I am disappointed with cingular wireless for these past 3 quarters of this 2005
The reason would be that their subscriber growth has been decreasing from the first quarter to the 3rd quarter of this year 2005 and I am thinking that this will continue as Verizon wireless and sprint continues to do well quarter after quarter. (Tmobile USA is doing well too)
I am not quite sure what the exact reasons are but I think they are that 1. Their network is not that big. 2. They are losing market share to sprint and to Verizon wireless. And 3 integration problems. Perhaps there are others, but I do not know at this time.
I am hoping that with their increase in capex with tower buildings and the release of hsdpa will do something to reverse this decline in quarter subs and to steal back some of the customers that are going ...
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I am not quite sure what the exact reasons are but I think they are that 1. Their network is not that big. 2. They are losing market share to sprint and to Verizon wireless. And 3 integration problems. Perhaps there are others, but I do not know at this time.
I am hoping that with their increase in capex with tower buildings and the release of hsdpa will do something to reverse this decline in quarter subs and to steal back some of the customers that are going ...
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From a front-line sales perspective, I think that every rep is bitter at the fact that we ahve had to work double the hard to learn more policies and procedures, plans, phones, etc now that 2 companies are in the mix, just to have commissions cut down drastically. High quality reps are walking left and right.
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BluetoOrange22 said:
From a front-line sales perspective, I think that every rep is bitter at the fact that we ahve had to work double the hard to learn more policies and procedures, plans, phones, etc now that 2 companies are in the mix, just to have commissions cut down drastically. High quality reps are walking left and right.
Yeah, its all about the people. I think a lot of companies forget that.
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yea, i agree. you guys are working so hard, while cingular is cutting down your commisions. what a shame.
i hope cingular can change their ways with their subscriber declining and treating their reps. i hope they treat you guys better!!
i hope cingular can change their ways with their subscriber declining and treating their reps. i hope they treat you guys better!!
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Whether you want to face the facts or not, sales is not a position that can continue to pay high amounts without continuous increases in budgets and goals.
This isn't just Cingular, it is market economics at work.
How can you expect to make over the median income of a U.S. resident and NOT be required to have any formal education whatsoever? The top 1% of sales reps in the country significantly exceed goals AND make good cash. The rest see there incomes dwindle if they can't keep up.
Stop blaming Cingular for the nature of sales. I know plenty of reps who work for other carriers (yes, including Verizon) and in other sales industries and they deal with the SAME THING.
This isn't just Cingular, it is market economics at work.
How can you expect to make over the median income of a U.S. resident and NOT be required to have any formal education whatsoever? The top 1% of sales reps in the country significantly exceed goals AND make good cash. The rest see there incomes dwindle if they can't keep up.
Stop blaming Cingular for the nature of sales. I know plenty of reps who work for other carriers (yes, including Verizon) and in other sales industries and they deal with the SAME THING.
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Happens all the time. You can go to Vegas where a HS dropout can earn over 100K a year dealing. Or over 100K waiting tables. Or 50K Parking cars. Free food. All the while having great benefits and a job he can leave at work. No contrary to popular belief a formal education is not the key. LV has the highest drop out rate in the nation because of the job market. My daughter earns over 50K just serving drinks at Wynns. She is 23 and owns a home she bought 3 years ago. Already made over 70K in Appreciation. Went from HS. Most of her college grad friends are just looking at getting entry level jobs.
Cingular sales reps turn over more then Verizon. No doubt about that. They do not make enough money and the best ones leave the worst behind. Wh...
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Cingular sales reps turn over more then Verizon. No doubt about that. They do not make enough money and the best ones leave the worst behind. Wh...
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They require a skill.
A high school dropout can be a billionaire. ANYONE can sell if trained and they have a personality. Not everyone can deal in Vegas. That does require some skill and is not something that can be learned.
And I'll bet your daughter went through a rigorous screening process that including someone to determine if she was attractive enough to work at Wynn's. Some high school dropout ugly chick (ugly to THEM, not necessarily to us) is not going to get a 50K a year job at Wynn's and you know it.
I didn't say a formal education is THE key, I said if you can get a job w/o an education that pays more than that you are lucky.
You are also using very broad strokes there with Vegas. I was involved in the Vegas marke...
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A high school dropout can be a billionaire. ANYONE can sell if trained and they have a personality. Not everyone can deal in Vegas. That does require some skill and is not something that can be learned.
And I'll bet your daughter went through a rigorous screening process that including someone to determine if she was attractive enough to work at Wynn's. Some high school dropout ugly chick (ugly to THEM, not necessarily to us) is not going to get a 50K a year job at Wynn's and you know it.
