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Get ready for PTT

AshDizzle

Nov 8, 2005, 1:19 PM
November 11th people. Day of days. It's going to be known as PTT-day. They'll make video games of it called Phone of Honor and Call of Kodiak. It will be a national holiday.

I saw the LG 7200 demonstration for the second time in a Tucson corporate store this weekend. It sounded beautiful.

Agents remember: The only way for PTT to be successful is if we PUSH it! Tell every potential customer about it, throw them into push-to-talk. All family plans should have them. PTT on other networks fails because they have no customers that use it. We MUST change that. Put your PTT signage on and tell all your customers about it.
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nextel18

Nov 8, 2005, 1:22 PM
Wooohooo. Lets hope this improves the decline in subscriber growth that cingular has been experiencing. I don’t think so though. (i think umts/hsdpa might though)
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SForsyth01

Nov 8, 2005, 1:44 PM
UMTS/HSDPA will change that as well as the 2 new RAZR phones coming to Cingular. I am sure they will market the V3i (and the v3x when it comes out) more heavily than they have marketed anything since the merger.
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nextel18

Nov 8, 2005, 1:47 PM
again, you cant say it will. we are all guessing. we cant assume that they will do well becuase of push to talk and umts/hsdpa as well as the razr phones. cingular came out with the razr phone and their subscriber growth has been declining. that means that any new product might not do well based on what is happening.

so dont say it will becuase you have no idea. πŸ™‚
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SForsyth01

Nov 8, 2005, 1:53 PM
Cingular came out with the RAZR and they beat Verizon in net ads that quarter. πŸ™„

I can tell you that in my market, there are many people that I speak with that have Verizon and are planning on leaving as soon as their contract is up and going to Cingular. I, personally, will keep my Verizon service until Cingular becomes more competitive with their data plans.

UMTS/HSDPA combined with the new RAZR phones (assuming strong marketing of the RAZR phones) will draw people to Cingular. That is fact. How many has yet to be seen.
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nextel18

Nov 8, 2005, 1:55 PM
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Cingular came out with the RAZR and they beat Verizon in net ads that quarter
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provide links and language to support your fact. (anyway their subscriber growth has been declining. so perhaps the hype over the razr is over)

it doesnt matter in your market.. it matters nationwide...

"UMTS/HSDPA combined with the new RAZR phones (assuming strong marketing of the RAZR phones) will draw people to Cingular. That is fact. How many has yet to be seen. "

hmm.. you say assuming and a fact.. pretty interesting... kinda contradicting yourself a bit...

again, you cant say that it will becuase u have no idea what-so-ever. none of us knows until it has been released on a nationwide roll out and we will see what happens in 1-4 quart...
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SForsyth01

Nov 8, 2005, 2:09 PM
http://cingular.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=press_rele ... »

Shows that Cingular released the Motorola RAZR V3 in November of 2004.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.pl?A ... »

Shows that Cingular added 1.8 million customers in the 4th quarter of 2004.

http://investor.verizon.com/news/20050127/20050127.pdf »

That PDF, slide 11, shows that Verizon added 1.7 million customers in the 4th quarter of 2004.

Thus, the quarter that Cingular brought out the RAZR, they topped Verizon in net ads, as I originally said.

Are you done yet?
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nextel18

Nov 8, 2005, 2:14 PM
am i done yet? becuase you proved one thing you said lol says are you done yet? hahah.

what about that in quarter 4 of 2004 they added att wireless' subscriber growth towards cingular's? what about what were the actual sales of the razr v3 tht the 1.8 million subscribers got? you have no indication, unless documented, that they got 1.8 million customers who got the razr v3..

unless you can provide for me evidence to support yoru claim that becuase of they got the razr that they got 1.8 million customers to get the razr.. in addition to what part of that 1.8 million belonged to att wireless and what belonged to cingular...

until then you havnt really proved anything.. besides that verizon got more ads then cingular.

