Nextel charges $19.99 for the share line,than again I am not with Nextel anymore either 🙄

😕 Exactly. what was wrong with keeping $9.99 for each additional line on a FT?

Their precious ARPU is dropping. 🙄

Well their Rate of Penetration is going to drop severely. Did you notice that on a family plan if the customer has a large plan and want to move up in minutes the next plan up is $100 MORE!!! 😳
I don't want to give any specifics because of the whole confidential/proprietary thing.

Yeah.. I know... I am crying about it... But grin and bear it and change your approach again, Jackie... that's the name of the game with this company.

Cingular is actually doing all this to raise that, and I think that it will work. I just dont know if we willhave many new customers...

I know... I am just worried that it won't help much.

Okay so what exactly are the new individual plans going to be like? I hear the $49.99 plan is being taken away...is this true? If so WTF for?? 👿

🙄 Yes the $49.99 plan is dead. It jumps from $39.99 to $59.99 then to $79.99 (no more $84.99) and so forth it's all in learning edge and csp. 🙄

Individual plans such as the $59.99 plan offers 900 minutes on the new rates.

The $59.99 on family plans offers 500 minutes. Now that of course includes 2 lines, but less minutes.So, it real makes it were you HAVE TO push for the higher minutes to help avoid charge backs.

They are also trying to get more people to go to individual plans. If you see the FT plan for 299.99, you can get more min for the same price if you have the 2 users on the 149.99 individual plans. I find that odd. We spent all this time pushing FT, and now they are doing things like that??? I dont get it 🙄

yeah but honestly how many of those do you do a month?

Only about 3, but still! The point of it I find outrageous.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All this complaining about plans that are rarely sold.

The plans that sell the most have been improved yet no one is willing to see that benefit!

If you did this by a weighed average against plans actually sold it would be:

Most are better
Some are unchanged
Very few are more

Relax people.

Okay didn't Cingular reach the 50 million plateau by having the current plans they have now? So why in the bloody hell would they go and change it up to this crap?! I am pissed off because I have the $49.99 plan and when my contract is up I won't be able to renew it with the same deal! Damn you Cingular!! 👿

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Okay didn't Cingular reach the 50 million plateau by having the current plans they have now? So why in the bloody hell would they go and change it up to this crap?! I am pissed off because I have the $49.99 plan and when my contract is up I won't be able to renew it with the same deal! Damn you Cingular!! 👿

Just stay month to month. If you don't sign a contract you stay on your current plan. If anything this will force people to buy their own phones via Ebay or retail at worst. In the long run you will subsidized the cost of the phone in the monthly savings anyway.. ano problem at all.

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I'm curious as to how those phones end up on ebay in the first place. How does someone come across a brand new, never used cell phone just to turn around and cell it on ebay?

davidg4781 said:
I'm curious as to how those phones end up on ebay in the first place. How does someone come across a brand new, never used cell phone just to turn around and cell it on ebay?

I can order a somewhat discounted phone right now--good example being a Samsung C225 for 40.00, which would probably bring 100-125 on Ebay.

Alternately, they fall off trucks... 🙄

I'm assuming the discounted phone you're going to order is only discounted because you're an employee? I figured some might "fall off trucks," but aren't those flagged as "lost" in the system, which would keep them from being activated?

davidg4781 said:
I'm assuming the discounted phone you're going to order is only discounted because you're an employee? I figured some might "fall off trucks," but aren't those flagged as "lost" in the system, which would keep them from being activated?

No, I'm with TMobile but I don't have an employee account, that's just the price for that phone without full discount (which comes every 11 months) and with a contract extension of one year. It would be 99.99 without the contract. It's actually more expensive to buy phones on the employee plans, but the monthly charges are less, go figure. I just ordered a phone recently for a friend of mine to use as prepaid since it was cheaper for me and only extended my...
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I'm a bit confused. Let's say you ordered that Samsung for $40. This is what I'm assuming, so you can show me where I'm messing up. That $40 is with an additional 1 year extension on your contract, and can only be done when you're 11 months into it.

You ordered one for your friend for $40 let's say 1 month after upgrading your phone, and that just extended you contract an extra two months? Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but how did you get the discounted price before 11 months, and why did it extend it just 2 more months?

Or, did you get a sepereate phone for them? In that case, is the friend's phone in your name?

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I'm a bit confused. Let's say you ordered that Samsung for $40. This is what I'm assuming, so you can show me where I'm messing up. That $40 is with an additional 1 year extension on your contract, and can only be done when you're 11 months into it.

You ordered one for your friend for $40 let's say 1 month after upgrading your phone, and that just extended you contract an extra two months? Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but how did you get the discounted price before 11 months, and why did it extend it just 2 more months?

Or, did you get a sepereate phone for them? In that case, is the friend's phone in your name?