I didn't say a formal education is THE key, I said if you can get a job w/o an education that pays more than that you are lucky.
You are also using very broad strokes there with Vegas. I was involved in the Vegas marke...
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Unless you know someone on the inside (which is how most people get their six figure jobs) then education is the only way to go. I'm a firm proponent of higher education. I don't care what you go to college for as long as you go...
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Anyone can get a degree today. An MBA is so diluted it has no meaning. BA's a re a dime a dozen. Those who enter the casino market as dealers out of HS can become Presidents. College is overrated. I would rather hire a 4 year military man then a college grad any day of the week. Theres a person who knows discipline how to work as a team and many other traits other then drinking beer,getting laid and cheating on tests.
There aren't many colleges out there where education is worth anything. Maybe for football players. Id rather my kids join the Military.
Unless they want to become a professional with a Doctorate degree. Then that have great opportunity. There plenty of BA types working for $10 an hour or less. And it does not take a co...
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There aren't many colleges out there where education is worth anything. Maybe for football players. Id rather my kids join the Military.
Unless they want to become a professional with a Doctorate degree. Then that have great opportunity. There plenty of BA types working for $10 an hour or less. And it does not take a co...
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TenMidgits said:
There aren't many colleges out there where education is worth anything. Maybe for football players. Id rather my kids join the Military.
Unless they want to become a professional with a Doctorate degree. Then that have great opportunity. There plenty of BA types working for $10 an hour or less. And it does not take a college education to sell Wireless. In fact with the turnover they will take anyone who has a pulse apparently because I certainly do not see a lot of formal education in my dealings with them or those here for that matter.
Trust me, you don' want your kids joinin' the military right now. Unless you like the idea o' dem' gettin' shippped straight to Iraq. One o' my neighbors...
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SystemShock said:...TenMidgits said:
There aren't many colleges out there where education is worth anything. Maybe for football players. Id rather my kids join the Military.
Unless they want to become a professional with a Doctorate degree. Then that have great opportunity. There plenty of BA types working for $10 an hour or less. And it does not take a college education to sell Wireless. In fact with the turnover they will take anyone who has a pulse apparently because I certainly do not see a lot of formal education in my dealings with them or those here for that matter.
Trust me, you don' want your kids joinin' the military right now. Unless you like the idea o' dem' gettin' shippped
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The Shiites and Kurds probably do love us (since they wuz repressed under Saddam), but I bet the Sunnis all hate us.
Anyways, I hope nuthin' bad happens to your nephew. It is rough over there, no doubt.
Anyways, I hope nuthin' bad happens to your nephew. It is rough over there, no doubt.
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So you're saying I'm just wasting my time paying 30k+ a year for the private college I go to? That I should just move to Vegas and make a great living there?
A lot of people go to college because they feel they have to. They take their required courses, graduate, and put their names on the career center list for any job openings that come up. That's not the way to do it if you truly want to make the most out of what you do.
Hire someone in the military over a 4-year degree? That's pretty ignorant of you. And that's right away labeling college students as incompetent. How often do you hear military personel becoming CEOs of corporations?
A lot of people go to college because they feel they have to. They take their required courses, graduate, and put their names on the career center list for any job openings that come up. That's not the way to do it if you truly want to make the most out of what you do.
Hire someone in the military over a 4-year degree? That's pretty ignorant of you. And that's right away labeling college students as incompetent. How often do you hear military personel becoming CEOs of corporations?
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nextel18 said:
1. Their network is not that big.
I am so incredibly sick of seeing you repeat this over and over again. It wouldn't bother me aside from the fact that IT ISN'T TRUE!
Cingular owns the largest native network of any company in North America. Larger than Verizon's, larger than Sprint's, larger than any Canadian carrier, and definitely larger than T-Mobile's.
The thing that gets me is that you already know this, yet decide to ignore it. I've already made it clear to you that Cingular is the only company that covers all 100 of the top 100 markets. I've already established the fact that Cingular has 45,000+ towers in service, all of which are GSM capable. So tell me exactly...
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Unbelieveable, you still refuse to answer my comment/question.
It is called a pullback in marketing!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you want to concentrate on making things great (i.e. customer service, sales channels) after a big merger and your resources are NOT unlimited you make choices. Lose money but make all things good or pullback in marketing and concentrate on fixing issues.
Cingular is not the first company to do this (and most come back stronger which is the goal) nor will they be the last. Smart businesses around the globe have used this tried and true method.
Why does it escape you?