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CamelTowing

Nov 8, 2005, 2:34 PM
nextel18 said:
am i done yet? becuase you proved one thing you said lol says are you done yet? hahah.

what about that in quarter 4 of 2004 they added att wireless' subscriber growth towards cingular's? what about what were the actual sales of the razr v3 tht the 1.8 million subscribers got? you have no indication, unless documented, that they got 1.8 million customers who got the razr v3..

unless you can provide for me evidence to support yoru claim that becuase of they got the razr that they got 1.8 million customers to get the razr.. in addition to what part of that 1.8 million belonged to att wireless and what belonged to cingular...

until then you havnt really proved anything.. besides that verizon got more
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nextel18

Nov 8, 2005, 2:42 PM
i was asking him to do that. (not sure why you are bringing sprint involved in a discussion about cingular)

he mentioned a fact and i am trying to see if he can back it up.. not a big deal.. if i would have said that then i would prove it, however, i didnt mention it.. he did...

aww.. of course.. they say a fact they must prove it.. if they cant prove it then their opinion isnt sound and rational.. not sure if you like to think, but i do.
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SForsyth01

Nov 8, 2005, 2:57 PM
nextel18 said:
not sure if you like to think, but i do.


You sure prove that very often too. πŸ™„
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nextel18

Nov 8, 2005, 3:01 PM
another stupid and worthless statement..

all i am asking you is to prove what you have been saying.. that is all.. i know that you tend to get defensive when you dont really answer the question or questions at hand.. then you attack me by saying this stupid and worthless statement as well as saying that i am another member of this forum or that foolishness that you said..

i understand you now.. you basically say worthless things becuase you dont have any input on that subject..
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SForsyth01

Nov 8, 2005, 3:07 PM
nextel18 said:
another stupid and worthless statement..


Insults, now.....Wasn't it you that said to me, long ago, that insults only prove that you are wrong in the argument and you can't back your claim up???? Wasn't it you that said that insults mean you lose the argument???? No, I guess that had to be someone else. πŸ™„

I proved everything you asked me to prove. I offerred explanations. That was not good enough for you. I am done. It isn't my fault that you can't understand simple english enough to understand a point that someone has made over and over again.
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nextel18

Nov 8, 2005, 3:11 PM
lol insults now? you have been insulting me for ever lol..

it wasnt an insult by the way.. i was just indicating that the statement was worthless and stupid.. it wasnt an insult TO YOU.

i have no claim to back up, but you do.

you are done? lol aww. giving up already... a quiter.. aww.

i am continuing to ask you about the declining of subscriber growth right after quarter 4 to quarter 3 of 2005. can you explain that or are you done? lol.
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SForsyth01

Nov 8, 2005, 3:13 PM
Calling a statement I make worthless and stupid is a DIRECT insult on me. I don't know who taught you etiquette, but you need a refresher course.

https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »

Answered several posts ago. How many times do I have to post the same link before you read the ENTIRE post?
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nextel18

Nov 8, 2005, 3:17 PM
well if the first few statements are worthless idont read the whole post...

by the way, you have been insulting my intellegence what is that? lol... dude dont be a crybaby. you have been doing the same thing to me and i am not crying about it.
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nextel18

Nov 8, 2005, 3:24 PM
your split personalities are very interesting...

one min you like me and respect me one min you hate me and dislike me.. it is quite funny.


perhaps you spend too much of your time on here... lol.

ahhaha 🀣

you get frustrated very easily i have been noticing... lol..
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nic_grenada

Nov 8, 2005, 8:55 PM
why would anyone that has verizon/sprint/tmobile be in this forum anyway?

is there a reason why they have to come in here and post comparisons between "their" company and Cingular?

Can any carrier beat this price?
450 daytime minutes with rollover $39.99
7 p.m. nights/ weekends $7.00
Free mobile to mobile $0.00
Service "off" the interstate $0.00

Just wondering....
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SForsyth01

Nov 8, 2005, 2:37 PM
It is really impossible to talk to you. I give you what you ask for and that isn't good enough. You asked for proof that Cingular beat Verizon in net ads in the quarter that they brought out the RAZR. I provided that. Now you aren't happy with getting what you asked for. πŸ™„

AT&T wireless was LOSING customers going into the merger. Their net ads were NEGATIVE in the quarters leading to the merger.

http://www.wirelessweek.com/article/CA521848.html »

Shows a net loss in the first quarter of 2004.

