TDMA runs without a sim card, why would you need a specific sim card to access the tdma network?? Doesnt make much sense 😕 Im gonna have to agree with Jinx, everyone here ive asked has never heard of a gait Sim.

Thank you. You know, he mentioned all these systems to make himself look like he knows something, but what he mentioned is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. The fact that GAIT codes are built into any Nation Plans after Nov 15th, mean just that - GAIT phones will not be charged roaming any more than a GSM phone will. He keeps mentioning GAIT SIM's, even though i already disproved that. To reiterate,

scapegoat said:
It will pick up TDMA either way. whether it is TDMA-GAIT or GSM-GAIT, in the billing system. They only started provisioning them as GSM-GAIT to clear up space on the TDMA HLR's

Shayby said:
Like I said I dont know much about Gait phones. But my ? is, if TDMA runs without a sim card, why would you need a specific sim card to access the tdma network?? Doesnt make much sense 😕 Im gonna have to agree with Jinx, everyone here ive asked has never heard of a gait Sim.

dogear said:

dogear said:
If what you say about "Gait Sims" then why does my 6340i phone work from a Sim that I got from my GSM phone? 😛

dogear said:
I WAS outside the GSM coverage area where my GSM phone did not work. Face it you got caught being wrong. . . . Again. no way to explain your way out of this one!!. 😛 😛 😛 😛

Shayby said:
Sony Ericsson T62U, Im not too familar with gait phones but that is the only one im finding.

lexical said:
Yep... a good old OTA sent to the SIM... however, the last time I checked, MBMI plans were no longer an option

jinx7676 said:

lexical said:
Yep... a good old OTA sent to the SIM... however, the last time I checked, MBMI plans were no longer an option

Ant Nation plans after 11/15/04 have the GAIT codes loaded. I havent looked at the plans that became official today, but i will look tomorrow.

joef3 said:
I was under the impression that you s hould never put a 64k card in a GAIT phone?

I know there is no such thing as a GAIT sim...but I was told that a 64k sim would not function in a gait phone. My store has a stack of 32k sim cards that we saved just in case a GAIT customer needs one.

Shayby said:

joef3 said:
I was under the impression that you s hould never put a 64k card in a GAIT phone?

I know there is no such thing as a GAIT sim...but I was told that a 64k sim would not function in a gait phone. My store has a stack of 32k sim cards that we saved just in case a GAIT customer needs one.

That might be true idk ive never heard it.

Shayby said:

joef3 said:
I was under the impression that you s hould never put a 64k card in a GAIT phone?

I know there is no such thing as a GAIT sim...but I was told that a 64k sim would not function in a gait phone. My store has a stack of 32k sim cards that we saved just in case a GAIT customer needs one.

That might be true idk ive never heard it.