correct, and sprint.

rev o is being deployed as we speak by sprint and verizon, rev a will probably be on the networks by late 06 early 07.

here is a website about comparing between ev-do and umts its quite interesting.

http://www.airvananet.com/technology/technology_hsdp ... »

http://www.airvananet.com/technology/technology_evdo ... »

http://www.airvananet.com/technology/technology_evdo ... »


very interesting stuff.. (well all of it but the comparison is quite interesting)

copy and paste some things you like and we can have a debate.

odd. the web site supports cdma over gsm. i'm sure there's no bias 🙄

it supports both but they are just saying the comparisons.

pretty much, cingular will offer 3.6m by years end

shut up springaf!! you don't know squat!! J/K
-Spring sunset (st george)

You mean 3.6mbps download? not a hope they will have hsdpa up by years end. They don't even have UMTS launched. They may have it by end of 2006

👿 where did u get ur info from its launched in 6 major markets and will be out by years end, along with hsdpa and its up-grades. u must be one of the hard of hearing verizon fans. if u knew anything u would would no that cingular has to get it done by the start of 2006 due to the deal that at&t had with ntt do co mo. 😛 ur a poor excuse for a debater have a nice day pimpin.

AWS launched UMTS but i have not seen any phones by Cingular that has it. And no i'm not a verizon fan i don't even live in the US. I used to work for Cingular in fact. If you want to debate then don't call names you just look ignorant. Instead show me a current launched UMTS phone by cingular that they currently offer.

Not a hope that they'll have HSDPA out by year's end? They are launching the HSDPA upgrade in tandem with their UMTS deployment. That means HSDPA will be in about 30 markets by Christmas. Even more in the following months.

actually they will have 15 markets being rolled out with HSDPA by the end of this year.

RUFF1415 said:
All plans for EV-DV have been dropped by Qualcomm, therefore it no longer is an option for any wireless company.

Where did you hear this?

I shouldn't say it has been dropped altogether, but rather development has been suspended. The reason being that EV-DO rev. A is faster than EV-DV and it retains backward compatability with EV-DO rev. O and what not. The point is, EV-DV has no viable future and won't be accepted by copmanies in the future.

https://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=1124 »

didnt you post a while ago that you werent going to post again? just curious.. anyway, how could you not know that ev-dv was scrapped?

nextel18 said:
didnt you post a while ago that you werent going to post again? just curious.. anyway, how could you not know that ev-dv was scrapped?

First off, is a personal attack the proper way to answer an honest question? I don't think it is.

I didn't know because I misunderstood a huge piece of the puzzle:

I was under the impression that Rev A was EVDV. I have since been informed correctly by someone who doesn't feel the need to ridicule everything someone says.

Thank you.

it was just a question. i remember you said your not going to post again, yet you do. (just asking and curious thats all)

rev a isnt ev-dv. rev a is an upgrade from ev-do REV O. REV A has been enhanced, thanks to my qualcomm, with voip and that is why ev-dv isnt needed.

nextel18 said:
thanks to my qualcomm

Anyone else find this laughable? 🤣 🙄 🤣 🙄

SForsyth01 said:

nextel18 said:
thanks to my qualcomm

Anyone else find this laughable? 🤣 🙄 🤣 🙄

Much like everything else he says.

And you wonder why people say you are immature.

None of the other stuff was neccessary.

You just continue to add fuel to the fire.

i mentioned about ev-do... how is that not neccessary? lol... the header says UMTS VS EV-DO.

And the personal jabs?

I thought (as you contend) that you are above that type of bickering.

it was just a question to him it wasnt a personal jab... lol speaking of personal jabs you and others on here have been doing personal upercuts to me.

anyway, it was a question not a jab.

I enjoy taking personal jabs at you when appropriate and when you make an ass out of yourself. I have not taken those at this time, I was simply pointing out to you the high school behavior in which you were engaged.