And I was not saying that all of the customers BOUGHT the RAZR. I am saying that the advertising of the RAZR brought the people into the store to see it and then they bought a phone that they could afford. But I wouldn't expe...
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nextel18

Nov 8, 2005, 2:48 PM
you proved that cingular beat out verizon in that quarter, but my question was really about how many subscribers got the razr v3..

you are saying that 1.8 million subscribers, bought a razr v3 phone in that quarter? if yes, please post facts.. that is what i am asking about.. not really about if cingular beat out verizon becuase you proved that.. perhaps you should read more into my replies back to you...

again, you didnt adress the recent decline of subscriber growth even though the razr is on the marketplace..

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with your post on https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php ?fm=m&ff=4&fi=428504 also in https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php ?fm=m&ff=4&fi=428483 you are implying that becuase of the razr cingular got ...
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SForsyth01

Nov 8, 2005, 3:00 PM
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »

Maybe you should read that again....slowly....and, I know this one is going to be hard for you, but try and comprehend it this time.

I never said that there were 1.8MM people that bought the RAZR. I said that the marketing that Cingular used on the RAZR brought people into the store just to see it, and then they bought whatever phone that they could afford since most, at that time, could not afford the RAZR.

Did ya get it that time????
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nextel18

Nov 8, 2005, 3:05 PM
but in the other posts you have been implying that becuase of the razr they got 1.8 million subscribers. meaning that they got 1.8 million subs on the razr.. which i was questioning you at...

since now you are saying that they didnt then that is good becuase you are foolish to assume and think that..

change things very quickly..

all i was asking was about the razr..

by the way, how come you not answering my other question? why all of a sudden the decline after the 4th quarter of 2004 when the razr is already out in the marketplace? was the hype all gone becuase people didnt like the razr anymore?

did you get it this time? statements like that prove that you are stupid. πŸ™‚
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SForsyth01

Nov 8, 2005, 3:11 PM
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »

Read the end of that post now. It explains the answer to the decline in subscriber growth as well. You obviously have yet to read the whole thing. Or at least comprehend the whole thing. πŸ™„ How many times do I have to post the same link for you to actually comprehend the ENTIRE post?

And I never implied that 1.8MM customers bought the RAZR. That was simply you reading into my statements. I made a statement. You added your own little twist to it and turned it around to say that my quote was 1.8MM people bought the RAZR when I never said that. πŸ™„ What I said was the release of the RAZR aided Cingular in achieving better quarterly net ads than Verizon i...
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nextel18

Nov 8, 2005, 3:15 PM
well i only read the first few sentences of your statements.. and if they are stupid and worthless like most of them are i dont read the rest...

so you are blaming the decline in sub growth becuase the razr isnt as popular as it once was? in addition, you are saying becuase of the decline in spending in marketing to spend more in network was the decline also in sub growth?

since you are saying facts, please support these with links to back it up...

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i thought if you spend more money on your network you would gain more subscribers becuase the coverage would be better?

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lets hear your explanation and links to back up your statements regarding 1. the decline was due to less spending in marketing but more in capex and...
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SForsyth01

Nov 8, 2005, 3:43 PM
I'm done. You obviously can't take the time to read my posts, as you have said, so I'm not reading any further than the 3rd line in this post and seeing that you still can't comprehend english. I am done. I hope you shrivel up and retract yourself into whatever hole you crawled out of because your utter lack of respect coupled with your complete and utter stupidity is absolutely appalling.
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nextel18

Nov 8, 2005, 3:46 PM
here we go....

