Cingular / T-Mobile Roaming
Hello,
I'am buying a new home in the Huntsville, AL area and have no Cingular service at my new house. T-Mobile has sevice but my phone does not appear to roam to their network.
Does Cingular and T-Mobile not have roaming agreements in my area or is it a setting in my phone. (MPX-220)
Regards
I'am buying a new home in the Huntsville, AL area and have no Cingular service at my new house. T-Mobile has sevice but my phone does not appear to roam to their network.
Does Cingular and T-Mobile not have roaming agreements in my area or is it a setting in my phone. (MPX-220)
Regards
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RFEng said:
Hello,
I'am buying a new home in the Huntsville, AL area and have no Cingular service at my new house. T-Mobile has sevice but my phone does not appear to roam to their network.
Does Cingular and T-Mobile not have roaming agreements in my area or is it a setting in my phone. (MPX-220)
Regards
Cingular and t-mobile no longer have a roam agreement.
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Absolutely FALSE.
Once again Austin316, you are wrong.
Cingular and T-Mobile may be reducing their agreements is some areas, but to say they no longer have these agreements, come on.
I roam on T-Mobile quite often here in West Texas. Cingular only has towers in the cities whereas they use roaming partners with T-Mobile, Plateau, Caprock, Western Wireless, Dobson, etc. to cover the rural areas.
Now, to the original poster. While you may have T-Mobile coverage there, unless Cingular is the licensed provider in your area TECHNICALLY they don't want you on their service. Occasional roaming is ok, but someone who is off-network constantly is not in their plans. Does the area you need show on a Cingular coverage map that it is supp...
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Once again Austin316, you are wrong.
Cingular and T-Mobile may be reducing their agreements is some areas, but to say they no longer have these agreements, come on.
I roam on T-Mobile quite often here in West Texas. Cingular only has towers in the cities whereas they use roaming partners with T-Mobile, Plateau, Caprock, Western Wireless, Dobson, etc. to cover the rural areas.
Now, to the original poster. While you may have T-Mobile coverage there, unless Cingular is the licensed provider in your area TECHNICALLY they don't want you on their service. Occasional roaming is ok, but someone who is off-network constantly is not in their plans. Does the area you need show on a Cingular coverage map that it is supp...
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Once again , as a indirect dealer you don'rt get the whole info, Cingular and T-mobile have decided to unwind the roaming agreement, the reason for that is that t-mobile is buying some local regional markets, and with the increased network capacity from the attws buyout itis not needed anymore.
Ther roaming agrement cingular had with T-Mobile was for the 850 Mhz, and now with the increased share of the 1900 Mhz, they are foucing on that range,thats why the new phones have ENS capoablility to use the 1900 Mhz that cingular had, in additon to the 1900 Mhz it picked up from ATTWS.
Texas wireless, as a indirect dealer, not someone who deals with them on the front lines in all areas you would not know thisd, i howeer like other customer ser...
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Ther roaming agrement cingular had with T-Mobile was for the 850 Mhz, and now with the increased share of the 1900 Mhz, they are foucing on that range,thats why the new phones have ENS capoablility to use the 1900 Mhz that cingular had, in additon to the 1900 Mhz it picked up from ATTWS.
Texas wireless, as a indirect dealer, not someone who deals with them on the front lines in all areas you would not know thisd, i howeer like other customer ser...
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The unwinding of the agreements is for the CA and NY market joint ownership you fool.
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texaswireless said:
The unwinding of the agreements is for the CA and NY market joint ownership you fool.
The roaming agreements is being done in all markets, they had to do it in NY and CA,based on pending approval of the ATTWS buyout.
T-mobile is primarily 850 Mhz services.Cingular is going into the 1900 Mhz, thats why they have been picking up through buyouts of smaller areas the 1900 MHZ, and ATTWs had primarily 1900 MHZ.
They want to have it all 1900 Mhz to help along with UMTS rollout.As i said you are a local reional dealer when it directs affects small market people you will be informed, till then shut and let the national service reps who handle multiple markets deal with it, since you don't n...
