You can't be serious about not knowing how people will "feel" And what "varied" opinion do you expect to hear?

"Oh I don't mind it"

Please. People who did not think it was fair quit or will. People who can handle it will stay.

What is your point?

33% of all att employees have quit voluntarily since the aquisition. As I sit at work right now my other 2 co-workers are at career search. com. We are now in the process of hiring 2 people to replace the other two people that have quit and gone to verizon. It makes it really hard to do your job when the company that you work for continually comes in last place on every survrey from how there employees feel about them, to call quality, to costumer care. Im trying to feel better about my company not knock them. Im really not trying to make people mad

I really think there are much better questions to ask that won't make people mad. But when you ask about money being deliberately taken out of people's pockets, you will definately piss most off.

You must not have worked for ATT. If you would have you would feel differently

zoomzoom said:
You must not have worked for ATT. If you would have you would feel differently

They must have fed you guys at AT&T some really good crack when you were working for them. I know that, with me, it wouldn't matter what company I was working for, if you talked to me about a pay cut, I would be pissed off beyond belief.

Thats what im saying we are actually going to take a 7 to 10000 dollar a year pay cut. Its absolutely insane

zoomzoom said:
Thats what im saying we are actually going to take a 7 to 10000 dollar a year pay cut. Its absolutely insane

Ok, and now we are back to the original post. You post this in a public forum and expect a reaction from people other than being pissed???? Get off of the pipe..... 😈

Your names not Robert is it

zoomzoom said:
Your names not Robert is it

No, it's not....but I do know a Robert, why do you ask?

your call sign is the last name of a vice president for cingular from the carolinas

Nope, that isn't the Robert that I know. I am from Pennsylvania.

I know a Robby Stout? Maybe it's him? Or maybe Robbie Parker? Or Rob Jones? Rob Smith? Rob Doe? Rob Mob the Snob? I know lots of Roberts! And I'm willing to bet, chances are very good that one of the other cell nerds on here could be the ones I know!!

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What is your problem defending CINGULAR. He is not making cingulr reps mad. He is speaking truth.

You sound like upper management or a bottom feeder who would backstab your best friend.

CINGULAR is out of control and nothing is wrong with letting everybody know this.

This is why cingular cannot get good report cards. Unhappy employees = unhappy representatives.

cnglrmgr said:
What is your problem defending CINGULAR. He is not making cingulr reps mad. He is speaking truth.

You sound like upper management or a bottom feeder who would backstab your best friend.

CINGULAR is out of control and nothing is wrong with letting everybody know this.

This is why cingular cannot get good report cards. Unhappy employees = unhappy representatives.

I don't work in the wireless industry at all, moron.

If you are so damn unhappy with Cingular, why the hell don't you further yourself by going to work for another carrier? Oh, wait, you must not be good enough for another carrier. So shut your mouth.

He cannot piss us off when he is speaking the truth. Sounds like you work for CINGULAR & you are upper management.

If that is the case, I am happy for you that you are not being affected.

CINGULAR is really doing a bad # for employees overall.

cnglrmgr said:
He cannot piss us off when he is speaking the truth. Sounds like you work for CINGULAR & you are upper management.

If that is the case, I am happy for you that you are not being affected.

CINGULAR is really doing a bad # for employees overall.

I don't work for wireless at all....idiot....

I understand what you say. It's the truth. You are not making me mad. You are being honest.

I am a manager & I just cannot believe how cingular is treating us. Especially regular reps. Wages are an insult.

cnglrmgr said:
I understand what you say. It's the truth. You are not making me mad. You are being honest.

I am a manager & I just cannot believe how cingular is treating us. Especially regular reps. Wages are an insult.

Then get a new job. You have got to be the most disgruntled employee I have ever seen. And yet you still stay there. Must be something keeping you there.

Hey SForsyth01,

In other posts I see you slamming everything people have to say, and I just came across one where you replied to someone: "I'm not in wireless at all....idiot."

1. Why are you spending so much of your time in a wireless forum? Loser.

2. You couldnt possibly understand whats happening to us if your not an employee....especially a Blue one.

People are staying bc of time with the company, in hopes the pay will get better. It is a Fortune 500 company and the record setter for the largest merger of its kind in history. We get amazing benefits and work for a company with a great name. We're hanging on....call it loyalty, but if you dont understand it then get out of this forum. Idiot.

BluetoOrange22 said:
Hey SForsyth01,

In other posts I see you slamming everything people have to say, and I just came across one where you replied to someone: "I'm not in wireless at all....idiot."

1. Why are you spending so much of your time in a wireless forum? Loser.

2. You couldnt possibly understand whats happening to us if your not an employee....especially a Blue one.

People are staying bc of time with the company, in hopes the pay will get better. It is a Fortune 500 company and the record setter for the largest merger of its kind in history. We get amazing benefits and work for a company with a great name. We're hanging on....call it loyalty, but if you dont understand it then get out of this foru

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There are still a few of us oldies around, we just don't post as much anymore because we're as frustrated as you are. You're one of the best consumers I've heard on here and other customers would lose out by not hearing your unbiased opinion. Sometimes there's an honest person with an honest question on here that I can help answer.

Basically when you argue vehemently over a subject, i.e. Verizon vs Cingular coverage, without using too much logic and or reason, or at least not recognizing someone elses use of logic and or reason.

Managers are getting hit just as hard: $7000 to $10000 to $15000 less annually (in Sales at least)

Managers in call center getting hit hard. 👿

Wow, sorry to hear. Unbelievable. I started in a call center, so I'm assuming it must be the bonuses on all call stats and EBIT. Geez.

