You obviously have no clue whatsoever. What would make you think that the CEO of AT&T would openly criticize a product made by one of their premiere partners, Apple? Are you serious?

You talk about forward thinking....Forward thinking is why AT&T partnered with Apple when Verizon wasn't willing to. Forward thinking is why AT&T went with the 3g path they did. Forward thinking. ATT will be able to upgrade their network/speeds a lot easier than Verizon, who will be building out an entire new network with LTE. Feel free to switch to Verizon, sure their speeds will be faster, but hope you live in a major metro area, and hope you live in one of the select cities they roll it out to first. AT&T has done plenty of forward thinking - that's not "...
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I have no idea why you are saying I hope you live in a major city with LTE, because by the Time AT&T gets LTE out, Verizon will have it in over 100 markets. They already can add LTE in the whole US which they plan on doing.

I think Verizon has look toward teh future pretty good.

I also think they have done pretty well to have some of the best ratings in the US for the tech. they use.

The best data provider world wide is Verizon.

That is really good.

Not saying AT&T can't do anything, but they will need to show it, and there 3G isn't showing it right now.

Which makes me think there LTE won't show eather.

And Verizon is not worryed about building out a new network. They are excited about it very much.

Because LTE will only roll out in major cites first, that is why.

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by the Time AT&T gets LTE out, Verizon will have it in over 100 markets.

That statement is completely without any factual basis, especially in this current economy. Verizon has planned LTE for 2010, AT&T has planned for 2011. Verizon couldn't get EVDO out to 100 cities in one year when it was the same bandwidth when the economy was hopping so to say they can do it with slower sales is ridiculous.

Trust me, I would love to have LTE launch for my stores. I am just not jumping to these ridiculous conclusions.

Verizon said they will add too 30 markets or so THIS Summer, then will add out during the next year which will be around that number.

May not be right at 100, could be 85, 95.
Sorry, i didn't mean right at 100 markets.

calm down.

Verizon DID NOT say they would do 30 markets this summer. They are hoping to launch something by December as in ONE market.

Where did you get the 30 this summer figure?

Well, first off its already in 3 markets.

They will expand this summer like they did when EVDO came out which was 30 markets, and they said they would play it out like EVDO and an aggressive deployment throughout Verizon Wireless’ entire network, including areas not currently covered by the existing Verizon Wireless footprint.

Dude, you are smoking some serious crack. LTE has not been launched yet. Verizon's own press release says end of 2009 for a possible launch.

If you are reading this somewhere please cite your source.

huh? Where do you people get this information? Who the heck told you verizon has LTE in 3 markets?

They do.

Minneapolis, Columbus, Ohio, and Northern New Jersey.

And i didn't mean being sold at this point.

They are building it, and will buld out this Summer. Then will sell in December 09-Jan 10.

sorry, didn't mean to let yall think it was out, its not. and thats not what i ment.

Its in those markets, and they will expand this summer.

Then will sell in December - Jan 10 in those markets and cont. to expand.

Well if you are going down that path AT&T already has 20Mbps download speeds.

How is it a known fact the Americans don't want high-end camera phones when it's not even offered??? You can't know if demand for something exists or not w/o offering it.

I certainly have demand for TRUE broadband speeds, but the speeds aren't offered, in case theres confusion about TRUE broadband speed I'm referring to 4, 5, and 6mbps, not a measly 1.5mbps if network is optimal!

With reguards to me not knowing anything, I am a consumer, and consumers know far, far more about what we want than some marketing deptpartment.

AGAIN, you, nor I can't know if there is, or isn't demand for something if it isn't offered! --Something has to be available in order to gage demand.--

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So where exactly did you buy your phone? Do you have a magic Nokia phone maker in your garage?

You bought the phone and so could others. The FACT is that many do not. When is the last time you went to a CTIA or CES show? I have been to every CES since 1996. The MANUFACTURERS choose to not release in the US because even when they make phones available here they DON'T SELL like crazy. Those who TRULY demand them know how to buy them.

Poor marketing, most consumers don't know they can get handsets outside of they're carrier.

I view ATT as a service provider, not a cell phone provider.

I think you mistake the fact that most people don't know with fact that most people don't care. If people truly cared about these high end devices they could easily google it, look on eBay etc.

So why are you whining about AT&T not carrying high end camera phones?