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Get it straight, will you? TMobile is exclusively 1900Mhz band, with an experimental set of agreeements to test 850Mhz roaming. 🙄
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Thanks for proving my point. This guy generally has no idea what he is saying.
The misinformation just flows from his mouth.
The misinformation just flows from his mouth.
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. . . and wasn't it prompted by the fact that a single carrier can't own the majority of the spectrum in both the 850 and 1900 bands in any given market? T-Mobile and Cingular shared ownership of a jointly-built, jointly-operated network in CA and NY, and the main B carrier in those markets (as required by the FCC) was AT&T. When Cingular bought AT&T, there was no longer a B carrier as required by the FCC, so they had to sell their joint holding with T-Mobile and go into 'competition' with them in those markets. I could be wrong on some of the technicalities involved, but this is my understanding of the whole issue . . .
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A little wrong, but you have the overall jist of it right.
Verizon is predominantly the B side cellular carrier in CA. AT&T was mainly A side cellular with some 1900 Mhz PCS.
As part of the divestiture requirements Cingular had to dump their holdings in NY and CA where they also bought/owned AT&T spectrum.
The comments about wanting one frequency over another for broadband rollout is unknown to me, but logically it doesn't make sense either.
Verizon is predominantly the B side cellular carrier in CA. AT&T was mainly A side cellular with some 1900 Mhz PCS.
As part of the divestiture requirements Cingular had to dump their holdings in NY and CA where they also bought/owned AT&T spectrum.
The comments about wanting one frequency over another for broadband rollout is unknown to me, but logically it doesn't make sense either.
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Here's a question for you - why would Cingular have a roaming agreement with T-Mobile on the 850 band? Until VERY recently T-Mobile has not used that band at all. Their phones did not generally support it, and they did not own bandwidth in that frequency range. Maybe I'm misreading your post, or maybe it was a typo, but Cingular customer cannot roam onto T-Mobile's 850 towers, because they're not there!
Also, the fact that Texaswireless is an agent doesn't 'magically' negate his argument. Deal with his facts - don't demean his status. Btw, if you've read his other posts, you'll recall that he is the OWNER of his store(s). If we were going to dwell on status here rather than facts, he beats you - you're a CSR, he's the owner of a chai...
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Also, the fact that Texaswireless is an agent doesn't 'magically' negate his argument. Deal with his facts - don't demean his status. Btw, if you've read his other posts, you'll recall that he is the OWNER of his store(s). If we were going to dwell on status here rather than facts, he beats you - you're a CSR, he's the owner of a chai...
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dude, if i need to know the temp in dallas i'd ask him, the fact is that stores ,whether direct or indirect ARE regionalized, that means they are told about their little piece of their area.sp let's stick to the facts.
T-mobile is buying local network that are on 850Mhz, and cingular is selling them their stake in certain markets on the 850 Mhz, as they are picking up the 1900 Mhz(cingular) between what they owned, bought and got from ATTWS, they are building stronger network.
T-mobile is buying local network that are on 850Mhz, and cingular is selling them their stake in certain markets on the 850 Mhz, as they are picking up the 1900 Mhz(cingular) between what they owned, bought and got from ATTWS, they are building stronger network.
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You are so incredibly wrong. T-Mobile bought out the 1900 MHz they co-owned in CA and NY. Cingular is/will use the 850MHz they purchased in the ATTWS deal in both CA and NY.
And the roaming agreements for other markets have nothing to do with the unwinding of the joint agreement.
The only joint that matters here is the one you are smoking to come up with these incredibly false statements.
And the roaming agreements for other markets have nothing to do with the unwinding of the joint agreement.
The only joint that matters here is the one you are smoking to come up with these incredibly false statements.
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T-Mobile is NOT buying regional carriers! The CEO of T-Mobile has made it very clear in various press releases that they are not interested currently in mergers or acquiring other companies.
They are on the other hand setting up extensive roaming agreements with other carriers, particularly smaller regional ones like Western Wireless and Dobson to use their 850 holdings, and are starting to release more 850-capable phones.