(you didnt answer any of my recent questions i just asked you)

and you say all of "seeing that you still can't comprehend english. I am done. I hope you shrivel up and retract yourself into whatever hole you crawled out of because your utter lack of respect coupled with your complete and utter stupidity is absolutely appalling."

shows how frustrating you get when you dont feel like answering a set of new questions or perhaps you cant or cant prove anything that you have stated...

respect? hahah.. what about what you just said? nice respect from you..

by the way, i have been giving you plenty of opportunities to answer my questions but you havent on my last post... you mentioned facts i said back it up.. you ca...
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SForsyth01

Nov 8, 2005, 4:19 PM
I have answered your F-ing questions. It isn't my fault you have trouble reading.
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texaswireless

Nov 8, 2005, 7:27 PM
Anyone else picture the the troll guarding the bridge in Monty Python and the Holy Grail?
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dca

Nov 8, 2005, 1:30 PM
Cingy would have to get a hold of a good couple of commercial accounts from Nextel. You know, steel them away, wait till their contracts are about ready to expire and contact them saying how great your new PTT solution is vs Nextel. Well, you wouldn't be able to get the government away from 'em and probably not the construction companies and it's doubtful even the IT companies but there is still a lot of market out there.
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nextel18

Nov 8, 2005, 1:35 PM
yea, i dont think they can steal some commercial clients or any of nextel's clients cept perhaps consumers, which boost mobile has done a pretty nice job on.

if sprint and verizon couldnt, cingular cant either.

i think cingular has to focus on regular consumers.. not sure if businesses, governement, construction and others who demand immediate ptt wont go to cingular becuase its not immediate like nextel's.

time will tell.

i am interested to see the marketing blitz cingy will have..
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dca

Nov 8, 2005, 1:38 PM
I am interested to see if all the people they say might buy into it affects their ARPU.
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nextel18

Nov 8, 2005, 1:43 PM
yea, that is an interesting thing to look at as well. it is also interesting to see about how many people sign onto cingular's data services becuase of push to talk. in addition to churn...

should be interesting...

my personal view is that i think that this is a waste of roll out for cingular... i think they should focus more on their roll out of hsdpa/umts and their coverage..

remember, kodiak is over voice so if there are problems on the voice channels on the towers, push to talk will face tons of problems. it will also face tons of problems throughout this integration situation...

we will see.. πŸ™‚
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simplymarcus

Nov 8, 2005, 4:23 PM
PTT is ntoa waste of Cingular's time unless it does not work. It would do too much damage to Cingular in the eyes of high ARPU business customers and consumers. If it works it will give cingular a nice jumpstart. I found out I cannot post on this site anymore. Peace out
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texaswireless

Nov 8, 2005, 7:38 PM
nextel18 said:
remember, kodiak is over voice so if there are problems on the voice channels on the towers, push to talk will face tons of problems. it will also face tons of problems throughout this integration situation...

we will see.. πŸ™‚


So to flip in back on you (just as you did to Sean) why don't you provide links and proof for your statement.

Why don't you provide a link for us to show proof and whatnot that these problems you imagine are integration issues?
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dslay04

Nov 8, 2005, 1:53 PM
My question is since all Kodiak is is software and runs through voice, will they install the PTT software on other phones. The initial PTT phones are not attractive at all. It wouldnt b that hard, all almost all of a phone manufacturer use the same or a similar OS for their whole line. For example motorola uses almost the same OS for their V series phones. And the PocketPC phones wouldnt b a problem because its a very widely used platform
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nextel18

Nov 8, 2005, 2:04 PM
"The initial PTT phones are not attractive at "

i agree.

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some information...

http://www.kodiaknetworks.com/solutions/RTXDS.pdf »

Implementation Simplicity – Using standard IP interfaces, the RTX is a rack-mounted, EIA-standard chassis
that can be easily integrated into the existing network in just hours. This aids in network planning, saves
engineering time, and contributes to more on-time system implementations.

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http://www.kodiaknetworks.com/solutions/KodiakOvervi ... »

Handset Software
Handsets are a key element in providing advanced voice services and taking full advantage of the Kodiak RTX
platform. As a result, Kodiak Networks has worked closely with global handset manufacturers to integrate the...
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CamelTowing

Nov 8, 2005, 2:35 PM
nextel18 said:
"The initial PTT phones are not attractive at "

i agree.