If memory serves, Jay seems to want the ability to buy camera phones directly from at&t. However, I also seem to remember Jay saying that contracts are ridiculous and that it is foolish to sign a contract to get a discount on a phone.

Jay seems to forget that he can probably get a better deal buying unlocked from a third party, as the COR market, and I'm gonna assume the indirects, couldn't sell enough of the "high end camera phones" to be able to purchase them for a reasonable price, thus makeing it a more reasonable cost for a consumer at a subsidized rate, which I would assume would result in a contract.

Ultimately, I really think it just comes down to Jay liking to whine abotu at&t, and I am sure, overall, that the company as a wh...
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Tell you what. When you decide to switch to Verizon please visit one of the VERIZON stores that I own to make your purchase. I would love to hear personally from you how a Verizon agent is a fanboy of AT&T.

DLV said the iPhone isn't the worst and isn't the best in dropped calls. Because he wouldn't admit what you THINK you know he isn't being honest? Get off your high horse there guy. He admitted the phone had issues and it has improved. I HATE the iPhone because of what it has done to the agent distribution channel for AT&T but I am not nieve enough to say it has not improved.

And if AT&T's 3G speeds don't impress you I am curious to know how Verizon's will. I consistently get better speeds with AT&T over Verizon 3G. Verizon h...
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I do have a high-end phome, the Nokia N95-3.

When you mention speeds, are you talking about handsets, or data cards? What kind of speed? I think ATT using the word broadband, though it may be wireless, puts them in the same category as cable, who is the leader, that's why I think ATT abuses the word broadband.

So answer me this, how can you know if there is, or if there isn't demand for something that isn't offered???

Tmo customers certainly have demamd, they have been buying the -5mp- Samsung camera phone. The Samsung Memoir, how do you ?explain? That? They're Americans that are paying for a high-end camera phone.

There isn't demand enough to bring them to every store at every distribution point. I carried some high end phones purchased outside of AT&T and they just sat there. Sorry but you are in the very small minority when it comes to that. And the Samsung on T-Mobile, I would be willing to bet it isn't more than 3-5% of their product mix.

As far as broadband, the definition is just that, BROAD. There are countless speeds in between 350kbps and 18Mbps but they are all considered broadband. Verizon is slower than AT&T as it stands so are you not also upset at them?

Yes, I don't currently have mobile broadband from either ATT or Verizon, I'm waiting, (yr #3) of 3G networks in the U.S., for what I consider broadband, speeds above 3mbps, and above.

You mentioned 350kbps being considered broadband, isn't that more like EDGE?

I'm hoping to get mobile broadband by the end of this year or Feb/Mar next year. Whoever offers speeds that are actually worth $60/mo. I'd also like to get a NetBook.

EDGE is 200kbps.

The definition of broadband encompasses many different speeds. You want FASTER broadband which is fine but you won't get it with any coverage from Verizon's LTE anytime soon. WHEN At&t upgrades to the better version of HSPA they will have between 7 and 20Mbps via wireless. These aren't possible speeds, they are industry standard speeds from many sources.

Another thing about speeds that really frustrate me are certain phrases like speeds "up to", or "theoretical", or "test speeds". The only speeds that matter to me (the consumer) are real world (not a test environment), and end-user speeds.

Those like yourself who speak of 7+mbps, I don't take seriously because the network STILL isn't capable of 3.6 again I'm talking about the real world/end- user. Not advertised speeds, and not "optimal net work conditions", but real world AVERAGE speed of even half of 7.2 aren't yet a reality.

Real world & end-user are what I'm interested in. And the next 9 months, NOT the next 2-3yrs. 3G networks are over 3yrs old already and the network isn't yet capable of 3.6, and your "talking" about 7.2. I'm ...
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You could move to Japan...I hear their network is pretty fast.

Actually my 1st real camera phone is from Japan, the Sharp V903. It was a good phone for me. But right now I am very, very happy with my Nokia N95-3.

Wrong. AT&T Wireless launched the first commercially available 3G network in the US. There has been UMTS in Phoenix, Detroit, San Fran and Seattle since 2004.

Get your facts straight before posting troll threads.

And before you post some stupid sh*t about Verizon launching "3G" back in 2002, the speeds of the first EV-DO network were 40-60 kbps with peaks of 144 kbps. EDGE was launched before this with the same speeds.

I was referring to December 2005 I believe when Cingular launched in 16 cities.