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Oh yeah, and the C225 was bundled with a car charger that works for my E105, so I kept that since my friend doesn't need it. That saved me 15-20 bucks, nice... 😉

Ok here is the deal, I buy a new never open phone of eBay all the time for much less than I could get it from Cingular even if I could get the new customer or up grade price, I bought a Sony z500a brand new in a Cingular box off eBay for $99.00 and a Sony s710a also brand new in a Cingular box for $350.00 as far as if it fell off the back of a truck in New Jersey or not really dont matter much to me and here is why, when the phone gets here I just pop in my sim and I am ready to go. I dont have to call Cingular and tell them anything, and the only way they would ever know that I am not using the phone that I got from them is if I called and told them, the IMEI number on the phone is not sent to them. The only way they would have it, is if I ...
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Wouldn't the IMEI number NOT be activated when it didn't arrive at its final destination? If not, what's keeping someone from stealing my phone and popping in their sim?

NOTHING, phones are not activated, sim's cards are. GSM phones are not like CDMA phons which have an ESN. If you have Verizon and buy a phone from eBay or from anyone, you must call Verizon to have your number changed over to that phone and for them to do that they will need your ESN (Electronic Serial Number) but with GSM phone all you have to do is change you sim from one phone to the other. And yes if someone steals your phone and they dont call Cingular and give them the IMEI number and just put in there sim, then they will be able to use your phone even if you have reported it stolen. like I said the phone does not transmit the IMEI number.

Wow. Well, that's interesting. Will I be able to use all the features without giving the IMEI number? All I can't do is have insurance on the phone, right? That's one thing I was scared of ordering off of ebay, getting the phone, finding out it was stolen and unusable. This opens up new doors for me now.

My buddy Tony, Pauly, Christopher and Silvio always have deals on cell phones. You can buy them right out in front of Satrials (sp) meat shop.

Kingfrog77, you are a broken record. This theory has been offered up and shot down. Your pulpit is crumbling.

Hon, you are grandfathered in.. So you can stay on that plan and renew if you like, it is just if you need more minutes THEN you would be forced to change to one of the "new" plans.

lmao its just the elevator thing acting up. My arm went completley numb and my mom took me to ER. Im typing ome handed yay! Lol they don't know what I did...oh well

You are soooo accident prone. I think for that they should give you off on Memorial day because of your apin and suffering. 😉

Lmao your funny hehe

😁 Whats up darling. CINGULAR has finally brought out my DARKSIDE 😈 I'm getting off of break now but I will be back at lunch to talk about all things CRAPULAR, er I mean CINGULAR 😛

Hiya cutie! I missed you!!!!! Oh by the way you don't hsve a light side...Cingy just made it worse 😈

😈 Where is the customer in this? Is it oroginal to say "well we've got our 50,000,000 screw the rest." Does this company want more than 50,000,000. How many new customers would've joined CINGULAR with a $9.99 add a line as opposed to $14.99. Are you seeing any of this extra profit? No so remove your lips from corporates a$$ and think about the lil guy who your masters screw over BIGTEX 🙄

The customer???????

I don't think that was your point but ok.

Some plans improved, some stayed about the same, and some got worse. Funny how the ones that got better are the majority of what is sold, the ones that stayed fairly similar contribute the second best and the ones that got worse are rarely sold at all.

Quit your whining buddy. I have to look at my bottom line much more than anyone here on the board. If sales suck I don't get anything. I am not worried because I can sell and these plans are not all bad.

Like I always say it is all about ARPU. Cingular is not trying to add anymore customers at 9.99 per line. Verizon continues to have 9.99 secondary lines becuase their costs are different. T-mobile has 9.99 secondary lines because they have no choice but to be cheaper because they have no coverage.

That would be the worst decision Cingular made by having additional lines at $14.99 when everyone else's is $9.99 based on their costs. Business shouldn't, and many good ones don't, base their prices on the costs, but they're based on what the market is demanding.

Here's an example. Let's say I were to take out a large loan to buy a restaurant that sold hamburgers. I also wanted fresh ingredients and enough people on my staff to keep customers happy. Since I have the loan payment, my costs are a lot more than Joe's Hamburgers down the street since he paid cash for his restaurant. Even though we're both buying from the same distributor and the hamburgers are comparable, I would not be able to charge $5.00 more per hamburger just bec...
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That is not true at all, no offense... Because for the longest time VzW's prices were sooooooo much more expensive than ours were and they were still adding lines... You can not say that at all, because if that was the fact their plans would have never sold.

