Sprint/nextel a marriage that could be unhappy for customers.
When Cingular and AT&T first started upgrading to GSM they introduced GAIT GSM/TDMA dual technology phones. Great idea on paper but put into action the hand off between GSM and TDMA was causing dropped calls. And you have to decide on a dual technology phone which tech is the phone going to look for first. If it looks for CDMA first you got problems if it looks for IDEN first u got problems. I have learned working for Cingular is it is tough maintain two technologies at the same time and create a good customer experience. In many ways the GSM overlay for Cingular has gone very well but from a customer experience. If u think the AT&T Cingular merger was a mess. Don't let people fool u into believing that Sprint/Nextel will be so much smoother...
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You obviously don't know anything about the Sprint-Nextel merger. There are not any plans to shut down one network and attempt a forced migration. iDEN will remain iDEN and CDMA will remain CDMA. Yes, a dual-band iDEN-CDMA phone will be made but both networks will remain. There is a Canadian carrier, Telus I believe, that operates CDMA and iDEN networks as well.
The only challenge they will have to deal with is the merging of the billing systems.
The only challenge they will have to deal with is the merging of the billing systems.
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My point is not about force migration it is about hand off and network selection.
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I don't think its a hand-off issue. On MotoNextel phones you have essentially two dealies- TDMA for voice which is one number and iDEN for PTT/DC which is a separate xx*xxxx*xxx number on your phone. They will simply make a phone that no longer has TDMA for voice... The thing I want to see is when this ****amamie is done, where will Moto and Sanyo be sitting on the fence? Moto exclusive to Nextel and Sanyo exclusive to Sprint. I know a lot of people say Nextel's new PTT solutions (QChat, etc) they are testing will be bigger and better but what if its not, what if it sucks and they're not able to get the performance necessary? That's why iDEN will be around for a long time... Continued expansion... blah blah blah....
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actually in testing qchat was very close to what nextel's curent direct connect service is now. (and we are a year or less away from rev a where qchat will be deployed on) they will def get the performance.
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That's nice. I listened to all the Cingular afficianados spouting off in this forum about their tested solution that kicks Nextel's heinie (in tests) but is still not IN the field... Its inconsequential. iDEN is a guaranteed performer, adopted by every beatnik construction company in America, every IT technician (who works for a company that can afford it), government employees, etc.
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i am not sure why this header is in this room instead of either the sprint board or sprint together with nextel forum...
regardless, in tests things might be better but when its not in the field it means nothing. i agree. iden is 100 percent a winner becuase it was based on push to talk and gsm and cdma werent.
since cingular's push to talk is based on voice channels that is not a good thing becuase what if there is an overload of capacity you probably wont be able to use the push to talk product. that is why anything over voice isnt good unless you have a lot of capacity.
time will tell but i dont think cingular will be a competitor against sprint-nextel. (well nextel's side.) i have been noticing now nextel has been advertising a...
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regardless, in tests things might be better but when its not in the field it means nothing. i agree. iden is 100 percent a winner becuase it was based on push to talk and gsm and cdma werent.
since cingular's push to talk is based on voice channels that is not a good thing becuase what if there is an overload of capacity you probably wont be able to use the push to talk product. that is why anything over voice isnt good unless you have a lot of capacity.
time will tell but i dont think cingular will be a competitor against sprint-nextel. (well nextel's side.) i have been noticing now nextel has been advertising a...
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Cingular does have a lot of capacity. over voice channels was the best decision for Cingular to get the product out this quarter and be a viable option for customers.
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Umm... Yeah they are..Just a question of when, not if.
http://www.xchangemag.com/articles/521air1.html »
http://www.supercomm2005.com/ind_news/ind_news.cfm?m ... » This one is rather optimistic on the future of iDen, but still agrees it will be shut off.
What it comes down to is the fact that Sprint isn't going to support two networks, in the long run it just doesn't make sense. Sprint will find a PTT solution for their CDMA EV-DO network, and then see no use for the iDen network any more.
TheGreatRep
http://www.xchangemag.com/articles/521air1.html »
http://www.supercomm2005.com/ind_news/ind_news.cfm?m ... » This one is rather optimistic on the future of iDen, but still agrees it will be shut off.
What it comes down to is the fact that Sprint isn't going to support two networks, in the long run it just doesn't make sense. Sprint will find a PTT solution for their CDMA EV-DO network, and then see no use for the iDen network any more.
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that push to talk solution for ev-do is Qchat that they will be using.
Yeah but if I remember correctly they don't want to shut down iDen till they get it as fast (or faster), so they don't piss everyone off.
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not sure how many times i have to say this, but they arent shutting down IDEN. IDEN will go through 2010 and qchat will be on the network in the 07- 08 timeframe. it wont upset anyone becuase it is very close to nextel's direct connect in addition it is over a better network data wise and coverage wise with sprint's cdma network. plus test results over rev a during the CTIA were truly amazing with qchat.
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telus does not offer that I-den technology... they use sasktel towers.... as there (digital) service and the have there own (analog) outside majoy cities... no where does it involve i-den
and also making phone compatible for both tenologies like the other guy said it wont work.. the handoff will not be clean
and also making phone compatible for both tenologies like the other guy said it wont work.. the handoff will not be clean
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😛 YOU APPARENTLY KNOW NOTHING I DEN WILL NOT BE AROUND FOR LONG 😲
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actually it might. it will obviously be beyond the time frame of 2010 and it could be later on but it really depends on what they want to do with the iden network. they might want to do something with the governement and for the public safety but those ideas will be determined later on to see whether or not that is economically friendly...
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WASN'T IT U WHO TOLD ME THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO GIVE IT TO THE GOVERNMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? BUT THE WILL! SPRINT'S NOT GOING TO PAY THAT MUCH MONEY TO KEEP THAT NETWORK UP AND U KNOW IT. SO JUST BECOME ONE WITH THE FACT THAT YOUR NEXTEL WONT BE AROUND FOR TO LONG. IN THE WORDS OF NEXTEL TOWERS (E911 HERE WE COME!!!!!!!!!!!! 😲 )
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i never said they were giving it to the governement.. i said it could be possibly used for goverenemnt operations and for public safety, but it would still be in nextel's control..
(by the way can you take your caps off?)
you think that nextel would just give away their towers, and spectrum to the goverenemt? lol. i dont think so. they could sell it to the goverenemnt but not give it away.
actually sprint is spending money for both iden and cdma networks. they are going to keep nextel up and running through 2010.
well, 2007 they will start to migrate over spectrum and towers to the cdma network but till then they will spend money on the iden side deploying new sites and other things.
(by the way can you take your caps off?)
you think that nextel would just give away their towers, and spectrum to the goverenemt? lol. i dont think so. they could sell it to the goverenemnt but not give it away.
actually sprint is spending money for both iden and cdma networks. they are going to keep nextel up and running through 2010.
well, 2007 they will start to migrate over spectrum and towers to the cdma network but till then they will spend money on the iden side deploying new sites and other things.
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