UMTS / WCDMA???
When will Cingular offer 3G services/phones? As the #1 service provider Cingular is a bit behind. Even Sprint has 3G phones. What's going on? Im in Fl. Has anyone heard anything?
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a good amouont of the phone are 3G compatible... but the reason the rollout for 3g is taking a little longer is becasue of the merger some th6ings are taking a little longer to do, plus they are maing sure they have a successful complete rollout
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No current Cingular phones will support the new 3G network.
The new 3G phones - when they come out - will support the current GSM network, but not the other way around.
The new 3G phones - when they come out - will support the current GSM network, but not the other way around.
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Cingular already has umts service, but is only currently offering it in 8 test markets.
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It is six test markets, not eight. In all actuality, those were AT&T test markets and Cingular hasn't done much with them seeing as they have their own HSDPA test market in Atlanta. Cingular doesn't offer any 3G handsets, other than the Nokia and Moto that are still offered on AT&T plans.
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Anxiovert said:
When will Cingular offer 3G services/phones? As the #1 service provider Cingular is a bit behind. Even Sprint has 3G phones. What's going on? Im in Fl. Has anyone heard anything?
Sprint is not 3g. they use CDMA big difference then WCDMA(UMTS) they have some faster data not but they are not 3g.
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EV-DO isn't "3G"? Uhh..yeah, sprint has 3G, it may not be wide spread yet, but they do have it.
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Cingular uses EDGE data speeds which in GSM would be close to 3G. I get as fast data speeds on my Treo 650 as Sprint has on their Treo 650s.
UMTS is faster than the exisiting Sprint 3G and we are planning on launching it to move to HSDPA due to the fact we are the only carrier with enough spectrum currently to implement such a network. We will have lower latency and faster speeds when completed and will be quite a bit ahead. They originally showed it to be a 2 year launch from day 1 of the merger which was November 15, 2004.
Patience.
UMTS is faster than the exisiting Sprint 3G and we are planning on launching it to move to HSDPA due to the fact we are the only carrier with enough spectrum currently to implement such a network. We will have lower latency and faster speeds when completed and will be quite a bit ahead. They originally showed it to be a 2 year launch from day 1 of the merger which was November 15, 2004.
Patience.
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you have to rememer sometime to deploy something great does take a bit oftime where sprint and verizon have slowly deploying there networks in smaller amount of area cingular will be deploying a much better netowkr in larger area so once this happens itll be understood what took so lkong
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EDGE is not 3G. EDGE is not much faster than the 1xRTT that Sprint has currently (which I don't consider 3G, either.)
Sprint's Treo 650 is 1xRTT, and Cingular's is EDGE, so yes, I would expect speeds to be comparable.
But Sprint has launched EV-DO just recently in some markets. No phones yet, but the network is live for data cards. It's easily 10 times faster than EDGE.
Cingular is planning to launch UMTS, and will launch HSDPA at the same time - not a separate upgrade. It will basically put Cingular on par with Sprint and Verizon.
There are all kinds of wild reports about HSDPA theoretical speeds, but the initial devices will only support 1.8 mbps peak rates, which is technically slower than EV-DO. But of course who knows what < ...
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Sprint's Treo 650 is 1xRTT, and Cingular's is EDGE, so yes, I would expect speeds to be comparable.
But Sprint has launched EV-DO just recently in some markets. No phones yet, but the network is live for data cards. It's easily 10 times faster than EDGE.
Cingular is planning to launch UMTS, and will launch HSDPA at the same time - not a separate upgrade. It will basically put Cingular on par with Sprint and Verizon.
There are all kinds of wild reports about HSDPA theoretical speeds, but the initial devices will only support 1.8 mbps peak rates, which is technically slower than EV-DO. But of course who knows what < ...
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Rathrok said:
EV-DO isn't "3G"? Uhh..yeah, sprint has 3G, it may not be wide spread yet, but they do have it.
Thank you! okey?