I'm not saying that just because Verizon's prices were higher, everyone would leave them and flock to Cingular. Maybe Verizon offered something Cingular didn't have, such as larger coverage (going by what they say, not looking at maps) or maybe in calling. Their name alone might add value to their product (again, not saying anything to bash Cingular, just giving examples). People, either knowingly or not, use a demand schedule when they go purchase something. Here's an example of a demand schedule for a 32" TV set: (Price on the left, Quantity on the right)
$5.00 --- 100
$25.00 --- 50
$50 ---- 15
$100 ---- 8
$150 ---- 3
$200 ---- 2
$250 ---- 1
$300 ---- 0

Let's say they're going to buy cellular service. They go to Cingular, l...
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Cingular is just trying to genrate more ARPU. I think they are seeing if they can get away with price increases.
If it does not work the prices will be lowered.

come on everyone, look at gas prices! they keep rising and nobody seems to actually change anything. they could go up to three dollars a gallon and we'd still pay it because we WANT to drive our cars. people WANT to use cell phones, so they'll pay the price to do that. if they don't like it, they'll go for cheaper service and smaller coverage.

i agree that a lot of these new rate plans kind of suck, especially since the $49.99 was a good plan in my opinion. but honestly, i'm sure if things don't work out they'll just change them again. i mean, i could still sell these phones back when they changed to new rates back in february.


xoxo

Exactly. People are willing to pay $2.00/gallon of gas. They may be willing to pay $3. At $5, I don't think it'll fly. I have been hearing a lot of people thinking of trading in their SUVs for more effecient cars, which, is a dumb idea, for most of them at least. All they'll save is enough to buy them a BigMac once a week.

Same with the plans. If people are willing to pay $20/additional line, they'll pay it, no problem. If they're not, Cingular may lose customers until they lower the price. The only bad thing with that is that the customer is more than likely gone for 2 years, not just a month or two.

Less competition is going to drive prices higher across the board. People will pay as long as it is comparable to other companies. There are a few outcomes of higer prices on from Cingular one is that people will begin to switch like crazy. Another is that other carries may decide to increase thier rates by a small amount too. Prices are not going to be what they used to be, once 'most' consumers have cell phones, then money is only going to be made off of those same consumers. Here in Canada there are only a few cellular companies to choose from and people still need phones, so you pay the price.

The question is can CINGULAR still turn a tidy profit at $9.99 for add a lines? The question is yes. Has anyone thought about why CINGULAR has (for the time being) 50,000,000 customers? It's because of the once affordable prices, and (to a lesser degree) the network coverage. Cingular can brag about some things, like the coolest phones (even I will admit this) and data coverage but is that a reason for them to get a swoll head and jack up prices hell no. It also gives a bad message to customers like "well we're #1 so F-U we'll increase these prices, get rid of some of our best and affordable plans ($49.99; old data) and if you don't like it screw you." Now I'm rarely one to give a crap about what the customer thinks but damn, how big does yo...
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Well, that data coverage and cool phones come with a cost. I'm not saying that Cingular should base their prices on their costs, but I am saying that that is an added beneft to the consumer, and if they want that, they'll be willing to pay for it. I hate seeing prices go up, but if consumers are willing to pay that price, I have no problem with it. Just like gas prices are going up. I hate it, but, honestly, people are still paying it and it's only costing me maybe $20 extra a month. Sure, it sucks, but that's life.

As long as Cingular has something extra to offer the customer when compared to other carriers, I don't have a problem with them raising their prices. As for me, high speed data transfer and cool phones really don't mea...
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The answer is NO.

They didn't make money last quarter. Even if you factor out one time charges for the merger, they still didn't.

Austin where did you get that from?

jramossteel said:
Austin where did you get that from?

do you have cingular university login jackie?

no... I use learning edge (COR store). But even the new brochures that we have here in the store do not have the $59.99 plan listed the way that you listed it.

hey austin,
just wondering who's correct? and who's not? as far as the new prices?? thanks (i know these are not set in stone but just wondering why the difference between you and Cellboob thanks

by austin
59.99 (2 lines) 850R min 5000nw unl m2m
79.99 (2 lines) 1000R min unl nw m2m
99.99 (2 lines) 2500R min unl nw m2m
149.99 (2 lines) 3500R min unl nw m2m
199.99 (2 lines) 4500R min unl nw m2m
299.99 (2 lines) 6000R min unl nw m2m

*each additional line 14.99*

6/1/05 Nation GSM Pricing

39.99 500R 5000 nw unl m2m
59.99 900R "unl nw unl m2m"
79.99 1350R
99.99 2000R
149.99 4000R
199.99 6000R

**No more Regional Family talks**

6/1/05 Region GSM Plan
Monthly
Access Anytime Minutes A...
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To clarify on my end.

I am not an employee of Cingular or a third-party affiliate of any type.

I did try to sign up for a rate plan, but the initial encounter was not successful ergo I terminated our relationship.

The plans and prices I posted are those that were originally posted here on this site when this issue was first raised.

These are dated back to at least May 13nth or prior and I am not aware of any changes as I am not affiliated with Cingular.

Hope that helps some.

ok great... thanks.. hopefully austins numbers were more current/correct. that will work out for me to wait till next month... DAMN I HATE WAITING !!!

thanks

Not to confuse you, but just in case you overlooked it.

https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »

yea i saw that. 😁 i just wanted to get austins feedback aswell as to his numbers.

to answer this - the section posted by cellboob is correct