I'm sure a lot of cs's are doing that but i for one couldn't. even though I'm getting paid less i could never bring myself to deceive another person. believe me, i get pissed at myself all the time for having a conscience!!!lol

That is good to know. But then again, you must remember, CINGULAR is not taking care of you. You will take care of the customer through phantom churn and explain its benefits. 😎

I agree with you. American people will worry about what is happening now 1st than what will happen later.

Many of us are looking for other jobs now.

SForsyth01 said:

cnglrmgr said:
Paycuts for BLUE employees has already happened.

As you can imagine, costs of living is going up while raises are an insult.

We are being demanded more & more every time with more multi-tasking, more work, more stress & no $$.

Average raise for employees in my call center was 2.5%. That was a big *pluck* you & have a nice day.

Cingular is paying ****ty wages to the 3rd party vendors. Regular blue employees are being made more & more uncomfortable every day that passes by. I am a manager & I cannot believe what CINGULAR is doing.

New representatives coming in are being hired at about $4.00 less than what it was 4 yrs ago to start.

This is just the b

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cnglrmgr said:

SForsyth01 said:

cnglrmgr said:
Paycuts for BLUE employees has already happened.

As you can imagine, costs of living is going up while raises are an insult.

We are being demanded more & more every time with more multi-tasking, more work, more stress & no $$.

Average raise for employees in my call center was 2.5%. That was a big *pluck* you & have a nice day.

Cingular is paying ****ty wages to the 3rd party vendors. Regular blue employees are being made more & more uncomfortable every day that passes by. I am a manager & I cannot believe what CINGULAR is doing.

New representatives coming in are being hired at about $4.00 less than what it was 4 yrs

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I am not trying to encourage anybody in my own time. My attitude at work is great. I believe my attitude in this forum is honesty. Like they say, TRUTH HURTS!

Truth is truth guy!

cnglrmgr said:

Truth is truth guy!

I completely agree with that statement, but if you are as dedicated to your job and making your Company better as you say you are, then you should want to exhibit that dedication to prospective customers in order to attract them. Find the bright spot in all the gloom. That is what a truly dedicated employee does. And especially a truly dedicated manager.

Your attitude shows that you are the exact opposite of what you claim to be.

Dont worry "cnglrmgr", SForsyth01 is just a jackass. He's tearing apart everything everybody says, yets he's already admitted that he's not even in the industry. Just a loser with too much time on his hands.

And maybe a company that screws its own employees doesn't deserve to attract new customers. I, for one, do actually base many of my buying decisions on the policies of the company involved and I definitely want to know how employees feel about working for their company. If they'll screw their own people, they'll screw the customer, and even if it doesn't get that far I think as a person of conscience it behooves me to support my fellow wage slaves by not enriching those who grind them down. What goes around, comes around, and better employee relations is a win/win for everyone involved.

I think it's appalling what Cingular is doing, and without a kiss or KY at that. It's going to come back on them, and I'll be cheering when it does. "...
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As I said in another branch of this thread, I think it's fair that they're getting a paycut. Orange employees should make the same as Blue employees. It does suck, but there's a very good chance they were being paid too much to begin with. Why should an average sales rep make more than $30,000? Why should an excellent sales rep make more than $40,000?

Average profit per unit sold is between $100 - $150. Good reps can bump that up to around $200. If you sell 100 phones a month you've made your company 20,000. If you expect to bring home $4,000 a month from that then you're nuts. That's 20% of your revenue, and a sales rep usually isn't worth that much. If someone feels that they should make more than that, they should go for a m...
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I'm more concerned about the call center reps, overall--whereas it might be the case that the Blue reps were overpaid, it also seems to be the case that the Orange reps are underpaid, and if you're going to bring one side down some you should also bring the other side up. Sales reps have more options about employement--there are stores for every carrier in every major town, but call centers are few and far between and CSRs are more of a captive workforce and subject to more pressure. It's not a nice situation...

I'm 100% with you on that. Call center reps who have been there a long time and have good stats should make more. They're earning it.

do Verizon reps make much more?

They might, and I wouldn't be surprised if they did. That's a different company though, so if they make more then good for them. ATTWS reps became Cingular reps, so they should make the same as other Cingular reps. There's no question it sucks, but it's fair.

I agree.

It's bad enough that cingular is making all attws employees follow t's & c's of cingular but not pay us the $$

It seems to me that the blue reps were paid far too much for their job description than was deserved... Hence the financial problems that led to AT&T being put up for auction...
I am an orange manager, so maybe my view is different, but I still stick to my opinion. On the other hand, I can understand it's not fun to have a huge pay cut like that...

All businesses are looking for a way to cut costs to keep expenses down. Unfortunately, employee wages and labor percentages are the first areas that get cut. Wages, bonuses, benefits are definitely the easiest place to cut. I have worked a few places that have done the same thing. The best thing for the Upper Management to do is make sure that they are communicating the changes before they implement them. Employees are much happier when they can get involved in the process, because it impacts them first (duh!). 🤣
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All of you have great points. Since we are all in fact Cingular employees now, and follow all policies & procedures, why not have the same pay? I definitely understand. And after reflecting about how AT&T paid, it may possibly have been too much for that type of job. However, we were happy, given the amount of abuse folks like ourselves take every single day (regardless of the company we work for). We could go home with fat paychecks at the end of the month and not worry about the stress we were under. We went with the changes in P&Ps and didnt let it really truly phase us, bc we were still making great money. At the same pace now, one that made $60K+ then may be at $40-$45K now. Thats way too much of a hit.

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