And if you really think it was just a "question" you need professional help. You knew exactly what you were doing.

lol thanks for admitting that you do personal jabs at me... lol.. what a hypocrite.. you tell me i cant but you do and can when its "appropriate" ? hahahahah....

high school behavior= personal jab. lol....

need professional help= personal jab. lol.

it was a question my friend, nothing more.

lol....


haahahhaah.

tx.. stop being a hypocrite. 🙂

I never said you can't. Perhaps you need a reading lesson. What I pointed out was your (to use a word with which you are so familiar) pathetic attempt to say you are above the fray when you actually stick your nose right in and quite often cause the issues.

A hypocrite is someone who says one thing and does another. Please try to point out my inconsitacies. You will have trouble finding them. I srated out saying I enjoy ripping you to ensure there were no misunderstandings.

need a reason lesson= insult. lol.

i didnt stick my nose into anything.. i was telling SF about rev a.

you enjoy ripping me? lol how mature.. lol ...

cant you find something else to do besides posting 24/7 and bashing me?

you said that you dont like personal jabs but you do it. (ie hypocrite and immature...)

You make it too easy, and I only bash you when it strikes me (and many others as I have seen) as funny.

Oh, and please quote me about the personal jabs and me saying I don't like them.

i make it too easy? so you are that immature and have no life that your posting 24/7 and bashing other people? lol how sad...


i am not going to search through thousands of posts to find it.. i know you mentioned that you do personal jabs but you dont want me to do it.. or hinted that.

i have a life other then this my friend to search for it... sorry.

Or you just made it up.

no.. sorry... i dont make things up... i know you said it but i dont have to search through to find it... anyway you like to bash and take jabs and post 24/7.. you are the one who says that i instigate things... i think it is you becuase i talk about the topic at hand while you divert it to bashing me.... that is in every single subject that i talk about..

anyway.. if you want to discuss the topic go ahead if you want to bash me and jab me then thats sad and i wont be apart of it..

Ok then

yep.... people who resort to bashing makes one look like one doesnt know the topic at hand... many people on here fit that....

oh well....

instead of talking about how immature you are and that you have no life by bashing people and me and posting 24/7 try to talk about the topic at hand..

the funny thing... i talk about the facts then you take personal jabs... what else is knew.. kinda like you and AL's forte.. seems almost to be one person.

run this by me again. Maybe i'm a little slow. But how is him saying he thought that person quit phone scoop a personal jab?

Context.

Shawn never said that.

that is why we will see rev a.

Ruff, seems like your stalking me (jk). If I read your link correctly, the EVDV is being scrapped because EVDO is already in use and they plan on revising the current system to effectively be like what EVDV was going to be. Is this a correct assumption?

EV-DV was designed to take EV-DO and enchance the origional 1xRTT voice system. The thing is with EV-DO's rev A lagnecy rate is so low that they are planning on just using VoIP instead and getting rid of the voice system completely eventually. This will cut the costs for the carrier drasticly because they will no longer be reliant on land lines.

Qualcomm... do they still manufacture phones? My brother had one of these... I remember it being almost impossibly thin. Poor silly brother... wandering Europe with a CDMA phone... the Europeans must have laughed long and hard at you...

I don't believe that they manufacture entire phones, but they do have proprietary technology on just about everything that you put in a phone. They've recently bought out screen manufacturers, antenna manufacturers, anything you can think of. And of course, they also make CDMA and UMTS chipsets.

Ah... so, basically, Qualcomm are the puppet master of the wireless industry. Interesting. What if they were to fall tomorrow (just speculate), what would happen to the wireless industry, I wonder...? Food for thought.

Quite simply, it would never happen.

If they did, there are thousands of other companies that still produce the components of phones to keep phone industry working smoothly. Texas Instruments produces phone chipsets, for example. The fall of Qualcomm wouldn't do much to affect the GSM side of the industry, because Qualcomm's forte is with CDMA.