As if there were such thing as an "attractive" Nextel phone. πŸ™„
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nextel18

Nov 8, 2005, 2:43 PM
again bringing up a nextel phone in a cingular forum... pathetic...

i wasnt talking about a nextel phone here...

i know that you and SF cant give any input to anything so you guys say stupid statements...

perhaps you are him? lol.
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smd

Nov 8, 2005, 8:31 PM
You are pathetic, you are quite obviously comparing Cingular to Nextel. Why not compare cingular's ptt phones to nextel?
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Phonebabe69

Nov 8, 2005, 5:49 PM
All in all I would rather my phone just ring. PTT is great for consturction workers and those who need to talk to groups. But for the individual I do not see the allure. Especially if one has to give up full featured phones for the PTT phones.
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dslay04

Nov 8, 2005, 9:53 PM
i agree thats why i say that they just install the software on the user's existing phone when they sign up for ptt. Imagine buying the new HTC and finding out that you cant do PTT w/ it. Cingular gotta be smarter than that.
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Phonebabe69

Nov 9, 2005, 9:03 AM
dslay04 said:
i agree thats why i say that they just install the software on the user's existing phone when they sign up for ptt. Imagine buying the new HTC and finding out that you cant do PTT w/ it. Cingular gotta be smarter than that.

Well I am of the opposite opinion. I do not want or need PTT and I would rather they do not load my phone nor pay extra for useless SW mucking up the works. I don't see where PTT is any big deal. People that absolutely need it already have it.

Can't imagine being in public places with all these Two way very public conversations going on. It's bad enough to have to hear one side of a conversation constantly. There is no discretion any more with phone conversations.
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gizzo fizzone

Nov 8, 2005, 8:20 PM
while i havent got the samsung for my cou our store has two live lg 7200 ptt's that me and my co-worker are usin. the clarity and volume is real good. the clarity is much better than nextels in my opinion. the connection time is of course a down side but a 5 sec average connection time isnt as bad as it sounds. and once its connected you cant notice any latency difference with a nextel. the way its set up is kinda like you instant message buddy list. when you login initially login to the ptt feature you are propted to create a user name which is sent to others when you send them an invite to your ptt contact list. also adding contacts can be done by going through your phone book and hitting options and going to add to ptt group. the covertin...
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gizzo fizzone

Nov 8, 2005, 8:21 PM
while i havent got the samsung for my cou our store has two live lg 7200 ptt's that me and my co-worker are usin. the clarity and volume is real good. the clarity is much better than nextels in my opinion. the connection time is of course a down side but a 5 sec average connection time isnt as bad as it sounds. and once its connected you cant notice any latency difference with a nextel. the way its set up is kinda like you instant message buddy list. when you login initially login to the ptt feature you are propted to create a user name which is sent to others when you send them an invite to your ptt contact list. also adding contacts can be done by going through your phone book and hitting options and going to add to ptt group. the covertin...
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elisjourney

Nov 9, 2005, 9:09 AM
I don't think its going to be quite as big as you are hoping, sorry man. With only a whopping 2 phones to choose from and no compatibility with any of our other phones our customers are currently using, I doubt seriously we'll have many new additions because of PTT at this point. ☹️
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Phonebabe69

Nov 9, 2005, 9:19 AM
elisjourney said:
I don't think its going to be quite as big as you are hoping, sorry man. With only a whopping 2 phones to choose from and no compatibility with any of our other phones our customers are currently using, I doubt seriously we'll have many new additions because of PTT at this point. ☹️

Imagine getting Xerox's entire national technical force though. There are plenty of business and contractor accounts that can be courted. You guys are comparing this feature to MP3 Players and Cameras. I do not think Cingular is looking at PTT quite as another toy for tots.
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elisjourney

Nov 9, 2005, 9:24 AM
Actually the post I was responding to mentioned something about selling PTT to customers with Family Talk. Trying to sell our new PTT to Family Talk customers would be a waste of time since kids would not be satisfied having a walkie talkie which none of their friends could even communicate with and no camera/mp3 action either. ☹️
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mwawa

Nov 9, 2005, 7:59 PM
is the ptt still scheduled for release this week or next week
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