Also, my understanding of the situation is that it was just the opposite of what you are saying. I was under the impression that Cingular sold T-Mobile 10 mhz of spectrum in the CA and NY markets, but it makes no sense for it to be in the 850 band. T-Mobile customers couldn't use it in that case because the vast m...
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They are on the other hand setting up extensive roaming agreements with other carriers, particularly smaller regional ones like Western Wireless and Dobson to use their 850 holdings, and are starting to release more 850-capable phones.
Also, my understanding of the situation is that it was just the opposite of what you are saying. I was under the impression that Cingular sold T-Mobile 10 mhz of spectrum in the CA and NY markets, but it makes no sense for it to be in the 850 band. T-Mobile customers couldn't use it in that case because the vast m...
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You give them eyes, yet they do not see, you give them brains,yet they do not think.
Our info comes DIRECT from CINGULAR, on a DAILY BASIS.
They are going 850 Mhz,(TMO) which is what smaller carriers have, Cingular picked up a ****load of 1900 Mhz, from ATTWS, when attws luanched gsm it was 850Mhz, and slowly over the last 3 years converted to 1900 Mhz in most of their areas,and when the cingular bought the attws they got that 1900 Mhz spectrum, cingular mostly had the 850, bought wants to go mostly 1900, so they unwound theur shred agreements, and sold theur 850 Mhz in CA and NY, while they (cingy)also took the 1900 mhz, and are selling the ENS capable phones that will pick uyp the 850 mhz that cingy has,plus blue 1900 and scattere...
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Our info comes DIRECT from CINGULAR, on a DAILY BASIS.
They are going 850 Mhz,(TMO) which is what smaller carriers have, Cingular picked up a ****load of 1900 Mhz, from ATTWS, when attws luanched gsm it was 850Mhz, and slowly over the last 3 years converted to 1900 Mhz in most of their areas,and when the cingular bought the attws they got that 1900 Mhz spectrum, cingular mostly had the 850, bought wants to go mostly 1900, so they unwound theur shred agreements, and sold theur 850 Mhz in CA and NY, while they (cingy)also took the 1900 mhz, and are selling the ENS capable phones that will pick uyp the 850 mhz that cingy has,plus blue 1900 and scattere...
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When did that roaming agreement dissolve? The reason that I ask is that when I travel to North Carolina my Sidekick will always roam on Cingular's network.
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This was just decided officily within last week or two, they generaly give a period of phase out, till it gone completely, the same way, it was phased between ATTWS and all the other carriers.it took from october 2004 till jan,2005 to be phased out on blue, so probalby round same amount of time.
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Dude, Austin316 is incorrect. What he speaks of is the unwinding of the Cingular joint venture with T-Mobile in the CA and NY markets. This has NOTHING to do with the roaming agreements. While they may be reducing some of their agreements, they have not been eliminated.
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Well, the whole town of Huntsville is covered by both ATTWS towers and Cingular towers.....let alone you should be able to roam on Tmobile towers.
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The way it works for TMo, anyway, and I assume Cingular is pretty similar, is that the SIM cards are updated with preferred carrier lists that tell them whether or not they're allowed to use a given carrier in a certain area. Just because a TMo customer will roam on Cingular in South Carolina or Ohio doesn't mean they can use Cingular towers in a different area--and it's controlled by the list on the SIM. When the phone tries to grab a network it doesn't have access to in an area, you'll get an error message of "emergency calls only" or something like that...
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Cingular used to be this way but my understanding from the Cingular network team is than ENS allows phones to seek the best signal, rather than the cheapest signal.
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Aleq said:
The way it works for TMo, anyway, and I assume Cingular is pretty similar, is that the SIM cards are updated with preferred carrier lists that tell them whether or not they're allowed to use a given carrier in a certain area. Just because a TMo customer will roam on Cingular in South Carolina or Ohio doesn't mean they can use Cingular towers in a different area--and it's controlled by the list on the SIM. When the phone tries to grab a network it doesn't have access to in an area, you'll get an error message of "emergency calls only" or something like that...
Especially in areas where T-Mobile is shown to have coverage, even if it's poor. If it's an area where T-Mobile has towers, then we want...
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