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UMTS AND WCDMA are both 3G networks, the majority of companies are slowly rolling out 3G networks
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Of course UMTS and WCDMA are both 3G networks. They are two different namems for the same technology. 😉
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phoneexpert12345 said:
cingular is the best, they'll have 3G first
Do you even know what 3G is?
First? mmm let's see. VZW has 3G already. And Sprint too
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Okay, I'll correct...Cingular will launch the first nationwide 3g service, what good is one city across the country having 3g doing for me?? MMM...lets see would you rather have GSM-Cingular, or unreliable CDMA-VZW??
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Hmmm....I wonder why VZW and Sprint have been able to rollout 3G quicker than the GSM company....Maybe because THEY ARE STILL USING THE SAME TECHOLOGY THEY WERE BACK IN 1998 WHEN I FIRST SIGNED UP WITH VZW!!!! They haven't done any upgrades to their systems really...yeah, I know...your all going to say, well, what about CDMA2000??? It's a freakin software update, that's why!!!! While cingular has taken the time to put up all new towers to move to the global standard...VZW has the same old cdma, with a few software upgrades...so yeah, they've rolled out their version of 3G sooner....but we've already rolled out GSM, and are well on the way too 3G...so chew on that. Sheesh. Too many verizon fanboys.....
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Cingular is indeed behind the pack when it comes to 3G, as of today, now tomorrow might change that, but having what is actually launched and what's planned, based on news releases...VZW was first, Sprint is second, and there is no third place contender at this point...no news that Cingular has released since January.
What carrier is better depends on your likes and dislikes, but that's what it boils down to as of this posting.
What carrier is better depends on your likes and dislikes, but that's what it boils down to as of this posting.
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Actually to correct you, ATTWS was the first carrier ever to launch true 3G as they did roll out 3G UMTS/WCDMA in 2004, it is currently on hold with Cingular though, as the need to build out a larger amount of coverage exists before a full media oriented commercial launch will be announced.
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What Verizon and sprint are rolling out is NOT TRUE 3G. CDMA is not UMTS or WCDMA.
http://www.umts-forum.org/servlet/dycon/ztumts/umts/ ... »
http://www.gsmworld.com/index.shtml »
http://www.umts-forum.org/servlet/dycon/ztumts/umts/ ... »
http://www.umts-forum.org/servlet/dycon/ztumts/umts/ ... »
http://www.gsmworld.com/index.shtml »
http://www.umts-forum.org/servlet/dycon/ztumts/umts/ ... »
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BlueHFX said:
What Verizon and sprint are rolling out is NOT TRUE 3G. CDMA is not UMTS or WCDMA.
http://www.umts-forum.org/servlet/dycon/ztumts/umts/ ... »
http://www.gsmworld.com/index.shtml »
http://www.umts-forum.org/servlet/dycon/ztumts/umts/ ... »
WTF??? EV-DO not 3G???
WTF is this then?
https://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=151 »
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EV-DO is absolutely true 3G.
There was plenty of debate about whether 1xRTT was "3G" when that came out, but there is no debate about EV-DO - it's 3G.
3G is about fast packet data. Plain ol' WCDMA/UMTS like they have in Europe (which is definitely 3G) can only do about 384 kbps. EV-DO can do 2,400 kbps. That's quite a bit faster.
There was plenty of debate about whether 1xRTT was "3G" when that came out, but there is no debate about EV-DO - it's 3G.
3G is about fast packet data. Plain ol' WCDMA/UMTS like they have in Europe (which is definitely 3G) can only do about 384 kbps. EV-DO can do 2,400 kbps. That's quite a bit faster.
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Rich Brome said:
EV-DO is absolutely true 3G.
There was plenty of debate about whether 1xRTT was "3G" when that came out, but there is no debate about EV-DO - it's 3G.
3G is about fast packet data. Plain ol' WCDMA/UMTS like they have in Europe (which is definitely 3G) can only do about 384 kbps. EV-DO can do 2,400 kbps. That's quite a bit faster.