It is called a pullback in marketing!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you want to concentrate on making things great (i.e. customer service, sales channels) after a big merger and your resources are NOT unlimited you make choices. Lose money but make all things good or pullback in marketing and concentrate on fixing issues.
Cingular is not the first company to do this (and most come back stronger which is the goal) nor will they be the last. Smart businesses around the globe have used this tried and true method.
Why does it escape you?
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Tex, don't bust an artery on this guy.
Ever seen crankyankers?
This guys is Ed.
Ever seen crankyankers?
This guys is Ed.
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Just stating facts so others can see the BS. I am amazed when I see people (mainly new ones) who give this guy props for his "good post" because they don't know any better.
I do occasionally get into an argument with HIM rather than just pointing out the false facts. I just have to take a deep breath and remember he is only a kid.
I do occasionally get into an argument with HIM rather than just pointing out the false facts. I just have to take a deep breath and remember he is only a kid.
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texaswireless said:
Just stating facts so others can see the BS. I am amazed when I see people (mainly new ones) who give this guy props for his "good post" because they don't know any better.
I do occasionally get into an argument with HIM rather than just pointing out the false facts. I just have to take a deep breath and remember he is only a kid.
And you are a seasoned adult selling wireless phones which rate somwhere near used car sales according to the American Public.. You should be very proud indeed. That young boy has a future, You have hope. Not bad. But I'd rather be him.
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texaswireless said:
Unbelieveable, you still refuse to answer my comment/question.
It is called a pullback in marketing!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you want to concentrate on making things great (i.e. customer service, sales channels) after a big merger and your resources are NOT unlimited you make choices. Lose money but make all things good or pullback in marketing and concentrate on fixing issues.
Cingular is not the first company to do this (and most come back stronger which is the goal) nor will they be the last. Smart businesses around the globe have used this tried and true method.
Why does it escape you?
Name a company that is leading the market after your theory of "pullback marketing" Or "We mea...
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I don't know if I buy the whole "we meant to lose to Verizon that bad" theory anyway.
Sounds more like things didn't go as well as they thought they would, now they're re-trenching.
Sounds more like things didn't go as well as they thought they would, now they're re-trenching.
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SystemShock said:
I don't know if I buy the whole "we meant to lose to Verizon that bad" theory anyway.
Sounds more like things didn't go as well as they thought they would, now they're re-trenching.
Yeah they are re trenching. Hopefully the hole will be big enough this time to jump in ti.
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LOL. That's mean.
I shouldn't be replyin' to ya though, bro. Camel will come in all crazy-eyed, sayin' I'm you.
A'course I'm also Phonebabe and Jake and six other guys besides, accordin' to him. Hell, I'm everybody on this forum. 😁
I shouldn't be replyin' to ya though, bro. Camel will come in all crazy-eyed, sayin' I'm you.
A'course I'm also Phonebabe and Jake and six other guys besides, accordin' to him. Hell, I'm everybody on this forum. 😁
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Ok,
Airtouch, GTE and Verizon have all done it. They got their **** together after their merger then exploded.
Airtouch, GTE and Verizon have all done it. They got their **** together after their merger then exploded.
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texaswireless said:
Ok,
Airtouch, GTE and Verizon have all done it. They got their **** together after their merger then exploded.
And you think Cingular will ever be as succesful as Verizon? The water must be spiked down there in TExas.
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It sure seems to me like Cingular is doing it's best to tighten up the ship, as TW says. I've received repeated emails over the last few months about new towers going up across S. Carolina, giving us coverage in previously uncovered areas. I've seen an increase in the deposit amounts, which, while I dont like it because it reduces our overall postpaid numbers, I know that it helps reduce churn. And bottom line is about keeping customers, not just blindly adding them as fast as we can. And I know that Cingular has increased it's marketing of pre-paid services. Our numbers this year are this: postpaid is down around 20% for the entire year, while prepaid is up nearly 150% for the year. And I know it's not just my store failing to perfor...
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It sure seems to me like Cingular is doing it's best to tighten up the ship, as TW says. I've received repeated emails over the last few months about new towers going up across S. Carolina, giving us coverage in previously uncovered areas. I've seen an increase in the deposit amounts, which, while I dont like it because it reduces our overall postpaid numbers, I know that it helps reduce churn. And bottom line is about keeping customers, not just blindly adding them as fast as we can. And I know that Cingular has increased it's marketing of pre-paid services. Our numbers this year are this: postpaid is down around 20% for the entire year, while prepaid is up nearly 150% for the year. And I know it's n
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