But once again, it would never happen.

Yes, I know it would never happen, but it's always interesting to think about "what would happen if..."

if qualcomm or TI (texas instruments) went chapter 11 we would have to say good bye to all phones, however, as ruff said it wouldnt happen. the amount of cash flow they both generate and the huge patent portfolio and r&D spending that they have and will have in the future will prevent chapter 11.

what ifs are always nice to examine though.

Yes, it's interesting to see that we take something for acquired and never wonder what it would be if we were to lose it. I could ramble on, but this has nothing to do with Cingular, so I'll stop there. Would be a good topic to pursue in the Lounge forum, though.

Anyways, back to UMTS. I look foward to it. Why am I saying this when it has begun to be deployed? Well, up in Canada, EDGE is still in it's infant stages. And yes, this is not a joke.

yea, we can take this to the lounge or to tech but even though this has nothing to do with cingular, it does have to do with ev-do and umts becuase both qualcomm and ti helps supply chipsets to make these things possible....

whoever started this thread probably shouldnt have put it here, but its ok i guess.

yea, i like talking about this stuff it is quite interesting.

actually it has to deal with cingular becuase with out qcom and txn cingular wont get umts/hsdpa. 🙂


yea, umts/hsdpa should be fun. well canada is a bit behind in technology just like we are, united states, behind japan and asia/europe.

Here's a good laugh: I asked Fido (my former provider) about their plans for UMTS/HDPSA. Guess what, they just looked at me quizically, wondering what planet I was from. There's being late, and there's Fido. Hehe.

Well then, nextel, if you enjoy talks about the human nature, start something in Lounge and I shall catch up there!

Telus is building EV-DO as we speak. They started the build last month. Should start comming online beginning of 2006

Ahh, interesting that you bring Telus up, they are my provider. Mayhaps you know of EV-DO phones they will carry? Makes me think I should have waited instead of buying my VX-3200.

No not yet. They should start comming out next month is the rumor. I'm hopeing they bring a PDA out like the Samsung i730 myself.

Hmm... I feel safe at taking a guess that their EV-DO phone selection will be much like Verizon's. But then again, this is just some crappy prediction and I could be totally wrong.

Yes. Telus uses a very simular system to Verizon for CDMA so we tend to have simular phone with a few exceptions.

Qualcom manufactures phones under the name Kyocera

RUFF1415 said:
Well technically they're both CDMA. Although UMTS is based on the core GSM technology, it is overlayed with the coded-air interface of true CDMA, hence the interchangable term WCDMA. Both technologies will have similar voice quality, signal penetration, coverage reach, and call capacity for that reason. It's the speed of data where they differ. And that is where UMTS beats EVDO.

Not to mention, UMTS/hsdpa has better capacity.

It's true that the commodity of SIM cards gives UMTS the advantage, but then again, it's just a matter of preference. For buisness users or people who change phones frequently, then UMTS seems the better option to consider. But for those who use a phone till the day of it's death, then CDMA is viable too.

Just like I said, it's a question of preference. I prefer CDMA (which I have been using for one year now), and I have used GSM before. When I first had my phone, the quality of CDMA left me breathless. But I am not closed-mind to UMTS, on the contrary. I simply prefer to let time run, and hear feedback from people using UMTS. If I hear good things about it, then I will consider UMTS as another option when my LG VX-3200's time in this wor...
(continues)

You understand that UMTS uses 5 Mhz of bandwith were EV-DO is 1.5 Mhz. EV-DO has 3 times the capacity because of this (its slightly less than this because each channel is slightly less capacity than the UMTS 5 Mhz channel). Hsdpa is only high speed download and uses regular UMTS for upload (which is slower than EV-DO. UMTS does have better penetration into building and such which is it's main advantage over EV-DO and it's lagnicy is slightly better than EV-DO rev 0 (but loses that advantage when rev A comes out).