And to add to this: (correct me if I am wrong, Rich) The reason Cingular is lagging behind in the 3G Race is because they have decided to bypass UMTS/WCDMA and go straight to HSDPA to better compete with the speeds of EVDO.
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Thank You, marcus. I thought you quit frequenting the phonescoop forums. I have not heard from you in a while. How have you been?
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I quit for a minute because people have been complaining to much. I have been good just got my .45 cents per hour union increase. Cingular is scared to launch any products or services unless they are on par with the competition. Cingular used to launch things without a lot of testing and the results were less than stellar. Rollover mintues were a hot mess for years due to lack of testing.
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simplymarcus said:
I quit for a minute because people have been complaining to much. I have been good just got my .45 cents per hour union increase. Cingular is scared to launch any products or services unless they are on par with the competition. Cingular used to launch things without a lot of testing and the results were less than stellar. Rollover mintues were a hot mess for years due to lack of testing.
Raises are always good. More money for doing the same thing....great. 😉
If Cingular continues to be this scared to try new things, they will always be following another company, which will get them back to #2 alot faster than they would like it to happen.
Just my $0.02
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I understand what you are trying to say but that isn't fully correct. You can't simply "bypass UMTS/WCDMA" and go striaght to HSDPA because HSDPA isn't a technology. They will still have to upgrade their entire network with UMTS technology and upgrade the software to HSDPA at the same time. In essence they are releasing UMTS and HSDPA both, but at the exact same time.
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That's part of it, yes.
There are other factors.
No one had the spectrum to roll out WCDMA nationwide until the merger. Then, after the merger, WCDMA was already live in Europe, and proving to be somewhat of a disappointment.
So Cingular was also delayed in starting a 3G rollout due to:
1. Not having spectrum initially.
2. Then, benefiting from the experience of European carriers, which taught them it might be smarter to wait for the next version (HSDPA).
Given those factors, they've moved very quickly. They're still expected to be one of the first with HSDPA in the world.
But yes, not matter what, they had to wait for GSM/WCDMA technology to catch up before they could offer something competitive with EV-DO.
There are other factors.
No one had the spectrum to roll out WCDMA nationwide until the merger. Then, after the merger, WCDMA was already live in Europe, and proving to be somewhat of a disappointment.
So Cingular was also delayed in starting a 3G rollout due to:
1. Not having spectrum initially.
2. Then, benefiting from the experience of European carriers, which taught them it might be smarter to wait for the next version (HSDPA).
Given those factors, they've moved very quickly. They're still expected to be one of the first with HSDPA in the world.
But yes, not matter what, they had to wait for GSM/WCDMA technology to catch up before they could offer something competitive with EV-DO.
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- Currently in 6 test markets.
- going to stay that way for a while becasue its not exactly top priority with the network's finally starting to merge together as one. (care/telegence and seibel/axys)
- Test markets are going to move up form 6 to appx 20 in select markets across the USA in the form of UMTS. I wouldnt expect this untill they are nearing completion with trying to merge all the towers together, more specifically the 3g's.
- having a 2.5g (gsm) network that is truely uniform will aid in the next step over to true 3g... im only guessing here, because it stands to reason that they woudlnt attempt a upgrade to full 3g with out several successful test markets and a full network ready to be upgraded in a timely and cost efficient ...
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- going to stay that way for a while becasue its not exactly top priority with the network's finally starting to merge together as one. (care/telegence and seibel/axys)
- Test markets are going to move up form 6 to appx 20 in select markets across the USA in the form of UMTS. I wouldnt expect this untill they are nearing completion with trying to merge all the towers together, more specifically the 3g's.
- having a 2.5g (gsm) network that is truely uniform will aid in the next step over to true 3g... im only guessing here, because it stands to reason that they woudlnt attempt a upgrade to full 3g with out several successful test markets and a full network ready to be upgraded in a timely and cost efficient ...
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